The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry guys, I'm a fail at playing mafia right now and I hate the way I'm playing with the exception of my few hours of activity and analysis on Day 2. There's just too much stuff going on that's more important for me to be able to contribute meaningfully during this phase. I'll have to do one of those drive-by votes that I have consistently hated so much.

Checking the poll, I see Boomslang has a vote already. I haven't read any posts but I want to make it clear that Boomslang is one of my TOP civilian reads. I don't have a real opinion of Nerolunar. So I don't want to vote either of them.

I feel better about Mac and nutella after I expressed beefs with them on Day 2; their responses seemed reasonable and genuine from a tone perspective, so while I won't call them town reads right now I'm not calling for their lynch either.

Dom is also one of my TOP civilian reads. Russ is a civilian read. Not voting them either.

So I'm really stuck in a position here where I have to make a shitty set of votes because I'm not caught up, and I don't feel I can make remotely informed decisions because of that and because I haven't performed any teammate analysis.

I'm voting timmer (again) for reasons previously stated, and I suppose I'll throw a second one on Dunny because I want to call attention to him over the 'main' wagons of yesterday (as I stated during Day 2, again, find my previous posts for elaboration).

I have no idea if any of you have questions or concerns for me; if I live to see Day 4, I'll try to get to them then. Apologies all around. I would replace out probably if Epi actually had a bunch of replacements waiting but as it stands I'm just going to have to continue a lower approach, just hopefully more informed than this.

I am new here, and I've not come close to reading the entire thread, but one thing I would not expect to do with what little I am familiar with is name Russ a top town read. Every post of his that I've seen has caused eyebrows to raise.

Sporadic server troubles are slowing me down a bit, but Rico asked me to take a look at timmer's response to the critique of his votes.

timmer wrote:So I'm not just not going to try to catch up but rather start fresh from here. I'm sorry if my spontaneous vote strategy confused or offended some people, it made sense to Mr at the time. I figured, many of the people holding back votes will be plotters on bad teams, if one of their own is up for lynch. So since I had no idea about anything, I pushed the #2 and #3 guys up to ry to force baddie to get agitated and sloppy. It made sense at the time

I will observe the day's events and vote with my gut when the time for it comes.

This explanation is believable enough, but still not entirely convincing. It seems to me that timmer was placing his trust in the the poll results and just wanted to push them along. But it is hard to look past the fact that he did not choose to place either of his votes on Metalmarsh. And the last sentence seems a bit like nervous over-justification.

timmer wrote:@Rico, I can't help you decide whether my move was a civilian faux -pas or not (I don't really consider it a faux pass anyway). That's for you to mull over, buddy! I explained it as I could

And his follow up response is nothing bit a wifom shrug. I can better understand a timmer suspicion from this angle.

Boomslang wrote:
TheCapsFan wrote:
Caps has dropped the lynch-me attitude completely, watsupwithdat.
Oh, you can still lynch me. I mean, it's better than doing nothing.
So... does this strike anyone else as an admission of guilt? If you were civ, Caps, lynching you would by definition be worse than doing nothing. So if lynching you improves our position, you must be bad. I look forward to your response.

Not an admission of guilt, but certainly a questionable stance.
Hey CapsFan, do you want us to vote for you?

Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I do not think the list of dead players has been fully updated. According to the first page MM is still alive, but everyone else seems to disagree.
No sign of lynch shenanigans, so it's probably the first sentence.
Who are all the dead players and how did they come to be that way?
Wilgy tied with me 5-5 on day 1, where votes piled on us in the last 30 minutes for various random reasons. Wilgy's last post said something to the effect of: "we talked about LoRab in BTSC, MM" throwing some glorious WIFOM before he was lynched. No one was killed on night 1, for some reason. I think the common belief is that there were powers at play, and not inactivity (at least from MM's baddie camp, since we know Mm was active). Though there's really no way to know.

Day 2, MM did a terrible job of defending his votes, and the Wilgy WIFOM was too juicy, so we pitted him with Russ (Dom almost was sent to battle). He was lynched, and was on Wilgy's baddie team.
Last night, SVS and JJJ were killed, so I would assume both teams woke up and killed. JJJ was a big contributor to the thread (I was leaning civ) and makes sense as a kill I guess. SVS had one post detailing she didn't have working Internet. So that was an odd "mercy" kill I suspect.

and now we're here

So two baddies from the same faction have been lynched on the first 2 days? That's... nice. High fives all around.

