The Syndicate

Good luck, gang. Hope it’s a good night.

Maybe motobot is just mafia.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:53 pm I'm here to move my vote. [VOTE: PA] aubergine.

I could only skim a few things.

I'm not mafia, so PA's vote is empty and nothing was done with it as far as I could tell.

I don't have a good reason to think moto is good, so I'm fine with the votes there.

S~V~S voting for someone on the basis of "not because I think this person is bad" is not what I would associate with good S~V~S, so I'm fine with the votes there.

If you approve of those other votes, why not place one along with them? We have less than five minutes to discuss Abigail as an option.

To be clear, I have little confidence about falcon.

Assuming the site loads

We have 12 minutes, and I won’t let this sit on a tie.

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:44 pm I think I'm going to take JJJ, Roxy, Long Con, and Falcon as town. Which leaves Abi, Epi, SVS, and Motobot and that's narrow enough for a locked game if it's right.

I like this.

If motobot is flipped town, that’d be a good indicator that this vague half-consensus we’re coming to is not well-founded.

I N F O R M A T I O N

Shitty reason to eliminate someone, but at least I have no town read on anything of his.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:33 pm I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care
Why Shouldn't You Vote For X Instead?

Maybe that's a fun game.

Why shouldn't you vote for falcon instead of motobot?

falcon is a near-consensus town read and represents some slim hope of building a viable process of elimination solve. His handling of Thunal and S~V~S looked legit.

Just to honor the question

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:39 pm And yes motobot is a boring vote which is why I didn't want to vote him at first. But at this point the bar for townieness is really high so I think he has an okay chance of flipping mafia.

I think the bar is way too LOW. Nobody here is that towny.

I get the impression S~V~S had no time to mount a push.

Even without one. Reads? Progression? Development? Impressions? Just a very thin post history relative to how it looks to the unfocused eye.

I could vote motobot too. It’d be incredibly uninspiring, but I don’t care

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:25 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:18 pm Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.
I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.
What I'm saying is she's playing for survival but not to the extent of making real pushes.

I don’t think that’s towny lol

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 4:18 pm Tbh, I think I see town SVS getting indignant here more than mafia SVS. You could say she's gunning for survival, sure, but the better way to do that would be to actually push someone which she isn't to me or LC. I think if she were mafia she wouldn't be able to resist throwing some shade at one or both of us.

I mean, behavioral analysis aside, she voted for her counterwagon into a 3-3 tie. That is explicitly about survival. That doesn't have to be mafia-indicative, but it's certainly survival-indicative.

Well the deadline is in an hour.

Syndicate is having a time right now.

Load up my pages, old girl.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:32 pm We killin towns we killin towns Wheeee

Are you able to describe why you believe in S~V~S and Thunal?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 3:20 pm But dearest JJJ that LAMIST was tongue in cheek I even put a

You tunneled me that entire Day 1.

I just want motobot to respond to the votes.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 2:05 pm One day I shall register for one of JJJ's classes, whilst also playing a game of Mafia w/ him at the same time...

"Excuse me, Doctor Jay...I notice the assigned reading is not on the syllabus?"

Jay grumbles incoherently, the smell of cheap bourbon thick in the air

*nods*

[VOTE: jjj] aubergine

Funny of you to imply any student has ever read a syllabus

If S~V~S is mafia, then her “I am only voting Thunal to save myself” is placing responsibility for Thunal on her other voters (who will presumably look worse when there’s a town flip).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 1:55 pm I doubt it @falcon45ca. Thunal was the first person to actually move against S~V~S with a vote.

See, that kind of stuff does not sway the needle at all for me

Maf vote each other all the time, I've done it on multiple occasions. Plus a vote is very...um, impermanent

I notice Thunal isn't voting SVS now

That’s fine. Mafia certainly vote for each other.

I just doubt it in this context.

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

Another concern for @S~V~S

Only one vote placed all day, and it was a self-preservation vote for a town read

I doubt it @falcon45ca. Thunal was the first person to actually move against S~V~S with a vote.

Indeed, being wrong once is forgivable.

Let's just remember that this game only allows us to be wrong twice. Three times is a loss.

Epignosis isn't exactly known for his eagerness to change his mind, so I can leave that one alone for now.

falcon's ISO is nothing, and his vote is nothing.

I don't like any of the votes on Thunal, and I might invert both town reads in that wagon.

So, in summary: I have no confident suspects. I have few confident town reads. The thread is a pile of null.

motobot could flip town and I would be zero percent surprised. motobot could flip mafia and I would be zero percent surprised.

My vote is only slightly better than a guess. Unfortunately, that is still true no matter who I vote for. I am beyond useless in games this slow, and I always have been. motobot is unlikely to become significantly more solvable in the near-enough future, so at least there's some manner of strategic validity to that vote regardless of the flip.

If I have to force myself to pretend someone is truly, genuinely, actually "suspicious" enough to matter, then I'll vote S~V~S.

I harbor very little real trust for this roster. Long Con is probably my top town read at this point, even him flipping mafia would be unsurprising.

falcon's ISO is pretty weak at this point. Just camping.

Games like this drive me nuts.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 10:00 am I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.
it's sad you just pick the lowest poster to take out. Really the easiest option as you will not have to defend your vote for Moto bc they probs won't have too much time to respond (I think they are in school?)

I do expect more from you than this tbh.

I absolutely don't care what people "expect" from me. My win condition is not to make the most impressive vote. It is to make the right vote. I have no reason to view motobot as a civilian.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:57 am My primary concern about S~V~S is what appears to be a stagnant slate of reads.

She called falcon and I town early, and that hasn't developed since so I suppose it holds. Now she has at least leaned in the town direction for Thunal (while voting). She has interacted a lot with Long Con, but I don't know how she reads him. She hasn't given a take on Epignosis or Roxy, both of whom she knows well as players.

