The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:11 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:43 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:22 pm Jay and mac already outed, mafia in shambles

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:40 pm Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

Nanook spewing Mac as his partner.

haha mind meld

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 7:11 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:53 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:53 pm I don't know how tf that typo happened but it's canon now

Dr Pooed is surely just a nickname for Mac.

ironically I am in fact pooping

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:40 pm hmmm I think Radishes can definitely be mafia here tbh. His iso is way worse than axe's.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:42 pm My POE is

Alison

Radishes/Wilgy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:44 pm [VOTE: Radish] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 9:44 pm The standard of town has elevated since page 1 so I will be open to MR suspicion. I don't really vibe with it maaaaaaan but he gon have to do things himself

iso him and axe and tell me some specific reasons Radishes feels townier than axe if you can

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:49 am okay so presuming that alison is mafia and she is in antispew/openwolfing

the fact is that her pushing MR for bad reasons would mean MR is her partner anyway

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:51 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:50 am Who are the wolves Mac?

Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:53 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:52 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:49 am okay so presuming that alison is mafia and she is in antispew/openwolfing

the fact is that her pushing MR for bad reasons would mean MR is her partner anyway

The "kill MR then kill me if it's wrong" is certainly a way to send her to F3 if that's the case.

I don't really buy that theory, but that might be because MR hasn't pinged me.

MR hasn't really pinged me all that much either frankly I only started suspecting him because I felt compelled to compare his first 10 posts to Axe's and found him worse, with less suspicion being thrown at him at the time.

If we were to go on pings only I would say that the mafia is probably Alison and Axe lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:56 pm I am glad we're in a game with the likes of Wilgy, MR, NAA and Nook cuz I'm confident they're at least all allergic to your bs.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:00 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:59 pm Marmot was probably consensus top town right? I'm just staring at the matrix trying to decide if it means something.

Yes and apparently Jay doesn't kill Marmot from his ivory tower because Marmot was townreading Jay like that's ever an actual reason a scumteam containing Jay wouldn't blast somebody.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:11 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:08 pm What is my reaction and why is it bad? Is this you trying to make me look bad after a red flip or something?

This got bizarre so fast. I bet it’s pretty hilarious in specchat in some way or another.

No you are sidelining hot takes that feel like cheerleading Jay in a really scummy way and even Jay noticed it.

Your yammering makes zero sense to me. Sorryboutit.

You’re accusing Hally and clearing Hally on breathing in and out.

Or I just don’t get it.

And I believe that if there’s scum between j/hally, it’s likelier to be hally.

You also exaggerate what is happening for some reason. MR and Nanook have had no issues following my train of thought at all. Also you are acting like me changing up me reads and behaving in a weathervaney way is unexpected.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:19 pm mac, jay and i are both town

who are the wolves?

Can be anyone really can't it.

That said. I have some problems with the day 1 gamestate that have caused me to become confirmation biased into this world and your reactions to me voicing it being as aggressive as they were forced me to go back and dig up arguments I didn't really have specifically planned out prior to voicing the read.

My main issue stems from the idea that Alison can go over without a wolf or wolves having good thread control. Alison going over, to me, rules out teams of two inside of MR/Wilgy/NAA/Nanook. It can be that any of them can go with Jay, or yourself but worlds of two containing them should not be able to create a gamestate so malignant that Alison dies d1 (who it's important to note, I was townreading so I don't feel like she was a reasonable chop to make for strong town without being persuaded or at least influenced/humoured by an equally strong wolf). This, coupled with the fact that I was shunted down into the role of town (yes town) moron of the day, again heavily implies the existence of one or two highly influential mafia.

Can a mafia team of two say something like MR/Wilgy just coast while the town captains just work themselves into killing a townie looking Alison, even while MacDougall, who is probably the best Alison read here, is saying she is town? Of course all things is possible in the eyes of the lord. But as I find myself explaining a lot, mafia is a game of probability analysis and I find it more plausible that this would not be the case and that in fact the gamestate was being influenced to be malignant in a more direct manner.

My analysis indicates that one of you are near sure to be mafia now with Marmot and Alison both dead and town.

It is either that, or you guys are playing really badly. Like no offense, but that's the situation. Because I am town. I'll readily admit I'm also playing pretty badly though so you're not alone. But if you guys are town together then yeah you guys are having proper clangers.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:01 pm @Master Radishes c4/dizzy?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:15 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 8:47 pm Read the past few pages.

I think my PoE at this moment is Mac, Radishes, Alison.

Tinfoil C4. I can't express why.

if I rule of three this post I'd say radishes/wilgy are the mafia, there are other posts in his iso that indicate this also namely that he entered late to the game and spent most of his time limply pushing MR which is probably just antispew

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:19 pm Wilgy most likely partner is MR by some stretch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:27 pm or maybe it’s just wilgy/nook

Wilgy hit the thread way late and got to work pushing MR for awful reasons and then later on dropped that read in favour of pushing C4 for awful reasons. Meanwhile he spent most of the time voting me without talking about me.

