The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:30 pm I'm not really convinced that a cfd usually is for saving a baddie teammate. I think that's just an assumption a lot of people make that doesn't really happen that often at all. In fact I kind of suspect sig a little more for suggesting it.

Long Con is a civilian.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:56 pm I bodyguarded Mac.
Thanks man. In return have one of these.

Okay.

Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.

I bodyguarded Mac.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 1:48 pm Just to ensure no time is wasted talking about it moving forward:

I am not silenced. Well, I guess it's possible I'll be silenced when the night ends, but as far as I know I'm not silenced. I am on sabbatical. I'll be back soon enough.
Will you be here before EoD3?

Probably.

Just to ensure no time is wasted talking about it moving forward:

I am not silenced. Well, I guess it's possible I'll be silenced when the night ends, but as far as I know I'm not silenced. I am on sabbatical. I'll be back soon enough.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:57 amIt's about giving my civilian teammates the best I can give them even if it kills me.

I am asking other civilians for permission:

Can I stop? Can I play like a normal person for the rest of the game? It hurts me. My head is throbbing. Please. If you suspect me I understand. Let me rest. I will do my best at least to the point of not wanting to stick my head in the oven.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:51 am No but it is a sight better look for you when you try to lynch a player who you've been trying to lynch rather than a player you have made a passing comment on.

It probably would be a better look for me, agreed. I can't be concerned with that though. We have a finite number of lynches to eliminate a set number of mafia members, and that means the last vote I place is of crucial importance to my ability to contribute to a civilian win. Placing that last vote in the right place is my only concern. Everyone else can tell me I am the scummiest man on Earth if they feel like it.

Looking sharp and snazzy as a bad guy is so easy. Civilians suspect the same things in every damned game. Don't do them and you're golden. In this game I don't care about that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:51 amAre you okay btw? You sound like you are starting to lose your marbles.

Maybe I am losing my marbles. I shouldn't have signed up for this game. It's no slight on Jack or on the other players here. I have just had my fill of Mafia in recent memory, and when I get burnt out -- living up to The JJJ Standard is the absolute worst nuisance. It's not even about appearances. It's about giving my civilian teammates the best I can give them even if it kills me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:35 am I won't feel dumb just because I didn't help fluke lynch a low lying scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:35 amWhat about your other candidates? You surely had done more groundwork on others. I am struggling to understand why you chose her of all people.

Like I said earlier: the people in this game who have said suspicious things have also said good things. I don't have a conclusive, entirely negative this player is awful read to offer you. If I did, I've have lynched that person. In the absence of such a convenience, I opted for the player who is having a much harder time integrating into this busy game than she did in the previous busy game as a civilian.

I don't think "groundwork" is meaningful on its own power. It can motivate other voters to support a lynch. It can explain a suspicion. It doesn't make a player more suspicious simply for existing. I might even go more out there with my ever-developing Mafia theory: cases are overrated. At least at this point in the game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:24 am Jimmy given you tried to push last minute cfd I am confused as to why you chose lap and not quin or any of the other players you've cased at length and found suspect.

I didn't case Quin at length. When I dug into his posts my suspicion of him decreased. The core "he isn't doing anything" accusation wasn't entirely accurate.

One doesn't build a "case" against lapluie -- it boils down to a single meta judgment. She can be as suspicious as anyone for whom a case was built.

I don't know if she is mafia, but if she is I am going to belly laugh while a bunch of people feel dumb.

I really hope nutella is a civilian, because 264 posts at EOD2 brings a tear to me eye.

We've had a shitpile of low posters flip mafia in recent games, and people are still refusing to lynch them.

Prepare for thread lock.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:57 am Not voting to lynch someone who isn't gonna leave juicy teammate interactions

Things said by mafioso - minimal

Things said about mafioso - solid content

I don't care for a colonialbob lynch.

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:54 am Jay, Jack's night post was at x:52, but I'm not entirely sure if he's using that

I'm trusting the poll title. Just before midnight.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:53 am Wait what

I know, crazy right

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:52 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:51 am [VOTE: long con] aubergine
Mafia horse doesn’t kill town horse night 1

Why? Please be quick.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:49 am Completely unaccountably: [VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

I could lynch Long Con. We should have about 6-8 minutes.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:50 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:49 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:48 am I'm drunk ask me anythi ng
grog y/n

also why dunya/speedchuck
Y

Dunya is bad. I swear to god it's true. Or at least I believe it to be true

She has a motive that I can't pinpoint. She's baaaad.

