The Syndicate

c4. What's the deal with c4?

unvote belzy and porscha
[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine
2/8

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:02 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 9:38 pm Finish this sentence:

Hollowkatt is town because...
hk has a consistent depth of thought that he isn't flaunting.

Plagiarized from myself.
Bruh tf does this mean
I'm pretty sure you know what all of those words mean. hk's been giving good and hard thoughts about the game in a not performative way.

Name three suspects.

I have no idea what is being discussed on this page.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 10:51 pm wait nvm he voted wilgy

oof, sorry we gotta yeet you now

[VOTE: c4] aubergine
3/8

c4's posts give off the impression that he is struggling to come up with arguments for people to be mafia.

Is this observation fair or unfair?

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:24 pm Also why is porcha town? There sideline commenting is not helpful in the slightest. If we’re tvt why can’t they be a scum trying to take advantage of the situation?

Because Belzy said so.
Belzy is town because they said Porscha is town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:19 pm c4's posts give off the impression that he is struggling to come up with arguments for people to be mafia.

Is this observation fair or unfair?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 11:19 pm c4's posts give off the impression that he is struggling to come up with arguments for people to be mafia.

Is this observation fair or unfair?
Not sure. c4 seems to be defending people like JPIC and like atp I see everyone easily coming up with townreads and struggling to come up with wolfreads.

I get a distinct impression from c4's posts that he is trying to find people to suspect, but, for whatever reason, he is unable to make any progress on a push. It's something I've associated with mafia members in the ancient past.

I noted it in real time, then skimmed his ISO to see if it was a trend on Day 1 as well. I feel that it was.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:35 am ppl dizzy was voting for
112
drwigly
paopan
sabie
sig
TSP

these are probably not all town

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:12 pm Dizzy is town by default
This is a really odd dismissal of the scum reads on Dizzy D1.

Actually the more Neeko reads this ISO the worse it becomes.
A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.
It's boarderline too lazy to be wolf posts. They are actually just coasting lol.

That was not a read on Dizzy in this game. That was a comment about Dizzy as a mafia player/human being in general.

I was not, and still am not, actively reading the thread. I'm just glancing in to see what's happening at the present. "Coasting", as you call it.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:49 am A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.

This has happened a maximum of one time.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:51 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:49 am A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.
This has happened a maximum of one time.
Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"

That's because nutella is town.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:55 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:51 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:49 am A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.
This has happened a maximum of one time.
Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"
That's because nutella is town.
4

I fail to see the point you are attempting to make.

nutella town
nutella town
nutella town
therefore sloonei mafia?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:57 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:56 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:55 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:51 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:49 am A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them.
This has happened a maximum of one time.
Well, 1 person but like 3 seperate times you posted the exact phrase "Nutella is town"
That's because nutella is town.
4
I fail to see the point you are attempting to make.
Well objectively you've said it more than once. So "maximum of one time" is wrong.

Oh. We're just arguing semantics.

"A lot of it is just saying "X is town" with no elaboration then sheeping them."

There has only been one instance of me outright sheeping a player in this game. That was nutella when I voted for 112 yesterday. But I did not call nutella town when doing so. I just liked an idea she put forth and tried to supply it with legs.

None of this is important, but I am left to question why it was brought up in the first place.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:09 am
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:03 am also im the only one voting falcon which means they are outed
I don't hate many of his posts but equally he's fairly confidently calling me town when others aren't so he's probably pocketing me like the last time he was scum and I was town.

He started out calling you mafia early on Day 1 before dramatically changing his tune. What does that say about him?

[VOTE: LinearPoint] aubergine
4/8

In my youth, I would have had my nose buried in ISOs right now. We have two flipped mafiosos right now. Their posts should prove illuminating if we turn them over. So too should posts about them. All of these highly highly juicy posts are just sitting back there on the earlier pages of this thread.

I'm too feeble and old to take up this monumental task on my own. But if anybody out there is looking for avenues to contribute to this game, I strongly encourage you to take this approach.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 6:59 pm

Multiple Elimination Day

Special special, read all about it! (Seriously, READ THIS, it’s very important!)

