The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:42 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Alright Kyle, I'm on board. Putting my vote on Jay for the time being.

Thank you.

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

KEEP THE TIE.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:41 pm Unvote JJJ

[VOTE: gwilikers6] aubergine

Fuck’s sake. Why.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:40 pm Who do I vote for? My burning passion for Dunya has burnt out.

Did it ever really exist?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:37 pm Keep the tie.

If Dwarf if mafia he dies. If Dwarf is town, I die and he’s confirmed.
There's no tie. If Dwarf is mafia and gwil's vote counts for two then it's 5-5 and you die bc you hit 5 first

[VOTE: Iron_Dwarf] aubergine

Keep the tie.

Keep the tie.

If Dwarf if mafia he dies. If Dwarf is town, I die and he’s confirmed.

I want gwilly in a tie. I will not self-preserve to maintain it unless someone gives me a good mechanical argument to the contrary.

I wish I could provide a stronger read. I have considered declining to preserve myself given the damage it could do if Dwarf is a civilian. Someone with more time should make a juicy case and strengthen my confidence.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:21 pm Jay. What is your ID read? I cannot find it.

Orange skittle. I think he has done/said a few things which aren’t ideal at face value. I have no compelling reason to give him civilian credit.

Anyway, there's still a good chance I'm going to be dead when this phase ends, so those who are convinced I'm bad because you are the champions of reading JaggedJimmyJay might have your lust for my blood satisfied. I just ask that you begin to formulate an auxiliary game theory for when you are shown that you are mistaken.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:02 pm Vocalise your point rather than belittling a player you believe to be a civ.

Continue to judge Play Like A Normal Person Jimmy the exact same way you judge Supertown Jimmy and you're going to be wrong about everything.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:53 pm I am 0 for 3 hey... Interesting comment. For someone so confident in their civ reads you would think you would be a bit more assertive in the thread.

I won't be around much the remainder of the phase. I have work to do. I will check in though, and if you have specific reads you'd like from me then just ask with a tag please. If you ask me to defend myself over some silly shit, expect to be ignored.

lapluie's general demeanor in recent content is starting to look more like it did in Mortal Kombat. She was highly active and voiced her opinions freely, but she was also hesitant to pull the trigger.

lapluie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:10 am I don't wanna start mislynching players based off of false assumptions/ info, like last games murder crisis, blah that was a mess ;___;

I'm not inclined to presume this post was intended for meta replication. She has little reason to believe we'd have such a specific expectation anyway.

If there's a general civilian read who is wrongly trusted, my money would be on sig right now. I agree with LC's earlier suggestion that sig's "people tried to lynch lapluie to save X mafioso" thing is dubious. It's an accusation I see plenty, but it's barely ever correct and people ought to be learning their lessons by this point. I don't endorse his lynch today, but I recommend a more vigilant investigation of his content.

RDW's turn on me when I voiced some suspicion of him relative to the case originally posted by Epignosis -- that as a civilian I am usually able to see that RDW is also a civilian (historically that bears out) -- looked authentic. I read his lion and baby gazelle routine as being the proper sort in this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:24 pm It is most definitely not based on nothing good sir.

I believe that you think so. I think you're literally 0 for 3 though. I couldn't even state a confident read on Dwarf, who appears equal parts slippy derpy mafioso and sig-as-misunderstood-civilian. He's lynchable if not especially inspiring.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:12 pm This is the part where Jay begrudgingly changes his vote to Iron Dwarf for self preservation. Iron Dwarf gets lynched and flips Mafia. Jay, nutella and rdw turn out to be scum but nobody believes it because why would they bus? Epi is mislynched tomorrow. I get nightkilled. Speedchuck is depressed at the end of the game. How did we get it so wrong!? He cries.

Or you could stop trying to construct an entire Mafia team from nothing.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:16 pm I was referring to nutella holding off, probably waiting to see which bandwagon wins out.

Okay that makes more sense.

I read nutella as a civilian at face value. I am concerned though that after having handed her the supatown scepter her effort seems to have decreased.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:14 pm
Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:13 pm nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game
You've been calling her opportunistic the whole game. She is both opportunistic and waffly?
Yes?

Name some other waffles you have observed from nutella apart from the post about me DDL was discussing.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 3:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 8:52 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:52 am I'm trying to convince myself you guys are right about Jay but it's not easy. I'm not really feeling it. Maybe I'll work up the patience to skim his iso tomorrow and make up my mind from there, but at the moment if it's gonna be between him and I_D I'm probably going with the latter
If you don't believe it say you don't believe it and vote against it. Your waffling doesn't look good.
nutella in a nut(ella?)shell this game

You've been calling her opportunistic the whole game. She is both opportunistic and waffly?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:26 pm @JaggedJimmyJay can I see a link of a game you felt mafia burnout during, in which your gameplay suffered because of it?

