The Syndicate

I've already looked a little bit at Turnip Head, but now I'm gonna focus specifically on Tony while trying to argue that they're partners.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:40 am I think we lost our momentum after the weird end to the lynch and then 24 hours of radio silence.

Something I wanted to mention was TonyStarkPrime, none of us have discussed him. He was around at the end of the lynch but most of his contributions were about the hammer. Not much actual gamesolving from TSP yet which is quite different from what I remember in GoC where he was flinging out reads with a high degree of proficiency. He was never the loudest voice in the room in that game, but he did enough for other towns to know he was there and doing his best.

After zero mentions of Tony on page 1 of Turnip's ISO, this post appears about halfway down page 2. Tony's not in danger and this is out of the blue, so it could be an abrupt turn by Partner A who realizes he needs to start putting some distance between themself and Partner B. Especially if TH feels like he's in danger of getting lynched this day.

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A vote and some encouragement for a vegetable coalition.

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An absolute thrill ride again. This... continues to go absolutely nowhere. Tony gives a limp response that Turnip doesn't respond to meaningfully. It is not difficult to read this as fake suspicion. They exchange votes and slap each other playfully, but neither gives any serious weight to the exchange. It can easily be staged in anticipation of Turnip's postmortem.

Verdict: Not incompatible.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:09 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:07 pm We have about 24 hours, just to ensure we're mindful of the clock.
fine i'll get started on this case

i can actually be here for eod this time btw 8) unless it's like... earlier than 7PM EDT
It's at 3:30 EDT
rip yeah i can't be here for eod... again.

epi's the lynch today anyway. We're just using all the time we can to figure out the next move.

Tony & Turnip

*note that I'm not searching for the abbreviation "TH" because that produces something like 300 results per page, so it's possible i'm missing things.

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Borderline. That's just "null" with extra letters.

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A lil headbutt

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"Oh whoops, I forgot to apply pressure, better go back and fix that."

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Stimulating back-and-forth.

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Edge of my seat.

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This recalls to mind that Tony still has funnygurl in his POE for some reason.

That wasn't a lot. Their little headbutt yesterday went nowhere.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:03 pm Soda is worse than the Book of Mafia.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:03 pm And tea is better than coffee.
these posts viscerally disgust me

I direct you to your own signature.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:01 pm i'm gonna design a mafia game where players need to communicate via pheromones.
cumming soon
Wtf this is from a year ago and I didn't know it existed. Foul. There are children on this website.

How do you think they got here?

And tea is better than coffee.

Soda is worse than the Book of Mafia.

i'm gonna design a mafia game where players need to communicate via pheromones.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:50 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:46 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:45 pm Sorry I did not refresh in time. But yes, you mentioned it in the thread. If you had not, how would I have known you had an apple? Unless we were scumbuds...
I have reason to believe the mafia team was aware of the apple before I used it.
Why and how?
Details of the message in which it was delivered to me.
This wouldn't surprise me. Our Things were often portrayed as being of a give-and-take nature -- there's some risk involved.
Yeah... I hope we didn't screw up.

Turnip Head would still be alive if you did nothing. Apple > Turnip

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:46 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:45 pm Sorry I did not refresh in time. But yes, you mentioned it in the thread. If you had not, how would I have known you had an apple? Unless we were scumbuds...
I have reason to believe the mafia team was aware of the apple before I used it.
Why and how?

Details of the message in which it was delivered to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:05 pm Why are you still suspicious of funnygurl, tony?

still unanswered

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:45 pm Sorry I did not refresh in time. But yes, you mentioned it in the thread. If you had not, how would I have known you had an apple? Unless we were scumbuds...

I have reason to believe the mafia team was aware of the apple before I used it.

jesus guys come on i'm trying to lay a trap here.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:43 pm How did you know it was an apple, michael?
You said so in the thread at some point. Even Jay and I didn't know that

SHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

How did you know it was an apple, michael?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:35 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:31 pm When exactly was Sloonei given the apple?
To my knowledge, Sunday around 4:30-5 my time (7:30-8 Eastern) so about a day before the end of Day 2 (though he could only use it during the night)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:36 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:35 pm And did they know the apple was a kill?
Either a kill or a protection.

Ja.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:09 pm Targeted at someone who was about to be mechanically cleared?

How?

Why are you still suspicious of funnygurl, tony?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:41 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:39 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:00 pm so what'd you do n1 tsp?
Not much
Have you accomplished anything with your role so far?
That I am aware of? No. Maybe another reason why I’m trying to make something of it today.

What’s the character list you have so far?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:41 pm We have so much more time than I thoughf

72 hour days are bliss

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:39 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:00 pm so what'd you do n1 tsp?
Not much

Have you accomplished anything with your role so far?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:53 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:38 am Okay, just Sloonei TS and LC. Sloonei and TS feel compelled likely to not share as their position is that where they're not particularly in danger -- I won't use my action on them. But I'll remind them that scum fake claims. If I find that I know that there is a role in the game that they have not claimed, it can narrow down options.
To clarify:
Let’s say Speed is bad and is Bob but has lied and I can get information on Bob.
If Sloonei and TS tell me that they are not Bob, then I can (with some luck) some better information if I target Speed. If Sloonei and TS don’t tell me anything, I have to get a lot more lucky.

