The Syndicate

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:39 pm Sorry I didn't see their name lolololol

Why is Long Con the only person whose name you didn't read?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:37 pm Sloonei u play i read

I would expect that to be the formula, yes.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:31 pm I changed my vote to ted for the sake of spread. he town
Is this for real

... yes? Why wouldn't it be?

I changed my vote to ted for the sake of spread. he town

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:28 pm I don't understand, how do we lose scraps? By voting anyone to execute? Do we execute by the poll on the thread?

Scrap is lost by receiving votes in the Day poll. The night poll is for giving scrap to people. So in this poll we're voting for who we think should be given the scrap from Jack's ship.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:19 pm Sloonei you made two posts and didn’t clear yourself. What is going on?

I acknowledge that I do not look great in association with Jack. I recognized a difference in his play this game to what I would expect, but attributed it to his recent game experience rather than treating as something unique to this game. I was wrong and Mac was right. I'm town and this is actually a game now, so I'll have plenty of opportunity to be me on Day 2. I hope.

i won't be killed because JaggedJimmyJay said he has concerns about me seven times.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:25 pm I'd appreciate thoughts on my Sloonei review. Whenever I have anything to say about him that isn't "he's town", it feels significant to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:19 pm Part of me was hoping Jack would flip town so I wouldn’t have to deal with the “sloonei was trying to save jack” arguments.

sig wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:11 pm I agree with Jay, I think? Maybe it was someone else, either way I'd not lock clear anyone on the Jack wagon. Especially given how often Mac will hard bus his team.
And nanook actually, I'm fairly certain he and Sloonie bussed another mafia member D1 awhile back and civs got crushed. I think this one was The Wire?

I subbed into the Wire on like Day 2 or 3 and then I got bussed by nanook and jack.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:36 am

If I didn't love my current avatar so much (thank you LC), I'd use this.

Without thinking too much about it, i’d vote for daisy right now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:42 pm Nutella getting all the scrap and Mac getting so little makes Mac feel very unloved btw. Mac tried very hard for you people and this is the repayment I get? I'm going into business for myself.

I voted nutella because I think you’re more likely to be the nightkill target

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:19 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.
I’m not complaining, but how on earth did I earn this read? Part of me was hoping Jack would flip town so I wouldn’t have to deal with the “sloonei was trying to save jack” arguments.
I find it hard to believe that you didn't read the post immediately before this one where I explained why.

I’m just responding to my pings and saw your post, mang

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:32 pm Sloonei, Nanook, Nutella are all lock clear.

Sig and Spacedaisy voted late on Soneji when LC looked like getting lynched.

I'd say the scum are Jack + LC + one of sig/Spacedaisy. Whichever of the two Jack spewed more.

I’m not complaining, but how on earth did I earn this read? Part of me was hoping Jack would flip town so I wouldn’t have to deal with the “sloonei was trying to save jack” arguments.

How does this reflect on LC?

Confirmed: serious and focused Jack is always scum.

Also noting that Jack advocated for inactive lynches. I don’t know what that means just yet, but it’s a thing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:56 pm Shit sorry. Thought day ended on the hour.

You're not officially dead yet

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm I’m honestly not sure why anyone is voting for me.

Mac thinks I’m distancing from LC?

Nutella doesn’t like my taste in salad?

This is gonna be one of those games where I end up antialigned with everyone and people still suspect me come lylo huh?

I could see this post coming from scum, at least.

I'm staying on LC.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:48 pm I like playing with LC so this makes me kinda sad tbh

Yeah but like all the other suspects are people that don't play as often as him, so

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:46 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:45 pm meh not seeing scum lc here
Quickly tell us why this is town LC and who we should vote for instead
Wtf when did sig post this? Lol.

two seconds ago

sig wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:45 pm meh not seeing scum lc here

Quickly tell us why this is town LC and who we should vote for instead

I'm not going to be super confident in any vote today, but I'm less comfortable making a wild swing onto jack at this moment than I am staying put.

holy linki

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:28 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:47 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:51 pm
Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 am Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.
I think this is a fair take.

I don’t suspect Soneji for asking me to clarify or think it was pointless.
HOLY FUCK CODE RED THIS IS NOT A DRILL JACK IS ACTUALLY SCUM

Abandon ship?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:25 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:24 pm Sloonei/Mac/Nutella voting triumvirate on Long Con is such big dick energy though. All we need is Jack and Nanook and we can summon the fucking megazord.
#BDT

BirdDickTeeth?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:20 pm Soneji, Dragomir/nutella, and Long Con have multiple votes.

