The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:56 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:50 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:46 am I've played mafia with Sloonei for a long time. In the grand scheme of things, he doesn't have all that much more experience playing with me than you all do, but we've actively forumed on the same site for years. He has a better grasp of my personality far better than anyone else here.

When I said "I don't tell lies when I'm mafia" he should have been the first to support me on that fact, regardless of what he actually thought of my alignment.

He's said nothing and I hate that.

I can't vouch for the validity of this statement. I do not currently intend to vote for you.

Did I scum-slip?

Hell no you didn't.

Thank you.

Is anyone interested in talking about Colin yet?

I stand by my theory Colin wanted to waste a rezz. With the implication of fake flips.

I do not remember this theory. Care to refresh me?

If I were choosing between Colin and sprit, I'd lynch Colin first right now. But self-preservation is on the menu for me now, so if things stay the way they are I'll need to stay on sprit. I'm okay with him too.

I also remain open to other options.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:50 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:46 am I've played mafia with Sloonei for a long time. In the grand scheme of things, he doesn't have all that much more experience playing with me than you all do, but we've actively forumed on the same site for years. He has a better grasp of my personality far better than anyone else here.

When I said "I don't tell lies when I'm mafia" he should have been the first to support me on that fact, regardless of what he actually thought of my alignment.

He's said nothing and I hate that.

I can't vouch for the validity of this statement. I do not currently intend to vote for you.

Did I scum-slip?

Hell no you didn't.

Thank you.

Is anyone interested in talking about Colin yet?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:34 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:31 pm Alright let's not mass claim then. My claim's gonna continue to exist though.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:07 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:06 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.

oh no, is that lunalee criticizing me for being low activity?

in otherwords since most people have voted, i think it's a good time to bring up I used a thunderbird last night. So no voted fuckery is happening today. let's see if/how wagons change.

Care to share any of your other actions?

oprah

sprit is one person

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:46 am I've played mafia with Sloonei for a long time. In the grand scheme of things, he doesn't have all that much more experience playing with me than you all do, but we've actively forumed on the same site for years. He has a better grasp of my personality far better than anyone else here.

When I said "I don't tell lies when I'm mafia" he should have been the first to support me on that fact, regardless of what he actually thought of my alignment.

He's said nothing and I hate that.

I can't vouch for the validity of this statement. I do not currently intend to vote for you.

Did I scum-slip?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:06 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.

oh no, is that lunalee criticizing me for being low activity?

in otherwords since most people have voted, i think it's a good time to bring up I used a thunderbird last night. So no voted fuckery is happening today. let's see if/how wagons change.

Care to share any of your other actions?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:46 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:40 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.

What about colin?

Last I went through Colin's posts (to find the INH/speed stuff) I actually saw posts that made me unsure. Like he looks bad from that interaction, but overall his posts look like town. Is Colin really good at hiding as mafia? Cause if he is bad, I'm impressed. Some of the stuff he's said is throwing me off a bit.

He has plenty of experience and I vaguely recall that Colin is cool under pressure, so I wouldn’t discount him for having a believable tone alone.

Honestly I can’t get past his vote right now. It has all the markings of a pre-meditated move. He's not engaging with the thread in its current state and he came in with a ready-made vote which he’s not moving off of.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:03 pm I'd prefer to get lynched for you all believing that I scum-slipped than for something that happened before I came into this game, but above that I'd prefer that you all didn't fucking think I scum slipped and don't lynch me.

If that's a scum slip, then my INH post was definitely a town slip.

But the mafia didn't kill INH. The only thing you slipped is that you didn't read the flips.

Agreed.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.

What about colin?

And the bottom quote is hella townie of me, like damn. Imma toot my horn. Nutella drops a scum pairing in my lap that doesn't involve me in any way after I've been on the hot seat and my immediate reaction is to dispute her? Nuh uh. Hell no. That's dumb. Lynching me is dumb. Don't do it.

The middle quote there is also evidence against the theory that Jay killed Long Con. He wouldn't have that level of uncertainty surrounding the night actions if he'd played a central role in them.

In which we demonstrate that Sloonei has been working under the assumption that two Death Eaters remain:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:27 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:26 pm Quick poll: how many scum do we think there are total? I was thinking 4 for a lot of the game (unrelated to the House theory), but now I'm leaning 5.

