The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:20 pm
karavalenge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:36 pm Yeah, there's not any real reason to hide it since Speed brought it up.

I floo'd him today to see who the "other" person was he referred to who interacted with Long Con and he complied and told me.

In return I let him know that my Night 3 action was to Diricawl with him, which does not appear to have affected anything.
I don't like this much. Why did kara need to know?

For kara to be bad with this mind frame, can speedchuck also be bad?

One easy question to ask is "do we believe that karavalenge used a floo powder to talk to speedchuck in BTSC?"

Obviously this is not necessary if they're both mafia members. We could WIFOM all day about it, but I am inclined to believe it at face value. I think that'd reflect well on kara and mean nothing for speedchuck.

Also entirely plausible that speedchuck and kara are both full of poop and there is no ??? -- this is all made up CARP

Or Quin targeted LC with something other than a patronus and didn't target Sloonei with shit

[mention]Quin[/mention], why did you target Sloonei?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:42 pm Also I haven't seen Kara in most scum POEs.

They've been out of pretty much all of them I've seen what are you on about or am I on something?

kara's in my POE.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!
I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.
diricrawl cannot switch actions directed at one person to another, diricrawl can only switch actions directed at the owner to another. speedchuck has maintained the first, which is a mechanical impossibility.

he also says his floo powder buddy is the reason for this, who can only be a Slytherin since they last won the house cup.

His floo power buddy is karavalenge. I see. I'll let speedchuck have at it while I

.

Oh boy speedchuck is here. There's gonna be a fight.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:34 pm Speedchuck just confirmed himself as scum and that his teammate is in Slytherin. Nice!

I don't get it. Please explain while I sit with my legs crossed and listen nice a nice boy.

I tanked in Mega Man and it was the only time I've ever been killed on Night 1.

I don't think DH is bad though. He's silly to suggest or imply that mafia-aligned strategies don't exist or don't make sense for his actions in this game, but actions are only half the battle. I don't think he sounds like a bad guy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 pm Also with 2, you don't actually try to unfuck them right? You just hope a civilian does it for you, and you pivot to 3 if the civilians just go for your option.
No, if I set myself on the distancing or bussing course I don't tend to revert. The best example that I can recall was Day 1 of Transistor, when there was a 6-vote civilian wagon, and my whole team bussed Elohcin up to 5 votes over the last stretch of the day. She survived, eventually died and flipped, we all looked great, and the civilians looked like goofs. Evil JJJ 101.
You mean yes right? Or am I misunderstanding. That sounds to me like you are just describing the same thing I am.

Yeah we generally agree. No/yes ambiguity.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:12 pm Also with 2, you don't actually try to unfuck them right? You just hope a civilian does it for you, and you pivot to 3 if the civilians just go for your option.

No, if I set myself on the distancing or bussing course I don't tend to revert. The best example that I can recall was Day 1 of Transistor, when there was a 6-vote civilian wagon, and my whole team bussed Elohcin up to 5 votes over the last stretch of the day. She survived, eventually died and flipped, we all looked great, and the civilians looked like goofs. Evil JJJ 101.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:09 pm The only doubt I have about it is that it is a dangerous game to be distancing/bussing a teammate when you already have two dead and it's only day three, but given we see that they have resurrected one ... shenanigans may be at play. Not to mention it is that very thought that makes it an even better play tbh. Like, even with me on his case like this I doubt I'll be able to get DH lynched until late game at best. Which is exactly why he would have done all of this if he was Mafia.

Jay are you baked?

I wish I was baked. How do you feel when I tell you that the resurrection was likely caused by accident because juliets tried to bring back TH?

I'm actually trying to think back to a time when, as a mafioso, I have "saved" my teammate in an EOD scenario. It seems likely that it's happened before, but I cannot remember any single example. My mafioso M.O. tends to be one of these three things:

1 - Case and annihilate a civilian such that there is minimal wagon drama
2 - Case a teammate just enough to ensure they almost get lynched but survive (so that I'm on the correct but failed wagon)
3 - Case a teammate and burn them at the stake without mercy

DH isn't in my POE pool.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:47 pm Paying my bills rn, you guys

o rly just paying your bills right

just like a decent honest citizen right

nothing shady at all, perfectly innocent stuff

OR NOT

hahaha fucking mafia man

lol nutella

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:18 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:17 pmlol
?

