The Syndicate

I was gonna make an arrogant post about how you have no idea how bad internet providers in Brazil are but then I remembred USA is pretty infamous for that too.

Either way...

In 2014, when I returned from UK, I moved into a new place and tried to install internet on it. 3 months later I was still waiting (using a 3G stick in the meanwhile). I called them asking when I was gonna get the service and they tell me I have to pay for the 3 months where I didn't have internet. I politely tell them to fuck off and give up.

Fast forward to 2018 and they are still calling my father to ask him to pay for those 3 months of service they never provided.

For me it just made sense to ensure he wasn't desperate to win at the end of the game (which could cause him to side with mafia). The way it ended up, he'd probably have sided with town.

From my experience indies usually side with civilians unless you give them a very strong reason not to.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 8:33 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:02 pm Fact 1: Epi doesn't hard bus.

Fact 2: Golden doesn't hard bus.

Fact 3: One of the statements above is not true.

This is where I am right now.

@Golden , I think I'm the only one who remembers you as town, whole-hearted claiming to bus teammates when you're scum. I thought this was a known thing? And nobody corrected DDL!

My point was to say one of the two is lying.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:54 am I feel like I have to play World Asunder and Hogwarts

I am still finishing improving it. It's turning more awesome every day.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:40 am DDL, I really enjoyed watching your town game knowing you were town, you were formidable.

Oh, and that post from speedchuck pretty much laying my motives for every action bare. Yeesh.

Thanks man.

Good game here. It really came down close and either side could have won.

The crew mechanic really decided it though, I think the civs would have won it it wasn't here. Chicka Chicka effect is fucking real.

Real thanks for hosting this, Daisy and Mac.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:48 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:47 am As mafia we winged this whole game. We had no plan whatsoever.
Because plans are how you get caught.

DDL really was wrong thinking I didn’t want to lynch TH. I was giving it everything I had.

You wanted to get others to lynch TH.

But you weren't trying to get your hands dirty with it.

I was lowkey expecting DH to redirect it onto me so I would be able to brag about taking a bullet to save him, too.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 12:44 am By the way DDL, DH...

We had three kill chances a night ago. We used the other two on Epi and DH assuming DDL has the redirect.

We also killed epi assuming DDL would pass it to DH

But I’m actually phenomenally amazed you had the iron will to hold it to the very end.

If you killed Epi now, I'd have saved DH. That would have been worth it.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:17 pm Stop celebrating guys. My vote was controlled.

I'm not celebrating I'm crying while crafting a Golden voodoo doll.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:16 pm Hey you know what's great is TH's teammate just outted himself for nothing lol

Fuckin 200 level IQ

Whoever bought that vote manipulation item just won the game.

Hope it was you because it wasn't me.

DDL: "Hey Epi can you help me figure out if Golden is bad with TH?"
Epi: "I don't care about that. that's your problem. The only thing that matters is that I'm a civ. I'll vote for you for daring to questioning me" <votes DDL and goes to bed>".

Well I did say that someone's ego was going to be shattered.

Aaaand I was right.

I think we broke DH guys

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:23 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:21 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:19 pm So I assume we all think DH is trolling or something?
I think we can assume he’s lying at this point. Trolling? Maybe not so much.
Why would I lie about this? I left crumbs all day today asking Epi about how he handled the gun, and questioning why he'd lie detect me.

Who did you lie detect and who are thw two baddies?

So I assume we all think DH is trolling or something?

After that game, the players had to be taken to a mental institution, and were never seen or heard from again.

Fuck this shit. I'm not paid to do this.

Alright I'm not posting or doing anything until you explain what the fuck is going on.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:30 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:40 pm Okay so DDL is bad

If you're saying I'm bad you're lying and can we get to the part where we vote for each other.

Godanmit stop being cryptic.

Ok this is confusing

WHo did you lie detect btw

So you are saying Epi is lying then.

Why do we not lynch him? For all you believe TH is bad this is actual proof of Epi.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:12 pm Epi: I have a gun and I'm gonna shoot teh bad manz

Epi: I have a lie detector and DH is a civ

Either shit, or leave the toilet seat.