4 seems a bit light.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:09 pm Also entirely plausible that speedchuck and kara are both full of poop and there is no ??? -- this is all made up CARP

Hella ballsy of the two of them to draw themselves together like this if so.

By which I mean...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:00 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 am What I actually think though is that either speed and kara are bad or quin and sloonei are, and I heavily lean toward the former atm.

What would be their motivation for linking themselves together with the floo story if they're partners? Possibly even the last remaining Death Eaters?

Does anyone not think we have 5 Death Eaters? I thought we'd all established that was the most sensible number.

actually i've decided i'd rather be lynched for something that happened on Day 1 than because you guys think i'm careless and stupid enough to scum slip.

Alright let's not mass claim then. My claim's gonna continue to exist though.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:22 pm I'm back to occam's razor on this. Screw the poutanko tinfoil. Our scum are either sloonei/quin or sloonei/sprityo or all three of them. jury's still out on kara.

Is Colin bad?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:09 pm But actually the answer to my other question is crucial.

it was a typo. I was talking about INH.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:03 pm I'd prefer to get lynched for you all believing that I scum-slipped than for something that happened before I came into this game, but above that I'd prefer that you all didn't fucking think I scum slipped and don't lynch me.

If that's a scum slip, then my INH post was definitely a town slip.

What even is this

A weird mix of annoyance, relief, and ambivalence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:21 pm *I assume we have only two bad guys left. I’ve been operating under the assumption that there’s five total for a while now, but that’s not confirmed. Either way, three dead baddies = a good chance for town, if we take advantage of the situation. I don’t think mass claiming needs to be treated as an awful strategy right now.

I elaborated.

While we're scrutinizing a select few of my posts, can we turn our attention to the things I've said about colin?

I'd prefer to get lynched for you all believing that I scum-slipped than for something that happened before I came into this game, but above that I'd prefer that you all didn't fucking think I scum slipped and don't lynch me.

If that's a scum slip, then my INH post was definitely a town slip.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:53 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:42 pm @MacDougall hi I saw you just changed your vote from sprit to luna, whydat

Well now I look like I was being tricksy when I was about to explain that.

I was about to be all like oi sprityo sucks he bad but then I was like, wait why the fuck is Luna getting towncleared I have barely seen a post of hers since WW2. So it's a pressure vote.

Someone tell me why Luna is good.

INH went HAM on her, iirc.

oh boy that was quick for someone who didn't read what happened before he replaced in. I'm filing this one away for later... don't mind me...

This was a topic of conversation when I first entered the thread. I commented on it at the time. Look at my early posts.

ah so it was.

verifying this also reminded me of that weird post you made about inh's meta not realizing he was dead and there's all kinds of wine to be squeezed out of that wineskin

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:54 pm LOL that sounded lame. I mean of course after seeing what happened overnight I don't have any specific thing I think it would have done, not that I did something thinking it would be unproductive

"let's hope this doesn't achieve anything." - nutella, 2018

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:42 pm @MacDougall hi I saw you just changed your vote from sprit to luna, whydat

Well now I look like I was being tricksy when I was about to explain that.

I was about to be all like oi sprityo sucks he bad but then I was like, wait why the fuck is Luna getting towncleared I have barely seen a post of hers since WW2. So it's a pressure vote.

Someone tell me why Luna is good.

INH went HAM on her, iirc.

oh boy that was quick for someone who didn't read what happened before he replaced in. I'm filing this one away for later... don't mind me...

This was a topic of conversation when I first entered the thread. I commented on it at the time. Look at my early posts.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:42 pm [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

why?

You're at the top of my list at the moment, but subject to stock market fluctuations.

Your long post about sprityo above gave me some real bad feelings. Like you're fabricating a case against the easiest target whom everybody already suspects anyway.

Btw, does the fact that WL is also a block factor into any of your decisions or did you use it primarily/only for protection purposes? Were you worried that you might also be blocking useful actions?

I mostly compiled that post because juliets asked, and I figure we might as well have some talking points and get sprit involved. I always try to be a little extra incendiary with low posters.

I am always cautious of blocking. But I figured you or Jay was going to be killed and I'd rather have you guys alive and roleblocked for a night than dead and gone. My apologies if I prevented you from doing a thing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:42 pm @MacDougall hi I saw you just changed your vote from sprit to luna, whydat

Well now I look like I was being tricksy when I was about to explain that.

