The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:50 pm I think Mac mentioned that JJJ had an implied townread on Owner but I couldn't see where. If JJJ has a towncase on Owner I'd like to see it.

I don’t have a read on Owner.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:13 pm @JaggedJimmyJay Reveal Sloonei's role card for me so I don't have to figure out whether he is mafia for that 4 player salad.

He did that on purpose for a meme. I town read him.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:28 pm The playstyles are mainly the reason if I have to say. Certain things which you guys see as townie are not seen as townie thing over there. Now lets take act what you guys saw stilted and acting scummie from act we consider as something normal from her. This is her playstyle this is how she plays regardless of alignment. Similarly to what you felt with gnome. I felt the same way when I saw syn, mac play. Dana coming in and saying i am nervous and stuff if i didnt see others play last game even i would have felt it was scummie.

Thanks for answering. I'll give it a good solid thonk. I'm going to leave you be anyway and let you solve like the free lost monkey that you are.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:19 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:03 pm [VOTE: lost monkey] aubergine

lol i saw this coming when i saw your post. You didn't need to be like this not scathing or anything like that.

I just felt using my vote. The reason I say things like that is to prevent impressions of undue confidence that promote toxicity in games, particularly for the people subjected to my suspicion (i.e. you in this case). I'll still be listening to everything you have to say.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:17 pm What do you want me to expand?

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:22 amIf I didn't play a game before this one, I would been the same way as act and you on dana.

It'd be super to know what made you feel this way, and what playing a game before this one did to change your perspective.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:16 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:11 pmJJJ mentioned that a push for that can only come from mafia

Hey JJJ, I’m psycho and you’ll meet a terrible fate tonight!

I don't know what that means.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:11 pmJJJ mentioned that a push for that can only come from mafia

I've been dropped on N1 in three consecutive town games, so my view on using a D1 vigilante shot is likely biased.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:10 am If you don't believe in readslists for some reason, feel free to leave whatever other legacy you want. I'm just trying to make sure we aren't left with nothing but your suspicion on Dana if you flip green.

You aren’t left with nothing lol. I encourage you to read all my posts and interactions and not just the ones that fit your narrative that I’m scum because I suspect Dana.

I've just done this, and I am left uncertain about most of your views of the game.

You suspected Dana and you liked Tangrowth. Each has been discussed plenty already. Otherwise, I don't know? You have a non-read on Garden Gnome and haven't said much about anyone else in particular -- you've asked questions about nutella without a clear conclusion that I've seen. You made an essentially alignment-neutral assertion about Guillotine.

Whaddya think? I don't need a "reads list" if you don't want, but I've done here what you asked of Alison and still don't know much.

I would use it Day 1.

Hardly matters to me anyway. It'll resolve itself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:00 pm Alison claims to have a day vig that she plans to use on Act today. Do we believe this? What do we make of it either way?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:06 am Act I have a one-shot dayvig and I am going to use it on you by the end of today because I think you are scum. I ask you for a readslist so that you can leave a legacy in case you are town.

Don't care about the claim.

Act is a valid enough suspect that I am not inclined to yell in protest at the moment.

Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:42 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:35 amI'm still responding to page 1 of 15, not there yet. I'm really curious about why a wagon is on Act.

I can see why those who don't know Act are suspect, her first question really is redundant, but I think it's largely around people not knowing her. Her question to Dana was what I was thinking when I saw the nervous post and I think it's valid to expect those who don't know Gnome to be suspect of her. Anyway, catch up.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:22 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:15 am Tell me more about your Dana read? Her intro pinged me but I note that the locals seemed unphased.

The pinging in the reason people suspected act for questioning it. If I didn't play a game before this one, I would been the same way as act and you on dana.

I went back to refresh myself on who said what about Dana. I see these two. I thought there'd been one more apart from Act, but I could be mistaken. I already have a sense of Sonny's progression here, so it's lost monkey that could most stand to expand on the matter.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:49 pm Who?

That's... what I'm trying to sort.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:43 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:42 pm Why ate you going back to this when we already moved on and the reason for suspicious was debunked already?