Does anybody town read any of those players?
Nutella is lock lock lock lock lock town. The other two are specifically the two players that I wanted to be the focus of D1 in my path forward post. Which was always going to happen. Because even though people don't actually listen to me, they still do what I want.
is there a real reason for that nutella read?
Yes because we have mind melded and that only happens when we are both town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:20 pm Soneji, Dragomir/nutella, and Long Con have multiple votes.

Does anybody town read any of those players?
Nutella is lock lock lock lock lock town. The other two are specifically the two players that I wanted to be the focus of D1 in my path forward post. Which was always going to happen. Because even though people don't actually listen to me, they still do what I want.

is there a real reason for that nutella read?

Soneji, Dragomir/nutella, and Long Con have multiple votes.

Does anybody town read any of those players?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 5:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:56 pm Placeholder vote on Colin. Ted’s response RE: sonenji looks like a civilian.

I’ll figure out what fo think about soneji later.
Wait....what?
Ted is town. Soneji is tbd.
I was questioning your Colin vote after you failed against lynching a no show.

I thought we agreed my votes don't count?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:06 pm Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.
Yknow I could come around. His point about soneji and inactives seemed weird after he was just all "preflip associative reads? never again" the other day. But, well, hypocrisy blah blah playbook blah.

i'm not going to vote for soneji to test it out. I am saying that as an If/then statement.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:06 pm Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

That last sentence just isn't even close to any reality we've ever lived in.

[VOTE: long con] aubergine because I feel less bad lynching him Day 1 than I would daisy.

RE: soneji, I do think his prickly response to early suspicion could be an indication that he has inactive teammates, if he is indeed bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:52 pm @nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?
It's beep boop, but nothing else is happening so I don't see why he shouldn't do it

This is exactly why I started it. But things have started happening, kind of. I wanted to see it through. I have town reads now.

I'm not ISOing ted because I've already talked to/about him more than anyone else. He's a town read, as explained here. I guess I also need a nutella read now too. Here's a temporary rainbow:

Myo
Jack
ted
motobot
Jiwon
Nanook
sig
mac
Soneji
Colin
Dragotella
Spacedaisy
Long Con

Space Day Z

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Nearly all of her content is contained in one big ketchup post. I don't disagree with the Jack read, nor do I object to the line about sig. I'm a bit wary that Soneji has become an easy target for folks to pile onto (or he's scum and they're going to leap at the opportunity I am providing to redirect the momentum against him), so I don't love point 3 as much. "He looks like doing more hunting than he actually is" is a fairly generic accusation that can be thrown around without needing to be applied to anything specific.

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This isn't untrue, but I was making an observation about this game in particular. I'm slightly wary of a player who advocates for blanket suspicion against "inactive players" when that pool is so large right now, even if daisy herself could be considered a member of it.

There is not enough here for me to call Daisy a town read. Light orange.

Much has been made of soneji's first big post already. My position is that it's too early to tell what to make of that. It was a seed-planting post. Seeds need time to grow. Since then he's been the only thing close to a sustained suspect in the thread.

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This is not an incorrect Sloonei read, but the caveat is that a mafia player would have an easier time reading my energy since they know my alignment. I don't object to this post, but it doesn't exude civilian energy either.

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This frustration is probably genuine, but they doesn''t mean much for his alignment.

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These posts, however give me a slight town lean on Soneji. I don't know if mafia soneji picks this fight with mac in this way. Mac has suggested that he's fake-tunneling to score townie points. That's not impossible, but I have no explicit reason to believe it's the case. The simpler answer is that Soneji doesn't like the way that Mac is pushing him and has decided to regard him as dishonest. I can see either of them being either alignment in this exchange.

I would not be inclined to lynch soneji today because I think he'll be easier to sort in a day or two.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:27 pm Oh no I need to poop! Fuck.

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

sig

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Contrary to his objections, sig's style isn't really too different from mine. His day 1's typically feature widespread accusations based on minor events. These posts reflect that. There's a mix of town and mafia reads, but the suspicions are derived from small Day 0/1 events. So

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This doesn't seem like an atypical thought for sig.

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nanook called him out for this, and it was legitimate observation. To this point it did not appear that Daisy was aware the game had started. Why sig felt the need to make this post, I do not know.