I was about to be all like oi sprityo sucks he bad but then I was like, wait why the fuck is Luna getting towncleared I have barely seen a post of hers since WW2. So it's a pressure vote.

Someone tell me why Luna is good.

INH went HAM on her, iirc.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:42 pm [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

why?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:29 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:26 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:21 pm Damn I'm so torn why are all of you simultaneously so convincing and so suspicious

Like I want to trust Luna's perspective on kara, but my gut tells me kara is bad, and I want to agree with Colin on Sloonei but I also want to agree with Sloonei on Colin

Laying it on a bit thick there.

Eh?

just how I'm feeling about this phase, I guess you're more confident?

Do you suspect nutella?

Do you not?

I do not.

@nutella how did that spreadsheet you guys were working on end up looking?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:24 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:15 pm Why. would someone bring INH back to life?

Very astute question, sprit is on the ball.

Is.... is this sarcasm? I can't tell, but if not...
Like it's obvious that he was rezzed by his teammates and I'm pretty sure this had already been discussed when sprit posted this. How the hell is this "astute" or "on the ball" in any way

Fixed.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:26 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:24 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 10:21 pm Damn I'm so torn why are all of you simultaneously so convincing and so suspicious

Like I want to trust Luna's perspective on kara, but my gut tells me kara is bad, and I want to agree with Colin on Sloonei but I also want to agree with Sloonei on Colin

Laying it on a bit thick there.

Eh?

just how I'm feeling about this phase, I guess you're more confident?

Do you suspect nutella?

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:52 pm Epi kill:
Juliet: Why did the maf kill Epi? That's so random.
Luna: Hey, maybe it's someone he sussed, let's take a look!

Jay kill:
Juliet & Luna: Let's talk about something else.

@juliets @Lunalee Why is this different treatment? What will be accomplished by talking about Epi kill? Why no one talk about Jay kill when:
>Jay is a big fish
>Speed watched Jay and LC visited him N1 (cop? block?)
>Jay survived until D4
>Suddenly killed N4
If talking about who's getting killed by scum could accomplish something, isn't talking about Jay kill will bear more fruit than Epi? You two talked about Epi but not about Jay. Why?

I agree that talking about kill targets is a useful thing. But Jay's kill doesn't really alarm me. Based on the way last night played out, I thought it was obvious that either he or nutella was gonna get killed, hence my protection of nutella. I'm not sure what your skepticism is regarding the specific timing of this kill.

Further thoughts on sprityo:
sprit and I subbed into this game right around the same time, for reference. This is his first substantial, on-topic post. It's his 6th since becoming a player in the game, and it comes on Night 3, meaning a full day and night phase have passed without sprit involving himself in any way:

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 6:08 pm oh my time zone is still messed up, no wonder i missed the lynch


um so ive been skimming the past 10 pages or so, only thing that stuck out to me is

mac is getting all defensive and angery a couple pages ago, i dont know what that means, but i wouldnt think he'd be so personal about stuff unless he's against someone who's really grinding his gears

glorf is always town and for the people who tried pushing otherwise, i say shame on you. Not that i've read what he's done this game.

and JJJ has a strong urge to lynch me for whatever reason. that one sticks me in the ribs. I guess it goes to say something that no one else immediately jumped onto the chance.


for the most part, im playing lax. I never intended to play, but im here because replacements were needed. The thread is pretty chaotic in general so i'm gonna be on the sidelines. i'll do work when i need to, but that doesnt mean ill do work because someone wants to pressure me with a lynch to do so.

with that, im going to eat my taco bell and continue to enjoy my first week back in the states

There's a couple of observations here, but nothing that really constitutes a stance in the game. It seems like there's a town read on Mac, but it's offset by "i dont know what that means" and an apparent unwillingness to state a position.
"glorf is always town" is a read, I guess, but this is mostly just a meme at this point and he even admits to not having read glorf's posts, so I can't take it seriously. If anything, I'd call it TMI.
Then he acknowledges that there's suspicion against him. I could see his attitude toward this as feigned indifference. "I'm town so I'm too cool to seriously be bothered by this, so here's a joke."

