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nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:59 pm @nutella why sprityo

Every time he attempts to participate he just flails and it's like he's trying to appear natural and reckless bit it's just awkward

k

I wouldn't quite say he "flails", but I don't like him any more than I did before so sure.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:29 pm I think the case against LC is poor. This isn’t uncertainty or doubt like with Rej D1, it’s just a perception that the case is *bad*. Rej’s voting behavior makes very little sense if LC is his teammate.

Dragomir could be for the refused vote. Rej waited around for a different wagon to blossom though, and it ended up being LC by no manipulation of his own. He plopped his vote on there without a care. The whole “it was coordinated distancing” spiel does not hold water for me.

I also think LC is behaving like a civilian.

I can pls has feedback? I can pls has hole in logic?

The part with Long Con acting civillian-like. I don't see it.
I am listening if you can proove it.

Please also talk about the other thing I said, because it is much more important to me.

I don't think Long Con looks bad today -- he has suspicion of me (the guy who tried to wagon him to oblivion D1 -- makes sense), but he is still talking to me like he doesn't know the answer. He's entertaining the things that I say, and not just about himself. I understand why you'd gripe with him being flippant or short in his responses to you, but I don't really object to that. Long Con doesn't typically operate in the generic "shining beacon of civilianhood" manner, and I don't expect him to care about that stuff. I kinda feel the same way as one of today's lead lynchees. It's whatever.

His surface behavior doesn't have to be civilian. I can see the other side there too. That's why my read is based primarily on Rej's voting decisions. I want someone to tell me why Rej votes Long Con there after having refused to vote Dragomir, and why that makes Long Con the teammate between the two of them (if either of them is a teammate). It doesn't make any sense to me.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:06 am My reads are pretty in flux at this point. I feel quite good about Epignosis, Dom, Long Con, and TSP. I think Mac and nova generally look fine. I think Dragomir looks good, but he also feels like a potential blind spot. I think Fayt looks bad, but she also feels like a potential blind spot. Michelle, nutella, and speedchuck are swing reads. sprityo is nothing and thus bad.

If I were to draw up a POE of 4 (I think we're allowed more at this stage) right this moment, it'd be the last four names there.

i think you choose the easiest mislynches and added Nutella because she has such a cool name. Taking apart the players you don't like is not necessary a winning receipe.
We have just 2 wolves left. Shrink your Poe

No. My POE is actually 6, so it got bigger.

It's the number we need (pending failed kills or extra kills). At 11 vs. 2, we have four mislynches available. There are two mafia alive. That means we need a POE of 4 + 2 = 6 to win the game.

[mention]nutella[/mention] why sprityo

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:29 pm I think the case against LC is poor. This isn’t uncertainty or doubt like with Rej D1, it’s just a perception that the case is *bad*. Rej’s voting behavior makes very little sense if LC is his teammate.

Dragomir could be for the refused vote. Rej waited around for a different wagon to blossom though, and it ended up being LC by no manipulation of his own. He plopped his vote on there without a care. The whole “it was coordinated distancing” spiel does not hold water for me.

I also think LC is behaving like a civilian.

I can pls has feedback? I can pls has hole in logic?

I feel like I’m talking to brick walls regarding LC. Someone please engage what I said just a bit ago.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:54 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:45 pm If the present dynamic holds, my vote will be in the [Dragomir, nutella] space.

Blech. Not doing yourself any favors there.


I feel like I missed something about Drago. Why is he on the table

Don’t care.

Dragomir looks fine to me at face value. There is a case for him though, and it ties to my civilian read on Ling Con. Rej refused to vote in the Dragomir wagon when it was the prevailing counter. He gladly joined the LC wagon.

Rej has the weakest role on the mafia team. He’s an easier loss to manage than either a godfather-roleblocker or the role cop combo thing I cannot remember right now (mobile). If Dragomir is one of them, Rej’s EoD behavior makes sense.

If the present dynamic holds, my vote will be in the [Dragomir, nutella] space.