If someone was feeding the game b/s in that dialogue, then they're probably mafia and we shouldn't be "moving on".

I thought it was suspicious that someone felt nervous to get i to the game, as if the feel of someone who rands an alignment they are comfortable with for example, and post to the thread that they are nervous to get sympathy and maybe townread for it.

That was my logic behind it. Am I scum?

I don't think you are. One of the later arrivals who gave the idea a parrot might be.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:45 pm Good morning everyone!

*checks watch*



Being in California suggests a mafia agenda

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:42 pm Omg I'm tied for the lead wagon, do you guys think I should self prez? I'm so unloved uwu

need legacy reads quick, sometime within the next 26 hours

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:42 pm Why ate you going back to this when we already moved on and the reason for suspicious was debunked already?

If someone was feeding the game b/s in that dialogue, then they're probably mafia and we shouldn't be "moving on".

For a visitor, I think the points Belzy has focused on (predominantly the perceived unusual confidence in things from Alison and I) are believable and recognizable. I get that a lot from folks that don't know me. There's also a degree of nitpick in her questioning that I think usually comes from an honest brain.

I tread carefully since I don't know Belzy. I invite anyone that does know Belzy to tell me what they think of this read.

@Garden Gnome, may I suggest an avatar?

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:29 pm Are you saying that Tangrowth looks happier and more confident as town? Because the "sense of immediate and undue urgency" seems to imply a level of anxiety about being scum. But whenyou say that you don't care much about meta, are you suggesting that Tangrowth could simply be trying a different play style? And, if so, how are you reading Tangrowth right now?

If I had to draw a distinction at the most basic level, I might say this:

Town Tangrowth trends more toward happiness.
Mafia Tangrowth trends more toward excitement.

Both sound positive, but they come in different packages. This is a perspective that could well be outdated anyway, because like I said: Tangrowth is returning from a hiatus. I am reading her more at face value than I am by some notion of meta, and on that front I lean more town than not.

General question for our Percy friends, or for those to whom it applies:

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:18 pm hello everyone! I'm so nervous but also very excited to make lots of new friends!!

A few of you have either voiced direct suspicion of Dana for this post or suggested that you would have or could have done so in the ensuing dialogue relating to Act and Guillotine.

Why? What about this Dana post is worrisome, or could be worrisome? I ask this to develop my ability to interpret everyone involved, perhaps even Dana herself. My first instinct is that not everyone voicing a sentiment like this is being honest, but determining who is not going to be easy if the conversation continues to exist on this vague plane of woulds/coulds/nulls. Help an angry bear out.

lost monkey has some posts that strike me as awkward.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:05 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:15 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:14 pm I asked why you think as you did as I pointed out what they have done and yet you haven’t said if you do indeed Town read them for that and if not, you haven’t stated why nor do I see a reason for you to TR them this SoD thus I’m questioning your read because I believe it could be fake and attempting pocket.

I know nutella well and read her almost entirely on vibes. The vibes are true so far. Discrediting gavial and calling a post "wolfy" mean nothing to me to the contrary. You also didn't answer my question. Is nutella mafia?

I like this post, like the questioning tone and intent behind it, a town lean for now.

This seems like a post that could have been extracted from my ISO at random as one to like. The reasoning is vague, and I'm not sure how it aligns with what I said.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:08 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:00 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:59 am This is something I haven't seen from act in a while lol.

hi! could you elaborate on this a bit

Act for what I remember hasn't told she liked someone's progression after returning from retirement regardless of what alignment she has been in.

Extremely specific notion of meta, to such an extent that I question its authenticity.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:24 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:20 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:18 pm Nutella is obvious town, tangy is well on her way, and act is >rand town

That is all, carry on

how is Nutella obvious town?

Same, how is Nutella town here?

SQWAAAAK

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:04 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:59 am [VOTE: lost monkey] aubergine

you seem to be in neutral commentary mode, let's see some reads

You scum lean, jay town lean. Sonny might be town. Null on the rest unless something catches my eye. You might ask why i haven't voted you, need to see more, the read is not concrete.

The last sentence reads a bit goofy.