That horrible motive ate at her so much that she turned into speedchuck.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:45 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:39 am To be frank:

Most of the time, civilians are terrible at understanding what is suspicious behavior without objective information present to guide the hunt (flips, actions, etc). I am not great at it either. On Day 1, which is where we still are essentially, I don't object to lynching someone with a lack of civilian credit. A lot of people who have said suspicious things have also said things I think look good.

The more posts you have, the more opportunities you have to say something that someone else won't like. Oh well.

Unless someone is a glaring, awful look, I am not inclined to lynch an active player if I can see any civilian light when there's a less active player (especially in a busy-ass game where I'd expect mafia to fall behind more than civilians) who can be lynched instead. Is it easy? Sure. Is it safe? Sure. Is it a valid philosophy which I have lived by in many civilian games throughout my long Mafia life? Yeah.
BOGUS

We are not at Day 1. You keep saying that. We're at Day 2 and every civilian in this game got the chance to use a power. Every single one. I made sure that happened.

So you can talk about how there's no objective information if you want to. Every civilian got a shot.

That you should call this Day 1 Part 2 is bogus. It's Day 2. Mafia killed. Civilians got their actions in.

You are so bad.

I don't know about you, but my actions told me jack shit about other people.

I'm a civilian, and if you are too there will come a time soon when you realize that you don't know me like you think you do.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:42 am Aaaaaaaaanybody up for a CFD onto TSP? I still suspect him for my previously laid out reasons.

I don't feel it. I think his suspicion of you is misguided, but I don't think he looks bad for it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:39 am That you suspected them for horseshit reasons. I genuinely believe lapluie is behind and that this is not the same thing as MK. Quin I have less confidence about, because Quin is tricky. Neither of them have given me a reason to suspect them.

You, on the other hand, are finding easy reasons to suspect people. That's not good.

I agree that lapluie has fallen behind. What does that have to do with anything?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:40 am Sorry lads a lurker is not going to die today, I want an active player to die so we get more info

I don't want "info". I want a mafioso.

To be frank:

Most of the time, civilians are terrible at understanding what is suspicious behavior without objective information present to guide the hunt (flips, actions, etc). I am not great at it either. On Day 1, which is where we still are essentially, I don't object to lynching someone with a lack of civilian credit. A lot of people who have said suspicious things have also said things I think look good.

The more posts you have, the more opportunities you have to say something that someone else won't like. Oh well.

Unless someone is a glaring, awful look, I am not inclined to lynch an active player if I can see any civilian light when there's a less active player (especially in a busy-ass game where I'd expect mafia to fall behind more than civilians) who can be lynched instead. Is it easy? Sure. Is it safe? Sure. Is it a valid philosophy which I have lived by in many civilian games throughout my long Mafia life? Yeah.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:34 am Your reasons for all of them are lazy though. Quin not engaging anyone "substantively?" lapluie not "hitting the ground running here like she did in MK?"

Lazy work. I do not believe you are a civilian, sir.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

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Do you have a reason to believe Quin and lapluie are civilians?

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:28 am JJJ's pets so far:

Quin
Iron Dwarf
Dr. White
lapluie

Somebody tell me he isn't going for easy, early lynches.

I would agree at least that Iron_Dwarf and lapluie are "easy". I don't care. Easy and civilian aren't synonymous. Sometimes mafia members are easy to lynch.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:24 am I mean, JJJ was in Mortal Kombat, eventually found out that lapluie had civilian BTSC, this game is on page 81 on Day 2, and he suspects her for not keeping up?

What the hell?

Mortal Kombat moved very quickly in the early stages. I don't know why I am supposed to care about civilian BTSC.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:15 amYou said my exercise had applications. What did you get out of it?

I got close to nothing out of it. It wasn't my thing. If it had been my thing and something I was personally invested in overseeing, I may have prodded specific people about their specific reads as they pertained to their don choices -- similar to the general question you asked, but pointed at specific names, incessantly, and constantly. I don't think the relationship need exist that you imply (I think you imply?), but it's a question which can still produce interesting answers.

As you portrayed it, whether you intended it or not, the result was a waning of the trust enjoyed by dunya and I, and essentially no effect to people who had civilian reads on us. If the latter are the point of contention, then the former shouldn't have become the focus of the discussion.