I have to step away for a bit. In case graduate school things sweep me away, my most important legacy is that you shouldn’t lynch Epignosis, Long Con, TSP, or Dom. I’m okay with you paying Dom a second thought among the four, just do so with care.

I can probably be back before 3. We’ll see.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:35 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:34 pm i guess ill vote drago and see if jay wants to break the tie

That’s a preferable counterwagon.

I’m still content to keep my vote right on you, mister.

fair enough but i doubt you'd risk an avoidable mislynch

i dont think tony is gonna show up anytime soon

I’m gone at EOD, so y’all will be free to lose your minds without interruption from me anyway. Whatever vote I place before 3pm EST is my final vote.

I’m definitely not voting Tony in any event.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:34 pm i guess ill vote drago and see if jay wants to break the tie

That’s a preferable counterwagon.

I’m still content to keep my vote right on you, mister.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:31 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:29 pmThe whole “it was coordinated distancing” spiel does not hold water for me.

I don't recall doing anything that resembled "coordinated" that Day.

Same.

Also, the “gamble” incident to me is just Rej projecting a civilian flip. Long Con is a “riskier” lynch, and it’s a “gamble” we can afford to take. When the flip returns civilian: “welp, I guess that’s the luck of the dice”.

I think the case against LC is poor. This isn’t uncertainty or doubt like with Rej D1, it’s just a perception that the case is *bad*. Rej’s voting behavior makes very little sense if LC is his teammate.

Dragomir could be for the refused vote. Rej waited around for a different wagon to blossom though, and it ended up being LC by no manipulation of his own. He plopped his vote on there without a care. The whole “it was coordinated distancing” spiel does not hold water for me.

I also think LC is behaving like a civilian.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:12 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:11 pm LC wagon gives me the heeby jeebies

inki: exactly!

Why does the LC wagon give you heeby jeebies?

im unfamiliar with those players

i havent read the game, my bias is new players tend to be shy and stay away from controntation

Guess you’d better read something! Kick back, pop open a cold one, and click on an ISO.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:02 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Tell me more go Grease Lightning

Now that you mention it, your lack of Grease-related understanding earlier suspicious. Like, you were too aware of how you were presenting yourself and reacting to get the joke. Hard to explain... best I have is the way Watson caught the guy in Sherlock Holmes: Game of Shadows. He was so focused on acting a certain way that he didn't leave room for surprise reactions, so when Watson broke a glass or something he was the only one who didn't react. Something like that.

Sure. Sad truth is I’m just a dummy.

I’ve even used the “tell me more” Grease gif in past games. I don’t know all the words to the songs though and even kind of hate the movie, so the car thing didn’t connect.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:11 pm LC wagon gives me the heeby jeebies

inki: exactly!

Why does the LC wagon give you heeby jeebies?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:07 pm Should I Lynch Jay Yes or No?

“Could someone please give me permission to mislynch Jay?”

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:02 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Tell me more go Grease Lightning

I always completely dominate the decision processes on my teams.

Still feeling like a good old fashioned sprityo lynch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:53 am Mac is town.

JJJ is lower on my townlist, and only not at the bottom because I've never actually seen this kind of angleshooting not be true. It's a scummy practice, town or mafia, but it usually works and is reliable.

It's not about emotional manipulation, as I mentioned in Phenon: Origins. It's a different kind of pragmatic and cold, one that you'd apparently stake honor on.

I welcome examples or corrections. I feel JJJ as scum, but as Mac called Epi earlier, I'm a sucker for character calls.

Cool I’m scummy and towny, forever Schrödinger’s alignment.

Who bad?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:15 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:33 am I apologize to all of The Syndicate for how much I abuse the and emojis, but they apply to pretty much everything I say.

you may present apologize for clogging the thread with posts. I don't have time to search on phone what matters and what not.

Yeah sorry I tend to be this way.

A good rule of thumb is that all of my posts are extremely important and good, and when they’re off-topic they’re hilarious. Just for future reference.