Ricochet wrote:
Scotty wrote: Actually, this is precisely what Mm would do if he were bad. Mixed in with the "hey guys I'm bad" WIFOM that I've seen him use in orevious games when he was bad, he would point out all his baddie mates if he had a chance just for people like you to go, "oh, he would never do that, it's silly." Well, yes. Silly is MM's MO.

The WIFOM game is exactly how we nabbed MM with Wilgy, why not put all the pieces together and nab TH, the other Yellow Turban, who has been unceremoniously unhelpful this game
UHM

In my head I have not even begun to separate any of the anti-town factions yet. So I do not know what is implied in this UHM. What is implied in this UHM?

LoRab wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I figured I'd have a look at the roster and identify all the Strangers. I've not played with or have very limited experience with the following:
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dunny, unless this is diiny.
Glorfindel (I think we played a heist together a few months ago)
insertnamehere
Jan
leetic
LoRab, name is familiar but I can't recall any past game experience.
rabbit
Simon
CapsFan

That's more than I was expecting.
I think we maybe played together once or twice, but I couldn't tell you what games.

It is possible, I've definitely seen you around here plenty!
Either way, I know nothing about your thoughts on this game so far. Who are your strongest town reads and why?

Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Hey Scotty I am a mindless sheep and you are my shepherd. Tell me who to vote for.
I slept on a sheep's wool blanket last night on the floor. It was the baaahmb.

It seems like you're doing ok just catching up.

Honestly? I'm probably gonna vote for INH and Turnip. But you can vote wherever- that seems to be the hit-button thing to do with people catching up anyway.
I was gonna consider Dom again. There's too many people denouncing the Dom vote where I have to take a step back and go, "what am I missing?" I mean, I'm not usually one to be badgered by the popular opinion and fall in line, but I'm going to try and be more malleable on this point.
Why INH and Turnip Head?
INH I've been callin out for being actively campaigning for a responsibility in day 1, and then after winning the election, disappeared. He then reappeared yesterday briefly apologizing for his absence and saying he was ready to play. And then...nothing. So, ok then.
TH has been skating around me all game. He voted for me on day 1 for reasons that didn't exactly have a rooted reason. I have asked him point blank multiple times whether he thinks I am bad, and he has either ignored it or shrugged it off on purpose. He's been overly unenthusiastic in solving the game from the normal Civ-minded TH I remember and compounded with MM implicating him IMO in the WIFOM guacamole, I think he is one of them yellow turbans

This sounds like town Turnip Head from a couple recent games I've played with him (Arrested Development & Turf Wars).
I'll have a look at these two and judge for myself. Thanks tho

Nerolunar wrote: This post made me vote for BWT:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I hate having to do this, but I haven't caught up at all, I'm more than 10 pages behind, and I've had a really bad cold I've been dealing with for the last few days. I'm going to vote for myself and random another person on the list. I'm hoping with any off day tomorrow that I'll have enough time to read through everything and catch back up. Sorry everyone!
I hate random votes, and what I hate more is self-voting, even in a game like this. Seems like BWT wants to duel another random person and squash the opponent no matter who it is. I don't like it.

I cannot get behind this accusation and I do not understand your logic in making it. It seems that when BWT self-voted, he was the only person voting for himself that day. He wasn't asking to be put into a duel, he was simply trying to avoid doing any accidental or unnecessary damage. His stated reason that he was simply not caught up enough to justify any vote seems more believable to me. Additionally, would he not also want to use his second vote on one of the other players near the top of a bandwagon if this is what he was doing?

I can understand a self-vote in a situation like this one. I am not saying I town-read birdwithteeth because of it, but I do not scum read him for it either.

anyone can answer that question, it's not just for rico.

Ricochet wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I do not think the list of dead players has been fully updated. According to the first page MM is still alive, but everyone else seems to disagree.
No sign of lynch shenanigans, so it's probably the first sentence.

Who are all the dead players and how did they come to be that way?

Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Hey Scotty I am a mindless sheep and you are my shepherd. Tell me who to vote for.
I slept on a sheep's wool blanket last night on the floor. It was the baaahmb.

