The Syndicate

[mention]Luxurious[/mention], I am reading your case against speedchuck and am struggling to discern a narrative or theme in what you are saying about him (if you intended for there to be one apart from "he's suspicious"). I don't fully follow your case. If you could reduce it to one or two sentences that expresses why he is bad, that would be super.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 10:44 am Yes I do treat somethings as facts because that's how it is in my POV. What does emotionless posts have to do with anything? Explain to me what I was supposed to talk to DDL about in those interactions? Cause I wanted to correct his post on me trying to lynch him the entire game. I'm not sure what else there was to talk about cause there wasn't. Is it a common theme on this site to interact against players with 2 agendas in mind?

I'm don't know what you mean in the highlighted question.

I view emotion (or the lack thereof) to be an important indicator which can shed light on otherwise vague notions of "tone" or "vibes" which comprise guts reads et cetera. I believe that, in a vacuum, mafia members are generally less emotional in their posts than are civilians. There are exceptions as with any "tell", but I don't really care about exceptions.

What I mean regarding your exchange with DDL was that instead of voicing your concerns about him directly to him, you alleviated his concern that you wanted to lynch him. This is something that you have since loudly protested. Whatever your intention may be, I am telling you right now that it hasn't always been clear what you want to do with the player Dragon D. Luffy. "Not making a big push" (whatever that means) is meaningless to me. Clearly you are and have been pursuing his lynch -- it is probably the most pronounced aspect of your post history. This manner of technicality and your insistence about it strikes me as at best misplaced. I don't know why that is important to you from a civilian perspective.

I reviewed Gemma's posts with a mind for finding stances, any stances, to determine where she stands at present. What constitutes a "stance" can be debated; I omitted some posts which reflected reads going both ways at once (or something similar) and questions she asked which could imply reads but don't necessarily.

Gemma's positive reads:

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Gemma's negative reads:

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Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:00 am Vote: jackofhearts

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:14 am i don't like his attitude

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:32 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:19 am Talk to me about Jack. What do you see in his attitude?
read this post and let me know if there is any actual reasoning for a scumread in it

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:56 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:15 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:56 pm Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.
[VOTE: Speedchuck] aubergine
Oof. Remember all the times DDL didn't do shit like this?

And remember the time he did shit like this to me when he was scum in Addams Family?

Bad reason to vote Speedchuck. Welcome to my scumreads.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:33 pm vote: ultra

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:38 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL
i agree that was a bad vote dot tm

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:57 pm um

epig shaded jjj with what i thought was a really bad question, so i asked him what his jjj read was in order to tell if he was town genuinely suspecting jjj or scum just wanting to throw cheap shade. he refused to tell me what his jjj read actually was. how exactly does my questioning feel weird when it was epig who was being rude to me and trying to gaslight me?

i wasn't implying that jjj should be townread, or anything else about him. if there is a reason for jjj to be town it's probably his wild bursts of posting, but that's not very good reasoning

i loled because what else am i supposed to do when someone refuses to talk to me and eventually answered my question about someone he is apparently scumreading by saying that he doesn't have to talk about his townreads. nothing i've asked is surface level, you just aren't looking any deeper, and apparently aren't even reading the posts if that is your takeaway from our exchange? the dude is clearly more interested in his own sense of privilege than actually talking to another person as an equal (sorry if that's a bit harsh)

Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:07 am i don't think his question was in good faith

Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:09 pm I have no objections to a Soneji lynch, but I moved back to MP as a placeholder.
I just voted Jack. Come back to this wagon. Competing wagons are fun.

Gemma wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 12:24 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:51 pm What would you do Gemma?
Shoot Jack 3 times.

As it stands, all of the people mentioned in that "negative" group are gone, which means that now, the following is literally true:

Gemma wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 7:26 pm Idk, I don't think I can vote Dragomir here over Soneji when Soneji has been super no show. I don't really think either of them are super likely to flip mafia but I have no scumreads this game so that probably doesn't mean very much

It's rare to find someone with 150 posts by EOD2 in a situation with no suspicions left to start D3. This post history is aimless to an extent that I struggle to take seriously.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 2:07 amWtf is this bad good shit?

