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by JaggedJimmyJay
Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:56 am
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Topic: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Game Over]
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:30 pm What degree of "empty content" is "ideal" given someone's post count? I don't understand this criticism of Quin.
In a perfect universe, it would be a degree of zero. In the real world, it would be a minimal degree -- accounting for individual differences (Wilgy will by nature have more fluff than the average player). I'd have guessed more than half of Quin's non-draft day posts were of the fluff sort, because I could not distinctly remember much of anything he'd said. That's why I went digging.
Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:30 pm JJJ, what prompted you to change your vote from Quin to nutella?
At the end of the day phase, I found myself questioning nutellas voters more than she was herself, poking at arguments that I didn't find completely compelling in her stead. She was present to argue for herself, and I felt she was letting me do it. Upon coming to this realization, I stopped doing so. I considered my suspicion of Quin, that he wasn't putting much meat in his posts. It wasn't substantive. The case against nutella, even if not entirely agreeable, was more substantive. I trusted the people trying to lynch her. I decided to join them.
Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pm This is a fluff post.
No it isn't. Multiple players have been accusing Quin of the same thing, but nobody had actually provided a case. They were assertions thrown into the thread. I was among them, because my perception matched theirs. Quin suggested it wasn't accurate, so I took it upon myself to check him on that. If nobody does that and Quin a civilian, then any civilians making that accusation are doing a disservice to their team if they don't make a better effort. I made a better effort.
Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pmYou felt the best use of your energy was counting how many of Quin's posts were on-topic?
That took about eight minutes to compile. My energy expenditure is efficient. :noble:
Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pmYou are toying with Quin and telling people why something that's clearly a bad argument against him is a bad argument, but then in the same post, you raise another bad argument that is effectively derived from the first one: That Quin's overall involvement here is not substantive.
Green -- nah. If a player truly does load a post history with junk, it's a bad thing. Whether Quin was truly guilty of that is the question, not whether fluff is perfectly okay.

Orange -- That is not a condemnation of Quin, but it is an observation which doesn't work in his favor. If I thought he was the best suspect given that, you'd see my vote on him right now. The entire point of that post was to determine whether the arguments against Quin were valid. I determined that they weren't. I presented a separate argument which is, if accepted, a less scathing accusation but an accusation nonetheless. I will continue to read Quin and judge accordingly.
Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pm This stinks.
As before: kiss my ass. :biggrin:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:17 pm
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:14 pm Would anyone be available to replace into a mafia game on HCRealms? It’s pretty laid back over there so it’s not a super big commitment. PM me if interested. CBob not invited.
Laid back, you say? Let Papa Jay have a look. :grin:

It looks like it's over half over, so yeah I can help you out.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:15 pm
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TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:14 pm I don’t have strong reads on Dr White and Iron Dwarf so I’m gonna iso them, but first: a thought.

1. Kites is bad
Just for this pledge, I'll try to ISO Kites. Unfortunately I can't tonight, but time may be kinder tomorrow.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:15 pm
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Quin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:13 pm I'll let you describe mechanics posts as fluff, but I do have some issues with what you've pointed out. I'll explain them.
I'm sure interpretations will vary.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:13 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

Meanwhile, let's kill Dr. White. Or Iron_Dwarf. :nicenod:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:12 pm
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Quin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:11 pm This was more open minded than I expected. Thanks.
Now I want to lynch you for quoting the whole thing.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:04 pm
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Quin has taken a lot of flak in this game for being fluffy. I have given Quin flak for being fluffy. I grant though that at least in my case, this has been a perception derived from my own progression through the thread without a thorough dig. So now I dig.

As of right now, Quin has 96 posts.

He made 33 posts during the drafting period. Remove them from consideration (I will at least, you may not be so inclined dear readers). 63 remain.

I would call the following posts fluffy in that they do not progress a hunt in a readily discernible way:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p406909
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p407375
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p407401
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p407595
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 30#p407630
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p407642
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 11#p408511
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 20#p408520
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p409509
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p410046

10 posts.