Ok let's do a JJJ:

What did Epignosis do to lynch:

Sokoth:

- nothing

Enrique:

- Started accusing him on Day 4
- Again on Day 5
- Early vote on him.
- Ushers people into voting for Enrique when they don't follow him immediately.

DF:

- Pointed out his relation with Sokoth the day after he was lynched.
- Again on day 4. Pushed it on multiple posts. Asked people to talk about it. Voted for him when the other popular options were Marmot and TH.
- Keeps pushing on day 5.
- Some arguing for it in the crew thread, apparently. Unfortunately we can't see it.
- Voted for him when the time came during day 6.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 9:01 pm When that happens, everybody knows I was truthful. So win.

This is the most Epignosis post I've read all year.

Fact 1: Epi doesn't hard bus.

Fact 2: Golden doesn't hard bus.

Fact 3: One of the statements above is not true.

This is where I am right now.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:59 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:10 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:09 pm The die gets rolledto see what overall effect the item will have, then it is randomized who the effect will apply to.
Thanks.

Damn, you win then Golden.

TH can be mafia with Epi.
This isn’t about winning an argument about a grenade. It’s about being accurate as much as possible in reaching any assumptions.

The greande means EVERYTHING.

If TH can't be bad with Epi, then I have to assume one of you or Epi decided to break your bussing meta for the first time in 4 years.

And I am here, being told by both of you that it's not possible.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:53 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:46 pm Alright Golden time out.

Before this gets personal, let me tell you I do acknoledge your effort in winning this game. I'm just questioning whether that effort is aimed at making TH get lynched, or if it's aimed at looking like you wanted to lynch TH.

I'm not denying the effort you have made in playing this game, but your intentions.

Sorry.
And if you read my iso properly, you cannot in good conscience reach your conclusions about that. And I can’t fucking iso myself before day end on my phone to prove it to you. But I would if I could.

I pointed out very carefully how aspects of your narrative that allows you to paint my approach to TH that way rely on things like saying I ‘get on a cfd’ when it’s actually the result of me pleading people to listen.

You have no idea how impossible it was for me to get traction. I worked fucking hard to that end and you pull a couple of quotes and say it’s evidence of the opposite. It’s not. They’re taken out of context from moments where despite me pushing for TH I am not getting traction.

Stop tunnelling and answer this question.

You think x is bad. Everyone disagrees. You fight and get nowhere. Do you

A) continue fighting and spend all your effort on that one thing; or
B) use your theory of the game to find who is stopping you from gaining traction, who is overtly or subtly defending it helping your suspect etc.

Because you are saying that B is sign that there’s no intent but at all times I was very open about exactly what I was seeing. The intent is there for the world.

I don't know.

I'm saying it's plausible. I tried to get Epi lynched yesterday and I hit a wall. Nobody bought it. We ended up with a poll that had 1 vote in each person. Perfect for a mafia win.

So I decided to stop being stubborn and ISO you, then I ISO'd you and found that it's plausible for you to be bussing TH. Not confirmed, but plausible.

I'm trying to work with other people. TH only replies with memes, DH only replies with snark, and Epi only replies with arrogance. You are the only player here I can talk to. But this means I have to bend to some of them otherwise I'll end up throwing my vote on a lone wagon while you guys lynch me or whatever.

Unfortunately I can't win the game alone, because half of the possible pairings have my name on it. So I have to cooperate with a group that somehow has you as the 4th most arrogant member.

I'll look at ISOs and see what I can find.

worth replying to*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:50 pm By interacting, I mean "with each other."

You are right.

I don't want to read TH's iso. It's 9 pages of memes. It ain't worth it. And he doesn't say anything replying too because it's more memes.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:10 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:09 pm The die gets rolledto see what overall effect the item will have, then it is randomized who the effect will apply to.
Thanks.

Damn, you win then Golden.

TH can be mafia with Epi.
You're bad.

I spent all my money on the lie detector. It was there, it cost a million dollars, and I hadn't bought anything all game. The grenade also cost a fortune, as I recall.

