The Syndicate

I should look at Soneji.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Sloonei: I think the ideal time to fire your gun would be about 2-3 hours prior to the deadline. That will allow us to absorb the result and realign the lynch accordingly. That's if you're here then.

I'll be leaving about 5 hours prior to the deadline.

Long Con wrote:Sloonei, I'd appreciate it if you didn't shoot me with that gun. It would be pretty rude, since I'm the one that gave it to you.

Thanks

I definitely intend to shoot somebody today (there's a sentence I never thought I'd be comfortable saying) with the intention of hitting scum. In my mind it is like having access two lynches in one day. I also wish to be mindful, however, of the timing of my shot. I am clearly taking all the time I want to make a decision, but I also need to give us all enough time to react to my shot so that we can lynch somebody accordingly.
I have to work tomorrow night and will be gone for the last few hours of the day, so I'm likely to shoot somebody tomorrow afternoon.

My personal preferences right now are Long Con and Scotty.

speedchuck wrote:Either Jack or Soneji.

Why?

speedchuck wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
speedchuck wrote:It's amazing that anyone has dies in this game.
Do you have any thoughts to add to this current setup discussion?
Unfortunately, not much.

The setup claims not to have any mod bastardry, meaning that roles probably do what they say they do. I think that's what it means.

So that could be important.

I am not a protective role, if that helps.

Who would you shoot if you were in my position?

speedchuck wrote:It's amazing that anyone has dies in this game.

Do you have any thoughts to add to this current setup discussion?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:This feels like classic RYM Mafia. Good show sprityognosis.

Sloonei wrote:
#ballstothewall

Unless we are playing Protective Role Madness, I can't see there being 3 variants of a doctor and a full-time bodyguard. Jack hasn't necessarily claimed a doctor-type role; he rejected Quin's claim before it even came up and he's been extremely vague about what his role does. I don't see it as impossible for us to have two stunted doctors and a regular bodyguard. Again, we all have no idea what kind of setup sprityo has given us.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Quin, I do not believe you ever gave any GTH reads. Could you do that?
Only if you promise to stop talking about me. I'll even include everyone.

GTH Good:

3J
Golden
Dizzy
juliets
speedchuck
Elohcin

GTH Bad:

Jack
Soneji
Sloonei
Fredwood
Scotty
Long Con
Strawhenge

Dem GTH feels, man.

I still haven't ruled out the possibility of a marmot bus. My thoughts on that matter still haven't changed.

Well I just gave you a role claim and everything, so i dunno.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Quin, I do not believe you ever gave any GTH reads. Could you do that?
Only if you promise to stop talking about me. I'll even include everyone.

GTH Good:

3J
Golden
Dizzy
juliets
speedchuck
Elohcin

GTH Bad:

Jack
Soneji
Sloonei
Fredwood
Scotty
Long Con
Strawhenge

juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.
This is an intriguing theory but I struggle to buy into it without further clarification on roles. I do not wish to ask anyone to roleclaim, though.
How likely do you think it is that juliets did what she just did as a baddie?
Unlikely. But I am still unclear on the exact nature of what her role is, or what exactly your proposal would entail. Based on her reaction, it seems she may be some sort of a protective role.
I'm unsure how much information to give out - I'm in totally new territory in terms of my mafia experience. I don't think it's in the best interest for me to claim.

Then I will claim for you. I'm a bodyguard. I can target every night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.
This is an intriguing theory but I struggle to buy into it without further clarification on roles. I do not wish to ask anyone to roleclaim, though.
How likely do you think it is that juliets did what she just did as a baddie?

Unlikely. But I am still unclear on the exact nature of what her role is, or what exactly your proposal would entail. Based on her reaction, it seems she may be some sort of a protective role.

Quin, I do not believe you ever gave any GTH reads. Could you do that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Theory:

Three similar supportive civilian roles. They are balanced in that they don't always work -- see: paranoid/insane/naive cops. Doctors have similar variants. Quin is one such variant. His shit didn't work because he's a wack ass doctor.

This is an intriguing theory but I struggle to buy into it without further clarification on roles. I do not wish to ask anyone to roleclaim, though.

juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:The thing that gives Quin an advantage over Jack in my eyes is that Quin has been unafraid to get right in the middle of things all game long. He's repeatedly thrust himself into the spotlight and been comfortable there. Jackofhearts has been around, but I can't say that he's been as directly involved in as many things as Quin.