These posts are self-defense, primarily against accusations of fluff, without an obvious reads-oriented development therein:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p406900
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p409618
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p410031
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p410042
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p410060
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p410473
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p410492

7 posts.

63 - 10 - 7 = 46

This leaves 46 hunting-relevant posts, or just under half of his present post count and 73% of his non-draft day post count. This is a greater percentage than I anticipated. It isn't lovely and there is still fluff, but it isn't some glaring, terrible thing either. Those who have accused Quin of doing nothing should review this assessment and his posts as well and then report their own conclusions. I would say that it as at least no longer tenable to discard Quin as having done nothing of note. That is inaccurate.

A separate accusation which would be fairer given the data available is that Quin has not engaged anyone substantively. There have been pokes, prods, and jabs -- but no continued investigation of any single thing (that I can readily observe).
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:57 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

I'm counting your fluff Quin. Stand ready.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:42 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

Quin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:40 pm I posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase. I love the theme. It's natural. But when Day 1 started I dropped it. You yourself said that the draft phase encourages more fluff. I don't think you're taking that into account as you read me here.

As for people making the case, nutellas sticks out like a sore thumb. She says even my current content is empty. That's bull. She's also jumped on dunya's idea that I'm bad for not meeting a quota of scum reads (such a terrible argument, truly)
I think your fluff extended beyond draft time. If it had been draft-specific fluff I wouldn't care.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:39 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

Kenway wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:38 pm Also, who is Dr. White? Did someone got replaced?
Good question! Take a look and tell me what you think!
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:34 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

Quin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:29 pm
Quin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:23 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why haven't you jumped down my throat in this game? I've been waiting.
You'll note that I came very near to murdering you, save a lynch stop and a split-second decision to switch to nutella. If you would prefer to avoid murder, you know the drill.
I'm not going to beg for forgiveness or actively try to match a rate of posting you're happy with. I'm posting at a rate that I'm comfortable with given my rl circumstances. These arguments that I'm only posting empty content disgust me.
I don't care if the arguments disgust you. I do care how you read the players making the argument.

I wouldn't say you've only posted empty content, but you've posted more of it than would be ideal given your post count.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:34 pm
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sig wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:30 pm Commonly would you say RYM players have a habit of targeting inactive players? (I encourage all RYMers to answer this one) :beer:
I wouldn't say it's a tendency of the community, though any meta drawn from there is now 2+ years old. As with anywhere it depends upon the player and on momentary whims. I don't think the rabbit kill implicates anyone specifically, especially when we cannot be sure it was intentional.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:29 pm
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Quin wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:23 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why haven't you jumped down my throat in this game? I've been waiting.
You'll note that I came very near to murdering you, save a lynch stop and a split-second decision to switch to nutella. If you would prefer to avoid murder, you know the drill.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:13 pm
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It should be noted that these misdirections are largely targeted to a random other player. This isn't like a bus drive wherein the new target is specifically selected.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:12 pm
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Kylemii wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:10 pm what possible benefit is there to redirecting a power that is only useful if it targets specific roles? elfire does basically nothing unless it hits like one of like... six different players.
I would say the true utility is limited beyond disrupting the plans of whoever is misdirected.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:10 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

nutella wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm
nutella wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now
less dunya more hunt
ok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?

My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase :shrug:
Dr. White is my top suspect. Iron_Dwarf is a pet suspect. They are unrelated. I don't have the time right now to provide a substantive case, but I may later tonight. Succinctly: I see a number of reads he has made which only barely qualify as "reads". Either no concrete stance is taken or a stance is supported with total vagueness. There's a lot of potential for fake hunting.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:06 pm
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dunya wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:05 pm
Marmot wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:00 pm Did nobody actually target me last night? ;_;
I'll do you, if you do me. XD
:Uhh:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

nutella wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now
less dunya more hunt
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 2]

dunya wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:02 pm I'm not sure how good bodyguards/protective roles claiming who they targeted itt is a good idea tbh. I don't like it.
I don't think it matters much. They still have no idea who I'll target next. :dark:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:50 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 1]

rundontwalk wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:47 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:46 pm Wait, your role doesn't even give you any info.
Lol.