That's a highly specific request. I don't know if both of those factors held true, but I recall experiencing a lot of burnout in these two:

Tree Mafia

Phenon Mafia

I should make it clear that I am not crapping out in this game purely as a result of burnout, though that isn't helping matters. I said why I'm crapping out earlier, and I am not going to repeat it. Folks can go digging if they want.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:13 am Caught up: mac and Jay are both town and squabbling over who has a bigger monster truck

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 8:23 pm JJJ and Dr_whites kerfuffel is town-town. With Jay being a ruthless killer. Outside of that I’m not sure much else to think of Dr_white.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:51 am [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine
[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

sprityo TMIs two of my fist fights until it eventually becomes apparent that hey, maybe we ARE actually going to mislynch JJJ. *shrug*

I really jacked up the code there with the vote tags inside the spoiler. I think you get the point. If you don't, ask.

I suspect DrWilgy is engaging in deliberate meta replication. Recall Mortal Kombat when early in the game he chose Sloonei (the extremely active Day 1 civilian) as his top suspect, and in nearly every suspicion-relevant post that was his pursuit. Lynch Sloonei. DrWilgy was a civilian, and it became quickly evident that his vendetta was ill-advised. I don't recall it generating any interesting reactions either, or least none that he used to develop other reads.

In this game he has chosen to do the exact same thing that worked poorly last time, with dunya as his chosen immense-activity target. While it isn't affirmed that dunyachuck is a civilian, I think it is the most likely reality by such a margin that I am willing to build my read on others against that assumption. Examples:

Spoiler: show

[VOTE:

] aubergine

Actually come to think of it, the last two times I've been mislynched (Tree Mafia and RYM #78 about four years ago), I was lynched largely on the strength of my "casework" having been perceived as weaker than usual. Then after I was mislynched, the civilians lynched my top suspect who then flipped mafia. MovingPictures and Adrift were the baddies. So if you follow throw with hanging me today, you know what to do next.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 2:06 am A civilian JJJ does not have to burn himself out. He would still not lie down and take this.

He is bad. He is going mum. He is a big voice until someone challenges him. People give JJJ free reign over the civscape (ooh, did I just make a word?), but they never challenge him until it is too late.
Funny because the last time we had scum JJJ and were about to lynch him, he spewed like fifty posts into the thread as WIFOM. When JJJ was Bravo, he talked as much as possible while going down, and scraped his way to victory. "Going mum?"

Doesn't sound consistent with my meta-JJJ read.

Ding ding ding.

"Going mum" as a tell that I am evil is frankly hilarious.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:35 pm Has civ Jay ever been mislynched in this site? Do we have data about how he reacts to it?

Tree Mafia

I don't think meta means much given that I am nothing like either my typical civilian or mafia self right now, but there you go.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 20, 2018 12:15 pm Hell no.

Up your lynch game. It's better than a nightkill.

Eh? We can lynch somebody and then kill another somebody.

I kind of love this tally. If Dwarf is mafia, then his teammates have to decide between bussing him and contributing to a mislynch of a guy who has been lynched twice in 29 Syndicate games.

I didn't do any mod things. I don't know about this spoiler or this red thing, but I tell you what it sounds creepy. I'm creeped.

Good night Long Con. It has been lovely playing in this Mafia game with you tonight. I think I will also retire.

Y'all just use your POE and you'll be fine. You're excellent at finding civilians. I believe in you to do that. You're bad at finding mafia, but that's not an insult. For the most part, that's the way of things. I've never been great at finding the first one either. Find your civilians, and when you finally snag a red flip -- hammer out those interactions and narrow further until they've nowhere left to squirm. I believe in you.

Mac, I'm not sure what you mean by that.

Dragon D. Luffy
MacDougall
nutella
speedchuck

Epignosis
gwilikers6
Kenway
Kites
Kylemii
Long Con
rundonwalk
sig

colonialbob
DrWilgy
Iron_Dwarf
lapluie
Marmot
Quin
sprityo

It might be for the best if I get lynched. Y'all need to move past this, and maybe you'll be more willing to listen to my corpse. Cool.

Rainbow list coming.

If the rabbit kill was intentional, it was super lame. The guy got wasted so fast in MK when he was active, cooled down for this, and got wasted again anyway. Shame on you, mafia. Let the man play.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 9:07 pm LOL WTF how is that only my fault?

It wasn't only your fault. You were a part of a collective oopsie. It was silly. We learn from our oopsies.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:29 pm I have a hypothesis.

Jimmy has been trying to bus a teammate for cred. He's been adamantly pushing the idea that lynching an easy player CAN net scum. Obviously it can. But he has belaboured the point. Why? Because he wants us to give ourselves unto him and let him bus a teammate for cred.

I certainly wanted to do that in Mountain Mafia.

It isn't my design here, but go ahead and believe that if you like. It'll be a good opportunity to remedy your MK oopsie of leaving Simon alive despite thinking Jack was bussing him. If you think I'm bussing a low poster, then let me do it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:37 pm @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think of the idea that Iron Dwarf is copping a lot of heat from Mafia teammates?

It's a believable scenario. He has made numerous derpy type posts which mafia teammates, if they exist, will worry about more than they probably should. That kind of thing tends to bring about distancing.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:41 pmmore juicy cases.

The problem with your mindset is here.

I understand it; I don't fault you for it; it's okay.

