The Syndicate

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:30 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:40 am Dragomir is 16.

He can't have been playing this game for long.

I've played it for almost 2 years now.

I didn't realize you were so young! I apologize if I have been a jerk at any point, and we're all glad to have you aboard.

[mention]Dragomir[/mention] - All roles and alignments are randomized. Any role can be any alignment. For some of them there are modifiers if the role rolls mafia. The end. What does this mean to you?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:24 pm No. I'm pointing out a bunch of stuff that you have to ignore to have a scum read on you.

Your tone is one of absolute confidence, and that is unnerving.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:19 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:45 am The post above was blunt on purpose.

Truth is that last game I had a strong feeling Jay was civ and this time the feeling is missing.

He's doing stuff but I'm not quite feeling his strong presence in the thread as I normally should. He's not at the driving wheel.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I guess the biggest deterrent to this is the Ultra relation but eh, that stuff could be faked.

So you find it logical that Ultra would decide that the person he will make his fake case on D1 will be his buddy, this bussing his own buddy D1 for some town cred or distancing? Ultra knew full well that he could make a good enough case on JJJ to actually pick up a solid wagon on him and get him lynched, but you're just gonna throw that aside?

Well this looks like TMI.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:15 pm Doesn't mean the host would do such a thing. Cop and Watcher are useless for mafia.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], tell me about your vote.

I'm not bothered. I've seen too many wagons go either way on that front, and I am skeptical that there is a concrete effect.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:54 pm Does anyone have a reason to oppose a Gemma lynch?

If this turns into DADV my anxiety will kill me

what does that mean

Yes, there aren't many good ways to handle majority lynches here given our poll structure. The host has to be present at all times for it to work properly.

Does anyone have a reason to oppose a Gemma lynch?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:24 am

• Majority voting is not in effect.

nope

I hadn't even considered the hammer lynch. If that's enabled, the hammer is the 7th vote today.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 4:02 pm I think she had TMI on epi, partly bc I really thought epi was bad lol

Kind of mirrors my concern. I don’t know how her read on Epi developed to become the only one she felt in her soul. They had that exhange early in the game when Gemma was accusatory of him, and then a cycle later there was nothing but a civilian read.

EOD is in 3.5 hours and our poll is a splatter. Get in here, gang.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 1:43 amam glad i was right about epig at least, that was the only read i felt in my soul

Can anyone look at Gemma's progression on Epi and tell me how this read came to be?

I want to lynch people and none of them are saying anything.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 1:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:54 am Dragon D. Luffy, tell me about Gemma.

I dunno man, she has been kind of a big neutral to me all game. I really dislike any case based on "she posted a lot and didn't immediately give reads" because I feel like we have a bad habit of lynching people for having weird playstyles. But I don't have any particular reason to think she's a civ either.

Some players aren't inclined to "immediately" give reads, so I can attribute that to style without griping. As of Day 3 though with a lot of content in tow, it's hard to understand having no suspects.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 2:43 pm Who else has requested replacement? MP, Gemma, and???

That's it, though I figure Tsaiah is on the market too.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:42 pm Straw poll:

Who here believes any player in the poll should be given a pass or extension on the basis of requesting replacement?

I'd actually lynch one of them to help out Sloonei.

Works for me. I don't trust them anyway.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:50 pm I am your host and I demand you get a box of tissues for god’s sake!

It'd last an estimated eight minutes. I could start a bonfire with these snot rags.

JessieKruger wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:07 am Mplus7 is likely scum feels like he has been under radar for a while will need to iso him .


I dont like novas defense of dragomir as well.

He was desperate for owners lynch .

I continue to be bugged by this. The notion of "desperation" is hard to take seriously, and it's unclear why that makes Dragomir bad in the first place. Looks fake.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 12:44 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:47 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:08 am Considering all the shit I have on my plate, it’s miraculous that I’ve given as much to this game as I have.

Now I seem to have caught speedchuck’s plague. I’ve been bedridden for like twelve hours. I’ll be here later when it’s feasible. Take it or leave it.

Both you and speedy are sick? You should be resting then. Mafia is probably hurting your eyes.

Jeez, I wasn't THAT sick. Just a cold and achy thing.

My nose has destroyed 3 rolls of toilet paper today. What have you done to me?

Straw poll:

Who here believes any player in the poll should be given a pass or extension on the basis of requesting replacement?

