The Syndicate

Prisoner 413022 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hey prisoners: it looks like you folks were running into some bad luck with the challenges considering the number of shankings that have occurred. Were any of the challenges blatantly hijacked by someone, or were they honest errors?

I don't think any of it was intentional blatent hijacking. I think most of it was non participation and bad luck. Things that are honestly pretty common on TS.

can't wait to figure out which one of my co-prisoners is epi though.

You can help us on the latter point! I don't know how the mechanics of the prison works just yet, but I assume you guys can all see when new Prisoner accounts are added and become active. Epi was just lynched during the last day phase, so he would habe entered into the penetentiary within the last 24 hours or not at all.

The only other cop possibly in there with you is the undercover cop. We know they are not with us, or else the game would have ended a few days ago, but we do not know who it is. A few names have been speculated on, but there is no consensus.

Sorry for being unhelpful out of the gate, prisoners. Most of what you need to know has been summed up over the last couple of day phases, so you probably only need to read as far back as Day 10, and even then you can just skim for some of the main points. I'll compile some lengthy posts tomorrow, pinkie swear.

One theory that I have is that arrested Nero frames Soneji, and that would probably be the best chance that either Elo or chaindeath would have of surviving Day 13. I think if Soneji was bad he would have just arrested you. But I definitely intend to do my homework before jumping to any conclusions. It's not gonna happen until I've had a good night's sleep though.

Putting my vote on Elohcin to start the day. 2 out of the 3 of Elo, chaindeath, and Soneji are the remaining cops.

REMINDER TO ALL PLAYERS: Presumably 2 of these Prisoners are cops. Epignosis should be among them, and we also should be wary of whoever the undercover cop was as well.

Prisoner 371724 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Sorry, that question was like a field full of rakes waiting to be stepped on.

Ughughughughugh

I don't get it, are you speaking German?

Prisoner 208986 wrote:Hello game players. Are there cases that have been made for the two people you are deciding on to lynch (Elochin or chaindeath)? Is everyone pretty much committed to one of those two people? I know I will have some additional questions in the morning. I will read the iso's of Elochin and chaindeath first. And hello 509.

Also, I have recently had a death in the family and the funeral and all is on Saturday. My schedule is going to be whack that day and maybe tomorrow as well. I just wanted to let you know in advance.

Add soneji to the list of suspects as well. He's been a town read of mine for a couple of days now, but seeing as Nero was arrested instead of him last night I have to reconsider (Nero was not a strong town read for anyone).

A lot of it is simple process of elimination. We know the prisoner is not a cop, and Turnip Head and I are both agreed-upon townies for Reasons, or so I am told.
For Elohcin, the strongest piece of evidence I can point to is that Epignosis seemed to setup a scenario when Elo first subbed into the game (replacing Serge) where he could very easily have framed her for a lynch, or protected her from suspicion. He ultimately protected her, and now that he has flipped as the Warden during a crucial lylo, all of his actions are understandably being scrutinized under a series of microscopes.

With chaindeath, it's more that he hasn't done anything townish. His sudden shift in opinion at the end of this last night phase was jarring as well. Plus other things. I'll have a more articulate answer to these questions later.

Sorry, that question was like a field full of rakes waiting to be stepped on.

Prisoner 371724 wrote:Hi.

A fresh one. Nero or Epi?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Welcome to the show, prisoners. It has been far too long.

I know what many of you are after, and I can help you. I wield at least some influence in this game now. If you help me (and by extension also help Sloonei and Turnip Head), you'll be giving yourself a good chance.

Prisoner 813142 wrote:Greetings. *puts pinkie to his mouth*

Whose pinkie?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Actually Nerolunar being arrested instead of Soneji is a bit of a head scratcher. Perhaps there's a very obvious reason for it, or perhaps that's what they wanted us to think. Or perhaps the chief is Elohcin and not paying coose attention.

At the very least it warrants a full review before we dive into anything, I think. It's a long day phase.

agreed. Plus we have a bajillion outside opinions to assess on the matter today, so that's good.

Actually Nerolunar being arrested instead of Soneji is a bit of a head scratcher. Perhaps there's a very obvious reason for it, or perhaps that's what they wanted us to think. Or perhaps the chief is Elohcin and not paying coose attention.

