The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:34 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:23 am Jay looks civ, tinfoil aside. He is playing the same as in FE. I mean I am open for a tinfoil but at this point I'm not sure if the risk is worth it. Maybe later after we actually lynch baddies. Mac is decent, albeit less obvious civ than Jay. But what I said about Jay applies to him.

I like Kyle in this game. Juliets I like somewhat less. I don't remember who said that but shes mostly making easy points and stuff that is easy to agree with. Can very easily be civ, but also easy for a bad to make. I haven't liked wolbre's guts since the start and I think his pursue of INH is forced. Could see myself voting there if we don't lynch an inactive. Ok scratch that I have someone I wanna lynch other than Marmot.

Did I already run out of active players? Well the others are interchangeable. There is some big tinfoiling about INH since he actually bothered to show up which could suggest team coaching, but then again, he is an inactive who came back. A mislynch of him is worse than a mislynch of say, Dom. The problem is that by picking one now we are basically gambling the game. Then again the town is so fucked that gambling may not be a bad idea.

DDL. There is a lot of content here about players who are still alive. Do you still hate Wolbre?

4 pages behind but yeah I'm still hating wolbre.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:40 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 2:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:04 pm [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

A voice in my soul just told me to vote for him.

Ok how do I even defend against that

Exorcism?

I don't need or care about defense. Find the bad guys and the rest will work itself out.

Tbh that post was in jest. I don't usually defend myself against posts like that because it's impossible.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 10:04 pm [VOTE: Dragon D. Luffy] aubergine

A voice in my soul just told me to vote for him.

Ok how do I even defend against that

Exorcism?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 7:51 pm I understand why I am in this position though. There's no reason to trust me at all beyond vague shit like "tone", and I wouldn't figure anyone would care about that in my case specifically under these conditions.

So the people who are giving me a pass are hard to take seriously. Long Con, DDL, and Mac have not wavered in their trust of me despite my continued pants-on-head failure in this game. I'd figure on two evil-doers in that group at this point.

I dunno mean I just don't see it.

Its not really trust, it's just that.... you feel like civ Jay from the last few games (specifically FE). So sure I could be wrong but it's still less likely than everyone else. You are bossy and confident and trying to micromanage everything. At some points I've felt mad at you because you came accross as arrogant for how you were turning down other's peoples accusations and disagreements at you. But I think 2018 Jay is just different from how you used to be when I first started playing with you. There are posts you made in this game you would have never made in 2015. You used to be more agreeable. I remember coming into the Syndicate and feeling really welcome because I could call you and Sloonei and others bad and be met with "this is a perfectly valid point, what would you like me to elaborate on" and now if I call you bad I'm more likely to get "I don't care" or something like that. You just have a lower patience for people in general now.

But I'm already beyond the point of understanding that when it comes to seeing your meta. You changed. And I already lynched you for that once, in FE. I'm not repeating this mistake.

And the point about town losing badly having to mean our leaders are crooked... I just don't see it. Maybe you are unused to seeing mafia stomp the civs this hard but in my other site it happens... all the time. I'd wager every 3 or 4 baddie wins there is a perfect win, except for maybe a succesful vig. And all those wins happen with civ leaders like you who are good at leading the town and good at solving the game and they just fail. In part because there is a lot of inactivity among the civs which they can't deal with, in part because the mafia is just plain good. So I'm not really impressed by this, to me it's just thursday. We didn't manage to galvanize ourselves and get into a state where we are solving the game, so we never did.

Like, I know there is this house of cards effect when it comes to baddies getting lynched, but there is also a similar effect to civs getting lynched. Polls become harder to win. PoE becomes unviable. And after 3 or 4 lynches the baddies can just control the polls with little problem. So I don't really accept this logic that such a bad game means the town leaders are bad all along. The town leaders can be good and completely missing the mark. It happens.

Ok bad news is that I'm seven pages behind. Good news is that I went to Ozzy Osbourne live in São Paulo yesterday and it was just amazing. I'll catch up and post as I go.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:47 pm Haha wolbre my boy, there are four mafia members so you’re going to need some more.

JJJ
Penny
Nova
Marmot

There's my GTH scum team

How come you spend half the game tunneling on INH then exclude him from a 4 person scum list at the endgame?

How does that even work?

Teammates?

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:38 am Has anyone besides nova considered that the 'town leaders' have helped led or vote on wagons to lynch 5 townies consecutively

Names, please.