It seems like you're doing ok just catching up.

Honestly? I'm probably gonna vote for INH and Turnip. But you can vote wherever- that seems to be the hit-button thing to do with people catching up anyway.
I was gonna consider Dom again. There's too many people denouncing the Dom vote where I have to take a step back and go, "what am I missing?" I mean, I'm not usually one to be badgered by the popular opinion and fall in line, but I'm going to try and be more malleable on this point.

Why INH and Turnip Head?

I do not think the list of dead players has been fully updated. According to the first page MM is still alive, but everyone else seems to disagree.

leetic wrote:Hello! I did get very sick for a while, plus I'm not used to games of this size, so I'm sorry for the inactivity. I'm looking over this thread, but if anybody could give me a quick recap that would be cool. Gracias!

What can you tell me about CapsFan as a player?

It feels great to be mafiaing again after having to drop out of that one game last week. I was itching to get back at it ever since. But I also was not expecting to be thrust into a game suddenly tonight, so I've already spent much more time here than I was intending and now it is absolutely pivotal that I go watch Breaking Bad until I fall asleep. I'll be back and full of questions bright and early tomorrow morning, my fellow dynasty warriors.

linki @ quin: tl;dr

nutella wrote:
Sloonei wrote: Could you elaborate more on sorsha's "odd attitude" toward the prefect thing?

These three posts have a sort of sassy/taunting/dismissive tone when asked why she wants prefects to duel

Solid observation. I look forward to sorsha's response.

I looked at timmer's posts. I find this series of posts to be at least somewhat believable:

timmer wrote:I'm not understanding this game yet. I'll get into it soon though.

timmer wrote:I'm so lost.

timmer wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
timmer wrote:I'm so lost.
What is troubling you timmer-san... mechanics or suspicions?
Mechanics and the sheer volume of the game. I don't know how to follow such a wordy game. But I'll get engaged soon I just need a day of.

I know the feeling of being helplessly behind in a game. It can be daunting and frustrating. However this is not something that I'd categorize as being alignment-indicative, so I'll reserve judgment either way until more things have happened.
Hi timmer, I am no more caught up on things than you are. I've only just got here and read <10% of the thread. Tell me what you think of nutella's analysis of you in this post?

Hey Scotty I am a mindless sheep and you are my shepherd. Tell me who to vote for.

@quin, my bad I quoted the wrong post.

Quin wrote:And while we're talking about this, I want to humor our dear night messenger dude and discuss the possibility of him being saved.

The Russ train gained quite a lot of speed at the last minute. I'm not very good at interpreting that thing Rico posted earlier, but if someone could give some insight it'd be appreciated.

What things are you referencing here?

nutella wrote:The weird thing about Russ is that he was around a little bit on day 2, but didn't really defend himself despite being on the dueling block. He just barely responded to JJJ's points about him, but basically nothing since. There was also this lynch reaction that a handful of people (myself included) didn't like. I really don't know what to think of him at this point tbh. The things that JJJ pointed out were never particularly incriminating IMO, but his style has been weird and, as I said of MM, rather cavalier Did he give up on defending himself from the bandwagon? Was he quite confident that he was going to win the duel, and just not bother getting worried?

Since I started writing this post he's made another check-in post that's really no more than that, and he says he'll probably "more-or-less random" vote today due to not catching up. I'm kinda feeling worse and worse about his style/participation here -- in fact it's pretty much the same feeling I got from MM. Russ is climbing back up toward the top of my list for today.

Timmer has very few posts of substance -- like many others he couldn't keep up with the thread, but his drive-by vote was pretty suspicious. He's defended it twice and seems to think it was a perfectly fine thing for a civ to do. I'm rather inclined to disagree, but I suppose I could see him feeling genuinely ok about it. But the fact that he voted for the two runner-ups to MM is very suspicious. Especially looking at where he voted on Rico's handy chart -- MM was in the lead but Dom and Russ were pretty close behind, and Timmer brought them even closer. Doesn't look good. I may very well vote for him again today.