This game needs the wowee emoji more than any other.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:44 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:43 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:37 am Whew, caught up

And yet I have no idea where you stand on any of it

Fair

'Caught up' is usually a promise of contribution. Shake the ants out of your pants, both of you.

*angles head quizzically, rolls onto the floor side-to-side for no discernible reason, and then licks own balls*

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:46 am This whole nightkill analysis based on character, devotion to the site and out-of-game closeness to TH is kinda angleshooty.

I know I can't condemn it, as I got caught up in it and the Mac/JJJ go has changed my perception a great deal, but I thought I'd put that out there.

Water them changes of perception, sonny?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:43 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:37 am Whew, caught up

And yet I have no idea where you stand on any of it

Fair

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:23 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 1:39 am I'm not interested in a Mac lynch, to be clear to the viewers at home.

I'm not at home and this could not be more muddled.

There was room for Mac’s go at me to be nefarious l, so I mashed his face at my doggy poo for a while. The worst thing I can do is let Mac get away with an opportunistic mislynch on myself unchallenged. I don’t think he looked bad though [inb4 you’ve never caught me with this]. So the dog read is where I return.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 11:22 am No you don't. I'm still salty about Phenon Origins the first.

I know you didn’t like that, and to be fair it’s probably the most I have tightroped the line between honor and going too far. I had no intention of being emotionally manipulative there though. I just wanted to look like a desperate civilian.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:54 am ...Dom is in your good pile again? Y

The Turnip Head Variable

I need to get some sleep. I have a feeling y'all might actually lynch me this time, so I suppose I'll assemble some legacy stuff as much as I can in the afternoon. I will not be available at the deadline or the 1-2 hours prior; I have an appointment. Just make sure you don't lynch from my good pile please: Epignosis, Long Con, TSP, Dom.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:33 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:30 am Mac's suspicion of me is authentic. nutella's is Great Value brand Mac suspicion of me.

Okay so we're gonna lynch one of you and depending on the outcome either town lock or lynch the other k?

Nah. Let's make sure we're reassessing at every turn, k? If after reassessment you still feel the feel, then go right ahead.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:32 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:26 am You sillies. If Rej and LC are my teammates, I lynch Dragomir back to Timbuktu.

And you tried those pants on didn't you?

And TH dying helps that since TH town reads Drago.

I am saying I lynch him on Day 1. I try on the pants, and I stay in the pants, and I do some lunges in the pants, and I fart open-assed in the pants. I don't need to engage in this wild wacky coordinated distance orchestra at EOD if Dragomir is getting roasted. It was there for the taking.

Anyway this theory isn't very important so y'all do y'all. You're wrong on me, and I think you're wrong on Long Con too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:31 am We are all glad to see TH back. Great guy. You're insulting him with this "I'd never kill him" shit though. When you're a wolf your commitment is to your team and win con. If TH is a perceived threat each and every one of you shoot the fucked. He's a lifer. He's not gonna drop off the face of the Earth just because he cops a bullet after helping is lynch a wolf on day 1. What do you think he doesn't know what to expect here?

All of you saying you wouldn't shoot him are at best lame as fuck.

I may indeed be lame as fuck, but that doesn't stop me from wanting to maximize the playing experience for an OG who had been away as well as everyone else who hadn't been able to play with that OG for a while -- including myself. It is lame as fuck to kill someone in their first game back in eons on Night 1. It may be "optimal", but it's lame too. Same reason a bunch of us felt awful for lynching Mongoose on Day 1 in one game this year after she had been gone for some time. It's lame.

Mac's suspicion of me is authentic. nutella's is Great Value brand Mac suspicion of me.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:26 am You sillies. If Rej and LC are my teammates, I lynch Dragomir back to Timbuktu.

No.

I'm glad we could have this little talk.

You sillies. If Rej and LC are my teammates, I lynch Dragomir back to Timbuktu.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:19 amI teared up when I saw TH had showed up on the forum in my walrus thread after a long absence.

