The Syndicate

Point is, if you say you don't believe Golden would design a game where Speedchuck could be lynched without chance for defense, I say that's perfectly in line with what I expect from role madness.

And please, don't say I want to discount any discussion. I'm not doing that. I'm stating my opinion. If you want to stop arguing with me, i'll stop.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:50 pm He's not on the poll? That's rich. I think our poll guy did a good job.

And I have played dozens and dozens of role madness games, and balance and fairness is possible and perfectly achievable. I think you just said that to discount any discussion of the likeliness of a faux role revealed without a true role revealed.

I am going to complete my read of sig today, and reading days four and five to figure out why sig had seven votes day five and zero on day four, with an eye tonwhat INH said.

Balance is achievable. As in, a game where all players have a decent chance of winning.

Fairness is not. Role madness is designed to make some players get screwed up in ways beyond their control or fault.

If a player has a Framer role and they use it on a civ the same night the civ gets investigated, the civ is most likely going to be lynched. It's not fair, but it will happen.

No Speechuck in the poll? Lame.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:30 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:16 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:05 pm Let me put this a different way:

If nutella was the only one that can expose a players role, truthfully or falsely, when she flips her target is fucked regardless because we just flip around the alignments for the true result. That seems unfair. I don't believe that this game is unfair.

Role madness mafia is not fair.

What?

It is not. Abilities flying around all the time and most of them are designed to keep players from doing what they want to do, reveal mafia players, redirect abilities and make townies kill each other. It's one million ways to screw up with attempts from players to play the game.

If you want a fair, competitive experience, a game with few power roles like a Heist is better.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 4:05 pm Let me put this a different way:

If nutella was the only one that can expose a players role, truthfully or falsely, when she flips her target is fucked regardless because we just flip around the alignments for the true result. That seems unfair. I don't believe that this game is unfair.

Role madness mafia is not fair.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:27 pm This Nutella business is a wild goose chase, imo. Why would a baddie use her one time power to save a baddie from another team, especially when she died by surprise and probably wasn't expecting to die? They would use it to make someone look bad, not good.

She didn't know Speed was bad. She saw a guy who could look bad by association with LC, and seized the opportunity to frame a civ.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 11:44 am I don't see how shenanigans could work, unless it's something to do with Speed's role, since it was a day action not a night one.

This is also an obviously pro mafia power. so I doubt it's fake in anyway. You pick someone you think is a civ bam they look like mafia and you waste a day lynching them. The only think that puzzles me is that the mafia team didn't try to kill him.

Well it does give them a free lynch on someone not from their team after Nutella dies.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 10:06 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 9:53 am It's just a matter of method. If a player is revealed as scum by abilities, I abandon any pre-conceptions about their alignment I might have, and follow the abilities. because the cprobability of those being right is considerably higher than whatever conclusion I had before. Scumhunting is not reliable.

I disagree. The roles in this game are a massive clusterfuck (and I mean this as a compliment @Golden ). Jumping to conclusions based on host posts when we have seen some fairly insane roles is ill advised, imo. Two roles we have seen can falsify results. I think the thread is more reliable in this circumstance.

But like I said, I have thought he was bad since LCs first lynch, so not sure why I am even arguing this point. I think the thread points to him being bad. So we can agree to disagree on methodology, I suppose. But if he flips civ, I don't want you to lecture me on "host info > baddie hunting" again.

If he flips civ, I will give it to you for making a good thread read, but I stand by my method. The chance of that exact ability being coincidentally screwed up is much lower than the chance that we simply cannot read Speedchuck's mind perfectly.

It's just a matter of method. If a player is revealed as scum by abilities, I abandon any pre-conceptions about their alignment I might have, and follow the abilities. because the cprobability of those being right is considerably higher than whatever conclusion I had before. Scumhunting is not reliable.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:47 am I doubt there are two bad role revealers

What are you talking about? We only need one bad role revealer.

Your you mean LC's role too?

Lynched Speechuck tomorrow though.