To be frank, I think the value of the exercise was best seen during it, and the "results" were about as meaningful as gun-to-head reads exercise results would be on Day 0.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:13 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 am I asked a question that nobody has answered.

You and dunya got the top two draft picks.

Other than me, nobody has expressed a lick of suspicion of either of you (except Dr Wilgy).

What does that tell you about the people who said they would draft you or dunya?
Very little. I said I would draft dunya and I didn't suspect her at all. I said I would draft you, Mr. 3rd Place, and until now I haven't asked significant questions.

Draft choices and thread-borne suspicions don't need to be related. Why should they be?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 am I asked a question that nobody has answered.

You and dunya got the top two draft picks.

Other than me, nobody has expressed a lick of suspicion of either of you (except Dr Wilgy).

What does that tell you about the people who said they would draft you or dunya?

Very little. I said I would draft dunya and I didn't suspect her at all. I said I would draft you, Mr. 3rd Place, and until now I haven't asked significant questions.

Draft choices and thread-borne suspicions do need to be related. Why should they be?

Who feels like an easy lapluie lynch?

The grin is for fun, but I am serious. That's an option I would consider.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:05 am That's a poor summary of what my exercise did, and does not accurately summarize what I drew from it.

Additionally, some people keep talking like my exercise is over simply because I extracted some things from it they don't like. It's not.

Here's what I know for certain:

You counted the results and then turned them into a lengthy dissection, not only perpetrated by you but inspired by you, of my content -- 100% certain to be civilian, and dunya's content -- the most likely civilian in the game other than me. I know my own perspective isn't shared among the masses, but I am confident that a lot of time was wasted on that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:05 am That's a poor summary of what my exercise did, and does not accurately summarize what I drew from it.

Additionally, some people keep talking like my exercise is over simply because I extracted some things from it they don't like. It's not.

Tell me what you've done with that thing since you initially posted the "results".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:02 am The don, whoever it is, could have chosen literally anyone. There's no good reason to clear people based on this premise, and there's no good reason to suspect people based on this premise. He didn't follow up much at all on the angle that had potential -- demanding reasons for civilian reads on drafted players from the drafters.

Correction

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:53 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:05 am Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light
Could be.

"Going after easy targets" is weak in the absence of a civilian read on the alleged easy target. RDW is an easy target.
Who is rdw?

rundontwalk, Epi's current dance partner.

I'll build a basic case on Epignosis:

His exercise had potential, but in the end was not used to its potential. The primary message still ended up surrounding the players who were named the most frequently. This is meaningless given the conditions of the choices are very different for X civilian responding to Epignosis in the game thread and Y mafia don responding to Jack behind the scenes. His own picks were fake. dunya said hers probably weren't representative of what she'd really do. I doubt my picks are either. With more time to think about it -- clearly as would be possible and prudent in the real scenario -- the choices are more strategic and nuanced. I suspect this applies to numerous civilians.

The don, whoever it is, could have chosen literally anyone. There's no good reason to clear people based on this premise, and there's no good reason to suspect people based on this premise. He didn't follow up much at all on the angle that had potential -- demanding reasons for civilians on drafted players from the drafters.

His role ability was to prevent a lynch. I believe this. He said himself that he thought he was threatened and used it early given that he might not have time to use it later. This leaves room for him to have saved himself, at least by intention, as a mafioso. The civilian possibility is as real as the mafia possibility, but it's a bad reason to give him credit.

He is now shitting in my Corn Flakes for going after "easy targets" all the while casting suspicion upon the guy who says whatever the hell he wants in every post. RDW makes himself an easy target by design, and it wouldn't be the first time I've seen a mafioso try to capitalize on that. It was a common mistake in RYM games. Anyone who wants to cast suspicion on RDW wouldn't struggle to find ways of doing so in his posts, because his posts are all over the place. They are always all over the place.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:05 am Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light

Could be.

"Going after easy targets" is weak in the absence of a civilian read on the alleged easy target. RDW is an easy target.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:41 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:03 am Dr. White's schoolyard insults and his attempts to leave a legacy are civilian-indicative. I suggest votes start moving.
One thing I’ve talked about before but I don’t think in this game is the amount of town credit given for dropping bad arguments vs credit that should be given. JJJ has done this kind of thing several times this game and it makes me tinfoily.