Gun-to-head reads. We took stances on each player without allowing anything other than "good" or "bad".

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 2:07 amAlso, the hell are the logical reasons for me being scum? I don't see any.

Stuff like this rubs me the wrong way:

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You seem to be treating the game like there are obvious facts and "logic" to callback your original question here. Your post history is emotionless, and it looks like you're playing Mafia with a calculator.

Also when you had an opportunity to dig in and talk with DDL, the guy you've suspected so much, this was what came of that:

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Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:41 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:37 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:47 pm This reeks of chainsaw defense.
You know, isn't Ultra technically chainsaw defending DDL here when he attacks JJJ here? Especially even more as Ultra went to make his stance and vote on JJJ. I mean, he's technically defending DDL by attacking JJJ's vote on DDL calling it out as a chainsaw defense. This makes me sus of DDL even more.

novaselinenever I understand your case against JJJ but I press x to doubt that he's buddies with Ultra. The latter made his case and vote against JJJ and it's not like Ultra was in any danger of being lynched at that time for a distance attempt to make sense here, so what Ultra's fake case on JJJ is not coming off as a bus or distance imo. Also, I'm strong scum reading Owner and she also made her wishy washy case against JJJ, who again Ultra used for his fake case, so I definitely see more of a pairing between two buddies going against one townie there.
Dragomir if all you do in the game is place a picture of me on your wall and throw shit at it you are going to be lynched before I am.
Lol, ok. Didn't say anything about trying to get you lynched here, only pointed out something interested. But aight then.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:53 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:51 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:49 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:47 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:46 pm Didn't say anything about trying to get you lynched here
What?

You practically cursed me and all my descendants and threatened to pour salt onto our land.
By saying that what Ultra did made you look worse?
What about yesterday? You did nothing but attack me.

Are you backtracking on that?
I don't care what happened last DP. I'm talking about the now. I'm still sussing you for what I called you out for but I'm not planning on making an almighty push you at this moment.

I mean, what is this reassurance to DDL that you're not trying to lynch him? Eh?

JessieKruger wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2019 1:07 am I dont like novas defense of dragomir as well.

He was desperate for owners lynch .

Please point to the post or posts you are referring to specifically, and then tell me why they make Dragomir a mafioso.

Gonna have to be later anyway. I have eight thousand tests to grade tonight.

Apparently I closed it and didn't save.

I like the way we have opened this poll. Fire meet arse.

Some JessieKruger stuff

Note: I'm not sure where Jessie is from. There may be a language barrier.

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This seems quite awkward to me as a first effort to get involved with game-relevant dialogues. I don't know what "the link" is that Jessie is referring to regarding Gemma and Ultra (or if he meant "a" link). In any event it just looks cooked. This is similar.

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This is all vague, and it strikes me as an effort to justify a vote for Dragomir rather than to explain suspicion of Dragomir.

I would like to see y'all other players who missed the exercise still provide your own "gun-to-head" (GTH) reads on everyone else. I'll even include them in the eventual chart with an asterisk.

I will compile our fascinating fuckin three-person chart in a little while.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:49 pm JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
M PLUS 7
LUXURIOUS

great butt
bad
good

JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
M PLUS 7
LUXURIOUS

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:48 pm MACDOUGALL
SPEEDCHUCK

good
good

MACDOUGALL
SPEEDCHUCK

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I will set you on fire.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:46 pm GEMMA
OWNER OF A LONELY HEART

bad
good

GEMMA
OWNER OF A LONELY HEART

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:44 pm RUNDONTWALK2
TSAIAH

bad
good

RUNDONTWALK2
TSAIAH

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:42 pm NOVASELINENEVER
JESSIEKRUGER

good
bad

NOVASELINENEVER
JESSIEKRUGER

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] go

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:40 pm DRAGOMIR
DRAGON D. LUFFY

bad
good

DRAGOMIR
DRAGON D. LUFFY

Y'all best be here. Reminder: quote the post featuring the names when you give your reads. Makes counting way easier.