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I don't want folks to interpret this as some scathing case. These are low-level questions, and I am putting them in one place to give lost monkey an easier means of response.

I've looked at hawkataine's posts and emerge with no opinion.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 7:47 pm Idk if anyone was playing on MU when it first launched in like 2015-16 ish but possibly paths have crossed????? idk I very vaguely recognise some names and it's very offputting xD

It's possible you remember my name from the MU launch, because I played the season 2 champs finale there after playing the qualifier on 2+2. I also played a single game on PerC not super long thereafter.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:21 am Also hi, JJJ,

What exactly do you expect from a scum!Tang having an agenda, and having a lower comfort level, so far at a Day 1?

I will preface this by saying pure meta reads don't tend to play a huge role in my views, outside perhaps with Sloonei. So I can assign some "expectations" to a mafia-aligned Tangrowth, but take the following with many grains of salt. I would hardly build a case on this basis:

~ In the past, mafia Tangrowth has had a greater tendency to play with a tone of severity -- not necessarily "hostile", but more aggressive and less accommodating.
~ In that way, there'd be inherently less appearance of comfort and more of a sense of immediate and undue urgency.

Again, I don't care much about these notions. But I wanted to answer your question.

I actually don’t have enough town reads yet! I need a few more to reach the target of closing out half of the roster.

I’m gonna just chill for a bit and let the thread move. We’re starting to see more Percy posts, and that will help.

Belzy's initial digs have been fine. I'm going to see where she goes with it.

I could call Martin town and feel okay about it. I'm going to restrain myself a bit on that one with only five posts to his name.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:37 am Nanook is probably someone who shouldn't be on his list

Reasonable protest. I think I am starting to better understand how Nanook works, and I'm more willing than I once was to give him town reads on the basis of the small indicators he allows us to access in the thread. If there's a case on Nanook I'll listen to it.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:29 am You state to have got to known Dana a lot in a very limited time with her in a scum chat before a re-roll. This is not only a very short time to feel this strongly about someone's entrance and persona, but also, and mostly, you refer to a chat you two both were scum: how did that prior interaction end up you now being capable of reading her town based on that entrance? If anything, if Dana's entrance reminds you of how you got to learn her through a prior scum chat, I would rather expect you to be at least to be wary of her being scum based on that entrance and persona stuff. If I am missing something here, I'll gladly hear.

Just talking with someone about the game can go a long way toward better understanding who they are, how they think about the game, and what might be promising or concerning markers. That it was a mafia chat was and is not meaningful to me. I still left that chat knowing her better than I had entered it, and it even helped me to find her as town in the re-rolled version of the same game.

To say I feel "strongly" about it wouldn't be entirely accurate, but I would say that I am "comfortable" with it. And that's good enough for now.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:17 am JJJ: you are the second post count leader. You got at least some involvement, which is a better look. You give a lot of easy townreads however, including on Tang, and I would appreciate you delibating that read because I don't see it.

Hi Belzy!

Nothing drives mafia nuts like townies town reading townies. That's what I strive for.

What you say about Tangrowth is technically valid -- she has a relatively low ratio of post-count-to-reads-content and much of her play to this point has been of the fluffier conversational variety. In a backwards manner, that actually contributes to my positive view of her. I get no impression that she is trying to look a part or move the game any particular direction (i.e. agenda) beyond a few choice questions/pokes/reads. Instead she just looks thrilled to be here, in her first Syndicate game in quite a while -- a significant thing given that she founded the website. Her comfort level is suitable to the town alignment, and there's still enough reading going on in her posts to make her relevant and involved.

Vigilance on the Tangrowth read is important, because she has proven in the past to be a capable mafioso who can outpost most town players in her sleep. On that front I don't fault you or others for being unsure. I lean in the positive direction at this point though.

Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:15 am Tell me more about your Dana read? Her intro pinged me but I note that the locals seemed unphased.