Don’t mind me, carry on.

You can have the rest of the fun, Mac. I’m finished.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:33 pm I trust Long Con less than I did when the day began. Whatever doubts I have stem from here. Someone argue with those points while I am in class.
Wow thats weird

Irrelevant. Am I bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:17 pm ....Overstated how my guy

I built the case that got him lynched..... like... excuse?

Go back and show me that people voted for Long Con because you made a case. I seriously didn’t even know you made a case when I voted for LC.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 pm "The only case DH built D3 was against his teammate and he got his teammate lynched even when the poll was a fuckin million-way tie and he coulda jumped ship but he didn't because he wanted his teammate to waste a lynch save because he wanted to out his teammate and the existence of lynch saves and himself"

Cool theory.
Straw men don’t survive lynches. I think you’ll be the next.
What're you on about? Blowharding and Neganing aside I genuinely do not get the logic in "DH went through all that shit to distance himself from Long Con for no reason out of the blue ass nowhere"

But sure go ahead fuck wth me see whats up.

It wasn’t really “all that shit”. Part of the reason this works is how much and how often you have overstated the role you had in that lynch.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:13 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:12 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:08 pmWhy did I do that.
It’s a token distancing tactic when you think a civilian is getting lynched anyway.
Hey I dunno if you've played a game with me ever in your life before but I don't fuck with token shit fam. I'm elevated. I'm God-Tier. They write books about my shit. GOML.

Trust me, you’re token.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:11 pm "The only case DH built D3 was against his teammate and he got his teammate lynched even when the poll was a fuckin million-way tie and he coulda jumped ship but he didn't because he wanted his teammate to waste a lynch save because he wanted to out his teammate and the existence of lynch saves and himself"

Cool theory.

Straw men don’t survive lynches. I think you’ll be the next.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:08 pmWhy did I do that.

It’s a token distancing tactic when you think a civilian is getting lynched anyway.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:58 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:52 pm Anyway there's not much value in hammering speedchuck much more. There's clearly some "deep wolf" as they say (it's DharmaHelper).
Do you bite your thumb at me sir?
You appeared from nowhere to respond to that one eh?
Define "from nowhere."

That sounds like a waste of my time.

You built a shoddy case on LC for distance and didn’t expect a wagon to balloon as it did due to other suspicions. You were prepared though since you knew he’d survive.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:52 pm Anyway there's not much value in hammering speedchuck much more. There's clearly some "deep wolf" as they say (it's DharmaHelper).
Do you bite your thumb at me sir?

You appeared from nowhere to respond to that one eh?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:52 pm Anyway there's not much value in hammering speedchuck much more. There's clearly some "deep wolf" as they say (it's DharmaHelper).

It’s a possibility I have given a non-zero amount of thought to. Whaddya got?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:14 pm linki: JJJ might have more things.

Hello hello, so I couldnsn't help but overheard... you ehhh, you lookin' for reads? Let me tell you what my friends, I think I might have just the ting you need. I got reads. I got loads of reads. Dis is your lucky day, eh? Eh heh heh yeah you know it. Hey sir, why don't you let me give one to your little boy here, free of charge. Best reads in town, or they don't call me Supertown Jimmy, see?

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:08 pmAre people suspecting Sloonei based on LC's vote for Turnip? Or are there other things I'm not remembering?

Sloonei stuff.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:54 pm

What will happen to either of Quin/speed if the other flips scum?
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speed flipping mafia would bode nicely for Quin, though I'd need to fully review matters before offering up a clearance.

Quin flipping mafia wouldn't do as much for speed, because one cannot just ignore a red check.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:46 pm Speedchuck c'mon. You would never be suspicious of me if you were town.
If you were town and I was scum I'd be staying the heck away TBH. You got too much bite for me.

You just gotta bite back. Mac loves it when you nibble.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:26 pm jay, how would each of you rank these suspects from least to most suspicious?

Least to most:

karavalenge
Jackofhearts2005
sprityo
Slowner
Quin
speedzeye

INH is redundant. I need to remove one name from my pool to feel comfortable.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:48 pm I am almost certain that Quin tried to Patronus Long Con and my other visitor broke through it with the Elder Wand. Surprisingly, it requires the least assumptions.