If there's only one thing I can do well in the Mafia world, it's completely change my mind in a second.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:27 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:25 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:24 am I would say Epi is a top scum candidate except his role suggests town
What is the purpose of this comment?
That I'm genuinely confused re: Epi. His vote on you doesn't make sense if he genuinely believed I'm scum. If town he should vote for me.

But would scum have a Lynch cancelling role?

A mafioso can absolutely have a lynch cancellation.

Would he use it on Day 1 when two other people are dominating the tally?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:24 am I would say Epi is a top scum candidate except his role suggests town

What is the purpose of this comment?

[mention]MacDougall[/mention], what concern do you have if any about the likelihood that X Don would draft Dr. White given that he is the least-known commodity in the game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:16 am Your bloody case mostly. His reaction reads bad to me. Gold civ medal to you.

That being said I have felt like every lynch candidate so far has been a good one. But after Luffy had a mass sook at me and now White at you and you at Eli I am just not enjoying this at all.

You may have described there the nature of my turn on White. I had to restrain myself from hurling nasty, unwarranted insults just minutes ago at people who do not deserve them as a direct result of being subjected to accusations that I think are stupid. I am a civilian, and that would never happen to me if I am being subject to accusations correctly. Maybe White is the type to do that either way. I don't know how he plays. Maybe [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] can provide insight on that front. In my experience though, when it gets personal, it's nearly always civilian.

I'm sorry to have contributed to your loss of fun. Truly. I have not been a gracious player in this game and I need to find a way to calm my shit down. I don't know why I'm so on edge, but I am.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:13 am Jesus Christ I cannot deal.

What convinced you that Dr. White should be the lynch?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:03 am Dr. White's schoolyard insults and his attempts to leave a legacy are civilian-indicative. I suggest votes start moving.
I don't accept this at all. I am not going to support the notion that being an asshole prevents you from being lynched.

Understandable. I'm just saying that I've seen mafioso asshole and I've seen civilian asshole. I've been both. I think there's usually a difference. Sincerity brings out the darkness.

I need to calm down again. I am sorry for getting irritable in this game, y'all. I am extremely burnt out, and dealing with erroneous Mafia accusations while burnt out is one of the most annoying things in the world. I encourage you to hurl your accusations if you feel they are warranted. After this game I'm taking a long break.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:04 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:00 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 pm Learn to read.

Why are you switching your vote? Take responsibility for the mess you've pushed for multiple day phases.
Because I think you're a civilian. I don't give a shit about any mess or your pitiful insults. I give a shit about where my vote is when the deadline arrives.
Why? You haven't explained how I went from a hard oragne to a civilian in your head yet, nor did you explain your current vote. Yet I'm supposed to be a mind reader and the one being vague?

Topkek at your high horse'ing when you got wayy more emotional earlier and told me to die.

I hope it's clear that when I told you to die, I was referring a lynch in a Mafia game. I don't know you personally and wouldn't wish you ill.

I think RDW has been saying a lot of nonsense on this page particularly as it pertains to MacDougall. Epignosis raised valid concerns, one of which caught my attention especially.

The moment your insults devolved to the "middle school learning" caliber, I lost faith in my mafia read on you. I just don't know many players who resort to that kind of shit unless they are frustrated civilians.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:53 pm The Dr.White is an easy lynch. JJJ is going after easy lynches early on. Dr.White? Iron Dwarf?
Fuck off with this "easy lynch". Is he a civilian?
I don't know. I think you're bad and gunning for easy an lynch. Dr. White has hardly been here, and you're lynching him out of 20+ people?

Nah.

I give absolutely zero fucks about your read. Take it, crumple it up, and throw it in the trash. It's shit. It's no good. Pull out a fresh sheet of paper and try again.

Dr. White's schoolyard insults and his attempts to leave a legacy are civilian-indicative. I suggest votes start moving.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:58 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:52 pm I already argued this with you. You are either being purposefully daft to what I meant (especially since I explained it afterwards and you still kept pushing me being vague), or braindead . Pick your poison
I'm not the only one who didn't know what the hell you meant. You've loved to cite "other people" in this argument. Here's one for you. Is everyone who doesn't know what you meant either bullshitting or braindead?
Depends on if they are scum with you or your town and they are just parroting you because of your status here. Not sure why "interesting" in the post context would be confusing to anyone who has passed middle school tbf.
Your clarity is shit. Write better.

[VOTE: rundonwalk] aubergine
Town JJJ has always known when I'm town

Town JJJ got his ass handed to him by Davie Bowie mafia RDW in #86.

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