The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:36 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:49 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:25 pm

Just a little bit.

Who would you be voting for if the day was just starting and you didn’t need to worry about self-preservation?

I don't need to worry about self-preservation so this is a redundant question.

Who is your top suspect and why?
Who is your top town read and why?

What is my silence telling you, Sloonei?

That you don’t care about the world.

And who doesn't care about the world?

... cats?

I don't not believe Quin when he says he's lynchproof. I don't think that makes him a civilian though. I may switch to Tranq to ensure that something actually happens today.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 11:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:49 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:54 pm

Lies

For someone leading the lynch votes you really aren't saying much. Lynchproof?

Just a little bit.

Who would you be voting for if the day was just starting and you didn’t need to worry about self-preservation?

I don't need to worry about self-preservation so this is a redundant question.

Who is your top suspect and why?
Who is your top town read and why?

What is my silence telling you, Sloonei?

That you don’t care about the world.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:28 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:35 pm Oh I passed 10,000 posts and didn't notice.

Lies

For someone leading the lynch votes you really aren't saying much. Lynchproof?

Just a little bit.

Who would you be voting for if the day was just starting and you didn’t need to worry about self-preservation?

I don't need to worry about self-preservation so this is a redundant question.

Who is your top suspect and why?
Who is your top town read and why?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:25 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:35 pm Oh I passed 10,000 posts and didn't notice.

Lies

For someone leading the lynch votes you really aren't saying much. Lynchproof?

Just a little bit.

Who would you be voting for if the day was just starting and you didn’t need to worry about self-preservation?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:06 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:35 pm Oh I passed 10,000 posts and didn't notice.

Lies

For someone leading the lynch votes you really aren't saying much. Lynchproof?

He’s been tightlipped for a while.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:59 pm Did anyone talk about these posts?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:38 am DDL is good. Quin is bad.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:38 am That was easy

[VOTE: Quin ] aubergine

Also, @Long Con @Black Rock, nova’s ISO link is broken on the front page. novaselinenever

TH was evil after all.

What does TH have to do with this? #behind

he made the ISO links

Did anyone talk about these posts?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:38 am DDL is good. Quin is bad.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:38 am That was easy

[VOTE: Quin ] aubergine

Also, [mention]Long Con[/mention] [mention]Black Rock[/mention], nova’s ISO link is broken on the front page. novaselinenever

TH was evil after all.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:48 pm Just so we’re all clear, in no way do I oppose a Tranq lynch. The only thing I’ve disagreed with here is the suspicion against DDL for expressing uncertainty about Tranq. If Quin and INH were both off the poll and the day was starting fresh, I’d probably be voting for Tranq. I voted for him yesterday and advocated for him as an alternative to wolbre on Day 1.

Just so we're all clear once Tranq or DDL flip bad, Don't yell at me for defending Tranq lol *jazz hands*

I made this post knowing that you’d respond this way.

Just so we’re all clear, in no way do I oppose a Tranq lynch. The only thing I’ve disagreed with here is the suspicion against DDL for expressing uncertainty about Tranq. If Quin and INH were both off the poll and the day was starting fresh, I’d probably be voting for Tranq. I voted for him yesterday and advocated for him as an alternative to wolbre on Day 1.

It would be groovy if Tranq could offer any more input on any of the wacky things he’s done.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:36 pm I’m not moving from Sabie just in case a head-ass CFD happens in that direction in the last 3 minutes

When has anything like that EVER happened?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:35 pm Oh I passed 10,000 posts and didn't notice.

Did you beat Quin?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:20 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:17 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:56 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:54 pm As for INH it feels more to me like a dumbass slip, followed by a bunch of damage control.

Either that or actual jester. Not sure.

This is where I’m at on INH. Tranq has been less willfully bad and I share some of your reservations about lynching him. I still see it as possible that he’s just playing a weird game. I don’t think he’s an awful lynch choice, but he’s comfortably in third place on my list of preferences among our three candidates today.

Less willfully bad? Explain please

More specifically explain why being less *willfully* bad means he's *less* likely to be mafia

I can’t do that because I don’t think that’s the case. I just meant to say that there’s more ambiguity to Tranq’s behavior. I feel like he very easily could be bad, but I have not played with him before and do not have a clear sense of what he’s doing right now. That doesn’t mean I see no reason to suspect him.

