The Syndicate

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 pm Learn to read.

Why are you switching your vote? Take responsibility for the mess you've pushed for multiple day phases.

Because I think you're a civilian. I don't give a shit about any mess or your pitiful insults. I give a shit about where my vote is when the deadline arrives.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:52 pm I already argued this with you. You are either being purposefully daft to what I meant (especially since I explained it afterwards and you still kept pushing me being vague), or braindead . Pick your poison

I'm not the only one who didn't know what the hell you meant. You've loved to cite "other people" in this argument. Here's one for you. Is everyone who doesn't know what you meant either bullshitting or braindead?

Depends on if they are scum with you or your town and they are just parroting you because of your status here. Not sure why "interesting" in the post context would be confusing to anyone who has passed middle school tbf.

Your clarity is shit. Write better.

[VOTE: rundonwalk] aubergine

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:44 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pm Mac being weird about trying to Buddy me earlier in game seemed scummy. Calling me his son

Looks like something scum would do to cause confusion late game

MacDougall would call you his son to cause confusion later in the game?

It wasn't just that. It was the other early interactions too.his claiming to know I'm scum to see who would bite.

It was a pattern of behavior that suggests scum trying to tie himself to a particular town

Do you presently suspect MacDougall?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:53 pm The Dr.White is an easy lynch. JJJ is going after easy lynches early on. Dr.White? Iron Dwarf?

Fuck off with this "easy lynch". Is he a civilian?

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:52 pm I already argued this with you. You are either being purposefully daft to what I meant (especially since I explained it afterwards and you still kept pushing me being vague), or braindead . Pick your poison

I'm not the only one who didn't know what the hell you meant. You've loved to cite "other people" in this argument. Here's one for you. Is everyone who doesn't know what you meant either bullshitting or braindead?

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I however found JJJ "strong town reading" Colonial interesting, since it was solely on the grounds of him listing his own reads. Mafia can easily do that as well as to not appear like they are parroting . That is a very interesting link given the colonial-Mac dynamic.

Vague shit.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 pm That's complete and utter bullshit JJJ and you know it. You are clearly being super daft at the original quote, which you have been called out for by others.

Read my mind, JaggedJimmyJay.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:35 pmkeep questioning my blatant as hell meaning with the quote

Read my mind, JaggedJimmyJay.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:55 pm > It means others have noticed your blatant bullshitting about not knowing what I meant. Very simple.

Read my mind, JaggedJimmyJay.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:46 pm Uhm... I did?

And you demanded that I have the superpower of reading your mind.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:43 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:39 pm
There is at least one scum on my wagon. Don't let JJj and his nonsense keep you guys going all game. Lynch him next.

Why do you think JJJ is the scum?

His arguments have been pretty shit tier and he's been tunnelling me since I came at him, almost ibsessively. And now I'm getting lynched on bs. So when I flip town just remember the people that started this. It's likely 1-2 scum on me while the others follow random wagons tk steer clear. People with more status are more likely to push me

At what point in our dialogue do you think a civilian JJJ should have reasonably changed his mind about you?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pm Mac being weird about trying to Buddy me earlier in game seemed scummy. Calling me his son

Looks like something scum would do to cause confusion late game

MacDougall would call you his son to cause confusion later in the game?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:36 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:33 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:27 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:22 pm @ColinIsCool the only thing I don't get is why you brought the nightkill into it when we were barely halfway into the day phase?

I straight up don't understand this question any time anybody's asked it. Because the things you do in the day phase affect how the mafia perceives you and if you get nightkilled on day 1, you don't live to day 2, and you can't contribute useful information/win the game? Is there a difference in fundamental game mechanics between this site and everywhere else in the universe Mafia is played that I'm not getting?

Because he still has ~24 hours to talk about why he asked his question and what he felt like he learned. He doesn't want to do so before everybody has responded because that skews what responses he gets.

Obviously ridiculous example: "please everybody name your favorite animal"
*answers by some but not all*
"Hey Epi why did you ask this?"
"Well see anybody who mentions a predator is scientifically proven to be mafia"
*remaining players all name fuzzy herbivores*

Did those last players respond honestly or because they knew what he waa looking for?

CBob on Colin:
Both of the CBob posts here are kind of outrageous. The first one comes out of nowhere and is not as far as I can tell directly related to anything in the thread. It rehashes an old argument from hours ago that got some swing the first time.
Where Colin's response is directly an answer to the question posed by CBob, CBob's counter response is not about that response at all. It goes back to the "Colin not answering Epi" thing, another argument already dissected in thread.
CBob switches off his vote half an hour later.