I also have begun to feel increasingly good that at least one of Long Con and Juliets is bad, and I've seen no reason why they can't both be. The radio silence across the board (from everyone, not just those two) since shortly after I exposed my gun has been intriguing. We've had a lot of names lurking at the bottom of the page and most of them are silent. Speak up, anyone!
I am here. I am listening to what everyone has to say and will have revised reads in the morning.

I also want to ask what the probability is that there is are two doctor roles.
The only way I can see there being two doctors is if one targets on even-nights and the other on odd. I would not bet on it though.

Do you have no immediate thoughts to share right now on any of the stuff that's going on?
Yes, I do. I was waiting on clarification from the host on something which I now have and given the answer to your question, I do not believe Quin is telling the truth. I am not claiming doctor.

Well this is interesting. I'd love some elaboration whenever you're able.

juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:The thing that gives Quin an advantage over Jack in my eyes is that Quin has been unafraid to get right in the middle of things all game long. He's repeatedly thrust himself into the spotlight and been comfortable there. Jackofhearts has been around, but I can't say that he's been as directly involved in as many things as Quin.

I also have begun to feel increasingly good that at least one of Long Con and Juliets is bad, and I've seen no reason why they can't both be. The radio silence across the board (from everyone, not just those two) since shortly after I exposed my gun has been intriguing. We've had a lot of names lurking at the bottom of the page and most of them are silent. Speak up, anyone!
I am here. I am listening to what everyone has to say and will have revised reads in the morning.

I also want to ask what the probability is that there is are two doctor roles.

The only way I can see there being two doctors is if one targets on even-nights and the other on odd. I would not bet on it though.

Do you have no immediate thoughts to share right now on any of the stuff that's going on?

The thing that gives Quin an advantage over Jack in my eyes is that Quin has been unafraid to get right in the middle of things all game long. He's repeatedly thrust himself into the spotlight and been comfortable there. Jackofhearts has been around, but I can't say that he's been as directly involved in as many things as Quin.

I also have begun to feel increasingly good that at least one of Long Con and Juliets is bad, and I've seen no reason why they can't both be. The radio silence across the board (from everyone, not just those two) since shortly after I exposed my gun has been intriguing. We've had a lot of names lurking at the bottom of the page and most of them are silent. Speak up, anyone!

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:Claiming doctor is a stupid role to fake claim.
Why?
I'm done playing 20 questions.

linki: Very low.
You know I'm only trying to work this out for the best, right? What's the harm in helping me do that?
I've been the focus of conversation for the past 24 hours. My claim was literally an attempt to get people to move on. The fact that I've now set myself up for a night kill and I'm still the center of attention is pissing me off to no end. At this rate you're going to talk about nothing but me until EoD, lynch a civ, and then another tonight, and just basically waste a day.

Someone's definitely getting shot before the lynch.

Quin & Jack, I'd like to see some Gun To Head reads from both of you. Whenever you can get to it, but the sooner the better. *casually waves gun around*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@Jimmy

I'm not going to discuss my role further. You can speculate if you like but I'm afraid my input will give things away, which I do not think is in the town's best interest.

What inspired you to suggest those 5 specific roles earlier?

It doesn't have to be an in depth summary.

Now feels like an appropriate time to ask for GTH reads.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, please describe what led to your decision to protect Silver Lantern on Night 1.
I didn't have many town reads, but he was one of them. Read my posts as an answer to the follow-up I know you're dying to ask me.
What is your read on Jack?
I am voting for him.
Why?
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 6&sr=posts

Summarize it for me.

juliets, who should I shoot?

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, please describe what led to your decision to protect Silver Lantern on Night 1.
I didn't have many town reads, but he was one of them. Read my posts as an answer to the follow-up I know you're dying to ask me.
What is your read on Jack?
I am voting for him.

Why?

I'm not shooting just yet, but before we get to that stage I want to point everyone's attention to this rule:

sprityo wrote:-When a Day activations are made, DO NOT POST UNTIL A HOST HAS COME TO RESOLVE THE MATTER

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, please explain in vivid and thorough detail the thoughts in your head that led you to claim your role when you did. This is an essay question.
I did things in the stupidest way possible, got angry at the position I put myself in, and went away for a while. I came back to the thread with what appears to be, yet again, a very stupid decision thinking it'd rightfully get people off my back.
Tell me more about what you feel you did in the stupidest way possible. That's what I don't follow.
'I don't remember', which is true, but not being believed pissed me off so I got apathetic and wound up dismissing things.
Do you concede that "I don't remember" is a very unconvincing defense which you've now used twice today?
Convincing or not, it's the truth.

Was your initial plan to roleclaim today?