Today will be a MULTIPLE ELIMINATION DAY. Today will be 72 hours instead of the normal 48. In the first 36 hours of the day, you will vote for EIGHT players. In the second half of the day, the vote count will reset and you will determine FOUR out of those eight to kill via vote. Every player will be allowed to place votes on up to eight players in the first half of the day, and up to four in the second half (you may not stack votes–ie you can only place one vote on one player, you can’t put all eight on the same person. You are not required to vote for the maximum amount of people).[/i]

The day action deadline is February 3, 4pm Eastern. The halfway point of today is February 2, 6am Eastern. Day will end February 3 6pm Eastern.

i quoted that for @Guillotine's sake

I've developed actual moderate suspicions of both c4 and linearpoint tonight, but I don't they are not especially solid reads. But these are the first somewhat substantive reads I've had in the game, so that's nice. I talked a little bit about c4 earlier. I'm not quite ready to talk about my Linear read yet. Articulation is still in development.
I promised @dyachei I'd tag them when this happened.

First part of that role would be hella useful for a mafia team with a soup kill. I'd assume they already spent the shot night 1.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:51 am No one is gonna give me the TL,DR huh? you are gonna make me work.

there isnt a tldr. People were just chucking names and ideas at the wall for a couple hours until ilario shot dizzy. then we kinda started to consolidate a little bit, but not a lot.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:03 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:00 am [VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine
If Betzy is a wolf this spews me town hardcore, what a wolfy vote.

I asked for time, why I cannot have it? People have lives.

it's not a good vote, but it's not a suspicious vote either.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:06 am Funny right at this moment, Paopan is voting Betzy and is voting me with Betzy.

I forbid you from continuing to entertain your current Belzy suspicion for the next hour. I say this as TonyStarkPrime, your attorney.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:08 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:04 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:53 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:52 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:48 am @illario, why did you shoot Dizzy?
His eod felt slimy and he was making very reachy cases on people like ender and creature who were obv town
You saved my irl life that I don't have to advocate this the next 40 hours.
This is a pocket
It is the truth. ScumDizzy tends to talk out of a lynch and I was really not looking forward to a clash with him.

You are being a little shady, aren't you?

You too. I propose a moratorium on antagonizing one another. Talk to each other about other players.

kids these days

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:21 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:18 am kids these days
what is the point of this comment?

I’m Not Mad, I’m Just Disappointed.

New subject:
C4 is mafia. Agree or disagree?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:37 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:31 am New subject:
C4 is mafia. Agree or disagree?
Disagree

Why?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:08 am jpic who are you shielding again
Creature

and maybe c4. possibly belzy too. I'll forgive their vote on me

Shield salad

I’m not sure I’m on board to chop radishes today.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:39 pm I don't think I have heard a single reason for c4 scum. why is c4 scum

I will articulate my suspicion eventually. I’ve talked about it briefly already if you feel like digging.

What’s with other people remembering my play from RYM game in more detail than I do?

I could see town sig shooting nutella

No, I think I have done a couple of things now.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:52 pm No, I think I have done a couple of things now.
is a couple things "much"?

Fair point. I've done some.

I promised to talk some more about my c4 suspicion. It seems he has gained sufficient momentum since last night anyway, but I will still dump my thoughts into the thread.

Something that I feel is sometimes true about mafia members is that they struggle to actively pursue suspicions. It is one thing to name suspects and place votes, but it is another to flesh out reads and have them develop in real time. Making up fake arguments about a person about why they are lying when you know that they are not can be a difficult thing to do, especially when the person you are targeting is capable of being more vocal than you about it. The result is a bunch of stagnant suspicions that fail to take off, with more energy spent arguing (truthfully) about why certain players are town instead of mafia.