I bodyguarded JJJ. Idk if he had any night actions but I don't think he was targeted much, if at all
Bodyguard dominoes. :eek:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:45 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 1]

rundontwalk wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:44 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:43 pm
rundontwalk wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:41 pm AUBERGINE

[VOTE: jaggedjimmyjay] aubergine

I know what you did last night
Please share with the class.
JJJ deserves his chance to wiggle out of this one
There's nothing to wiggle out of. I bodyguarded dunya.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:32 pm
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If time permits I'll provide a more thorough case on the dwarf. For now I'm busy. Also lynch Quin. And lynch lapluie. IMHO TBQH FWIW.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:26 pm
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colonialbob wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm [VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine
Why not Dr. White?
I'd be delighted to lynch Dr. White. Everybody knows that already. It's a long day phase and I have a free vote.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:12 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 1]

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:11 pm
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nutella wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 4:01 pmI'm here and ready to give this game my best effort whether people try to lynch me again or not.
Do ya thang. You've been hounded enough that I don't think more of it would be useful. We'll see.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:57 am
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 1]

Oh. Locked again. :|
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:55 am
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 1]

dunya wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:08 am nutella, I've a new concern developing about you. I believe you have been subject to tunneling. Both Mac and dunya have done this (both of you calm down, I don't think you look worse for it, but I do think you've tunneled -- so have I in other instances). I believe you have been subject to some weak accusations. I believe the level of fury you have faced has not suited the fury your posts warrant.
I hate this. Tunnelling would mean nutella is my only suspect ala sloonei vs cbob in Mountains. That's not what I'm doing here. So I will not calm down. :meanie: How have I tunneled, Jay? if I built a case and kept developing that case with new evidence against her? Heck, I even toyed with the thought that a rabbit8 kill could make her look better.

What I have done is go after her. Hard, even. But tunneled I have not. No sir, not I. :noble:
I don't think "tunneling" means that you only go after one person. It means that you suspect someone for everything they post and hammer it home over and over with few or no exceptions. Other reads can exist independent of that. The semantics aren't especially important though.

That post was about nutella.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:49 am
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:43 am Is this really necessary?

Just because you can use all your non-working, waking hours on mafia, doesn't mean you should.
I'm not sure you understand what I mean. I don't do that.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:40 am
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Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:59 am What does dunya do for a living? Is she available to post at all hours of the day? Are you?

I am not. Just posting is easy. I can do it. Posting when you have ten other things that require your attention are not. dunya seems to be here all the time. JJJ seems to be here all the time. Epignosis is not here all the time.
Neither dunya nor JJJ is here all the time. We both have obligations which keep us quite busy throughout the day. I seem like I'm here all the time, but I'm not. I make a ton of posts in quick succession and then I'm gone. I would estimate that I visit the Mafia thread slightly more frequently than you do, but my visits by nature amount to more posts. dunya even moreso if this game is any indication.

If you think you can do it, that's great. Maybe prove me wrong in the summer or something. Blow my mind. Change my life. Until I see it, it's just words on a screen.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:08 am
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[mention]nutella[/mention], I've a new concern developing about you. I believe you have been subject to tunneling. Both Mac and dunya have done this (both of you calm down, I don't think you look worse for it, but I do think you've tunneled -- so have I in other instances). I believe you have been subject to some weak accusations. I believe the level of fury you have faced has not suited the fury your posts warrant.

Despite all of this, you seem cool as a cucumber. Players you read as civilians have been choke-holding you for days now. Every time you make a post, one of them is calling you mafia for it. You were centimeters from being the Day 1 lynch. Your emotions have never flared in any visible way; I have seen little or no evidence of frustration. It strikes me as unnatural. Tell me about your general state of mind right now as it pertains to this Mafia game.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:11 pm
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Re: Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 1]

THREAD IS LOCKED.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:46 pm
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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:43 pm I have a question for you, Jay.