I don't think his last paragraph is a lie, as I've echoed a sentiment in the same vein. But, like I said earlier, sprit seems to be wielding this attitude as a defense against activity and suspicion, which I don't like. If you're gonna say things like that, it should at least be accompanied by some genuine content.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:15 pm Why. would someone bring INH back to life?

Very astute question, sprit is on the ball. I don't think he stuck around to discuss the answer to this. He did say these things though:

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:23 pm if what DH says is correct, then i think the most likely candidate for mafia in hufflepuff is Speedzeye

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 9:08 am I called Speedchuck our on being mafia like 3 pages ago and it got swept under the rug like an unwanted stepchild

Other than that, I’m on my way to work and it’s a bit chilly outside

First, sprit defers to DH to lend support to his speedchuck case (this is the theory about each house having a Death Eater, pre-role claim madness). Sprit's initial stance is that DH is responsible for this suspicion, thus pinning the blame on him when speed eventually flips town.
Then Juliets asks him directly for reads. Now sprit "called speedchuck out on being mafia" when he needs to show some original work. Ugly look. It's also followed up by this:

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:41 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:55 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am DH and Mac town v Town. Because their entire arguement wasted time and accomplished close to nothing.

sprityo what do you think about the speed vs. Quin debate?

That’s a debate? I didn’t recognize that was a thing

Funny that sprit has remained ignorant of the most critical point of his main suspect, the topic which is dominating the thread at this time, but maintains his supposed suspicion of that player anyway. You think he'd be vigilant, on top of shit. He's not. He's just coasting and looking for an easy target.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:21 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:15 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:10 am Yeah pretty much

Ok I'm asking you all these questions because it's extremely important that you give us some thoughts of where you stand on things. Right now you are sorted into the POE mostly because you haven't participated much and we don't know where you stand on whose good or bad or any other thing going on in the thread. I know you really didn't want to play this game but now that you're here why not share some thoughts?

That’s the thing Juliets I don’t have many thoughts

Why do I need to participate when there’s perfectly capable people who can? It’s not like megaman where I needed to step up to the plate. Jay and Mac and DH are all strong enough.

If I wanted to start anywhere it would be confirming them as good or bad, but that in itself is a monumental task

Mafia are playing hard mode keeping all three alive. Is there a reason for that?

This post irks me for every reason, and it's the main piece of evidence in the "sprit is hiding behind inactivity" case. "Why do I need to do anything?" is his question for us. At best, this is a supremely lazy civilian. At worst, it's scum who's trying to double down on the "disengaged" excuse. Note that sprit's most intense involvement with the game came when there was an easy and convenient wagon mounting against a vocal civilian (speedchuck).

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:44 pm Also Juliets I think there’s merit in investigating why Epi was killed and who he had voiced suspicions for at the time

...and?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 10:38 am JaggedJimmyJay

I skimmed through all house hufflepuffs living players and their previous lives. Bullzeye and Speedchuck came out the worst. Call it my gut


I generally get a town vibe from DH, but then again I’ve been wrong about that two games in a row; and mac arguing with someone and accomplishing nothing is something of a staple I come to expect from him. “Oh honey look, Mr. Macdougal is yelling at the pigeons on his fence again” “pay him no mind Margaret, he’s just like that”

Thanks for showing your work, sprit.

So in conclusion, the only thing sprityo has done is lend his support to the speedchuck wagon. He has exclusively suspected speedchuck, who is now dead and flipped town. Sprit hasn't shared a read since then, although he did hint at Epi's kill being something to look into.

@sprityo what is your opinion on anything? Have your thoughts about DharmaHelper's theory changed at all? Who should be lynched today? Was anyone being opportunistic in pushing speedchuck yesterday?

Non-personal reason for disliking Colin's vote:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:34 am There is a lot of stuff that happened since my last post. Since I am more clueless than before, I will stick with my POE.

[VOTE: SLOONEI] aubergine

I think Owner, upon further reflection, was being bussed by INH. I think Owner also looked terrible, and I think Sloonei, upon inheriting the rolecard, has done his best to appear somewhat unengaged or separated from the action, and I think it’s an act. I’m sticking with this vote unless a new, compelling argument is made for someone else.