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The implicit angle that I/we should be lynching an inactive player today does not sit well with me, but I have an easier time accepting it from sig than I would from some others. He sees different things in the game than other folks. It gets him in hot water all the time, but he is not without his method.

Light green.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:19 pm I have a question, is anybody pooping right now? Cuz insta lock wolf right there.

The game is over 24 hours old now, surely we're allowed to poop.

wait, did the pooper actually end up being scum in that game? I didn't follow past day 1

nanook the grated... does anyone know a type of cheese that rhymes with fearsome?

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Nanook confirmed nanook. Cool.

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A man of his word. I'd ask why these reads exist, but...

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Never.

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See above.

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This constitutes the absence of a scum read on me, at least. I... appreciate that, I guess.

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A legitimate question. I'll call that a tentative good look, but absolutely nothing in here is out of range for Evil Nanook.

He's been loose and carefree, but I've seen scum nanook be those things in the past. My meta read on him is still a work in progress since I only saw scum nanook for the first several games we played together. I have no direct reason to accuse him of anything yet. I don't really know what to do with these posts. They exist.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:03 pm This is great—now we TK the drago/nutella slot, and if it flips mafia, awesome! If it flips town, we get nutella 2.0 in the Colin slot.

What could go wrong!

We're living in a futuristic utopia with access to both lightspeed travel and a never-ending jar of nutella.

Myo is a confident town read.

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First, I can't even imagine how mafia looks when played on reddit. That feels... cluttered? I'm sure it's nice, it just seems foreign to me. Second, it warms my heart that we come up on google searches for mafia resources and that someone looked to us Jay for assistance.

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Now onto the actual read. A question like this tells me that Myo is genuinely reading and trying to figure out what all these new people are talking about. We're using terminology he doesn't know and she seeks clarification without a moment's hesitation. That sort of openness and ease is what I like to see in a civilian. Speaking of openness and ease:

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Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 1:02 pm To give someone new the bonus scrap. So you think if we all tie in today's vote, we'll all get scrap?
You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?

Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 8:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:38 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 7:20 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:56 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 6:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 4:04 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 3:53 pm

You think so? I kind of assumed that if multiple people tied for the top vote that it would be determined by RNG?
Hi Myo! What can you tell us about your mafia experience? What sort of things will you be looking for, and what is your general strategy on Day 1 and later on?

Hola! I think I mentioned that I normally play at HogwartsWerewolves. Games are a bit bigger (small games are 30-45 and big games are 70-100ish). I'm excited to try something different! Not sure what else to say about my general experience ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I normally like to discuss mechanics phase 0/1 and see what people think is the best approach to different roles/event/etc. I like to get a feel about where other people's heads are at compared to mine. I typically base who I think is sus in the early phases on this. Later in the game I'd say that I kind of like to poke people if that makes sense? Especially with regards to the quieter people I tend to find that reactions to accusations/questions can be useful. Also looking for people who flip-flop on their reads or opinions.

Based on your questions I'm guessing my inclination that ties are solved by RNG is probably false based on typical rules here?
Your strategy is most aligned with mine, though I’ll caution that players who flip-flop are not always suspicious for doing so, especially in this community. “Flip-flopping” is more often than not just changing one’s mind.

Is role claiming typically allowed in your games?

Yes, role claiming and what was called 'info-dumping' in the rules is allowed and normal.
How does that affect you going into this game, where those things are not allowed?

I don’t really think it should change things that much for me. I’ve played games before where the seer/power-roles died without revealing and so there were no role-claims/info to be shared late game because the role was already dead. The majority of my town/sus reads tend to be based on comment/vote histories and interactions with other players anyways. Having the power-role info does allows things to ‘slot’ into place and helps guide a bit (contextualise might be a good way of thinking about it) but this is also achieved by alignments shared in the meta when someone is lunched/night killed.

I am very excited for the public vote tallies, which are something I have never seen before.

I asked Myo a few generic questions about gameplay/strategy/whatever, and the answers were again very carefree and open. There are no reads on this particular game in these posts, but I feel like I'm talking to a player who is not uncomfortable to be here; a player who rolled scum in a new environment might be less comfortable.

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This is the only thing that really constitutes a read from Myo so far in the game. I approve of the direction.

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Another question that suggests she's reading along and trying to figure out our silly styles. Groovy.

I like the tone and am willing to trust Myo. The next step is developing reads. So let's do that, myo! Who stands out to you so far, one way or the otehr?