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], tell me about Gemma.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:25 am Among the "active" players I think Gemma looks the worst. Replacement be damned. 155 posts and no reads apart from this token set of civilians. I don't really know why those reads exist either.

Not to mention that replacements are often correlated with scumminess for some reason.

And man, replacing out because the person who asked you to join the game died? WTF?

To be fair MP isn't dead. He asked for a replacement too.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:47 am First is suspecting me for what he saw as cowardly shading on him. Second post seems like he's having beef on Jack for his sheeping on me. Third post feels like he's now giving me beef for being flickle, which he then reassesses after I explain him that I always play like that.

It's not much, but it's gameplay.

[mention]rundontwalk2[/mention] will have to clarify for himself, but I don't think it was his intention to shade Jack there. I think he was agreeing with Jack agreeing with you -- link. You stated a gripe with Dragomir, Jack agreed with it, and RDW used "this convo" as the basis for his Dragomir vote.

All I see from RDW's Day 2 is a tag-a-long on the Dragomir wagon and a very brief interaction with you, [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]. Tell me what you like.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:43 am RDW had a string of posts in Day 2 that felt like legit game solving with the little time he had.

Lemme see

As a judge of activity, I'm less concerned with pure posting rate and more with how organic that posting rate seems to be with respect to the pace of the game itself. Luxurious is a good example here -- she's not hyperactive, but her play is such that she can serve that facilitator role that would often fall to people like Sloonei or myself effectively and I think it has promoted a more pro-civilian thread climate. That's a good thing. Raw activity doesn't always meet that standard.

I agree with DDL on the base premise that nobody in this game has been so active that I'd view it as a strong case for civilianhood. My faith in that mindset has diminished anyway in the post-dunya era. She obliterated even MP's example -- she posted at a higher rate than I've ever seen from any civilian in Fire Emblem. It was remarkable.

If she can do it, other people can do it. It's rare, but I've softened on that theory.

When I did the trustfall I had to squeeze every blood vessel in my brain to generate a response for RDW.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:35 am Because you weren't quite exploding the thread in Steely Dan either, but I could feel your civiness in my bones.

I don't like to talk about other active games even if I'm dead, so I'm going to cut this off here.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:33 am I think atm if I had to choose between Gemma and Dragomir I’d go Gemma

Between those two, same.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:34 am Would you say you were also having trouble being that active in Steely Dan?

Early in the game I was not. Late in the game I fell off a cliff. It coincides with the same stuff.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:33 am Jay has a theory that it's almost impossible for a baddie to completely explode a thread, to the point the entire thread becomes about him. He only recognizes two exceptions to it: MP and dunya, one time each. Jay himself has never broken that threshold as bad. Every time he did, he was a civ.

Some day I will break the thresshold.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:22 am According to Jay himself there is a celiling to how much work he can fake as scum, but I don't think he has hit that ceiling yet.

I'm not specifically judging him for activity though. I'm just not feeling he has his head into figuring out this game the way he does in most games I see him as a civ. Civ Jay is more... annoying, to use a negative term (sorry). He's around, changing his mind all the time and making people unconfortable. Here I barely remember what he has done, it's like Mac and Epi and Jack have been the activity commanders.

There was a game where I caught Jay letting someone else (Sloonei) be the town leader and he was bad. Jay's activity in that game was a step lower than this one, though, I think.

Being an annoying bastard demands that I am here. The constancy you expect is a product of availability, which at present just does not exist. I cannot patrol the thread all day like I often would, and that means my posture in the game has to adapt to compensate. The role I play for the civilians is dependent upon the circumstances I am faced with. Consider me less the facilitator and more the analyst.

Among the "active" players I think Gemma looks the worst. Replacement be damned. 155 posts and no reads apart from this token set of civilians. I don't really know why those reads exist either.

I just saw Gemma wants to be replaced. Gang, replacements don't grow on trees. Damn.

Considering all the shit I have on my plate, it’s miraculous that I’ve given as much to this game as I have.

Now I seem to have caught speedchuck’s plague. I’ve been bedridden for like twelve hours. I’ll be here later when it’s feasible. Take it or leave it.

I had an easy time with relatively few of those. I need our civilians to be more overt. Indeed I could flip a number of those pro-civilian arguments on their head if I so desired. Particularly, anything relating to [insert night action here] means less to me in this setup. I had to rely too much on reasoning that can be reduced to "sounds good, k".