I don't agree with your interpretation. Thread of the dialogue:

~ colonialbob asks Colin why he was concerned about night kill dynamics re: Epi in the middle of the day phase.
~ Colin responds with incredulity and discusses the longer-term potential of day phase chatter to motivate night phase decisions of the mafia team.
~ colonialbob retorts that Epi still had half the day phase in front of him to do his thing with his exercise, relating to the core question about why Colin didn't Epi that time before raising his gripe about night kills. colonialbob draws an analogy to describe why Epi might not want to reveal his hand.

What's the problem in this thread?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:36 pm I think he's slightly more likely to be scum than MacDougall. Idk if he's scum. My point in saying that was that like if gwilikers is scum I don't think y'all should think I'm automatically town. Likewise I could see scum Mac trying to get a free ride to finish line

I "could" see that too. It is a possibility among many. Is there a particular reason you have for suspecting that is the possibility of interest? What about a civilian MacDougall being suspicious of DDL?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:33 pm Cool story, bro.

There are times when the shtick is not advisable. Here is one such time. You should address the shit.

Of the posts you've cited, Epignosis, the one I find most compelling is the first:

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:38 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:36 pm You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?

Damn you're his teammate.

I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?

That does have the scent of TMI.

I'm hesitant to play let's pair teammates together when we haven't flipped a single role, but RDW should discuss his degree of confidence in DDL as a mafia read.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:23 pm JaggedJimmyJay I think you're off by an hour, the deadline should be in 2.5 hours

You're right, I forgot it's central time.

AUBERGINE

[4] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime, Iron_Dwarf
[1] Iron_Dwarf - gwilikers6
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - rundontwalk
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] TonyStarkPrime - colonialbob
[1] rundontwalk - Epignosis
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[5] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, ColinIsCool, nutella, speedchuck
[1] sig - sprityo
[1] lapluie - Quin

No vote: Dr. White, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con

Deadline is in approximately 90-98 minutes.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:04 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:30 pm IronDwarf because of his silly vote against me showing he didn't bother to read full exchange with JJJ

Can't really see anything substantial there. And this is not really a defense.

RDW's vote on me was tacked to a strong suggestion that he had role-based information against me. Soon after he admitted he only bodyguarded me, meaning the vote wasn't driven by real stuff [beyond his desire to test me, presumably]. Given that he was open about this and that you didn't seem to notice that, what is your perspective now about his vote for me?

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:09 pmthe most important case is the draft thing

I will literally fight you.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:08 pm JaggedJimmyJay Quin tell me about lapluie

She's a suspect by pure meta. Her first game ever on the site was the fast-paced Mortal Kombat, and she hit the ground running. She wasn't afraid of the new environment and involved herself frequently in dialogues all over the thread. This time, even when acknowledging that her time is more restricted by wi-fi issues I believe she mentioned somewhere, her appearances in the thread have been considerably less inspired (hi Quin). She doesn't look comfortable.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:02 pm He hasn't addressed my question except for a vague "ISO" and no response to a request for specifics.

The wording is awkward, though I wouldn't say I find it suspicious. It at least begs clarification.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention], if I correct your initial comment to your intention, I get "I've given up on being unable to read cbob". I still don't know what that means in the context of a post containing a vote for him. What were you trying to say?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:59 pm JaggedJimmyJay my backstory is dubbed the Crazy Flirt if that helps you at all

I have paid nearly no attention to the discussion of backstory. I'm not concerned with it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:52 pm sprityo, what do you think about people suggesting you're the Five Finger General Ring role?

They’re grasping at straws trying to find something suitable to lynch me for after I already explained what my backstory was. I refuse to believe I’m the only one with the backstory since Mac and whoever else have the same condition. Unless that’s the one specific case


I don’t think dunya meant it as a serious discussion topic, yet some people (DDL) appear to think otherwise

Is that an accusation?

[mention]sprityo[/mention], what do you think about people suggesting you're the Five Finger General Ring role?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:10 pm I'm currently on TSP

Everybody is ignoring my case, I feel like JJJ during the early parts of this phase ;_;

Gimme a direct link and I'll take a look. I'm a bit distracted at the moment.

If not Dr. White I think my next lynch would be lapluie.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:49 pmAnd there's a new one on some Dr. White? Yeah, haven't seen him yet either. Didn't know he existed.

Here, have a case

This is still my preferred lynch. I recognize that some of this stuff might look like Day 1 caliber accusations, but that's pretty much where we are after the no lynch.

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:48 pm

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:46 pm also wait rdw did you mean DDL when you said "dr" in that one post? I'm so confused I assumed it was either Dr. White or DrWilgy but your response implies DDL

I thought it was Doctor Dragon Fluff or something

It's Dragon Dick Luffy.