Hey Prisoners. Whoever joined you ~24 hours ago in the pen was formerly your Warden. Today we're lynching Elohcin or chaindeath.

I am home from work before dat night ended?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hey chaindeath, are you the police chief?

No, he's the beat cop. Epi would have been trying to protect the chief, which is Elohcin.

chaindeath wrote:Prisoner, no. Sloonei, At this point in the game chaindeath doesn't think it would be smart to bus ones teammate like that, go for targets who are already suspect not for your teammates. However, Epi was playing mind games all game so it could be that also.

If Epi wasn't bussing then me and Turnip Head are the bad guys. Do you think that's the case?

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is fine with Sloonei being warden. Soneji and Elo are likely the cops that are remaining. And to preemptively stop the OMG he changed his mind on Nero. It happens. In light of Epi's flip as a cop and some of the conversation leading up to and in the time between days chaindeath has an idea. Epi kept pushing for the two of us to be lynched and if Nero was his teammate that probably wouldn't be a smart thing to do. What would happen if the town rallied to chaindeath's side and we ended up lynching him and loosing the game from it. He'll be keeping an eye on Nero but for the moment he seems like he could be town.

Well this is an interesting development. Nero, what are your thoughts on chaindeath's turn around on you? chaindeath, why do you not think Epi could have been bussing Nero?

I don't know what the warden duties will be, but I'm hoping there's a "release all prisoners" button I can press. Only Epi and possibly the undercover cop are in there, and Epi should be easy to identify based on the timing of his arrival.

I'll be the kindest gentlest warden they've ever known.

Soneji wrote:Elo and chaindeath would be my picks for cops. I have felt good about Nero these last few phases and Epi flipping cop adds to that.

What has had you feeling good about nero?

Turnip Head wrote:Epi and Nero had a ton of interaction this game IIRC. Elohcin is the one I want to reread.

Yeah it's mostly coming down to nero or chaindeath for me, and I've been unable to decide for days now. I'm still willing to consider Soneji but at this point he looks the best and I've not heard an argument against that yet.

Nerolunar wrote:

Sloonei wrote:That is a question for everyone, not just the prisoner. We've got two cops left (police chief and beat cop). For the moment it's 5 vs 2, or 4 vs 2 vs 1 depending on how you want to treat the Prisoner. This is the biggest advantage we've had pretty much all game, but we're not out of the woods yet. 2 of the players remaining are still bad. I think we can safely dismiss the Prisoner and Turnip Head, and I can't speak for everyone else but I don't think I'm a cop either. So that leaves us 2 cops among the 4 of chaindeath, Elohcin, Nerolunar, and Soneji. 2 out of those 4 are bad. Which 2?

I think Elohcin and Chaindeath are cops.

So do I, but I'm having trouble being convinced that you're not a cop. So I'll ask this: What would you say has been your strategy in this game, and how have you used this to the benefit the town?

Sloonei wrote:That is a question for everyone, not just the prisoner. We've got two cops left (police chief and beat cop). For the moment it's 5 vs 2, or 4 vs 2 vs 1 depending on how you want to treat the Prisoner. This is the biggest advantage we've had pretty much all game, but we're not out of the woods yet. 2 of the players remaining are still bad. I think we can safely dismiss the Prisoner and Turnip Head, and I can't speak for everyone else but I don't think I'm a cop either. So that leaves us 2 cops among the 4 of chaindeath, Elohcin, Nerolunar, and Soneji. 2 out of those 4 are bad. Which 2?

bump because new page, and i'm bored waiting for someone else to come in and say something.

You could also ask yourself which 2 are good.

That is a question for everyone, not just the prisoner. We've got two cops left (police chief and beat cop). For the moment it's 5 vs 2, or 4 vs 2 vs 1 depending on how you want to treat the Prisoner. This is the biggest advantage we've had pretty much all game, but we're not out of the woods yet. 2 of the players remaining are still bad. I think we can safely dismiss the Prisoner and Turnip Head, and I can't speak for everyone else but I don't think I'm a cop either. So that leaves us 2 cops among the 4 of chaindeath, Elohcin, Nerolunar, and Soneji. 2 out of those 4 are bad. Which 2?