Good one to ask about, and that's a read that could stand to develop further. I liked Dana's entry into the game, because it reflected the persona I have come to associate with her in limited time together -- she and I actually shared a mafia chat for one day prior to AIM Mafia before the game was re-rolled, and I think I learned a lot about her in there. She's an earnest player who wants to be involved and make her mark, and she will make a good effort to do so -- but only by plowing through her own natural uncertainty, paranoia, and lower confidence. She had a lengthy hiatus of her own until a few months ago and is still feeling out her way around the game of Mafia. To this point I think she looks like the town version of her that I have seen so far and learned about in that chat.

She should provide more reads so I can do more with this read than rely on vague notions like those above.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:12 am Hell no. I'm gone for 6 hours and there are ten pages to read?

tlDr, gimme the summary.

I can't recall what precisely has happened within that 10 page window, but if you'd like an easier way to integrate into the current thread: I'd appreciate if you could look specifically at PerC people and share your views.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:07 am I googled "lip bite gif" to respond to the banana choco muffins in a cheeky foodlust way, but most of the results are like shitty skinemax-level gifs of people biting each others lips. The human race is wack.

show me

taste me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:07 am man you can't think you've solved these people in half a gameday you are not that naive

"solved" no, but I do think I can achieve an acceptable level of Day 1 comfort to orient the game toward dead mafia on the basis of reads like that. I am often wrong about at least someone though, so it's worth asking

I googled "lip bite gif" to respond to the banana choco muffins in a cheeky foodlust way, but most of the results are like shitty skinemax-level gifs of people biting each others lips. The human race is wack.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:03 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:55 am I like nutella's posts. She's kinda tapering off in activity: right now it feels like the half-lazy I don't wanna say things kind of taper. I felt it a bit when I wanted cake.

I want cake

my cake was disappointing, but i also got some mini cinnamon rolls and they were better

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:51 am Town reads to varying degrees

Sloonei
Tangrowth
nutella
Dana
Gavial
Guillotine
Nanook
Alison
Sonny

Still in no particular order

Am I wrong about anyone gang, or are we on course to solve the game in one literal day?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:55 am why not? it actually works lol.

Maybe next time then!

I have hardly ever been mafia when you've been town in recent memory, so I really dunno how I'd approach it in 2021. I can't remember any examples since Transistor in like 2016. And in that game I just let you suspect me and deflected it carelessly until it was time to kill you.

I like nutella's posts. She's kinda tapering off in activity: right now it feels like the half-lazy I don't wanna say things kind of taper. I felt it a bit when I wanted cake.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:52 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:50 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:46 am Any push from Jay towards me and vice versa had the potential of being wifom. We have been playing rival mafia for a literal decade and as such you shouldn't ever read either of us town through how we treat each other.

If it's WIFOM then he was hostile to you intentionally so that I or someone else would townread him for that. Would JJJ realize he would obtain townreads in that manner? Is it JJJ's style, personality wise, to try to trick people into giving him townreads by being rude?

no the agenda would be to get me to town read him

Trust me Mac, if that's what I want from you then I am not going to shit in your Corn Flakes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:50 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:49 am Made sure did make a post.

did he? I didn't see it.

He made two, one with a cheeky multiple choice question. I don't town read Made.

Town reads to varying degrees

Sloonei
Tangrowth
nutella
Dana
Gavial
Guillotine
Nanook
Alison
Sonny

Still in no particular order

Made sure did make a post.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:41 am Yeah you made that town read of yours with glitter and sparkles right?

Gavial my boy, I already answered your question. Perhaps consider for a moment why you keep getting these "town but doesn't make sense" reads (or just "doesn't make sense") -- you don't even need to talk about it, just give it some Gavial time in that Gavial brain. Think about the way that you derive suspicion and then the way that you pursue it. Let it all coagulate into perspective soup and take a big swig right out of the bowl.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:18 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:16 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:47 am Jay your reads are bad so you're probably mafia

What reads of Jay's do you find offensive apart from his read on you?

implied town reads on nut and owner

I have a town read on nutella. I don't have any read on Owner.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:36 am I have you on something I think. old school Skype maybe? idk It's been so long

Indeedilydoo!

Thanks Owner. You always have a unique way of looking at things and I appreciate that. I'll let the subjects of your gripes respond themselves.

If my early reads aren't total crap, it would suggest greater mafia concentration on the PerC side of the roster.