Y'all think whatever of me regarding TH. It's fine. I was so glad to see him back, not only for Walrus, but actually signing up for a game after a long break when we've been in such a lull. It enriches the site. And he was originally my admin mate! I've had a special place for TH since watching him play in the MU tournament the same year I did right as I joined the site here and became a part of the community.

Stick around [mention]Turnip Head[/mention], at least if you desire to. It's great to have you back.

Assuming one kill per night, we've four mislynches available before LyLo. Doctoring and vigilante justice may influence that, but whatever. Adapt as necessary moving forward.

Two mafia alive + four mislynches = POE of 6.

Dragomir
Fayt
Michelle
nutella
speedchuck
sprityo

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:11 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:06 am My reads are pretty in flux at this point. I feel quite good about Epignosis, Dom, Long Con, and TSP. I think Mac and nova generally look fine. I think Dragomir looks good, but he also feels like a potential blind spot. I think Fayt looks bad, but she also feels like a potential blind spot. Michelle, nutella, and speedchuck are swing reads. sprityo is nothing and thus bad.

If I were to draw up a POE of 4 (I think we're allowed more at this stage) right this moment, it'd be the last four names there.

Dragomir is the proverbial fourth name in this extended player salad. JJJ and Dragomir are my top suspects. Good night.

I knew someone would say it's salad.

My reads are pretty in flux at this point. I feel quite good about Epignosis, Dom, Long Con, and TSP. I think Mac and nova generally look fine. I think Dragomir looks good, but he also feels like a potential blind spot. I think Fayt looks bad, but she also feels like a potential blind spot. Michelle, nutella, and speedchuck are swing reads. sprityo is nothing and thus bad.

If I were to draw up a POE of 4 (I think we're allowed more at this stage) right this moment, it'd be the last four names there.

I take pride in my ability to extract abstraction from text. I once proposed, facetiously, a job in which I am responsible for mediating between messengers in dating sites/apps to help people avoid silly misinterpretation and miss obvious cues. I wonder why I never got that job.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:50 am Sorry, JJJ, you don't fit the criteria of "who wouldn't kill TH" in my books. The people I mentioned, TH is an old friend, a highly valued player for both nostalgic and personal reasons. You just don't have the past with him to qualify.

That's fine. I readily grant that I don't have the closeness that you and others would have with good old Turnip Head. My concern is more with respect to the role he has played for the site, and the impact his return can have upon us in general.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:46 am I think Long Con is fine.

Yes.

I'd appreciate it if you could take a quick look at my Michelle and sprityo reviews at the very start of this day phase. Rej treated them uniquely, and I want some input.

Mac is more doggo than nutella. She's getting the sloppy seconds on this TH junk.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:46 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:00 am @Epignosis I think that Jay is just about the only person who WOULD kill TH in that slot based on how TH was playing. I think you may be right about him after all.

I don't kill Turnip Head in his first game back here in 900 years either. Believe me or don't, I don't care. My first priority is always the website, and Turnip Head is a major part of it.

This is a blatant lie.

[VOTE: jay] aubergine

As long as y'all who think I am the Grinch Who Stole Christmas adapt your perspectives after the game and understand that I am not actually an emotionless robot who cares for nothing but sweet victory. That's all JJJ asks.

It's the truth.

I think Long Con is fine.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:40 am Man I leave the thread for a few hours and everyone's taken crazy pills I don't know what to think anymore

You're gonna hate what comes next!

I think Epi's flip is fine. The Turnip Head kill is probably key there. If you think I did that, whatever. I wouldn't (hi Mac). Epi considered this after I said it, which I think is to his credit. He didn't have to believe that and could have just kept kicking me in the nuts.

Fayt wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:37 am reading two people who I town read fight each other is like mom and dad arguing who's fault is it when the dog shits on the carpet.

If Mac and I had a child, protective services would have taken them away from us long ago.

I apologize to all of The Syndicate for how much I abuse the and emojis, but they apply to pretty much everything I say.