It was amazing.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:50 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:48 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:34 pm so apparently DDL has been here this whole time not saying anything

Not really tbh I was eating ice cream with my sister, grabbed my phone to look at the game, saw the votes on Dom abd jumped in to help since I wanted to keep up with the vote on block thing.

what kind of iced cream was it

Fragola and tiramisu.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:34 pm so apparently DDL has been here this whole time not saying anything

Not really tbh I was eating ice cream with my sister, grabbed my phone to look at the game, saw the votes on Dom abd jumped in to help since I wanted to keep up with the vote on block thing.

He has been a loose cannon since the start. Not like Marmot is not a loose cannon, but I feel like civ marmot tends to be actually trying to solve the game. I can usually feel when he is a civ, I'm not feeling anything here.

Guys what is your take on Marmot?

I mean I can see myself voting for wolbre I just don't like the sound of what will happen if he flips civ and we let the inactives live for another cycle.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:20 pm What is the consensus on Wolbre ?

I think his tunneling on INH looks like shit and I'm still not over that smiley thing of day 1.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:04 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:03 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:01 pm nova call me when you can make a vote on me that is not OMGUS. Literally every time I accuse you of anything you reply with "no u".

Ok

Been after you since D1 but giving you some benefit of the doubt. But my vote on you is an OMGUS

Alright.

Do you have any post of mine you want me to address?

Not so 1 post in particular, but your whole approach to the Avito/Nova(me lol) situation. That's the origin of why I'm uneasy with you, and your play today frankly isn't helping. I haven't played much with you, but I would be really disappointed if a Town DDL, after failing to catch Mafia for 4 phases, would resign to just picking randomly between low-posters and lynching one of them. That doesn't sit right me. Same with MacDougall.

I don't know about Juliet. About JJJ, I'm giving him a pass, since I very much liked his entrance this day phase, analysis and push on INH. He got lost in the way, but giving him the benefit of the doubt, for now.

You come here and vote for Avito right off the bat. Except no one here knows Avito, so no one knows he is one of the biggest low hanging fruits in mafia. You stay on it and manage to amass a wagon of 3 votes. Then the wagon fizzles out and you go "welp, that's life let's join the current biggest wagon". It is possible for a civ to do that, but it's also suspicious because:

1- You and Avito could both be bad (I mean at that time, don't quote me saying Avito was a civ) and you were coasting on a joke vote in a site where nobody gets the joke before jumping off it.
2- You could be bad trying to take advantage of a low hanging fruit, and when it didn't work, you went off to save some other baddie (LC, wolbre...) from a lynch. Or just to be on a wagon.

You also took offense over the fact that I agreed with you on your meta read of Avito, but

3- It is also possible that you were a civ and Avito were bad, and I lwant to look at possibilities in isolation.

As for the inactive thing, I'm being strategical here. We have some evidence that mafia may have missed actions. We are in a site that has never modkilled inactives since its inception, so the only way Pennywise or Dom (or you/INH if you didn't come back) can leave this game is by being lynched. If you consider they are not in the game, then we have 5-4-1 players. If we lynch one of them and mafia kills an active, we are at 4-4-1 players tomorrow. If we lynch an active and mafia kills another, we are at 3-4-1 tomorrow. You might as well call it a day if that happens.

Unless, that is, we can build a case on someone that is so good we can make sure they flip bad (which we have tried 4 times already). But even if we succeed, we still have to deal with inactives in the following phases. It's a problem that will never go away. I repeat: I've been here for 3 years and never seen a modkill on an inactive before.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:03 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:01 pm nova call me when you can make a vote on me that is not OMGUS. Literally every time I accuse you of anything you reply with "no u".

Ok

Been after you since D1 but giving you some benefit of the doubt. But my vote on you is an OMGUS

Alright.

Do you have any post of mine you want me to address?

nova call me when you can make a vote on me that is not OMGUS. Literally every time I accuse you of anything you reply with "no u".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:58 pm To be fair though nova has 59 posts. I don’t consider him inactive.

Well not anymore. When he disappeared with no explanation during the last day, he became one.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:54 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:48 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:42 pm Fyi, Town must lynch correctly today or we loose majority.

Yes Kyle and JJ brought that up earlier. It would be helpful if you could tell us where you have been - you have not posted in days even though you've been online. And who do you want to vote and why?

idt this is actually lylo, technically speaking we get one more chance on day 6 even if we fail to lynch mafia today.