Would you said your activity in this game also falls under the same category of "extremely high civ activity" that you keep referring to?
Yeah, I'm surpassing my own record-setting Talking Heads pace so far. It's harder to notice with dunya blowing me out of the water, but I am at a high activity rate even by my own standards. She is kicking my ass, and I'm kicking third place's ass.

I'm not going to make the same claims for credit for my own sake though. Nobody ever listens to that. :meany:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:33 pm
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dunya wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 5:09 pm If Iron_Dwarf had been drafted earlier, I wouldn't have flinched. The fact that Marmot and Iron_Dwarf were the last 2 and he switched to Marmot the second time around makes me feel iffy, but I'm not sure who I should be feeling iffy about out in all of that.
It's generally proper to feel iffy about the perpetrator of the switch before the ones who were switched. :nicenod:

Spoiler: show
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by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:03 pm
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Colin may have earned the 20 cool points, but I am willing to distribute 15 bonus cool points to those who follow in his footsteps (some have already). I will keep a continuing count of cool points earned.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:30 pm
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20 cool points to be awarded to the first person to ISO Dr. White's posts and actually say something. I am yelling underwater here. The only person to do so thoroughly so far to my memory has been nutella.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:46 pm
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Iron_Dwarf wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:32 pm
Iron_Dwarf wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:31 pm Well I believe that based on my reads I regard dunya as a riskier prospect than Colin. In rainbow terms green vs. green/orange.
What do you consider the most suspicious thing about dunya?
In short, it's hard to get a read on dunya. Her post count is insanely high and because of this she is steering a lot of the conversation. I feel like people are a bit too eager to give her a free pass as (super) town.

I'd like to point out again that this is a minor concern that makes me put her in green/orange territory. I'm not reading her as scum atm, but she's not out of the woods yet.
How do you read me?
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:32 pm
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Iron_Dwarf wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:31 pm Well I believe that based on my reads I regard dunya as a riskier prospect than Colin. In rainbow terms green vs. green/orange.
What do you consider the most suspicious thing about dunya?
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:25 pm
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colonialbob wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 pm https://xkcd.com/605/
I'm aware, that's why I halved her pace for the extrapolation. :meany:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:15 pm
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dunya wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:13 pm did you have to look those numbers up or...
No ma'am. :slick:

Marmot, your Death Note count might be in the top three. MP had 770 in the scrimmage. I don't know off-hand if there are other competitors.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:59 pm
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Marmot wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:54 pm
dunya wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:05 am RYMers: please help me out here. Would you call me a great scum player or a great town leader? Be honest, I won't be angry. No one here from The Syndicate has seen me as scum yet and they're questioning my alliance based on my abilities to post 500+ in a game by Night 1 as scum.
I find this direction to be a fruitful use of Epignosis's statistics. Asking players to give reads on the list of players they "drafted".
I agree, which is why I think Epignosis looks fine for having bothered.

"I suspect Player X because a lot of people said they'd draft them." is stupid.

Squeezing rationale for civilian reads upon claimed draftees is a valid thing to do.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:55 pm
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Fun facts:

To my knowledge, the highest post count ever achieved in a Syndicate game by a mafia-aligned player was MacDougall's 940+ (discounting post-game content) in the 2015 GOC. He survived all 11.5 cycles of that game, averaging about 80 posts per cycle. Keep in mind also that this game had two mafia teams, meaning Mac was able to genuinely hunt.

The civilian record belongs to Richochet at about 1,470 in the same game. There's also my 1,450 in Talking Heads (14.5 cycles).

If dunya's present pace were to be cut in half and sustained as such from this point forward through 11.5 cycles, she would amass nearly 3,300 posts. She would significantly more than triple the record for mafia-aligned posts and double the record for civilian-aligned posts.

Simple question: within which alignment is that easier to accomplish? If you tell me there is no difference, I will tell you that you fundamentally don't understand Mafia.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:04 am
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My sadness when everybody ignores Dr. White. :disappoint:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:01 am
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colonialbob wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:52 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:50 am
colonialbob wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:34 am What is she falsifying?