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, please explain in vivid and thorough detail the thoughts in your head that led you to claim your role when you did. This is an essay question.
I did things in the stupidest way possible, got angry at the position I put myself in, and went away for a while. I came back to the thread with what appears to be, yet again, a very stupid decision thinking it'd rightfully get people off my back.
Tell me more about what you feel you did in the stupidest way possible. That's what I don't follow.
'I don't remember', which is true, but not being believed pissed me off so I got apathetic and wound up dismissing things.

Do you concede that "I don't remember" is a very unconvincing defense which you've now used twice today?

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, please explain in vivid and thorough detail the thoughts in your head that led you to claim your role when you did. This is an essay question.
I did things in the stupidest way possible, got angry at the position I put myself in, and went away for a while. I came back to the thread with what appears to be, yet again, a very stupid decision thinking it'd rightfully get people off my back.

linki: No. You said that I would have been the one choosing the kill target. Why?
That you was in the second person plural, not singular. Scum Quin would be complicit in whichever kill target the mafia team selects.
What is the benefit of questioning me on this?
What is the loss in it?

It gives the impression that you think I am deliberately spinning a false argument against you, which would be a confusing perspective.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Quin claiming doctor is helpful in the universe where information helps the town piece the game together.
How so?

If I claim even doctor or two shot day unculter or Oompa Loompa but I can't back up my claim and we're in a CF mafia so there could be three Oompa Loompas or none, how would any of these claims help the town piece the game together?

It's information on Quin. He either is telling the truth or not.
If he is telling the truth, it is information about the setup in general and night actions. If he is lying we can use it to lynch him. It's a piece of the puzzle and it either fits or it does not. It's helpful to have it.

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, please explain in vivid and thorough detail the thoughts in your head that led you to claim your role when you did. This is an essay question.
I did things in the stupidest way possible, got angry at the position I put myself in, and went away for a while. I came back to the thread with what appears to be, yet again, a very stupid decision thinking it'd rightfully get people off my back.

linki: No. You said that I would have been the one choosing the kill target. Why?

That you was in the second person plural, not singular. Scum Quin would be complicit in whichever kill target the mafia team selects.
What is the benefit of questioning me on this?

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Let's talk about Quin's role claim. He is an odd night doctor. Nutella was a 1-shot day cop, Jay is s 3-shot tracker, so the limiting "odd night" dynamic isn't unfathomable and also leaves the door open for other protective roles to exist. But it is also unverified and "bad guy claiming doctor to scare townies away from voting" is a pretty straightforward scum move.

JOH seems to be soft-claiming one of his five proposed roles, one of which we know can't exist (cult), and a couple others which may or may not even exist in sprityo's mafia experience. Solving a problem like this is particularly difficult in this game, given that most of us aren't sure what roles sprityo migh have used or drawn from. Speedchuck may be able to help us out with some of that speculation, possibly.
Champing it up rn, but saw this.

Question for you:

I come into the thread on Day 4 (prior to saying any of the stuff that got me here) to say 'intriguing'. Do I say that for no reason? From a perspective of a civilian who didn't know any of this, they should think 'why?' and come to the conclusion that I have information of some kind. Do I say that so that I can then get myself involved in this mess just so I can bring it up now?
In the universe where you are bad, you came into today with the plan of claiming to be an odd-night doctor from the start. This was all premeditated.
Have you seen my announcement about having a gun? I have a gun.
Put it back in your pants. I'm a good guy.

To think that I premeditated the nutella thing just so I could claim doctor is absurd.
Why is that? You would have been the one choosing the kill target and you could easily have made up a bogus claim about protecting anyone who died.
Because it's just a shit fest waiting to happen.

Explain this, btw.

The mafia team chooses a player to kill each night.

Quin claiming doctor is helpful in the universe where information helps the town piece the game together.

Quin wrote:
Fredwood wrote:He didn't say anything about having pants
i've been thwarted

I am not about to post a gif of naked Danny DeVito, but I easily could.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Let's talk about Quin's role claim. He is an odd night doctor. Nutella was a 1-shot day cop, Jay is s 3-shot tracker, so the limiting "odd night" dynamic isn't unfathomable and also leaves the door open for other protective roles to exist. But it is also unverified and "bad guy claiming doctor to scare townies away from voting" is a pretty straightforward scum move.

JOH seems to be soft-claiming one of his five proposed roles, one of which we know can't exist (cult), and a couple others which may or may not even exist in sprityo's mafia experience. Solving a problem like this is particularly difficult in this game, given that most of us aren't sure what roles sprityo migh have used or drawn from. Speedchuck may be able to help us out with some of that speculation, possibly.
Champing it up rn, but saw this.