My character has not been claimed by anyone.

Epi is powerless. He's caught and cornered, and he knows that anything he says could incriminate his teammates. He has no words to speak.
speedchuck (assuming he's bad) is predisposed to resist his own lynch on the same level as everyone else. Doesn't count.
Teammate #3 sticks out like a sore thumb if they're the only one defending speedchuck.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:38 am speedchuck - There seems to be at present zero resistance to the idea of lynching speedchuck. He was somewhat aggressive for a brief period in giving Turnip Head shit.

This is the most compelling argument for a town speedchuck.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:52 am epignosis- Potential for a scum mechanic to exist that gave funnygurl false results. Could actually be a traitor or something of the sort.
Funnygurl- Dunked on a (all but guaranteed) wolf, has had genuinely towny tone all game.
Long Con- The self vote as a counterwagon to a town flip is all kinds of unlikely to come from scum, and speedchuck came in day 2 hard tunneling them.
Sloonei- mechanically confirmed town. If sloonei was a wolf, they could have used the given vigshot to achieve parity.
speedchuck- They like, have a page of posts that showed they were trying, for that page.
TonyStarkPrime- Their day 1 was unassuming but comfortable.
ts account- Has behavioral associatives that prevent them from being linked to any other potential wolf in the game.

I do not know if I fully did this right but I saw what you folks were doing.

You've done it right so far. The last step is reflecting on which of these reads you believed in the most, and which you believed in the least?

He can’t see my beer emoji. I’m a doofus.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:42 am I have signatures disabled. (As well as avatars, emotes, and image embeds.) What is it?

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"Delightful" might not be as applicable, but the rest is there.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:33 am http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz ... p?t=150981
Here is a game where the nightkills were essentially randomized, and I had trouble being active for EODs due to work. Note that this game contains the only recorded case of me bussing a teammate, and she was roleplaying in the most obnoxious way, I had to do it or I likely would have been outed as I have a firm belief that roleplaying is a scumtell.

You should steal funnygurl’s signature. It applies to you way more than her.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:30 am http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz ... p?t=151656
Here is a game that I replaced into during night 1. No prizes for guessing who I am.

DaBackpack?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:26 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:23 am Let’s do a trustfall
I'm a freaking god. I don't need anyone to catch me.

Satan had no one to catch him and look what happened.

funnygurl: has a believable claim that buries Epignosis. Generally consistent and relaxed tone throughout the game.
Long Con: Self-voted Day 1 to put himself in a tie for the lead, and Turnip Head seemed cool with it.
speedchuck: is low hanging fruit. Voted for Turnip Head Day 2.
TonyStarkPrime: Doesn’t feel like a fit. Behavior today is at odds with a mafia trying to win a game at lylo.
ts account: vocal presence throughout the game.

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Funnygurl is far and away the most comfortable read here. I wavered a bit on Long Con as I was typinf out that justification this time: his self vote made no sense in any context. If there was some mechanic in play that would have knowingly prevented his lynch, then both he and TH could sit back and let that EoD unfold exactly as it did. That’s a big If.

I owe it to myself to look more closely at Tony’s interactions with the 1 1/2 confirmed bad guys.

Let’s do a trustfall

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:17 am We know Epignosis is a mafioso.

Does anyone still have room left in their solving spaces for a civilian speechuck?

It is difficult to fit him in there, not because of anything he has done, but because that means two of these other folks must be bad. Unless funnygurl and mikey have been doing some crazy hoodwinking all along, I don’f see it.

ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:01 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:57 pm When you say it feels like Sloonei is slimey and whispering in your ear, what exactly do you mean by that? Can you expand somehow upon that perception?

I realize we're operating a hypothetical and evidence-free zone. I have a reason.
Obviously since it is a gut read I cannot really quantify it. I can stamp it with [Agenda] or [Trying to control the thread] and yet sloonei's behavior is slightly more insidious than either of those?
I feel I do not understand why sloonei says any of the things they say, and I cannot see myself asking the same questions. As though they are intentionally leading a puppet of themselves toward their desired outcome.

Most of the time I’m just asking people to clarify their own words. Like how how you used “insidious” here. Could you provide an example of insidious sloon?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:59 pm Can anyone tell me why they aren't inclined to answer Tony's call for a character claim?