Porn Names Mafia [Full Game]

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:43 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:41 pm I just checked and I’ve only been scum 5 times, the last time was 6 years ago. O.o

If JJJ doesn't jump at this fallacy he is scum too

"The passage of time" is my favorite logical fallacy.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:40 pmLike you can call me scum all day long and I will laugh in your face cause you're wrong and I'm right

I've missed this beautiful nonsense in my mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:14 pm JaggedRimmyJay I have a question for you?

How much wood would speedchuck chuck if speedchuck could cuck Sig?

6

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:01 pmThere's been other, more drive-by-y votes that haven't gotten attention.

Which ones?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:26 pm please stop posting the nutella cheese :[

Maybe I should have included a trigger warning.

I don't see a good reason to tie sprityo's talk about the danger of his receiving votes with the Five Finger General Ring slot. Indeed I think he was trying not to get lynched, not some kind of reverse psychology. That doesn't make him a civilian, but the specific connection drawn here strikes me as spurious.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:21 pm EBWOP with the link.

I called this Iron-Dwarf vote a drive-by. I didn't really think much of it, just called it what it was.


It was the votes before that, namely the ones I listed in this post that I didn't like.

[mention]colonialbob[/mention], I looked through your posts and didn't see you directly addressing Marmot's grievances here. Unless I missed it, you should do that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:46 pm @Marmot
@Kites
@TonyStarkPrime

Tell me about the effort to lynch colonialbob.

The effort is real. More real than then nutella toast.

You said he was drive-by voting. Which votes would you characterize that way, and why do you feel that's suspicious?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:02 pm There's scum among IronDwarf/gwilikers/dr/kites

I think y'all are overlooking gwilikers. Would town gwilikers be so so invested?

Which "dr"?

gwilly was often one of the most invested civilians we had on RYM before he started running out of energy to play. He was generally a high-rate contributor regardless of alignment. What do you think he'd be doing here in town form?

AUBERGINE

[1] Quin - nutella
[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[1] Iron_Dwarf - speedchuck
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - rundontwalk
[1] nutella - Quin
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] Kenway - colonialbob
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy
[3] Dr. White - JaggedJimmyJay, MacDougall, ColinIsCool

No vote: Dr. White, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, sprityo

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:53 pm Roygbiv

Are your reads in a state of constant quantum fluctuation?

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:42 pm ArrDeeDubbleyou: Surprise, surprise, he's all over the place. Clearly does not stand by anything he says beyond the point at which he says it. An easy style to play as scum cuz no one can hold you accountable, and he has the meta to get away with it. I see no reason to trust him.

Fair. I can't say that I have a clear idea where RDW's reads stand right now given that he has thrown them around with reckless abandon. It is true to form, but perhaps to the point of caricature.

[mention]rundontwalk[/mention], a rainbow list or something similar from you would be super.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:15 pm and also, do you think long con cares about the roof war?

I would not give Long Con confident civilian credit. I would expect him to give at least a third of a shit about looking the part if he's a mafioso. My willingness to stand on that defense is very limited though.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:15 pm @JaggedJimmyJay plz tell me about Dr. White

and also, do you think long con cares about the roof war?

Some of this is going to be a rehash.


I think people ignored the problems with this post because I chose to highlight it with the "interestings" found in it for meme value. Let's try instead focusing on the quality of the content.

Green: he implied that Mac's provisions of intuited reads don't even qualify as a contribution. That's bullshit. He can question their sincerity, but to say they are nothing is a ridiculous smear. It also came on the heels of colonialbob's anti-Mac stance, so there's room for opportunism.

Red: Dr. White observes my town read on colonialbob and then proceeds to make vague assertions about how interesting it is. I don't know what this actually means. This became a problem later.

Cyan: This just looks fake to me. He was really put off by a vote which may have been, by his own admission, a pressure vote. Meh.

Yellow: Neither of these comments amounts to anything.


He bit hard on that "interesting" bait with this response. He implies here that he was reading me as a mafioso (but again doesn't actually say it), and that "pegging me right" incited my linguistic poke. He didn't peg me as anything. He called me interesting. He said vague things. Refer again to the red-colored content in the prior post.


Dr. White clarified his vagueness here. It was difficult for me to get this clarification out of him. It covers the full gamut of "JJJ and colonialbob being interesting" and amounts to general suspicion. I complained about the lack of clarity and as such our argument exploded:


"That is clear and utter bullshit JJJ and you know it -- This is where Dr. White starts insisting that his initial meaning should have been obvious, and that my failure to acknowledge that is suspicious. This again refers to the red-colored statement in the first post I've provided here. That shit is not obvious in any universe, and that he so forcibly pushed that crap on me looks like Caught for the Wrong Reasons. He hates being suspected for the reason I provided and pushed back hard, but in doing so only managed to spew a bunch of nonsense. I hate it. It got worse.