And I wouldn't fucking toss it on my own ship, you ninny.

As if DF or Enrique couldn't have bought it with their money. It doesn't matter who did, I'm analysing what the faction did. Chances are it was really DF/Enrique anyway.

If there are two baddies in your faction and three civs, it had 7% chance of killing a baddie, and 10% chance of killing a civ.

If there is one baddie, it had 3% chance of killing a baddie and 13% chance of killing a civ.

If there are no baddies in the yunqui... that scenario doesn't exist, because I'm a civ and Golden/DH aren't wolf/wolf. So somebody threw a grenade into their own ship.

Now the question is, what odds would mafia assume? Assuming they calculated the odds, ofc.

Alright Golden time out.

Before this gets personal, let me tell you I do acknoledge your effort in winning this game. I'm just questioning whether that effort is aimed at making TH get lynched, or if it's aimed at looking like you wanted to lynch TH.

I'm not denying the effort you have made in playing this game, but your intentions.

Sorry.

There is a difference in how it's done, but you don't necessarily have to repeat same method every time.

The method I am describing, assuming I am right, is also pretty good.

Inb4 the INH indie thing is a decoy and we are about to be trolled hard.

Ok why did it take me so long to notice I have two votes on me.

You are so good at bussing you could write a book about it. And I'd buy it. You basically taught me how to bus.

Not because you outright vote for teammates as soon as the day starts, but you have the sense of timing to know when it's the best time to do it, and how to make it look legit.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:00 pm As for your point about why you don’t bus. I agree entirely. That’s why I only do it when the value I get outweighs the value I lose. My approach to bussing is well overstated.

You bussed three consecutive teammates in Economics Mafia, and you made sure you were one of the first few people in all wagons.

You do bus.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:42 pm DDL & TH:

What do I have to believe if I believe that you are bad?

That TH is bad.

Because I seriously think me and Golden changing the vote to Enrique at the same time in the last 30 seconds of the day would be really crazy.

Other than that, I dunno, my voting record has been garbage this game, I admit.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 7:49 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 10:27 pmHe attacks TH a lot, but it's not until Day 4 that he becomes his main suspect. Day 3 he's basically mentioning other peeople while throwing jabs at TH, until someone starts a CFD on TH and he acts like a little boy who just got a surprise candy. Then he becomes more adamant about wanting TH's head, but it's not real tunneling, and we have that point I made ages ago where it seemed like the two were badmouthing each other without engaging directly.
And btw - this is not the post of someone who is engaging properly with my iso. To be fair on day three I did spend a bit of time on defence of my captaincy style, but other than that I couldn't have been more clear who I wanted out.

On day three I was very clear about TH from the very start with stuff like this:

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:35 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:13 am Turnip Head
Dr Wilgy
Dharmaplayer
Enrique
Insertnamehere
Glorfindel

Leaving Lapluie out of this beautiful rainbow list. I wouldn't lynch there though since she's getting replaced.
My rainbow list for this poll is literally the exact inverse of this.
I had already spent all day two after TH and failed. Also, someone did not just 'start a cfd on TH and I jumped on'.

Someone else (Enrique, as it happened) said he'd vote with me. He was the first person to say it. I went on. This was at least a full 24 hours before the lynch, not a CFD at all. It was just a glimmer of hope for me that maybe someone would listen.

And no-one else really did.

So I ended up voting for Wilgy the next day - but in my Wilgy vote post I still spent the time beseeching people to read TH before day's end in case there was any shot I could get the vote back to TH. And I kept pushing and pushing.

And then the dam broke and people started going that way and yes, I was like a kid in a candy store at that moment because it felt like people were finally listening. And then in the end it didn't happen. But I fucking damn well wanted it to.

And if anyone can't read the honesty in exchanges like this, I don't know what more I can say:

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:17 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:15 pm Yo Dharma wanna put our shit on pause and take out Goldenboy?
Yo TH wanna recruit the people I’ve scumread and use them as allies just because it’s an easy way to take out a threat to you?