There is too much time between now and a civilian victory for me to be comfortable providing any public information about roles unless I have a clear reason to think it will benefit our chances of achieving said victory.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:56 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:15 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:12 pm
That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?
If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.
That is even further from answering the question.
Still unanswered
zzzz
who are you

Also Gene Parmesan.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:57 pm speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl
How has your view of ts account changed since nutella and I arrived?
It is partially motivated by POE. funnygurl's claim buried Epi and looks authentic in light of the host corrections from this morning. Tony has been my next strongest town read in the thread today, in part because he looks a bit out of place going around begging for character claims. It's a bizarre thing to be doing if he's bad. Long Con's self vote is the single weirdest event in a game which featured two demi-gods descending upon us from the heavens, but the fact that TH sat calmly by while LC was in danger of being lynched on Day 1 seems like an indication that he's town. The exception to that is the possibility of vote shenanigans, but there is no direct evidence pointing there.
ts account has been very By The Numbers. Not just today, but all game long. He has cited the fabled Book of Mafia multiple times, and it also feels like he's reading directly from it whenever he expresses a read on anything. He's eager to hammer Epi, but hammering Epi is the easy thing to do today and there's no incentive not to bus him. I had an early game beef with him that dissolved because he kept up a suspicion of me that looked too stubborn to be real, but I care less about that now that we're in our current position.
Thanks for the begging now who are you

Gene Parmesan.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:15 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:12 pm
That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?
If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.
That is even further from answering the question.

Still unanswered

Which points were not sound?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:34 pm Sloonei and I are not identical players. There are differences, both subtle and unsubtle. The running gags about our similarity are good fun, but they disguise the space between our styles.

And yet, sometimes he makes a post that I typed myself.

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:06 am I'll respond in more detail so we can move this forward.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:53 am It isn't like you are voting me for another reason.
... another reason than what? I don't understand what this sentence refers to.
My point isn't even that mechanical discussion is scummy (it is) or that your post made you scum.
Thank you for telling me what your point isn't. Could you tell me what your point is? I wasn't aware you had a point here.
So, either you didn't take the time to understand my point before omgusing
What point?
or you are feeling pressure and you are trying to take down the most vocal player as soon as possible.
You are not the most vocal player, I am. Look at me go. And you also are not the first person to turn a critical eye on me. That was leetic. He is a town read. I claim responsibility for the escalation of our exchange. Your opposition to me is more vocal than others because I have engaged with you to make it so. I reject this suggestion at face value.
Which is it?
N/A.

I feel like you are used to being able to throw your weight around to shut down anyone looking your way.
This is where I say that you are misunderstanding me. I am an aggressive player, town or scum. I will engage directly with people on topics that I find pertinent. I do not even care that I happened to be the subject of your initial suspicion. I am interested in the suspicion itself, the mindset and motivation behind it, and, much more importantly than that, the events which have transpired since then.

Having said all that, I have no intention of dragging the two of us into a feedback loop of hostility. I fully acknowledge that we are two civilians butting heads out of the gate. I am challenging you the way that I am because multiple points in your posts have come across as questionable to me. I wish to pursue those questions for answers. I am not incapable of listening to your answers. All of the question I am asking are genuine.

I merely listened to the universe, and God spoke through me.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:29 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:28 pm @ts account @Sloonei What is your experience playing together to your knowledge?

I can only remember one Bulbagarden game the three of us played when I was a mafioso shot by a serial killer.
I have no distinct memory of him as a player, but I know I have been in at least one game with him in the past. If it was the bublagarden game, then I was surrounded by unfamiliar faces so
He was also in World Flags

Lol that wasn’t a real game

My biggest shopping pet peeve in the Age of COVID, I realized today, is people stopping in the middle of the lane to do jack shit. Have a plan and keepi it moving, folks. The absolute last thing we need is congested aisles.

Stop posting so my off topic story can still be relevant.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:28 pm @ts account @Sloonei What is your experience playing together to your knowledge?

I can only remember one Bulbagarden game the three of us played when I was a mafioso shot by a serial killer.

I have no distinct memory of him as a player, but I know I have been in at least one game with him in the past. If it was the bublagarden game, then I was surrounded by unfamiliar faces so

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:25 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:16 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:10 pm work was hell

sup
sup FG sorry work dumb

We're just solving the game and things
i'm a cashier and a woman was checking her shit out, but she wanted me to cancel things. so i asked her if she just wanted to start the transaction over, and she replied "i want to start my life over"

and then she just left.

anyway my list
Mikey
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck (only person compatible with epi based on epi's iso; idk)

sloonei's obv town here so

The Gods tell us there must be one more bad guy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:22 pm i think sunfan and i were in the same preliminary game in the MU tournament a hundred years ago.

Assuming "The Sun Fan" from Flash Flash Revolution is the same person you guys are talking about.

i think sunfan and i were in the same preliminary game in the MU tournament a hundred years ago.

[mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] the first Big Event in this game was a disagreement between myself and mikey. I can't read it without any personal bias. Would appreciate your thoughts, if you have the time. It begins on page 1 with leetic's vote for me.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:12 pm
That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?
If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.

That is even further from answering the question.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:00 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:58 pm You said to ignore evidence, so I get to do this.
I did say that! So your take is acknowledged. One question:

How would you say Sloonei's play in this game differs from what you've seen from me in half a day phase?
Just my gut? Sloonei is covered in slime, and is whispering to me from the gutter. You are shouting in my face.

That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:03 pm If I am a civilian, what happens? People blame me or themselves?

Ball game.

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