I think I see this trend playing out in c4's posts. Observe:

Spoiler: show

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:53 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?
Derp denied

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:05 pm @Sloonei post

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:14 pm I feel like I shouldn't be the one towncasing myself
Then lemme do it

Creature's strings of posts of talking to himself came off as pure and more drawn out than w!Creature would bother with

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:03 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:00 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sup
hey gamer what's poppin
You feel wolfy from a glance

Are you a wolf?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:12 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:10 pm C4, shoot:

Scotty (scummy)

Bo (as KZA wanted)

or

Wilgy (as he requested)
Could totally shoot Scotty

Bo seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and is decently polarized but since both of you know him better do you have specific insights?

Wilgy lolno

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:26 pm Yeah Mac isn't towny lul

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:19 pm Ender townreaders talk to me about Ender pls

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:30 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Where's that spark I saw in RYM 96

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:44 pm i think paopan may be town rn based on his response and my spiritual vote is not on him, just haven't figured out where to go yet

@dyachei what's your read on me rn?
I have an idea of where you can go

Were you paying attention to Sloonei's posting in RYM perchance? It was miles townier than this even with low engagement.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:59 pm I'm very tempted to just shoot Sloon

Etc.

C4's most substantive Day 1 posts are an exchange with Porscha that lists reasons to suspect her, but never develops in any meaningful way. The rest of c4's Day 1 feels like aimless prodding and asking for direction on who to shoot. I am lacking the full context leading up to his decision to shoot Bo, but based on c4's posts alone I do not find his process to be all that convincing.
The suspects c4 does prod for most of Day 1 are easy options. He starts with Creature, whose playstyle invites suspicion, especially early on. Then he shifts to Porscha, an unfamiliar face with light activity. Then he spends a few posts prodding me with no direction because of my absence/lack of spark. But c4 never actually put real pressure on me. He demanded that I post and then didn't have anything to say to me when I did.

Compare all of this to the amount of time and energy c4 puts into townreading people on Day 1. I am having trouble finding any evidence that he is making a sincere effort to uncover suspects. He steps in to declare town reads every once in a while, and then gropes around listlessly at potential suspects. I'm uninspired by all of this. If c4 is town, I need to see him demonstrate that he is actually trying to develop reads on players.

I have not seen Paopan make any posts that could not have come from mafia in this game.

Why does LinearPoint seem to be a consensus town read?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:27 pm Why does LinearPoint seem to be a consensus town read?
Which parallel universe are you from?
Pretty sure that is no where near close to a consensus.

I live in the universe in which you are not receiving any votes as we look to consolidate onto our top 8 suspects.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm lol did you just make a progression case on c4

You specifically asked why I suspect him. There it is. I do now know why "a progression case on c4" is a laughable thing, or that my suspicion constitutes that at all.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:34 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:27 pm Why does LinearPoint seem to be a consensus town read?
Which parallel universe are you from?
Pretty sure that is no where near close to a consensus.
I live in the universe in which you are not receiving any votes as we look to consolidate onto our top 8 suspects.
Neeko was at like 6, 5 hours ago.
Plus the only think you've said is
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:37 am Linearpoint maf
in your 3rd post of D1 and haven't elaborated at all on that just asking why Neeko isn't being top scum read.

That post was from when I was copy & pasting from urist's iso.

I do have a suspicion of you. I was going to post it. But I wanted to know if I was missing context on you first because no one seems to be promoting you as a suspect right now.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:40 pm No offense Sloonei but you talk about c4 not making an effort to push their reads, but you've yet to actually push Neeko in any meaningful way to push your worldview that Neeko is Mafia.

A great man around here has often said that hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:45 pm Pretty sure nobody currently voting Neeko has given a reason outside of "Obviously Urist was killed by LP"
Neeko would like to point out again that NAA used their ability on Alison which would mean mafia knew NAA's role and probably just killed NAA since that role is actually pretty strong at possibly getting 2 green checks a cycle.

I promise you that my vote is there for a reason. Have patience.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:54 pm @Sloonei what's your take on me?

Most definitely a doctor.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:39 pm I don't think I have heard a single reason for c4 scum. why is c4 scum

Then after hearing a reason for c4 to be scum:

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:28 pm lol did you just make a progression case on c4

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