I struggled most with RDW and Jessie in the effort to compile that.

Operation: Trustfall

Why is Player X a civilian?

Dragomir

He hasn't been shy about stating strong viewpoints and taking assertive stances, nor with responding to accusations hurled his way.

Dragon D. Luffy

He appears to be quite comfortable in this game thread despite having been the subject of some strong accusations from the earliest period to now. Doesn't seem to have an agenda to pursue at a glance.

Gemma

She has posted loosely from the get-go, and has been able to maintain that sort of rapid-fire dialogue when she has been around to make posts. She stepped out quickly to claim a protection on me as soon as it was revealed that there was no kill.

JessieKruger

He missed the first game cycle in its entirety. Despite that, he has returned and made an effort to make a meaningful contribution instead of remaining a permanent slanker.

Luxurious

She has been highly active and engaged in a wide breadth of topics in the game thread, and has seemed comfortable in a role of content facilitation throughout. Her tone is good. She claimed to jail me, a target corroborated by Owner and an effect corroborated by myself.

M Plus 7

If he is a mafioso alongside a brand new guy like Ultra, he might feel a greater sense of obligation to make a difference in the game at his own home site.

MacDougall

His play is markedly different from what was just seen in another game where he was offed straightaway. He has been aggressive and fearless, and he doesn't seem concerned with the consequences to himself.

novaselinenever

He's developed a consistent style in recent civilian games, and he has essentially adhered to that in this game. He spearheaded the lynch of Ultra on Day 1 and looked authentic in the effort.

Owner of a Lonely Heart

She revealed her track of Lux to me in such a way that it looks like a genuine hunting effort, particularly in the wake of Gemma's doctor claim. She has been generally true to her civilian persona for investigating the game from a mindset uniquely her own built upon meta and night actions.

rundontwalk2

He doesn't appear to feel any urgency to generate reads (in this context, fake reads) and is happy enough to play the role of a follower while he is behind with the game.

speedchuck

My interpretation of his interactions with Ultra is positive for him, in that I have a feeling Ultra committed TMI regarding speedchuck in his accusations against me. He voted Ultra early, and he based that vote on an original suspicion (that Ultra was leaning on nova as a crutch).

Tsaiah

The dice favor the civilian faction.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 5:32 pm I'm here

I'm doing a trustfall. You might as well do a trustfall.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 2:35 pm You were complaining that I didn't dig and talk to DDL when I had the chance. I ask if it's common to have 2 agendas when interacting with players on this site because digging and to voice my opinions directly to him was not my plan and that was obvious. Me correcting DDL was the plan.

I don't really agree. How much emotion a player has isn't dictated by their alignment but their mood and how they just play the game imo.

Why should I voice my concern directly to him? I don't see a point in it when I've been voicing my concern about him all game and he definitely saw those posts.

I don't understand what you're trying to say in the bolded. I obviously want to lynch the guy, but you guys don't share the same mindset so I'll try against somebody else I think is scum.

There's some potential for culture and/or personal style clash. It would seem to me that the best way to work out a read is to talk to the player being read. I am not going to press the issue here, because everyone has a different idea of how to play the game. Do your thing and I'll be the judge.

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:54 pm One thing that concerns me about JJJ's town read of me: he knows I play exactly the same way regardless of alignment

When RDW said this he was speaking something generally agreeable (if perhaps not exactly right, because nobody is identical between alignments now matter how confident they are to the contrary). On that front, I don't think he is "off-meta" in his posting character. He could be off in his posting rate, which used to be higher. He's busy. None of this means much to me anyway. I'll offer more concrete beefs:

He left his Day 1 vote on a placeholder. Bleh

His Day 2 vote went to Dragomir. He attributed it to beefs stated by DDL and Jack. His personal investment was limited.

These things aren't awful in isolation, but an entire post history of it is underwhelming. He hasn't generated a read of his own since Day 0, and Day 0 accounts for 44% of his posts to this point. That's a considerable fall-off. I get finals week -- I've been dealing with that too. The excuse allows only limited slack though.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:43 pm I think I want to look at JaggedJimmyJay and RDW a bit. Or Jay the only one who knows how to read him?

RDW has only played one other full game here. Mac and I have both played with him a lot in years' past on RYM (MP as well to a lesser extent). I don't take much interest in such dated meta, but if you have questions the lemme have 'em.