Also this. We still have some margin before Day 6. A margin that is wider if a possible Day 5 mislynch is not on a player who is adding vote power to town.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:52 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:45 pm how confident are we that there's a vampire in the empties

If by empties you mean just Penny and Dom, 56%

If it's Penny, Dom, and both nova and INH, 80%

Yeah sure. The dream-team of 4 inactives is about to sweep this Town

Or two actives and two inactives.

Or one active and three inactives.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:50 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:45 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:43 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:41 pm What is the case against me, if I may ask ?

The same against Pennywise, Dom and INH. Prolongued inactivity.

So that's the case you're going with in the last lynch before loosing majority ? What about a case on my posts, and my interactions? Do you have any intention of solving the game?

Yes.

We talked about it, while you were not around, and some of us thought we can't win the game with 4 inactives, no matter how good we are at solving the game.

I have been inactive for just the last cycle and I have my reasons. You're hosting a game on NF that I'm playing, and I'm also inactive there. I was active before that.

> we can't win the game with 4 inactives, no matter how good we are at solving the game.

This is a bunch of bullshit. This isn't the mindset of someone trying to win the game, or solving it. So what, a few people are inactive ? Just lynch and pray amongst them? And maybe we'll get a baddie? Is that a viable strategy when we have no more room for any mistake?

Because even if we lynch mafia among the actives, mafia can kill more actives, and they will eventually have vote majority anyway. We can't win the game if half of town isn't voting.

We have lynched all the people that looked bad. All flipped civ. So it's reasonable to expect there are 1 or more mafia among inactives. Especially considering the random nature of some kills and silencings, which suggests there are people missing them.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:45 pm how confident are we that there's a vampire in the empties

If by empties you mean just Penny and Dom, 56%

If it's Penny, Dom, and both nova and INH, 80%

So maybe instead of acting like you are being treated unfairly, you could start by apologizing for missing the entirety of Day 4, and joining the discussion.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:45 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:43 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:41 pm What is the case against me, if I may ask ?

The same against Pennywise, Dom and INH. Prolongued inactivity.

So that's the case you're going with in the last lynch before loosing majority ? What about a case on my posts, and my interactions? Do you have any intention of solving the game?

Yes.

We talked about it, while you were not around, and some of us thought we can't win the game with 4 inactives, no matter how good we are at solving the game.

But it's nice to see you back.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 5:41 pm What is the case against me, if I may ask ?

The same against Pennywise, Dom and INH. Prolongued inactivity.

I hate how there are now 5 voters on Dom. Feels too easy.

Maybe [VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine instead?

That said, we are still gambling. We don't know if Dom can be more or less civ than Penny or INH or nova. We are just reducing the damage in case we miss.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 8:36 am DDL, why do you say a mislynch of INH would be worse than a mislynch of Dom? Also, I'm pursuing the things I see fit to pursue.

If he is a civ he can vote.

Dom won't vote.

A mislynch of someone who is voting and is a civ brings us closer to the end of the game.

[VOTE: Dom] aubergine

Roll the dice.

Jay looks civ, tinfoil aside. He is playing the same as in FE. I mean I am open for a tinfoil but at this point I'm not sure if the risk is worth it. Maybe later after we actually lynch baddies. Mac is decent, albeit less obvious civ than Jay. But what I said about Jay applies to him.

I like Kyle in this game. Juliets I like somewhat less. I don't remember who said that but shes mostly making easy points and stuff that is easy to agree with. Can very easily be civ, but also easy for a bad to make. I haven't liked wolbre's guts since the start and I think his pursue of INH is forced. Could see myself voting there if we don't lynch an inactive. Ok scratch that I have someone I wanna lynch other than Marmot.

Did I already run out of active players? Well the others are interchangeable. There is some big tinfoiling about INH since he actually bothered to show up which could suggest team coaching, but then again, he is an inactive who came back. A mislynch of him is worse than a mislynch of say, Dom. The problem is that by picking one now we are basically gambling the game. Then again the town is so fucked that gambling may not be a bad idea.

Ok there isn't anyone among the actives I really wanna lynch, except maybe Marmot who I still think is coasting the hell out of this game.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:59 am Actually, I'd like to know what anyone thinks of nova.

