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by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:18 pm
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Topic: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [ENDGAME]
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 1]

MovingPictures07 wrote:So who wants to talk about this duel mechanic? It seems we would want to nominate the two most suspicious players (in lieu of one) similar to lynching, but is that necessarily the case? What if a player is suspicious but has a role type that is stronger in duels and keeps winning them? What do you all think?
In the immediate presence I don't think we should worry much about this when making our selections, but it might become more important as the game progresses and we develop a better understanding of players' potential dueling strength.

The two "baddie" factions appear to be the Yellow Turbans and the Nanman. Their dueling prowess is as follows:

Yellow Turbans:
1 leader - d6
2 strategists - d4
(all secrets)

Nanman:
1 leader - d6
4 warriors - d8

Purely from a dueling perspective, the Nanman appear significantly more potent. We'll need to keep that in mind as we proceed. Indeed, it might even be worth considering combining a town read with a baddie read in our voting pattern to try to arrange a winnable duel. That might even amount to people volunteering themselves to enter a duel if there is a consensus suspect present. I hope enough people are able to withhold their votes long enough for those discussions to develop.

The Yellow Turbans don't have the strength in their dice, but all three of them have *secrets* which I am sure are meant to make up the difference somehow.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:29 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

If it's unclear, this is specifically what I have found "annoying":

"We should be wary of supporting JJJ for prefect, if he's bad it could be a disaster.

On the other hand, I like this guy's cute picture." *vote*
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:25 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Turnip Head wrote:@Jay I didn't get the impression that there was any serious, actionable paranoia about you, though. :ponder: Did you? And would you not want to process that paranoia into your reads of players?
I don't think it was "serious" either. But it was still annoying. I do want to process that paranoia into my reads -- I just talked about that with MP.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:24 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

MovingPictures07 wrote:I agree that total neutrality is useless, but I feel I'd have to force myself to see something that isn't there to declare anyone a GTH read worth anything, so while I find your civilian leanings intriguing and worth discussion, I disagree there.

I do think that the mafia will have motive to get one of their number among the three prefects, but having hosted many times, I know baddie teams usually are disorganized, especially this early in the game. So I'm not inclined to throw suspicion at anyone trying really hard to become a prefect, because I can justify that it could be coming from a civilian really wanting to help out their team as well.

I think the better question now is: Why did you not share these thoughts until I pressed you for them, if you really hold GTH reads on players based on their Day 0 activity, even if slightly? Wouldn't it be prudent for a civilian JJJ to bring this up earlier in the Day 0 period as a matter of formal discussion, rather than to passively say "I'm sick of anti-me paranoia"? I'd argue that the way you approached this was anti-conducive to starting conversation regarding reads and opinions among the thread, which is what a civilian should strive to do.
I'm actively trying not to blow this thread up in Day 0. I don't want this massive player list to be filled with lurkers, and nothing inspires people to not bother with a game thread than one that gets away from them before the game even actually starts. I know this is atypical of my usual shtick, but it's what I've decided to do in this game. I am not going out of my way to say things and promote discussion, at least not yet. I'll do that when there's a proper lynch poll.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 12:11 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Turnip Head wrote:I think you bring up a good point though, Sock. Jay, why are you sick of anti-you paranoia on Day 0?
It's annoying to be at the center of consistent illogical paranoia even when it's understandable.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:33 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yellow: Should I take this to mean you believe these players are more likely civilian than not at this point, even if barely, or is it completely alignment indicative?
I would lean civilian on them right now. I am trying to eliminate/significantly reduce total neutrality in my Mafia play, because I think it's useless -- so they'd be town reads GTH.
MovingPictures07 wrote:Orange: Does this mean you find anyone doing this to be suspicious at this time, even if barely?
"Suspicious" is a stronger word than I'd use for it, but their conduct makes me less inclined to support their prefect candidacy rather than more. I think the baddies will have a stronger motive than the average townie to get at least one of their number among the three prefects, so I'd theorize they're more likely to promote themselves however they must. It's a guess.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:19 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Golden wrote:Jay, why did you vote for yourself?
I think I'm suited for the task and I got sick of all the anti-me paranoia. I'm not really seeing much to instill confidence about other people anyway. Perhaps I'm arrogant, but oh well. I also expected to be gone through the deadline, but apparently me and sleep don't mix right now.
Jay, I have a question for you.

Here you noted you got sick of anti-you paranoia. Did you think any player's paranoia was specifically either or both: (I) particularly illogical or unwarranted; (II) suspicious at face value?
I) I would say it is illogical yes, but still understandable. It comes with the territory when I play the way I play.

II) I've been considering this though Day 0. The prevailing narrative has been that I am a civilian asset and a dangerous baddie, so it might not be worth the risk of putting power in my hands. What hasn't been acknowledged is that this works both ways -- baddies can have the same ulterior motive to resist me receiving power as a townie that I could have as a baddie myself pursuing that power. I've decided though that I don't think it's suspicious. Those who promoted this perspective the most (DDL, Bass, and Scotty perhaps among others) did so in such a way that it appears more like genuine paranoia than an underhanded tactic to weaken my influence. If someone out there is a bad guy trying to acquire power, I think it's more likely he/she/they'd be among the people making a show of their candidacy (banners, Trump impersonations, etc).
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:35 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

I swear y'all should go to 100 posts per page. I'm not even into page 3! Obviously the thread is the same length, but it feels less overwhelming to me when I look down at the page clickers.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:23 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

I am insufferable. :grin:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Aug 17, 2016 3:47 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Golden wrote:Jay, why did you vote for yourself?
I think I'm suited for the task and I got sick of all the anti-me paranoia. I'm not really seeing much to instill confidence about other people anyway. Perhaps I'm arrogant, but oh well. I also expected to be gone through the deadline, but apparently me and sleep don't mix right now.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:24 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No strong civ/bad reads here, but if I had to pick... I guess Glorfindel is giving me a good vibe, like hs is being honest, though that might be because I've lynched him for saying things I disagreed with heavily before, so I'm kind of used to his meta. But I don't know what bad Glorfindel looks like so... yeah.