INH, meanwhile, is advertising himself as a lynch candidate. His play today is 100% WIFOM.

If Quin was off the poll and you had to cast the deciding vote between INH and Tranq who do you vote for and why?

INH. I think we’re going to have to deal with him eventually. The sooner the happens, the sooner we can move on.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:17 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:56 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:54 pm As for INH it feels more to me like a dumbass slip, followed by a bunch of damage control.

Either that or actual jester. Not sure.

This is where I’m at on INH. Tranq has been less willfully bad and I share some of your reservations about lynching him. I still see it as possible that he’s just playing a weird game. I don’t think he’s an awful lynch choice, but he’s comfortably in third place on my list of preferences among our three candidates today.

Less willfully bad? Explain please

More specifically explain why being less *willfully* bad means he's *less* likely to be mafia

I can’t do that because I don’t think that’s the case. I just meant to say that there’s more ambiguity to Tranq’s behavior. I feel like he very easily could be bad, but I have not played with him before and do not have a clear sense of what he’s doing right now. That doesn’t mean I see no reason to suspect him.

INH, meanwhile, is advertising himself as a lynch candidate. His play today is 100% WIFOM.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:56 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:54 pm As for INH it feels more to me like a dumbass slip, followed by a bunch of damage control.

Either that or actual jester. Not sure.

This is where I’m at on INH. Tranq has been less willfully bad and I share some of your reservations about lynching him. I still see it as possible that he’s just playing a weird game. I don’t think he’s an awful lynch choice, but he’s comfortably in third place on my list of preferences among our three candidates today.

Less willfully bad? Explain please

INH appeared to scum slip and is now begging for votes. If Tranq has done anything on that level, I must have missed it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:16 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:12 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

The utter betrayal on this lad.

Any of these lynches are fine. Sloonei hasn't had suspects he has cased lynched yet in this game and he has shown a sound scumdar so far based on the Juliets flip. Just playing the hot hand.

Okay now say these exact words again but in response to my post.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:12 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:10 pm Sloonei you want to lynch Quin right?

He’s my preferred option. I do not dislike any of the three wagons we’ve got going.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:10 pm IDK Guys this game is wild

Are DDL and Tranq teammates

Are Sloonei and DDL teammates

Fuggin crazy man. Woof.

How confident are we that Tranq is bad?

I do not suspect DDL. I share many of the same viewpoints he has expressed. I think he’s been a strong voice in the thread from Day 0. I disagree with the suspicion which is being brought against him right now, but I appreciate that it exists. My read is not settled but I’m comfortable with it and not convinced by anythinf that’s being said now.

How confident are we that Tranq is bad?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:59 pm This reminds me of that time you guys teamed up to derail my juliets case on Day 1.

Wild, when did I do that.

Day 1

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 9:01 pm Quin has been lurking and watching the thread and not saying shit. Didn't he do the same thing yesterday?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:46 pm Town read on DDL. Meanwhile I know that DH and Mac don’t presently have civilian win condotions, so

Why are you so defensive of DDL?

Because you’re attacking him and I disagree with what you are saying.

What if you're wrong?

Then I’m wrong. What if you’re wrong?

If I'm wrong about DDL then maybe some time down the line we lynch a civilian because of my hounding.

If you're wrong then maybe we don't end up lynching a mafia.

One of those things results in the civs losing the game and one does not.

Lynching a civilian is the same exact thing as not lynching mafia.

This conversation contributes nothing to the game.

This reminds me of that time you guys teamed up to derail my juliets case on Day 1.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:46 pm Town read on DDL. Meanwhile I know that DH and Mac don’t presently have civilian win condotions, so

Why are you so defensive of DDL?

Because you’re attacking him and I disagree with what you are saying.

What if you're wrong?

Then I’m wrong. What if you’re wrong?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:54 pm As for INH it feels more to me like a dumbass slip, followed by a bunch of damage control.

Either that or actual jester. Not sure.