Are we all still here, invisible babies? Gimme an aye.

Well eff it then. Four people. Mac and nova know the drill. [mention]Luxurious[/mention], here's how it works: I am going to call out the names of players still living in this game in segments (multiple posts). Simply quote the post and give me a TOWN or MAFIA (or whatever other equivalent terms you prefer). You may not use any intermediary read like "neutral" or "null" because those are bullshit and against the law.

Luxurious please play more here. You're fun.

All y'all newcomers are a pleasure.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:28 pm nova is clearly doing this, so we have four. Four sucks. I'll accept it if I have to. Give it a few minutes in case someone gets in here.
I'm actually not

well why the hell not

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:30 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:27 pm [VOTE: JessieKruger] aubergine
Did you see the townie mindset that Gemma saw? lol

Assuming you're talking about this, yes my reaction was a yikes.

There are a couple of those that I'll highlight later.

nova is clearly doing this, so we have four. Four sucks. I'll accept it if I have to. Give it a few minutes in case someone gets in here.

[VOTE: JessieKruger] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:22 pm I am phone posting. Can you coordinate GTH Jay?

If we have a decent five people or more.

All: if you're here, you're required to participate in a brief exercise. New people may not know it. I won't explain it until you tell me that you're participating. If you don't tell me that you're participating, you're bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:18 pm Now would be a good time to do trustfall or gth

I'm here.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:17 pm Jack thought Drago > Soneji but voted Soneji because Drago wagon looked worse

Why does Jack die there? Does that relieve suspicion on Drago? He only had two scum reads and Epi is now also dead.

Bleh

I am not inclined to draw major conclusions from night kill analysis, especially in this game with ambiguously-sourced vigilante shots.

Gemma calling Mac and Epi "town/town" for what appears to be no good reason reads like a beacon of TMI to me. I'm not pleased.

Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 6:43 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:23 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:47 am I think I'm townreading all of these people to some degree.

Owner
Speedy
Mac
Epig
DDL
JJJ
Why Epig?
His slappy slap with Mac is inane and predictable in a particular way that I recognize as town on town fighting.

I need you to expand on this, Gemma. Thoroughly.

Mac I need you to explain to me your earlier concern with Epignosis and the state of the poll re: DDL like I am five.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:10 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 04, 2019 7:10 pm One thing I have noted already is that there seems to have developed a clear dichotomy on the matter of speedchuck. As far as I have read (page 26), he has been harshly criticized by Epignosis, given strong support by myself, and I believe Lux was generally positive on him. I want to know what everyone thinks of him. If this conversation already occurred and I am not there yet, sit still or point the way.
That was the whole conversation

k more please

One thing I have noted already is that there seems to have developed a clear dichotomy on the matter of speedchuck. As far as I have read (page 26), he has been harshly criticized by Epignosis, given strong support by myself, and I believe Lux was generally positive on him. I want to know what everyone thinks of him. If this conversation already occurred and I am not there yet, sit still or point the way.

k

I'm around and getting back up to speed with what I missed here. Poke me in the meantime if you've questions, comments, or compliments.

Hey gang, I’m going to have to suck today. Another obligation I cannot miss has caught me by surprise and it’s a drive. I don’t know if I can be here at all. I will try.

I would lynch Soneji. Dragomir is an acceptable alternative.

I’ll also affirm that my action failed last night re: Lux’s jail claim.

I'll be at the hockey game tonight.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention], go Columbus Blue Jackets

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:37 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:33 pm Tell me where my interactive reads are wrong.
With Jack specifically?

I don't know. I hadn't seen them until now, nor have I read the entire thread.

I meant in general, but sure that's a good place to start.

Tell me where my interactive reads are wrong.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:09 pm [VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

I have no reason to call him a civilian. His interaction with Ultra can be questioned. I don't think he looks great at face value either.

[VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

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