What do you think is the most like cop pairing left this morning?

The Prisoner will probably be thrown back in jail tonight, and then we'll just need to do this all over again. Plus he's not technically a townie so I don't know what is going to happen with his role if he's made the warden, or anything else. I think we should be putting the most safe and trusted townie in charge, and my personal bias says that's me.

Hey Nero, why you putting the Prisoner in charge?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I had a fairly strong town read on Nerolunar around Day 1 or 2 that I have not forgotten about. I was confident about his towniness then, and when I look back through his posts I am still seeing the same things I saw then. But we're at a stage in the game where everyone's a suspect, so I can't not approach him with more skepticism than before.

Was it the same read that Epi pooh-poohed because of the references to Zodiac Mafia?

Yes.

I had a fairly strong town read on Nerolunar around Day 1 or 2 that I have not forgotten about. I was confident about his towniness then, and when I look back through his posts I am still seeing the same things I saw then. But we're at a stage in the game where everyone's a suspect, so I can't not approach him with more skepticism than before.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Nerolunar or chaindeath?

I'm still thinking of it as two among Nerolunar, chaindeath, and Elohcin. I think your confidence in Elohcin as a cop is stronger than mine is, though I understand your perspective. The unique spousal dynamic that is Epignosis/Elohcin makes me hesitate before taking a stance with conviction. I'll need to review further.

Yes, I'm also having a tough time assessing that. On the one hand, it would have been a pretty cheap move on Epi's part if he was a cop and used Elohcin's presence in this game to draw a mislynch and win the game, supposing she's town. But also, supposing she is a cop and he just wanted a mislynch, protecting her would be a prudent move. I am currently reading the whole "fake read" plan as a calculated move to pretend to assess her as town, thus buying some time to push for a mislynch elsewhere.

I'm thinking chaindeath.

Nerolunar or chaindeath?

I am inclined to agree. I was already reading Soneji as town, and that entire incident reflects good on him. If Epi had a BTS plan in place, I'm sure his teammates would have been at least conscious of it, and Soneji's reaction comes off as too natural and too eager to have been a coordinated move. It also fits perfectly if you trace his suspicion of Epi back to the beginning of the game, like you said. He was on Epi's case very early in the game for what appear to be keen and legitimate observations. Again, it looks very natural and very sincere. None of Soneji's treatment of Epi reads like bussing to me.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I think the single most important interaction to investigate now is Epignosis/Soneji. That's the haziest wild card left, in my opinion (because we've already talked so much about Nero and chaindeath). If there's anything in those interactions that can help to clear Soneji, that would be immense. And there just might be, I have something in mind...

Whatcha thinking?

It's certainly up for discussion though. This is a pretty crucial decision that we have to make.
But we have to throw out Elohcin, chaindeath, and nerolunar on principle. Way too many ???s abot them, and Soneji seems like a good guy but is not in the clear by any means.
The Prisoner is definitely on our side, but mechanically he's something of a mystery still.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I won't lie. I want it.

However, we're in this thing together at this point regardless of whatever makes me *special*, and it might be more strategically prudent to put that power in the hands of a don. Eventually I'm likely to be night killed, in spite of everything, because I'm not a don.

I want you to have it as well, but I simply trust me more with it, all things considered.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Is self-voting allowed in this poll? A friend wants to know.

Yeah, sure, it's different than a lynch poll so it's immune to the no self-voting rule.

Cool. I want this, it's mine and you all can't have it

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Note: when I originally brought the reductionist strategy into the thread (supposing cop teams based on pre-accepted premises of who is town), Epignosis immediately challenged it by connecting Nerolunar to chaindeath. The connection itself is of interest, but so is the fact that he felt the need to challenge it at all. Maybe I was on the right track in the first place.

I think Epi was definitely playing for the win these past few phases, so whatever moves he made were calculated toward the most efficient cop win manageable. That probably involved some degree of bussing simply because it was impossible not to at this stage. But it probably also involved some defense of a teammamte or two, and for this reason I am feeling good about Elohcin as a cop. Epi pretty much staged everything from her entry into the game so as to deter us from lynching her.
It would be a pretty slick move to do that as a way of framing her to be lynched upon his death, but I am inclined to feel like he would have tried to set her up for a mislynch while he was alive if she was good. All the cops have needed for a two phases now is a mislynch. Epi was probably banking on getting one of those before going down himself, and if he could have done anything to spin one onto Eloh I'm sure he would have. Serge/Elohcin is a cop.