This is where I’m at on INH. Tranq has been less willfully bad and I share some of your reservations about lynching him. I still see it as possible that he’s just playing a weird game. I don’t think he’s an awful lynch choice, but he’s comfortably in third place on my list of preferences among our three candidates today.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:46 pm Town read on DDL. Meanwhile I know that DH and Mac don’t presently have civilian win condotions, so

Why are you so defensive of DDL?

Because you’re attacking him and I disagree with what you are saying.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:46 pm Town read on DDL. Meanwhile I know that DH and Mac don’t presently have civilian win condotions, so

Mondo garbo TM

I found that take in the garbage bin with your argument.

Town read on DDL. Meanwhile I know that DH and Mac don’t presently have civilian win condotions, so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:28 pm I’m not sure I sense a big push to save. I get more of a confused vibe from the thread right now. We’ve got a player kamikazeeing and another player who seems to want us to think he lied. It’s an unusual situation.

Baddies could certainly use that confusion to their advantage but I don’t know that I see a big push being orchestrated right now.

I think DDL needs looking at. He's being shifty.

#stoplynchingpeopleforbeingindecisive2019

Well for one I haven't lynched you. For two you are suspicious not for being indecisive but rather because you are being inconsistent with what you find suspicious.

Linki: It is also rude to say I suspect you for reasons I do not.

Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook.

Hypocrisy is not what I am describing.

It kind of is. He suspects one player of being too obvious to be bad. He expects another player of being too obvious not to be bad. Those things don’t align, but I don’t think it needs to reflect a dishonest mindset. I think he’s just responding to two different situations and has come to different conclusions.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:37 pm I do remember seeing DDL respond to these accusations. What do we think of those responses?

lol didn't read.

i’ve been running errands all day. I don’t remember everything that’s been saod. Y’all are criticizing DDL for something I know he has responded to already. I just want to see the conversation progress to a more helpful place.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:28 pm I’m not sure I sense a big push to save. I get more of a confused vibe from the thread right now. We’ve got a player kamikazeeing and another player who seems to want us to think he lied. It’s an unusual situation.

Baddies could certainly use that confusion to their advantage but I don’t know that I see a big push being orchestrated right now.

I think DDL needs looking at. He's being shifty.

#stoplynchingpeopleforbeingindecisive2019

Well for one I haven't lynched you. For two you are suspicious not for being indecisive but rather because you are being inconsistent with what you find suspicious.

Linki: It is also rude to say I suspect you for reasons I do not.

Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook.

I do remember seeing DDL respond to these accusations. What do we think of those responses?

I’m not sure I sense a big push to save. I get more of a confused vibe from the thread right now. We’ve got a player kamikazeeing and another player who seems to want us to think he lied. It’s an unusual situation.

Baddies could certainly use that confusion to their advantage but I don’t know that I see a big push being orchestrated right now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:23 pm I say we leave it like this and let the Gods decide

You really admire the tribunal.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:08 pm Lol who is getting saved here

Which votes seem like they would be saves?

I’d be more personally satisfied with a Quin lynch, but that’s just because he’s been my suspect and finding out his alignment will tell me whether i’ve been on the right track and allow me to move on.

INH is gonna be a headache and a distraction for as long as we leave him alive. It’s entirely possie he’s some sort of jester role. It’s also possible he’s not. I’m undecided and I don’t think there’s a way we can know unless we go through with the lynch. But then, that might he had for us. All of this is to say that I’m not quite sure what to do, but I don’t dislike either of the options. I’m leaving my vote on Quin for now. I’ll be around until the end of day.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:08 pm Bit of a sticky wicket, eh?

The stickiest. I prefer to lynch quin

Another possibility is that INH genuinely slipped and decided to steer into the skid by being as bad and wacky as possible to scare us off.

Do roles tend to repeat in these games?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 15, 2018 4:23 pm I don't want to lynch INH anymore

Because life is meaningless and existence is a chasm of emptiness?

I would have voted for any of these options over wilgy yesterday. I feel like quin has the most evidence against him, but that’s also because i’ve been looking at him the most. INH’s “slip” is ambiguous enough that it doesn’t need to be what it’s being taken for, but I find it bad enough that we shouldn’t let him skate by, and he’s not being very convincing today. Tranq has done nothing to elicit a town read from me at any point.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:16 pm I think that Sabie would be a poor choice for the lynch. For multiple reasons

State these reasons.