I mean the guy gets revealed as town then we have another role revealed that explicitely reveals other roles as opposed faction. This is confirmation that Speed is bad. Of course, there are a number of ways where this could be wrong, but we should at the very least be strongly considering it.

Mechanical confirmation by host > whatever scumhunting method you like to use.

Well, for a day poll where I get the most votes end with a baddie being lynched even though i'm a civ, that's best case scenario.

He got outed as a bad who is not on LC's team that's what i'm saying.

I'm not even gonna argue.

See you in Day 15 when the tribes ffinally merge or something.

Later.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:44 pm Please don't lynch me.

No.

Like, a lynch between me and a guy who just got mechanically revealed as bad?

Easy money.
[VOTE:
Speedchuck.] aubergine

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:48 pm In light of the opposing LC/sig wagons on LCs 2nd lynch, I am going to leave my vote on DDL at this point.

I would rather lynch on thread based behavior than an info dump that is somewhat ambiguous, but that lynch makes DDL look bad as hell, IMO. Very seriously bad.

Linki @Quin you don't remember that? He defended him so aggressively and pushed hard for the Dom lynch instead. It's the whole reason I suspected him. Nutella flip actually made me feel better about Chuck.

You came in here suspecting DDL, do you still feel that way? Look at my post and sigs up above, that vote of DDls was shady as all hell.

I don't follow. I bad because I didn't vote for LC?

This game is zzzzzzzzz

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 5:31 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:57 am Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.

Should I just be letting things go then?

Well that's my defense. Your call.

Yes I decided LC lynch was too easy and decided to throw shit on the fan to see what happened.

This was not a transparent attempt by a baddie to save a teammate from a TMI lynch, if that's what you are looking for.

No shit, I didnt vote LC. That confirms me as bad and all the 7 people who voted him as civ right?

Godanmit Quin.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:36 am I think that's a pretty accurate summary, except DDL didn't vote LC #2 either. I suspect him for that, but I know Epi was very adamant about his being town and I town-read him, so I want to look at fresh meat instead.

You are annoying.

You guys got screws because LC decided to protagonize thr TMI Event of the Decade, which led to a gazillion people voting him, two days in a row.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:17 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:02 pm Ok now seriously

I'm on my first life, but second role because Golden goofed with a lynch. My first role was a vote manipulator. Opinions differ on whether that makes me look civ or not. Epi had a big theory proving I'm civ, opinions differ on it too.

Actually, juliets goofed with a Lynch, not Golden.

Oh, thought it was him since he came to talk to me about it.

It's cool though, juliets.

mfw people from this tribe are so bored only us new members are posting

End this tribe system already plx

Is this Jack's second life?

Ok now seriously

I'm on my first life, but second role because Golden goofed with a lynch. My first role was a vote manipulator. Opinions differ on whether that makes me look civ or not. Epi had a big theory proving I'm civ, opinions differ on it too.

Sprityo is 99% confirmed announcer. An announcer in a closed setup game is 95% civ. next.

Speedchuck is confirmed civ by the host. Unless the host is lieing hes a civ.

Nutella has BTSC with one of you guys in her first role.

Bob had a stupid bastard role that lied to use about being fated to lynch day 6. He didn't and instead forced Nutella to solve a bunch of soup can puzzles to avoid exploding.

Epi is in this game.

DH is in this game and he is really fired up about it.

SVS had the flu role from CC123. No, seriously, By miracle she managed not to get voted. She is freaking out about you guys want to lynch her for it, but imo she was acting unconfortable about it so I think she was a civ. Not sure about Role 2.

Quin had some mathy thingy that confirmed him as not mafia as long as no otyher vote manipulator roles existed besides me and LC.

LC went full TMI and got lynched twice.

Dom caught LC. People were divided on whether Dom himself had TMI or just luck. He was in the middle with a shit flinging contest with EPi that thankfully got interrupted.

Did I miss anyone?

Neither are here tho. Meh. Gotta find new people to lynch.

I don't wanna read 1,5k posts tho

Ok I'm going to the movies (Tomb Raider. I know, but I just want the excuse to go out). I'll give you a rundown.

Bob and Nutella are bad. And no, this is not FE.