Is self-voting allowed in this poll? A friend wants to know.

Oh hey whoa. Do we put the Prisoner in charge of the Prison, or do we stick a safe and trusted townie in charge? Not that I don't trust the prisoner, but we still do not know what his role is, mechanically speaking.

An evil presence has been ridden from the land. What happens to the prison now that the Warden is, well, a prisoner?

We're at a stage where everyone's got a unique color.
Prisoner
Turnip Head
Soneji
Nerolunar
chaindeath
Elohcin

Everyone below Turnip Head is still very much up for debate, though.

I continue to struggle to put a definitive read on either Nerolunar or chaindeath. Parts of Epi's interactions with each of them looks like bussing, parts look like opportunism.

Ricochet wrote:Sloonei just passed the 1K mark and became the #2 Syndicate member in individual game post count.

...only to get passed by P50, who achieved 1K in only 6 active cycles

Prison can do some strange things to a man.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I'm limiting the scope of this review because we all already know what has happened recently and it'll save time. Maybe the earlier content will prove more illuminating.

Things Epignosis said about chaindeath prior to Day 9

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote:

chaindeath wrote:Can someone hook up chaidneath with a tldr of the day so far? He has classwork to do and not enough time to read through 400+ posts from the time he was away. To the direct accusations at him he would like to say if you lynch him you lynch a townie. There is no way to make this clearer that he knows of. He is going to vote Nero because he still thinks he's bad. All aboard the train hes going into a tunnel (or has been in one for a while).

You jumped off that pretty quick.

Epignosis wrote:chaindeath is back.

Epignosis wrote:

chaindeath wrote:He has switched his vote to Ika to kill the tie. He doesn't understand how he's bad but if the town wishes it this civ will turn himself in and let the cops roll through another night phase.

Uh, no sir.

You just made my list.

Epignosis wrote:chaindeath

Epignosis wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:indiglo, my amusing friend. Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? I feel comfortable supporting you if it comes down to it again.

Well, I certainly don't have any special knowledge, so let me put that out there. But I'd feel ok with Boomrique again. And I'm also interested in looking Quin's way. I'm more comfortable looking at sig again too. (Ain't that a shocker?)

Beyond that, I am also totally open to listening to anyone in the Fantastic Four (not necessarily accurate in number, but you catch my drift) and who they would like to go after.

chaindeath is my new #1.

Epignosis wrote:chaindeath is where I'm voting. He voted ika, went to Nerolunar, and then went back to ika because "that's what the civilians want."

I still have a lot of reading to do, but by God it ain't happening tonight. Today sucked.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Seems like we're divided today.

What changed from yesterday? Boom was on the chopping block, he seemed like the one that garnered the votes from the civ core. The only info we got was that silver may or may not have info.

I mean if the group ends up favoring another by tomorrow (end of phase) I'll vote there, but I'm just awfully curious why we don't just effing lynch something together for once.

Question for anyone: who can NOT get behind a Boom vote with conviction?

Are you asking me what changed? I don't know.

I think chaindeath made a clumsy move. That's why he has my vote.

Epignosis wrote:What's your assessment of chaindeath's vote for ika?

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, you're not a lynch I would favor in the next day phase. If you name me a gun-to-head cop team (every remaining baddie alive), that will be of interest to me. The same goes for anyone really, though certain people's lists might mean less.

I won't name my own list until I have some participation.

I'll participate.

chaindeath
Nerolunar
Quinn
sig
Soneji

Didn't expect that, did you prisoner?

Remember, this is all pre-Day 9. Consider it alongside more recent content to come to a final perspective.

Gut says I like the way chaindeath looks here. Epi's suspicion from a few days back where he got on ika for that "if it's what town wants" remark looks opportunistic in hindsight.

Yeah, I feel confident that they game's gonna continue.

We've still got a couple hours to we get to see the flip. Anyone got any scary ghost stories?

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath wasn't able to vote. He couldn't get onto the Syndicate 504 Error

Yeah, it's been down for me as well.