I didn't see a single juicy case on Days 1 or 2. The juiciest case I felt existed was my own case on Dr. White, until it was no longer juicy. I maintain that Day 2 was barely better than an extension of Day 2. No lynches are garbage unless they provide conclusive alignment intelligence on the player who didn't die. Y'all can exchange your juicy cases as much as you like, but I think they've been crap. I am now being subject to one of them.

Civilians are bad at this.

This game has been, until recently as I have faded to the background and dunya was replaced, a hurricane. Mafia members can't keep up as easily with a hurricane as civilians. So lynch a slacker. I say it every game these days when they move anywhere near this quickly. Nobody listens to me. I've nearly always been right. Mortal Kombat was an arguable exception, though the civilians were blind in the end of that one to some obvious tells anyway. Because they're bad at this.

Easy targets? You're damned right. That means nothing about alignment. Lynching me instead is objectively foolish under these conditions when such a long game is ahead of us for various other possibilities to show themselves (I manage to clear myself as I often seem to, the mafia kill me for you, or a mafia flip qualifies reads on me beyond terrible meta reads which have no bearing on reality). If I had more fire, I might argue it harder. I don't.

Later in the phase I'll give more useful reads. I'm letting this day phase develop mostly without me.

Y'all are only answering half of my question.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.
JaggedJimmyJay

What's up?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:58 pm Y'all tell me who you want me to kill next night phase, and then tell me if you think it's worth using that kill if it roleblocks and level-blocks every other civilian.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Minus MacDougall, I think speedchuck's rainbow is generally agreeable.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:19 pm LC GOT CAUGHT IN A LIE OMG LYNCH HIM SINCE CIVS NEVER EVER EVER MAKE MISTAKES.

Though seriously the fact he blatantly ignored this is troubling he's morphing facts to try to prove a point, cover for jay, and get me lynched. If he isn't mafia he's a tunneling civ who's opinion doesn't mean much.

As of right now i think Jay messed with my action somehow, lc is covering for him.

Also with secret powers in play we can't and shouldn't just take jay saying he's an archer so he couldn't do anything seriously nor that gwil was redirected. Since guess what the same ppl who believe this and are saying this proved i lied flat out rejected that i could've been redirected also.

I didn't say I am an archer. If you're going to give people shit for being lazy, you'll need to make sure you actually read the thread yourself.

I have no interest in lynching you. I bodyguarded Mac.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm It's an archer role ability.
I don't see anything about softness in that role ability.

Also, this damns sig's lie even more since "Fliers can't target your target." Sig couldn't even have been misdirected by a flier.

First word of the second line under the role name.

It's an archer role ability.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:50 am This was my exact result btw: “**f*** *m ** - s*g”

I was drunk last night and working now so I haven’t put the slightest effort into decoding it. Have at it.

Soften 'em up. It corroborates I think Kites (?) who said they boosted sig's kill chance. I obviously didn't do that, so you were misdirected or something.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:19 am You don't deny that you are buddying her. You're bad.

I don't care about these accusations. They're boring. It's boring. I will be shown as a civilian in due time and you will know. My competitive drive in this game was extinguished the first time I was made aware that my style of play was hindering newcomers from enjoying themselves. The damage became permanent when I absolutely lost my shit and contributed to a facilitator intervention. I have been a blight on this game, and I hope that another may replace my effort with greater grace.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:16 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:13 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:10 am you guys are giving me whiplash from all the talking past each other/misinterpretation going on here
I think you're a civilian, and right now you might be the only one with his or her head on straight. While I take it easy and recharge my dead batteries, I hereby charge you, brave nutella, with the task of leadership. This is your time, here and now. All of your growth as a player since around the time of the first Phenon game has prepared you for this moment. Take it, own it, and lead the civilians with the iron will I know you have within you. The era of nutella begins today.
I don't know a fucking thing my guy

None of us really knows a fucking thing apart from a few isolated night action bits and flips. I believe in you. I want to see you take on this mantle, because I think you are one of the site's best players when you play with confidence. If you need help, just ask.

You can fear that I am buddying you; it would be understandable. I cannot be concerned with that. Right now my greatest interest in this game is in seeing nutella rise to supatown glory.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:16 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:13 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:10 am you guys are giving me whiplash from all the talking past each other/misinterpretation going on here
I think you're a civilian, and right now you might be the only one with his or her head on straight. While I take it easy and recharge my dead batteries, I hereby charge you, brave nutella, with the task of leadership. This is your time, here and now. All of your growth as a player since around the time of the first Phenon game has prepared you for this moment. Take it, own it, and lead the civilians with the iron will I know you have within you. The era of nutella begins today.
He's buddying you nutella.

You're jealous I didn't pick you.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:10 am you guys are giving me whiplash from all the talking past each other/misinterpretation going on here

I think you're a civilian, and right now you might be the only one with his or her head on straight. While I take it easy and recharge my dead batteries, I hereby charge you, brave nutella, with the task of leadership. This is your time, here and now. All of your growth as a player since around the time of the first Phenon game has prepared you for this moment. Take it, own it, and lead the civilians with the iron will I know you have within you. The era of nutella begins today.

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