He continued to double-down on the notion that what he said had an obvious meaning -- No. Absolutely not. I don't think he could have responded much worse to my accusations.

A number of people encountered two people screaming at each other, rolled their eyes, assumed civ-civ, and ignored it. It wasn't until more recently that I was able to get people to look more closely to get my points across.

The separate notion of his handling of the draft specifically pertaining to Marmot and Iron_Dwarf doesn't mean a whole lot to me, because that's highly speculative and mechanistic. I don't think that can be reliably utilized. Maybe you'll disagree. I think he looks bad anyway.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:07 pm My opinion on CBob is that he’s done a lot of set up, where he took some posts and gave the argument for why the posts were scummy without saying so. Someone else can pick up the argument later and he doesn’t have to try and carry it. Also an easy way for mafia to create the appearance of majority support without having to commit that many members to a cause.
Overall day 1 he notably pressured RDW, Colin, and Quin in this way, but RDW was saying crazy things and deserved it. Colin and Quin both were pushed as feasible Day 1 lynches but Cbob ended up on Rabbit even though his arguments against the two carried on and almost led to lynch.

Would you be able to point to the specific posts about Colin and Quin which give you this impression?

Colin Quinn is an unfunny relic of Saturday Night Live.

I'm irked that Dr. White addressed the point I care the least about (Marmot/Dwarf and DraftGate) and bailed. Let's kill him. I'll start.

[VOTE: Dr. White] aubergine

[mention]Marmot[/mention]
[mention]Kites[/mention]
[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

Tell me about the effort to lynch colonialbob.

AUBERGINE

[1] Quin - nutella
[3] colonialbob - Marmot, Kites, TonyStarkPrime
[3] Iron_Dwarf - JaggedJimmyJay, ColinIsCool, speedchuck
[2] Dragon D. Luffy - rundontwalk, MacDougall
[1] nutella - Quin
[1] Marmot - sig
[1] Kenway - colonialbob
[1] rundontwalk - Iron_Dwarf
[1] dunya - DrWilgy
[1] Long Con - Dragon D. Luffy

No vote: Dr. White, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, sprityo

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 5:55 pm Ey, JJJ is in this game! Is he silenced today?

Come and play, JJJ

Hi speedchuck. JJJ has too much to do right now. Headache. Mafia hurts me.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:05 pm Dr. White
MacDougall
Dragon D. Luffy
sig
rundontwalk
Kites

I'd like to hear more about these reads at least briefly. I screwed up the code when I snipped, so the shades of colors might be different.

I'm not interested in voting for DDL.

speedchuck has no posts and it's already Day 2. Scum read.

nutella keeps operating in my shadow. So unfortunate.

I have very little read on Kites. Let's take a look.


Kites stood for Kenway in the dialogue about the latter's assumption that drafting would occur during the drafting process. The assumption about the draft means little to me, because the mafia team literally might not have realized that until they were informed of their selections. The clear, positive stance taken on Kenway is more important though and is noted.


I'm not sure what importance gender has if anything. The question isn't likely to produce much of interest.


The comment about Wilgy is an observation but not a read. I like reads more. I'll also note that the purported randomly selected teammates for the Don Kites are given specific examples. Those two are more random than others?


He cast doubt on Dwarf for being quiet. I think the point is as fair as any other "lurker guy is scummy" point. It's an easy to make or to fake.


I kind of love this. While a newcomer like Kites may not entirely realize that poking Epignosis is a dangerous game for a bad guy, by this point I do think some of the Epi character had shown itself in the thread. The exercise definitely had, and Kites was clearly not afraid of that shit. He went after it. I don't agree with his argument, but I don't care. When I consider the player and the delivery, it looks good to me.


What made you feel that you were playing so poorly to this point, Kites?


This is another instance of argument I don't agree with, but a conveyance of the argument that I like. Unles there's a mafia teammate among the two Kites named, there's no great motive for him to stand in the defense of players who have done nothing. When you start tacking on "unless", you've inherently reduced the probability of the outcome in question.


It's also nice that despite his reservations about Epi's exercise, Kites was willing to credit it when it was turned into a product. He acknowledged it, stated his perspective relative to the conclusions Epi drew, and didn't rail against it unreasonably.

He isn't afraid to go against the grain with his rainbow list, at least with some players (Epignosis and colonialbob stand out on the bottom end. Dr. White stands out on the top. Tell me about that read please, Kites, before my twitching eyeball twitches itself out of its socket.

~~~

Conclusion

I think Kites looks pretty good. It isn't immediately apparent without doing this ISO work, because his posts tend to be concise. He isn't blending though. I'd give him a sweet lime green skittle.