Also Eloh questioned me and that felt sincere too.

I dunno, to early to say anything strongly.
Is insertnamehere more likely to be civilian than the mean?
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:15 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Who do you feel is more likely to be civilian than the mean as of right now, DDL?
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:34 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Epignosis wrote:So many unread rules. :ponder:
12. Votes are not changeable. In addition, you will have two votes to cast in every poll. Submit both votes at the same time, or you will lose your second vote. If you cast more than two votes, none of your votes will be counted. Self-voting is permitted.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:17 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

insertnamehere wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I am considering however the potential that the paranoia about giving me more power is either rooted in or supported by people who don't want that power in my town hands. :ponder:
sounds like someone took my earlier post seriously.
Huh
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:15 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

I am considering however the potential that the paranoia about giving me more power is either rooted in or supported by people who don't want that power in my town hands. :ponder:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 5:08 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Bass_the_Clever wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:JJJ, why would you be happy to serve as prefect?
It sounds fun. I trust myself more than I trust other people. I'm confident that I'll maintain as consistent an active presence in this game as I always do.
I've only played a two maybe 3 games with you in the past but you seemed to hold a lot of sway with people during those games. What's scares me is someone who holds that kind of sway and gets this power ends up being bad. Sorry for putting on my tin foil hat so fast, but this Is mafia.
I understand. I'm not going to put a great deal of energy into campaigning for myself. All I'll do is pledge to give my best effort, and state my appreciation to those who have voted for me.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:54 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

DrWilgy wrote:JJJ, why would you be happy to serve as prefect?
It sounds fun. I trust myself more than I trust other people. I'm confident that I'll maintain as consistent an active presence in this game as I always do.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:19 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Scotty wrote:Linki: JJJ- honestly no wrinkles, but casual is fine. Don't wear the same color shirt as pants, and don't wear a shirt that is smelly or has offensive writing.for a first coffee date, it's all in the confidence and simplicity. Good hygiene is a plus.
One of my votes is covered. The other will go to someone who is overtly town in appearance.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:15 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Not exactly. We want our bad metas to look like our civ metas, but a lot of us have civ metas not as thorough or pro-active as they can be, so the baddie counterpart to those metas are easier to make. We don't look that good all the time, so when we actually are bad, people don't detect it that easily.

But Jay? Like you said, he is the perfect civ. He is the town leader, the pro-active guy, the king of TL;DRs. And he tries to make his baddie meta look exactly like that (Ive never seen it myself, but he has described it that way). And that makes him a more dangerous baddie than most. Its harder to pull that metaboff successfully, but if he does it, we have a problem.

So I tend to be paranoid and avoid easily trustingnplayers like him. A good parallel to that is Marco from my forum, who plays a similar way.
I certainly try. I've gotten better with experience, but I still seem to draw evil roles less frequently than the mean. I finally got my first real chance to spread my demon wings on The Syndicate recently, and it was a success -- but there are clear differences in my games between alignments that I've not yet fixed. Thankfully for me they seem to go unnoticed though. :p
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:11 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Turnip Head wrote:Jorts
*visits Google*

:eek:

I guess I'm in good shape then. That's all I own.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:08 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

I might be willing to vote for someone who can tell me what I am supposed to wear on a coffee date. I never learned social attire. Or social anything.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:15 am
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My votes will go to two players who show me that they have the desire and the motivation to work for the greater good. Inspire me, and bring honor to your family.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:26 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No.

I think the warning is still useful, though.
I dig.

While I don't think it will be practical to form an "informed" perspective of anyone in these 48 hours of Day 0, I have so far withheld my own votes to at least get a first look at people before giving them the keys to my car. In that regard we seem to be in a similar place.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:10 am
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Judge people based on this game, not on how much of a good civ they tend to be.
Do you have judgments to render of people based on this game right now?
by JaggedJimmyJay
Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:56 pm
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"Photo courtesy of Jay Town"

Let that be a signal. :noble:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:54 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Why not. I like a good platypus.

Image
by JaggedJimmyJay
Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:42 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

:scared:

We need to make posts immediately so that that isn't the first thing I see when I open this thread.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:15 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Golden wrote:I rolled a role.

I didn't read the thread yet. I will at some point. Hi and bye!
Focus on the other game, it's shorter anyway. I'm perfectly content to give you that space in this one.

Golden is playing in the champions tournament for those unaware, and it will demand much of his Mafia attention. Let's give him a break here. Please nobody talk about that game here though except in the appropriate spectator area.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:39 pm
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Re: Romance of the Three Kingdoms [Day 0]

Hey gang. I am mentally prepared for thousands of posts, even if I have to make half of them. :p

I'd be happy to serve as a prefect. Y'all know what you're getting from me in a Mafia game and I pledge to provide my best effort as time permits (time should permit quite a lot right now). There are a bunch of good candidates; I'll wait to see how others feel about the position before endorsing anyone specific. Some people might not have the time or the inclination.

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