Ironically, if Quin did summon a patronus for Long Con, then timmer really did waste it by declining to pull the trigger last night. So Quin's complaint was valid.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:30 pm What about horocruxes?

If those are a thing and there's more than one, then that's poop. We'll have to see.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:28 pm That's like being outraged because it's raining. There's nothing you can do about it. It happened, and now I have to deal with it. I'd rather be outraged when people scumread me for staying calm, because what even is that?

The comparison is not accurate. You spent zero seconds exploring the potential that poutanko wasn't being truthful, which doesn't even have to reflect a mafia alignment.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:26 pm I'm saying I need to be more engaged in general if I'm going to be able to offer the sort of reads you (and I) would like to see. It's been harder to find time/energy for that than I was anticipating. Even now I'm just poking my head on this thread while I'm in the middle of doing something else.

Jack
kara
Luna
Mac
Quin
Bullzeye \ speed
sprityo

Go.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:24 pm Remaining scum are in this pile: INH, Speed, Sloonei, Quin, Luna, sprit. Objections?

My POE is the same, except Luna is swapped for Jack.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:19 pm I have not read, so it makes sense that i wouldn't have reads.

So you're saying you need to... catch up?

karavalenge wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:11 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:55 pm Sloonei, could you please provide some quick gut reads on the people you didn't remove from your POE pool?
kara - I'm hardly aware that they're in the game. That's as much my fault as theirs, but they've been quiet so there's not much I can do here (unless, you know, I start to read things)

I've just been quietly trying to get myself killed in the Night phases so I can pass peacefully in my sleep rather than worry about arguments.

I'm sorry if the game has been a headache, kara. We can be an intense bunch sometimes, but it's just because we're chums who know each other well and like to win. I'm glad you're playing with us and I hope you continue to do so!

You might suspect me for being nice again, but that's okay. I'm not worried about it. I want new people to enjoy their time here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:11 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:55 pm Sloonei, could you please provide some quick gut reads on the people you didn't remove from your POE pool?
Jack - He was my first suspect based on a very minimal reading of his posts. I haven't abandoned that, but I also haven't followed up on it. I've not seen him doing anything alarming since my initial accusation, but I also haven't looked too closely. He'd be in the closest-to-neutral tier of scum reads on a hypothetical rainbow list.

This is not a read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:11 pmkara - I'm hardly aware that they're in the game. That's as much my fault as theirs, but they've been quiet so there's not much I can do here (unless, you know, I start to read things)

This is not a read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:11 pmLuna - Town read, but not comfortable taking her out of this pool. The way INH treated her did not strike me as a teammate interaction.

Why aren't you comfortable?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:11 pmMac - I never really can read Mac even though we've been playing together for 100 years. I haven't discerned any notable scum-tells in that time. Sometimes I pick up on town-tells though, and I haven't done that here. As I mentioned in my last post, he seems like someone to talk about after the current episode ends.

This is not a read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:11 pmQuin - Implicated in a night action dispute with speed. Questions all around, and it seems prudent to pursue one of these two.

This is not a read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:11 pmspeedchuck - Implicated in a night action dispute with quin. Questions all around, and it seems prudent to pursue one of these two. I might favor speed's version of events if not for the other evidence (poutanko's ID) against him.

This is not a read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:11 pmsprit - Has sprit done anything yet?

This is not a read.

F-minus

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:08 pm Why would I be redirected, though? Especially to Timmer?

If they know you're a watcher, redirecting you to the Not Kill Target would be the idea.

This is all convoluted and I am leaning in the direction of not caring. Straight up reads are more reliable at this point, IMO.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 3:09 pm This one time I caught Golden and this was a secret code for me to point back to later.

Are you talking about Phenon? I've been thinking about that one.

People suspect me a lot less when I was Calvin than they do when I'm angry bear.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:57 pmd. telling the truth, and Speed was redirected to Sloon or Timmer for some reason. If I went to Timmer and then Quin protected him, the other person I saw would be an evil dark arts user.

Thoughts?

I don't get it. Please restate another way.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention], could you please provide some quick gut reads on the people you didn't remove from your POE pool?

[mention]Quin[/mention], why did you select Sloonei as your other patronum target? If you already said this somewhere just point the way.

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