He expresses a tentative commitment to his vote despite, evidently, not being informed on the current state of the thread. It's hard to call this anything other than a pre-meditated, calculated vote in that light. His confidence is offset by the hedging statement, "I'm sticking with this unless a new argument comes along." Alright, cool, so like every vote ever? This sentence seems to exist just to emphasize his confidence in the vote while also leaving the door open to pivot to something better.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:53 pm I’ve given my reads. My POE remains the same without further developments.

And if you think I’m “stuck,” well, oh well. Owner did you no favors regardless of alignment and only fell off my radar because I thought INH wouldn’t bus that hard. But I’ve changed my mind. Nothing you’ve done since has signaled to me that you’re town on your own merit either, so ... here we are.

He does not deny that his read comes from Day 1. He then tries to lend strength to it by waving his hand at the 200+ posts I've made in this game. I pressed him to actually present a read on me, but he's shown an unwillingness to do so:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:04 pm You haven’t done anything I can recall other than pop in to say you haven’t read the thread, deflect from the Owner arguments and defend yourself a lot. If you feel I’m minimizing your contributions then I apologize.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced the “script” was to bus Owner when it became clear she fucked up and then INH died unexpectedly changing the game a bit. Nothing will convince me otherwise until I see your flip and I really mean nothing.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:26 pm I’m not interested in arguing the point further Sloonei. I’m not going to convince you to lynch yourself and your questions are things I’ve already addressed. Sorry.

"The point" which Colin is "not interested in arguing" is the merits of his vote. So in other words, Colin isn't interested in justifying his vote. He just wants to leave it there because he's sure of it, but not sure enough to actually defend, and also he's going to change it if he can get another civilian lynched.

This vote is bogus. The "script" is to say that LC saved Owner a month ago.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 9:46 pm Sloonei’s putting up a hell of a fight but if he’s not scum I’ll eat G-Man’s dictionary.

You're excessively confident for someone who's not even trying to figure out what's going on.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:42 pm No one seems to want to talk about Jay again
I'll eat my breakfast and go to work.

What would you like to talk about?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:21 pm *I assume we have only two bad guys left. I’ve been operating under the assumption that there’s five total for a while now, but that’s not confirmed. Either way, three dead baddies = a good chance for town, if we take advantage of the situation. I don’t think mass claiming needs to be treated as an awful strategy right now.

I just don't understand what we are looking for in a mass claim since the baddies all have regular abilities they can claim.

An understanding of how the pieces fit. I guess that does complicate things somewhat though.

*I assume we have only two bad guys left. I’ve been operating under the assumption that there’s five total for a while now, but that’s not confirmed. Either way, three dead baddies = a good chance for town, if we take advantage of the situation. I don’t think mass claiming needs to be treated as an awful strategy right now.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:04 pm
Has anything happened since Day 1 that I can talk about? I’m not public enemy #1 or anything, but it’s irritating that there is a nagging suspicion about me which pre-exists my participation in the game.

Long Con saved you in a lynch. You are one of three people from the one house where we haven't found a baddie yet. Owner's day 1 play was suspish. And you have kind of even-keeled/steady-as-she-goe'd since taking over, participating but not sticking your neck out. AndI didn't like the night action dump earlier, though that is more minor.

My play has been what it is. It’s not as aggressive as I’d like it to he, but that’s due to life circumstances. The info dump was an attempt to shake things up. I was anticipating more of a response. We have info dumping as a tactic available to us and a lot of crucual claims are already out there. I don’t prioritize secretivity as much as I normally would at this phase of the gam. We’ve only got two bad guys left. Identifying dishonest claims seems like it could be an effective method for catching them.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:01 pm Moved my vote to sloonei. The Owner suspicion has been there since day fucking 1, and Long Con SAVED Owner...

Has anything happened since Day 1 that I can talk about? I’m not public enemy #1 or anything, but it’s irritating that there is a nagging suspicion about me which pre-exists my participation in the game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:07 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm sloonei I am tempted to vote sprityo too but his total lack of anything seems almost too bold for a baddie. I mean he openly isn't trying at all. What convinced you to vote for him? Sorry if you already answered.

I’m simply not dissuaded by his lack of activity. I don’t suspect him purely for being inactive, but to me he seems to be wielding his inactive status as a defense mechanism, rather than trying to do anything productive with his time in the thread.

I’d offer more insight but I’m currently walking to class.

You're not wrong but didn't you say you have no reads because you haven't read last day phase?