Also you weren’t defending me on Day 1. Quin was. If he’s on my side, shouldn’t he have something to say about my case?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:42 pm I can't judge quin for that it would be hypocritical lol

Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook.

The only time juliets comes up on the first page of Quin's ISO is actually in my quoted ISO of quin here, when I called him out for remaining silent on my case against her at the end of Day 1. Quin was one of my most vocal supporters, but he never said a word about the case that I was screaming for. Silence is not always the best indicator, but this is not something I would like to overlook here.

The only mention of juliets on the second of Quin's ISO is this:

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:05 am this is my first time witnessing a scum juliets. i'll tell my children about it one day.

After she had been nightkilled.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:30 pm Know what’s a sure fire sleep aid? ISOing this game.

Nevertheless, he persisted...

#downwithketchup

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:59 pm No new win con for me fam. Just gotta hope the Darkness is somehow killed or I otherwise get cleansed or some shit by some unknown shit.

Like I said, I'm a goth now.

Us folks in the light will hold out hope that there's a way to restore your win condition, buddy.

It's you isn't it.

Darthsloonei.jpg

Taking a look at juliets and Quin, operating under the assumption that juliets' flip is true.

Asks for clarification - Nothing about this is strong enough to suggest anything one way or the other about a partnership. I could see it as staged, but it does not have to be that way.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:20 am Quin - his posts are to the point and several times I found myself agreeing with him. This appears to be civ Quin to me. Sloonei I read your synopsis of him this morning and will go back and bump that up against what I've seen because obviously you know his game a lot better than me, but for now I read him as civ.

Quite a bit to speculate on here. She defends Quin and then acknowledges that my suspicion of him exists but doesn't then quickly shifts back to a civilian read. This is one of the more hand-wavey reads offered in Juliets' big list o' reads.

For future reference, I'm interested in the tell of players who are accused of not having enough reads and respond by posting a list of reads on every player in the game. I wonder if that's something that could be alignment indicative.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:25 pm Quin is an interesting second choice for me. I’ve only played one full game where he was bad (Mad Max), but he played the part brilliantly. I would expect him to be a tough but to crack. In this game he’s done all the usual Quin things, but there’s not much else behind that. He’s only done the usual Quin things. I didn’t get the sense there were a lot of unique or provocative reads in his ISO.

Sloonei, could you expound on this a little? You say he's only done usual Quin things. What kind of unique things would you expect a town Quin to do and why? Have you maybe seen something in past games where he's been good where he's done something unusual for him? I've tried to think this through but I'm not getting anywhere.

This is the post that inspired me to pursue these interactions. This looks like tentative scum partner behavior. Juliets asks me to explain something that she's "trying" to understand by can't wrap her head around. I don't get the sense Juliets was actually interested in my response. This post feels like it was designed to appear to be actively reading Quin. Quin was under decent pressure during the day, but juliets wasn't on that. She is softly defending him whenever she brings him up, but she's being careful not to go just outright defend him. There's always a feigned interest in understanding the case better.

More of the same here "I had exactly the opposite reaction... That doesn't mean I liked [the thing we're talking about]." Followed by another "I'm trying!"

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:25 pm Dragon D. Luffy I want to quote a part of your long post on the 5. This is from your Quin summary:

A lot of posts are good stuff. He is hunting. I don't feel him as civ that much after his ISO though. Something about him feels... thuggish I guess. He's making cases but not commiting on them, too. I don't know, Quin is always sarcastic, but when he's a civ there is this feeling of a poor kid who is desperate because people are wanting things from him and he's super lost, so he's trying his best. Here he seems a bit more arrogant, more overconfident.

I felt this was the way Quin was in Hogwarts - confident almost to arrogance. Do you feel like he was different in that game than he is here?

Meta defense.

I don't like these interactions one bit, and Quin was my top scum read before looking at them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:59 pm No new win con for me fam. Just gotta hope the Darkness is somehow killed or I otherwise get cleansed or some shit by some unknown shit.

Like I said, I'm a goth now.

Us folks in the light will hold out hope that there's a way to restore your win condition, buddy.