World famous Walrus Participant motobot is joining us for a mafia game. I think this is his first time playing? Welcome!

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If this is his first game, then this is the first post he ever made in a mafia game and it's the most straightforward smackdown of Macdougall I've ever seen. Moto is instantly my favorite player in the game.

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Can you tell us more about why you think nanook is evil, motobot? What evil things did he do?

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:48 pm Also, what is salad?

Player Salad is the signature dish of the Syndicate!

We use it to refer to somebody who provides a vague list of suspects that they would lynch. "I would lynch players X, Y, & Z. Maybe W." is the standard recipe. It's seen as a bad thing.

Let there be Mac

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I've gotten slightly better at identifying civilian macdougall in recent games, but I'm still not all that good at identifying mafia mac. One thing that I am wary of is that Mafia Mac is perfectly capable of projecting extreme confidence in his phony reads. These early posts would be a blueprint for that. But the reason I'm historically awful at reading Mac is that this tendency isn't out of character for him as a civilian either. He said as much here:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 6:11 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 5:26 pm @motobot @MacDougall You guys are making some certain sounding reads here, can you tell me why?
I like to project confidence in all of my doings

My concern here, if I decide to run with it, would be that Mac's projection of confidence is simply that: a projection. I have no distinct reason to lean in that direction at the moment, but it's a possibility that exists.

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Contrary to Jack's seeming palpable energy to redeem himself from last game, Mac's acknowledgment of that experience seems more distant. I don't award him the same credit as Jack, but he doesn't lose any points here either. I'm just noting the absence of a town read rather than the presence of a suspicion.

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See, there's absolutely no reason this post can't exist from a mafia macdougall. There's no reason why it has to be a mafia macdougall either, but

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He reverses that early scum read on Jiwon. I guess I sort of like this post a little bit, kind of.

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This was not the response I expected when I prodded Mac. I meant my "prove it" as in, "Go do all the town things, Mr. Doguall. Be a shining beacon for the rest of us in the dark cold void of space, you noble beast." But he took it as an accusation of sorts, which... maybe that indicates a sense of guilt somewhere in the back of his mind? I'm not a psychologist though. I am a space ship.

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Lots of people pounced on soneji. Mac was one of them. I dunno. This post, again, is not out of character for any version of mac.

Mac, as always, gets a shrug read. I don't have the energy to recommend lynching him right now.

Longius Connium

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"Mafia talks about mechanics" is an argument I've fought against a bunch in the past and I think it's hugely overstated in a lot of games.
So, like, is this mafia Long Con talking about mechanics for the bulk of his early content? There hasn't been much progression beyond this early banter:

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Turns out it was LC who suggested the "derpclear" angle on Jiwon, only he accompanied it with an immediate dismissal. The shade feels a bit unnecessary.

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This also feels a bit like an obligatory vote. "I have to do something so I'll call Jack suspicious for this post." I don't love LC's posts, but usually when I do love his posts it means he's bad. He's light orange on my imaginary rainbow for now, for the sake of taking a stance.

JiwonMeganPark:
I have never played with her before. This player is totally new to me and I have no expectations.

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Hi.

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The term "derpclear" was tossed around in response to this post and I can kind of see it. The idea for such a thing seems typical for a player who comes from somewhere other than The Syndicate, but I don't know if it gets suggested so bluntly by a player in a new (to them) community if they would be unable to support their own hypothetical role claim. Is this angleshooting? I hope not. Either way, this isn't a solid read. But I'd lean town for the whimsy of it.

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Cryptic and even more whimsical. I love it. I don't understand it, but I love it. Slapping a town read on Jiwon because it seems like a fun thing to do.

Mini ISOs because something needs to happen in this game. Colin and Drago haven't posted yet. They both get a shrug.

Jack:

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I like this post for vague reasons. I feel like it shows a Jack who's eager to get back in the saddle after a very disappointing result in the game that recently ended. Ordinarily I'd raise an eyebrow over Jack being so focused and on-topic early, but instead I read that as a hunger to solve a game after the Corrupt!? experience, as evidenced in these posts:

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Not enough has happened to assess the direction of his reads. That's gonna be a common thing here. But based on attitude and energy, Jack feels like a civilian. Would not lynch.

ISO links for my own sake:

ColinIsCool
Dragomir
Jackofhearts2005
JiwonMeganPark
Long Con
MacDougall
motobot
Myo
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Sloonei
Soneji
Spacedaisy
tedxtr

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