I thought he was bad at the beginning because I didn't like his day 1 vote but then I decided his day 1 vote was forgivable since both the people he voted for were civ so the save I was reading didn't happen.

Then I kind of forgot he existed?

If he is bad it's a pretty good strategy. As much as it pains me to call inactivity "strategy".

Are there even mafia in this game

No love for the Marmot lynch? Meh.

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

Sorry Jack I get your point that Epi was giving up but I also think you slipped a little too easily on it. I made the same analysis of Epi last EoD and concluded he was giving up for reasons beyond this game. You went and lynched him for it. I admit I'm kind of sheeping on Jay here but his point is good.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:13 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:09 pm Mac godanmit you can't attack me for voting for Marmot and attack Marmot in the same post.

What is your stance on Marmot anyway?

What? Of course I can. Either or both of you could be bad? What kind of bullshit logic is this?

I agree with your read but I don't see him as vote worthy yet.

I'm gonna be the Epi now.

We are here to lynch baddies.

So if someone looks bad.

That's the one and only reason to vote for them.

Epi would be offended at your terrible impersonation.

So Marmot is the scummiest player in the game then? Seems like you have been reading the game rather differently.

Well right now he is the one I wanna lynch. I'm not keeping a tier list. I don't do that. I look for reasons to lynch people and pursue them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:09 pm Mac godanmit you can't attack me for voting for Marmot and attack Marmot in the same post.

What is your stance on Marmot anyway?

What? Of course I can. Either or both of you could be bad? What kind of bullshit logic is this?

I agree with your read but I don't see him as vote worthy yet.

I'm gonna be the Epi now.

We are here to lynch baddies.

So if someone looks bad.

That's the one and only reason to vote for them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:10 pm How is Jay on two votes? Tinfoil is real.

Scotty, Jack ... tell me what makes Marmot, Kyle, DDL, Wolbre, Long Con, Juliets, myself and the other one of you more civ than Jay?

Also has anyone heard from Nova?

Wait

nova is playing this game?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:03 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:57 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:56 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:41 pmSlight town read on:
Kyle

can i plz ask why

Tone. I always look for your tone.

am i shining?

Kyle you have been so under the radar here. Would you pleae do me a courtesy and give me some of your thoughts?

yeah

Guys I think the Epi thing is contagious.

Mac godanmit you can't attack me for voting for Marmot and attack Marmot in the same post.

What is your stance on Marmot anyway?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:06 pm DDL why did you vote for Marmot? Is that one of those teammate distance for cred votes that never get you cred but instead get you lynched for not having the balls to vote on wagon?

Marmot why are you here?

I explained it like 2 posts above.

I feel like he is under the radar and I don't like it.

I was going to say I felt like Marmot had more or less disappeared after Epi's death.

Then I looked at his ISO and he has a bunch of posts. But my gut says he kind of went underground. He threw some soft shit at Jack but that's it. I mean sure, it's Marmot, but usually when he's a civ I can read that more easily.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 12:38 pm I also think sig was killed because he suspected wolbre. Couple that with JjJ’s catch of wolbre’s “townslip” makes me feel more sure

what is ur proposed relationship between jay and wolbre

I could see it I remember Jay saying something about feeling good about Wolbre, even though he is saying he could vote him now. Could be calculated distancing.

Yeah it's ambiguous but I kind of assumed Smog is the one who kills because of the description of the other roles.

Guys what if mafia is missing kills and they are getting randomized?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:06 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:03 pm I kind of feel the Jack lynch but guys I wanna bring up another problem.

What do we do with the inactives?

Cuz we have 3 of them and we are rapidly approaching lylo. With 3 inactives, we approach it faster. Right now if exclude them, the setup is 6-4-1. How long till mafia just overpowers us?

I wanna lynch an inactive.

There are better ways to handle that problem.

What do you mean? Vigging them?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:05 pm You kinda feel it but you don't have anything you want me to address.

Whatever. I'll take what I can get.

Like you and Jay have already combed through everything.

I agree with some of Jay's points about you, yet I feel like Jay is tunneling harder than a guy digging down a hole to China.

I kind of feel the Jack lynch but guys I wanna bring up another problem.

What do we do with the inactives?

Cuz we have 3 of them and we are rapidly approaching lylo. With 3 inactives, we approach it faster. Right now if exclude them, the setup is 6-4-1. How long till mafia just overpowers us?

I wanna lynch an inactive.