Sorsha has popped in a few times and not caught up/participated in the thread discussion much but she has brought in her own unique perspective on some random stuff. Like she wanted to go after the prefects and thought they might be more likely to have teammates, which is actually not an unreasonable point, but her attitude when asked about it was a little odd. When asked about the main candidates on day 2 she said she didn't suspect Dom, wasn't sure about Russ, but "would be ok with an MM vote" but then she voted for herself and INH. Tbh that strikes me as the kind of thing a teammate might do -- saying she's ok with that bandwagon but not actually joining it -- but the fact that she voted for herself and another non-vote-getter is a less suspicious way to uninformedly vote than timmer's.

DF seems to me like his usual self, and has been completely reasonable in his back and forth with Dom. I think he's good.

I see what you mean RE: Russ, I've looked over a couple of his posts and he seems to just be faintly here.

I've not looked at anything posted by timmer or sorsha yet. I can say that the one time I played with timmer before he was my strongest town read in the game right off the bat, so if that's not the case this time he must be scum. I'll have to have a look.

Could you elaborate more on sorsha's "odd attitude" toward the prefect thing?

TheCapsFan wrote:Agh, didn't see your reads, DDL. Ignore the above post. Even so, I'm not sure I'd vote this early in a phase, especially when your vote can't be changed...

How and when will you be voting? TALK TO ME CAPS FAN!

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@Quin: You just named Dom as your top suspect while also expressing a "hard ping" on CapsFan. So what do you make of this post, if anything?
TheCapsFan wrote:As annoying as he may post, Dom seems pretty town as well.
I don't make anything out of it that I wouldn't to another person. The stronger I feel about Dom the more people seem to civ read him. I don't know if I'm supposed to be missing something but I feel like meta is beating out in-thread evidence. What do you think about Dom?

What things are you referencing here? How would you rate Moonrise Kingdom?

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@Quin: You just named Dom as your top suspect while also expressing a "hard ping" on CapsFan. So what do you make of this post, if anything?
TheCapsFan wrote:As annoying as he may post, Dom seems pretty town as well.
I don't make anything out of it that I wouldn't to another person. The stronger I feel about Dom the more people seem to civ read him. I don't know if I'm supposed to be missing something but I feel like meta is beating out in-thread evidence. What do you think about Dom?

I think he is adept at acting like Donald Trump and I'd like to better understand his votes thus far.

I figured I'd have a look at the roster and identify all the Strangers. I've not played with or have very limited experience with the following:
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dunny, unless this is diiny.
Glorfindel (I think we played a heist together a few months ago)
insertnamehere
Jan
leetic
LoRab, name is familiar but I can't recall any past game experience.
rabbit
Simon
CapsFan

That's more than I was expecting.

@Quin: You just named Dom as your top suspect while also expressing a "hard ping" on CapsFan. So what do you make of this post, if anything?

TheCapsFan wrote:As annoying as he may post, Dom seems pretty town as well.

TheCapsFan wrote:
leetic wrote:Voted for my fellow Bulbagardener as well as INH from my first game on this site.
I'm touched <3 I had no idea you were going to vote for me, otherwise I would have done the same :P

Also according to the official definition of prefect (courtesy of Turnip Head) leetic and I fit the bill perfectly, as we are both moderators of Bulbagarden.

I see CapsFan and leetic are visitors from another site. Hello, welcome, I hope you're settling in nicely! What can you guys tell me about each other?

Also, CapsFan, you mentioned in your first post that you've played with JJJ before. Is there anyone else in there who you're familiar with?

Hi nutella! I think this is the post you are referencing:

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote:Inactives/low posters:
Rabbit has not shown up at all.

Soneji has not shown up at all.

Dunny has not posted since day 1. Perhaps he has forgotten about the game.

leetic only has one post from day 0. Has probably completely forgotten about the game.

DP has a total of 2 posts, one of which is a nothing and the other stating his d2 vote (not even giving reasoning). He's normally very quiet but this is pretty egregious.

TheCapsFan posted a few times on D0, but missed both d1 and d2 with just a couple check-in posts, plus the weird one today.

Niju is also quite inactive with just one D0 post and one post this Monday about how busy she is/hadn't caught up.

Bullzeye popped in briefly on both day 1 and day 2 to make uninformed votes and state that he hadn't been able to catch up.

Spacedaisy likewise; is confirmed very busy irl and voted on day 2 for self voters but has not caught up at all.

BWT has likewise admitted inability to keep up with the game.