Several days ago, yeah, and I said so while actively trying to develop my own reads. I’ve seen none of that from sprit.

Also I reserve the right to be as big a hypocrite as I want to be if I have an earnest suspicion.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:13 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:06 pm Here is my gut-town "player salad." Based off what I've seen from these players, I'm town reading them, and wouldn't mind a lynch of anyone not on this list:
DharamaHelper
juliets
karavalenge
nutella
Quin
Sloonei
Timmer

There are accusations that Timmer's not actually a vigilante. Tell me your thoughts on this and generally why Timmer is a townread.

I’m still unclear on the order of events with timmer’s claim. He was both blocked and (allegedly) arresto’d by Quin night 1, then killed INH(?) Night 2, and has done no killing since then?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm sloonei I am tempted to vote sprityo too but his total lack of anything seems almost too bold for a baddie. I mean he openly isn't trying at all. What convinced you to vote for him? Sorry if you already answered.

I’m simply not dissuaded by his lack of activity. I don’t suspect him purely for being inactive, but to me he seems to be wielding his inactive status as a defense mechanism, rather than trying to do anything productive with his time in the thread.

I’d offer more insight but I’m currently walking to class.

@ColinIsCool gimme a read on sprityo please and thanks.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:32 pm Colin and poutanko are our scum who's with me

Sprityo and colin.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:26 pm I’m not interested in arguing the point further Sloonei. I’m not going to convince you to lynch yourself and your questions are things I’ve already addressed. Sorry.

I’m only looking to be convinced that your vote is sincere. Right now it does not appear that way. My initial response was that you appeared to be stuck on Day 1 and you’ve said nothing to the contrary.

But we can move off the specific topic of your vote for now. What is your take on the current state of the thread?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:15 pm What reason is there to believe that speedchuck was killed by the Death Eaters rather than a civilian?

I dunno. I suppose none. If a civ vigged Speed based on Poutanko's claim, then yeah obv. that's a bit of a problem.

This is what I think happened. I have no extra evidence to support it, but speed was the closest thing we had to a consensus suspect, so it makes the most sense to suspect that he was killed by a civilian. This doesn’t clear poutanko, obviously, so if anything I guess it’d make your points against her even stronger.
I’m still not sure I see a Death Eater in her posts, but I’m giving it more thought now. Especially since Colin’s vote right now is, as the kids say, garbo.

What reason is there to believe that speedchuck was killed by the Death Eaters rather than a civilian?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:04 pm You haven’t done anything I can recall other than pop in to say you haven’t read the thread, deflect from the Owner arguments and defend yourself a lot. If you feel I’m minimizing your contributions then I apologize.

This is a severely inadequate reading of me. I don’t even say that as a defensive statement. The player called Sloonei has done a lot more than you assign to him here. It’s as if you’re willfully not reading his posts. I was hoping you’d offer specific details in your read, but instead you just continued your dismissive hand-waving.

Also I haven’t addressed the Owner suspicions at all. I’ve deflected nothing. I am not Owner. I do not speak for them and they do not speak for me.

The more I think about it the more I am convinced the “script” was to bus Owner when it became clear she fucked up and then INH died unexpectedly changing the game a bit. Nothing will convince me otherwise until I see your flip and I really mean nothing.

This is a lazy cop out. Try harder.

What happened in the thread on Days 3 & 4?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:53 pm I’ve given my reads. My POE remains the same without further developments.

And if you think I’m “stuck,” well, oh well. Owner did you no favors regardless of alignment and only fell off my radar because I thought INH wouldn’t bus that hard. But I’ve changed my mind. Nothing you’ve done since has signaled to me that you’re town on your own merit either, so ... here we are.

What have I done? You say I haven’t established myself as a town read in your eyes. Why not?

Also what do you say to the argument that somebody made, I forget who, that INH rarely busses his teammates? How did he treat Long Con, for instance?

Also, RE: the notion thay I’m faking disengagement, I’ve been pretty open that I’m being cautious about signing up for games right now, this one included. I’m busy. It’s my first semester back at school in three years. I’m not going to throw huge amounts of time and energy into a mafia game. I signed up as a replacement for this one because I didn’t know if I’d actually be able to do it or not. You can say I’m wielding this as an excuse if you want, but to say outright that “it’s an act” when there’s evidence out the wazoo to the contrary is bordering on disingenuous.