I’m not on the poll.
You cannot read day three and come out with any other conclusion but one of these two:

1) I was a townie who genuinely wanted TH dead; or
2) It was an extremely hard bus.

This analysis that he was not my main suspect before day 4 isn't even close to the truth.

Never said I was engaging properly. I don't have fun in doing this, so I did it to the point I felt unimpressed about your effort to lynch TH and decided to point it out.

My problem is that, while you have suspected TH all game, before day 4 you haven't made a huge effort engaging him, pushing for him, voting for him. You do when other people propose it. That's a great way to bus, because you can say you have attacked him all game, which you did, but not make the effort to get it done. It's easy to say he is your big suspect and vote for someone else, or not vote at all and wait to be the second on his wagon. Or propose a cfd on nutella when he's finally getting lynched. That stuff. Your actions don't mind your rainbow lists.

In that sense Epi has a point, because while he did spend way fewer words than you pushing the members of mafia, he was there when we needed someone to get them lynched.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:09 pm The die gets rolledto see what overall effect the item will have, then it is randomized who the effect will apply to.

Thanks.

Damn, you win then Golden.

TH can be mafia with Epi.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 6:36 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 3:02 pm @Spacedaisy could you please answer my question about the grenade? ,
GJ Flashkill Pod Grenades - 1 time use on another crew, (1) Random kill, (2-3) Random skill set
block, (4-5) Random vote block, (6) All items destroyed

Thank you. But my doubt is: does the die get rolled once for every player in the crew, or do you only pick a single member and then roll the die for them?

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] could you please answer my question about the grenade? ,

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:17 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:14 am
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.
If next DP, me and/or Golden and/or DH ask you to back the fuck away from Epi and vote for the other guy, or at least stay neutral and not vote, would you do it? I'm afraid you could single-handedly give it to mafia next DP.

I mean there is a decent chance one of the people you are protecting is bad.
Yeah INH if DDL asked you to fuck off with your vote, essentially giving him the conditions he needs as a baddie to try and win alone, would you do it huh wouldya huh would ya do it wink wink

What if Im dead and you are the one having to get on your knees to beg to INH-sama.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:14 am
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.
If next DP, me and/or Golden and/or DH ask you to back the fuck away from Epi and vote for the other guy, or at least stay neutral and not vote, would you do it? I'm afraid you could single-handedly give it to mafia next DP.

I mean there is a decent chance one of the people you are protecting is bad.

Then again there was an item in the shop that changed the vote power and we don't know who bought it. We might need your vote after all.

Scratch that, ignore my previous post INH. We will deal with you when the time comes.

DH you realize there are only 2 scum right

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 11:01 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:46 pm Before I go into this further, I want each person to answer this:

Do you have any reason whatsoever to believe that INH is a liar?
Lemme explain my current perspective: I'm lying back, eating popcorn, and resting on my laurels. If y'all wanna lynch or NK me, feel free. Doesn't really matter to me. As long as I exist in this game, I'm gonna try and support the three people who made my win possible: DH, DDL, and Golden. Whoever the majority of them vote for, I'll vote for as well. I figure it's the least I can do.

Still genuinely think TH is bad, btw.

If next DP, me and/or Golden and/or DH ask you to back the fuck away from Epi and vote for the other guy, or at least stay neutral and not vote, would you do it? I'm afraid you could single-handedly give it to mafia next DP.

I mean there is a decent chance one of the people you are protecting is bad.

Sure

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention] is there any chance you could provide us with the description of that grenade item that was bought early? The one that killed juliets the first time?

Like I've accepted I dont remember the formula for how it works but in every likely form of it, using an item that can kill people in a crew where 2/5 are your teammates sounds like a crap idea.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:22 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 30, 2018 8:18 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 29, 2018 11:44 pm Lynch Golden.

Validate TH.

Then lynch TH.
I wanna change to Golden now (since unlike TH he can be bad with you) but I'll only do it after I see DH doing it.

Because the dude has a TH addiction right now and I don't feel like taunting his rage and getting lynched myself in the process.
What’s one good reason TH and epi can’t be bad together?

Grenade.

Also I'm not sure if INH will come back either.

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