Simon has a few posts from d0 and d2 but overall hasn't participated much.

Elohcin has similarly had trouble keeping up with the game, but I'm fairly satisfied with her Day 2 effort/participation/vote.

...That's really quite a lot. I wonder if anyone would be available to replace in for at least a couple of these people.

Players with 10-15 posts include DF, Timmer, Nerolunar, Boomslang, Russ, and Sorsha. Typical for DF, and I think he's participated a normal amount for him (mostly his back and forth with Dom). Sorsha also tends to be pretty quiet, but I would like a bit more substance from her. Timmer and Russ have been popular suspects/lynch candidates and aren't doing much about it. Nero and Boom, well, they're on DDL's list so I'll be looking into them but they've both been quite under the radar.

On to DDL's list.

Boomslang: Discussed duel mechanics/strats on d0, was away for most of d1, participated a little on d2 voting for MM and Jan. I feel pretty ok/neutral about him.

Bullzeye: see above. doesn't seem much like him to be this inactive, but idk if it's alignment indicative

Dragon D. Luffy: 3rd highest poster (2nd not counting the dead), I don't really feel like reading his whole ISO but overall I have a pretty strong civ read of him.

Elohcin: again see above. pretty inactive but I feel like she's ok alignment-wise.

Nerolunar: Kind of like DF, his participation has been low but fairly regular and decent. The only thing that gives me pause is that he voted for BWT and Timmer on D2, staying far away from the MM/Russ/Dom contest. Seems like maybe he hadn't been caught up but it would be nice to know if he had thoughts on any of that.

Quin: one of the highest posters, but that doesn't mean he hasn't blended in to some extent. I feel pretty good about him though.

OK, this isn't much but I'm gonna go ahead and post it, and then go back to the few mid-low posters that I haven't ISOed yet -- Russ, Timmer, Sorsha, and DF. After that I'm thinking I might ISO TH because a lot of people, me included, have been citing a sort of bizarre, supernatural, inexplicable odor of "something's not quite right" emanating from the general direction of the turnip.

Have you looked at those "mid-low" posters yet? Would you like to vote for any of them? What do you think of Bubbles' replacement so far?

Quin wrote:
TheCapsFan wrote:I would be comfortable being voted for.
Catching up a little. I don't like this.

Why not? Who you gonna vote for today?

In my bits of backtracking I've seen a bit of talk about how to handle the whole two vote thing. I'm almost certainly just going to use my two votes to vote for people I think are suspicious, but if there are alternative strategies out there lay them on me.

Dom wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Alright I don't have anything to add myself so I'm gonna make a proposition to you all.

Talk about the following people:

Boomslang
Bullzeye
Dragon D. Luffy
Elohcin
Nerolunar
Quin

All those are players with 5 or more posts, which posted on day 2 or later, and yet nobody seems to be talking about them.

Yes I included myself. I fit the above criteria so it's only fair. And it feels awkward when nobody wants me dead, I don't like it. Talk about me more please.

Don't have an opinion on them? Well it's a great time to ISO them. Go.
I'll GTH them. I'll humor the haters.
Boomslang - civ
Bullzeye - civ
DDL - civ
Elohcin - bad
Nerolunar - civ
Quin - civ

Elaborate on these reads, Mr. Dom. I think I see you being a vocal opponent of Scotty throughout the thread, and I also think I saw you vote for sig and DFaraday yesterday (correct me if I am wrong). Can you give me, a newcomer who's read very little, a concise version of any or all of these reads? please and thank you.

TheCapsFan wrote:As annoying as he may post, Dom seems pretty town as well.

What makes you say this?

Votes are not changeable, my world is in shambles.

Russtifinko wrote:Hey, I'm not dead! No thanks to a lot of you.

Good that we nailed a baddie yesterday, though, regardless. Glad I could help in that respect.

RIP S~V~S and JJJ.

You guys are posting a LOT....I might more or less random my votes this Day.

Hey way to go, you really nailed that bad guy. Tell me what you did and why you deserve these kudos.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Who's ready to be... romanced?
ugh. why?

I'm feeling sensual.

Golden wrote:Sloonster!

If only you could have had time for this a week ago.

This one seems to be moving at <500 posts per day, that is a big plus for me.

Who's ready to be... romanced?

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