Question for you:

I come into the thread on Day 4 (prior to saying any of the stuff that got me here) to say 'intriguing'. Do I say that for no reason? From a perspective of a civilian who didn't know any of this, they should think 'why?' and come to the conclusion that I have information of some kind. Do I say that so that I can then get myself involved in this mess just so I can bring it up now?
In the universe where you are bad, you came into today with the plan of claiming to be an odd-night doctor from the start. This was all premeditated.
Have you seen my announcement about having a gun? I have a gun.
Put it back in your pants. I'm a good guy.

To think that I premeditated the nutella thing just so I could claim doctor is absurd.

Why is that? You would have been the one choosing the kill target and you could easily have made up a bogus claim about protecting anyone who died.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Let's talk about Quin's role claim. He is an odd night doctor. Nutella was a 1-shot day cop, Jay is s 3-shot tracker, so the limiting "odd night" dynamic isn't unfathomable and also leaves the door open for other protective roles to exist. But it is also unverified and "bad guy claiming doctor to scare townies away from voting" is a pretty straightforward scum move.

JOH seems to be soft-claiming one of his five proposed roles, one of which we know can't exist (cult), and a couple others which may or may not even exist in sprityo's mafia experience. Solving a problem like this is particularly difficult in this game, given that most of us aren't sure what roles sprityo migh have used or drawn from. Speedchuck may be able to help us out with some of that speculation, possibly.
Champing it up rn, but saw this.

Question for you:

I come into the thread on Day 4 (prior to saying any of the stuff that got me here) to say 'intriguing'. Do I say that for no reason? From a perspective of a civilian who didn't know any of this, they should think 'why?' and come to the conclusion that I have information of some kind. Do I say that so that I can then get myself involved in this mess just so I can bring it up now?

In the universe where you are bad, you came into today with the plan of claiming to be an odd-night doctor from the start. This was all premeditated.
Have you seen my announcement about having a gun? I have a gun.

Let's talk about Quin's role claim. He is an odd night doctor. Nutella was a 1-shot day cop, Jay is s 3-shot tracker, so the limiting "odd night" dynamic isn't unfathomable and also leaves the door open for other protective roles to exist. But it is also unverified and "bad guy claiming doctor to scare townies away from voting" is a pretty straightforward scum move.

JOH seems to be soft-claiming one of his five proposed roles, one of which we know can't exist (cult), and a couple others which may or may not even exist in sprityo's mafia experience. Solving a problem like this is particularly difficult in this game, given that most of us aren't sure what roles sprityo migh have used or drawn from. Speedchuck may be able to help us out with some of that speculation, possibly.

speedchuck and jackofhearts confirmed dinner partners.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I'll be indisposed for a little bit while I focus on hosting the GOC. I just ask that you don't fire the gun immediately Sloonei. I'd like to see the conversation develop a bit first, assuming you have time for that.

Think about who you're talking to here! This thing's not going off for a while.

juliets wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I'm also a little suspicious of Long Con and Juliets. But I still feel like I should shoot either Jack or Quin.
I know this isn't top priority but why are you suspicious of me?

I have a lot of town reads in this game and DFaraday was a complete non-entity. If I am going to trust my ability to identify town reads, then process of elimination says you have a pretty good chance of being scum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quin, Jack, how do you guys feel?
Like a townie beam holding up a run down house that scum Quin and Long Con are hidding in.

Knock me down and kill those goons.

When did Quin first enter your mind as a top suspect?

I'm also a little suspicious of Long Con and Juliets. But I still feel like I should shoot either Jack or Quin.

Fredwood wrote:Not sure I like the all of our resources today thrown into this argument, but then again

I AINT GOT NO GUN.

Fredwood wrote:

Well now. So if you're using it on Quin or Jack what happens if one turns up town, do you want to lynch the other one?

I would want to, but we certainly don't have to halt everything and throw whoever it is to the hounds.

Dyslexicon wrote:Should we vote for who to get shot? It would be like a second lynch? And then Sloonei could choose to do that or not, but most likely yes. Would give some infoz.

This was my plan. I want to shoot one of those two. I've been leaning toward Jack but I don't want to take this decision entirely upon myself without hearing from others first.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I am caught up and I still think that one of JOH/Quin is bad and I also have a gun.
Can it be fired during this day phase?

It can only be fired during the day phase, whenever I want.

I am caught up and I still think that one of JOH/Quin is bad and I also have a gun.

Now I'm 10 pages behind again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Jack as a mafioso in a recent game featuring Sloonei and I

This might allow others to have a reference point that otherwise dark on his evil play.

This link's not working for me, but I was there and I remember it.

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