So her primary objective right now is to survive rather than to solve. That can be town too, but it's plainly valid as a mafia agenda.
and what Thunal is doing is town?

Sure, could be.

Could be mafia too.

I can't fault her for viewing S~V~S and motobot with suspicion. So do I.

I think my town read of Roxy has strengthened.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay is it sane of me to tinfoil Epi? Probably not but I am anyway because I don't think I'd be his biggest suspect after all my interaction with him yesterday. His read on me feels too stagnant.

I would call that a valid criticism of Epignosis. He's a town read in a thread environment where the bar is pretty low. Anyone here can be mafia.

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:05 pm tap, tap, tap dancing a bit here Jay. So what if PA thinks you are performative. You do like center stage in games - that's normal for JJJ.
I also do not remember her calling you out in all games you have played together. Did you track that as a statistic? Now I am curious.

I'm not going to go digging around a hundred games, but here's an example from Ted Lasso Mafia:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:14 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:03 pm Some setup notes to be aware of moving forward:

The numbers ratio established in the OP is 12 vs. 4. This is a difficult but not unmanageable arrangement for town, particularly without the benefit of public role reveals.

If the game proceeds at a normal pace (one day elimination and one night kill per cycle), town only gets three mistakes before they reach an endgame phase. Town also boasts one kill (through the Dani Rojas role), but that kill alone would not change this number. It's still three mistakes maximum, and the mafia have two manners of kill protection available to them anyway.

The only way that number changes is with multiple night kill protections and/or a protection plus a kill (I think that works out).

With that in mind, we should just operate under the assumption at present that we are only allowed to make three mistakes. That is not very many. So we are going to have to play hard as a town team to overcome that. It can be done, but it will require concerted desire from everyone to make it so. So let's do that. The best weapon town possesses in a game like this is its ability to talk during the day phase, and so talk we must. Inactivity is more damaging in this setup than it would be in other setups. Mafia already boast a considerable voting block, and we must avoid helping them by unnecessarily splitting our votes or by leaving our votes off the board. These things routinely lose games, and they are unforced errors. We can avoid them if we are conscious of it and communicate effectively.

"Stop telling me how to play, Jay."

I appreciate everyone's right to do their thing, and I hope that's exactly what you do. Play however you like! I just want to emphasize that we begin this game in a difficult position, and that will not change for the better unless we cooperate.
LAMIST:p

("LAMIST" stands for "look at me I'm so town", which is just another way of calling someone performative)

[VOTE: motobot] aubergine

Another game that feels mostly like wild guessing. Joy.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:21 pm Like with you, I need to see more on topic with LC to form an opinion. I used to always think he was bad, so I need to focus on what he says rather than how he says it like I do with most people.

I need this to become a read. Long Con is now highly on-topic.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 12:19 am Also really digging being in PoE with the person I was voting

I especially like Epi and the

"I have no idea why Abbi is voting moto kill her

***literally 2 posts later***

Moto can die"

I think this post is kind of bogus. It doesn't have to be mafia bogus necessarily, but it's pointing to a contradiction that doesn't exist.

"I don't know why Abigail has placed the vote that she has placed" is not inconsistent with "I would vote for the player that Abigail voted for".

I played with motobot in Don't Starve Mafia (as his mafia teammate). He was quiet and unengaged with solving.

I played with motobot in Kagemusha Mafia (both town). He was still quiet, but I was able to find him with good confidence before Day 1 ended. That was primarily a product of his responses to early pressure. He has not responded to early pressure here. Perhaps he "anticipated" it when posting that he had no reads.

I don't have any compelling case to provide for motobot. It's an absence of town. If I vote for him, that will be the extent of it.

My primary concern about S~V~S is what appears to be a stagnant slate of reads.

She called falcon and I town early, and that hasn't developed since so I suppose it holds. Now she has at least leaned in the town direction for Thunal (while voting). She has interacted a lot with Long Con, but I don't know how she reads him. She hasn't given a take on Epignosis or Roxy, both of whom she knows well as players.

So her primary objective right now is to survive rather than to solve. That can be town too, but it's plainly valid as a mafia agenda.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:43 am Isn't mafia SVS more locked in to a push by now? I was going to continue my tunnel but I remember her hunting for pushes and being eager to shade people as mafia. Her responses feel unlike her bad self especially her bad self when she's being wagoned. I don't know who else it would be but I don't want to be locked in to her just because I can't name two mafia.

Maybe. I’m not sure that her time constraints have allowed for that either way.

I’d vote motobot too.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 29, 2024 9:38 am Next town game I want to do nothing but fluff to show people that I don't have to be serious and solving all the time. I won't but I want to.

I’m afraid that’s a reputation that never goes away no matter what you do.

@S~V~S, if you town read Thunal, who do you not town read?

I don’t have a clear impression of where you stand on most players.

I'm trying to visualize the reads that have been presented and identify patterns if any exist. These are loose estimations by me when it comes to color, since some of you did not use colors. Feel free to correct and/or complain if you feel like it.

Abigail is easily the most counter-culture here, and I'd say that's on-brand. It's not alignment-indicative. Under the present state of affairs, if we were to have motobot flip town, for example (or S~V~S; either would suggest immediate holes in the brewing "consensus"), I'd give more space to her to pursue these reads.

Roxy and falcon should probably be off-limits today unless someone not featured with reads up there has very strong feelings to the contrary.

motobot is the only negative consensus, which is pretty generic. I don't care. I'd vote him out on Day 1.

I'll be interested to see how Roxy, S~V~S, and motobot feel when they are able to share.

The day ends in 15.5 hours, most of which will be spent asleep and at work. Let’s try to make the most of what limited time we have before this day resolves.

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