When I'm scum, i almost always present the same reads I would if I was town, with the slight shifting upwards of my mafia mates. That means it's actually super easy to generate some 'fake' pings, because civs are often pingy, especially early. Where it gets harder is making full read lists, because hang around after you flip and are ripe for analysis,, plus being obvious if you shift somebody much. I don't recall dunya doing a rainbow, although it's quite possible she did, I'm not going through that ISO. But you seem to be implying that all those posts can't be falsified, and I don't know why they all have to be.
Any read provided by a mafioso [in a one mafia team game] other than Teammate X is mafia is false. Any post made in the thread with the intent of assuming a civilian appearance without featuring reads is fake. I'm placing them under the same umbrella. It doesn't account for every post, but it accounts for most. The exceptions would be spam and banter, and I don't think a huge portion of the 500+ in dunya's case are either of those.
You consider civ-reading civs as false?
Any "read" is false, yes. If it's straight up "Civilian X is a civilian", that wouldn't be false.
by JaggedJimmyJay
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colonialbob wrote: Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:34 am What is she falsifying?

When I'm scum, i almost always present the same reads I would if I was town, with the slight shifting upwards of my mafia mates. That means it's actually super easy to generate some 'fake' pings, because civs are often pingy, especially early. Where it gets harder is making full read lists, because hang around after you flip and are ripe for analysis,, plus being obvious if you shift somebody much. I don't recall dunya doing a rainbow, although it's quite possible she did, I'm not going through that ISO. But you seem to be implying that all those posts can't be falsified, and I don't know why they all have to be.
Any read provided by a mafioso [in a one mafia team game] other than Teammate X is mafia is false. Any post made in the thread with the intent of assuming a civilian appearance without featuring reads is fake. I'm placing them under the same umbrella. It doesn't account for every post, but it accounts for most. The exceptions would be spam and banter, and I don't think a huge portion of the 500+ in dunya's case are either of those.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:22 am
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I think you’re a very capable mafioso, dunya, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see you selected by the don in a vacuum.

We’re not playing in a vacuum though. Your posting rate in this game through three quarters of a cycle has been the highest I have ever seen. By anyone. Period. When you say you’re incapable of 500 substantive posts this quickly as a mafioso, I believe you. I’m not capable of 500 mafia posts that quickly either unless I blatantly spam. Your posts are not spam.

Nobody in this game is capable of that. Not even Epignosis himself. Feel free to try to prove me wrong at some point, anyone.

I am told I underestimate dunya. This is not about dunya. This is about the capacity for a human being to falsify so much so quickly. I have never seen it to the degree that it would be if dunya is mafia. Never in any game. Not even the counterexample I often cite (MP in the scrimmage) meets that standard.

Maybe someday someone will shatter this theory I have. Until it actually happens though I am not going to change my tune. It is the most reliable civilian tell in the book.

Many people have the mentality that “X player can be mafia under any circumstances”, and I think they’re wrong.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:49 pm
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Epignosis wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:48 pm Weakest rainbow I've ever seen.

You are bad.
Kiss my ass.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:46 pm
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dunya
Kylemii
MacDougall


ColinIsCool
colonialbob
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
gwilikers6
Kenway
Marmot
rundontwalk
sig
sprityo


DrWilgy
Iron_Dwarf
Kites
lapluie
Long Con
nutella
Quin
rabbit8
TonyStarkPrime


Dr. White

POE is getting saucy.
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:31 pm
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Kylemii wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:47 pmThat is to say someone who either isn't aware of her apparent proficiency as a civ player etc.
is there actually anyone in this game that hasn't played with Dunya before?
I can think of one! Dr. White. :grin: :grin: :grin:
by JaggedJimmyJay
Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:43 pm
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Quin wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:36 pm i do suspect dunya. the argument that a civilian should be meeting a scum read quota is bad. i also suspect nutella for following through with that argument.
How about the argument that your post history to this point has featured barely more than nothing despite being of a well-higher-than-nothing count?

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