I'd say his teammate is likely MR. People just give Wilgy twtbw townreads a lot.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:04 pm so you're coming out of this with a wolf read on MR and townread on wilgy? lol ok

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:27 pm radishes style of arguing here is pretty townie... he's arguing from a position of authority (knowing axe is wrong) and rather than defending himself he's trying to probe whether axe believes himself

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:36 am Hally's back and forthing on me is really annoying but supremely towny.

Jay has just decided to do the thing where if he's mafia he just wins cuz he tries too hard.

Nanook's fury is probably not mafia aligned cuz he's a good boy. This read disgusts me.

Early game Mac thought Dizzy was super townie, then Dizzy annoyed me and I scumread him. But in reality Hally sheep plus my early game feel means he probs just town.

Kinda just feel like Axe is town but I guess I could be wrong.

Wilgy and C4 are not aligned by Jay's standards and also mine.

So my solve is like...

Axe
Wilgy/C4
Radishes

Jay has C4/Radishes not likely, and Radishes/Wilgy unaligned. C4/NAA is maybe but not overwhelming. I probably think like the way the other three here have treated Wilgy spews him town. Radish/Axe is nope.

Soooo C4/Axe is my solve I guess. Bye.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:43 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:22 pm Jay and mac already outed, mafia in shambles

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:40 pm Nanook town hally town Jay and mac getting rolled

Nanook spewing Mac as his partner.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:53 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 24, 2022 6:53 pm I don't know how tf that typo happened but it's canon now

Dr Pooed is surely just a nickname for Mac.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 1:56 am Catching up was fun until you all stopped talking about me. I'm going to stop and just assume Mac and NAA are voting me for no reason because it's them. I can see Alison's quoted on this page.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:45 pm Personally I think my page 1 Mac/Nook team has legs.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 6:27 pm [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

This is a reaction test.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:17 pm Here is my advice on what to do. First, eliminate Alison so that I won't die today.

If Alison flips scum, then eliminate Mac. If Mac is town, then eliminate Dizzy and Wilgy, in that order.

If Alison flips town, then eliminate me. I will flip town, whereupon which you should eliminate NAA and Wilgy.

I have about a 60% confidence that this solve wins the game. This may not seem like a lot of confidence, but it's actually quite a lot if you think about what I am proposing.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:43 pm What if the crowd of Jay, Hally, Dizzy, C4, Marmot, and I all rank Alison, NAA, Mac in preferred order and then find the average score to decide who dies.

(In this plan Wilgy and NAA are NPCs.)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:52 pm Alison > NAA > Mac > Nook

Not sure I'm ready for a Wilgy yeet at this stage.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 6:56 pm I've never, in admittedly more limited than you might expect experience, seen Jay treat someone the way he's treating Mac now. I find it interesting and probably alignment indicative.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:35 am Btw Mac to clarify something, I didn't, like, immediately agree with you about Jay when the Day started. Some of your later posts seemed to think I did.

I just had commented on seeing a difference from Jay in how he was treating a slot, i.e. he was not his cool and collected self, and felt at the time it was AI one way or another for him. (Having read up perhaps it isn't. I daresay it feels more v/v than not.)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 2:23 pm I should probably, like, iso someone before stating opinions, but yolo.

I've been mulling over Mac a lot lately. I'm trying to fit his actions into a narrative.

Scum!Mac survived D1 fairly easily albeit with sus draped over him. He comes into D2 with his team on the advantage (imagine a town chopping Alison hahahaha) and...goes on the attack against Jay(/Hally). He then backs off this, takes a thread break, and returns with different routes of solving. I suppose in this scenario, scum!Mac sensed he could be next on the block despite the Alison miss, and decides to go ham on a couple strong Towns for performance reasons, knowing how it could play out would lead to Jay/Hally calling him town for it. I think all of that fits well enough, actually? Like if someone would play that way it would be Mac. He has many different flavours to his scum meta, even if there are commonalities.

But the thing I can't quite get past is...the rest of it. He is the right amount of reluctant to let go of his Jay scumread at first, barely has thread presence for the middle portion of D2, then returns and takes a new direction in his solving and is even cooperative with Jay. That just feels real to me.

Without isoing anything to double check my impressions, I just want to call Mac town and risk being a fool. (Like of course he'd change his scum game after GoC - he couldn't risk approaching that meta at all - but this still feels organic.)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 01, 2022 3:29 pm C4,

Thanks for quoting all those. I'm going to refrain from commenting on your perspective until I iso Dizzy as you said we should w.r.t. Alison.

But what I get out of the Mac/Jay bit is that if Dizzy is town then Mac was solving and Jay was being opportunistic about it.