I guess I might as well start with boo since we're talking around him and he's first on the list anyway.
boo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:36 pm
Okay. Caught up.
Some off-topic-ish acculturation rants to start:
1) I dislike that vote-changing is so popular now. Keeping track of shit is a headache. Seeing someone call a vote, wanting to look at it more for the why, only to get further and they've changed it again (and again, and maybe again). Grr.
2) I dislike how much people are now willing to openly call townreads on people. On day fucking 1. WIFOM on WIFOM on WIFOM. It feels so calculated and head-spinning for me.
So those are both things that threw me off in Inception as well and I'm already chewing through here. It feels even more heightened in this game because I didn't replace in just to immediately get killed.
I disagree with these gripes (obviously), but I don't think the philosophy is indicative of alignment. I am noting it here just to frame the rest of his iso as I move into it. As I stressed in my goofy exchange with nutella, boo is not a player I'm very familiar with despite both of us being longtime members here. We haven't overlapped much as players. This post serves as my introduction to boo's approach to the game of mafia.
boo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:51 pm
It was discussed and dropped pretty quickly, but my 2 cents on the games breakdown:
There is 1 mafia team. It's the Barksdale Crew. 3 or 4 members. Roles: Avon, Stringer, and Wee-bay. In a game with as many roles as this one had cut, I'm gonna call it just those 3, but a 4th wouldn't surprise me a ton.
Independents... I'm going to say there are 2 in the game as is.
It would be the highest of all crimes for there to be no Omar. I'd imagine that to be a mostly civ-friendly, needs all mafia dead type of role.
To balance that out, I'd assume there's a more mafia-friendly indie as well. Lots of characters that would fit there. With the cuts made, maybe just needs certain other characters dead to win, and can win with mafia alive.
That would leave 13 civs.
Seems about right.
If I put my scum-colored glasses on, boo's quibble over the scum team size here could be a bit of WIFOM. "Look at me trying to figure out the size of the scum team, clearly I'm not one of them. Natural poe-lease." I'm not sure I believe in that though.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:47 pm
boo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:36 pm
Okay. Caught up.
Some off-topic-ish acculturation rants to start:
1) I dislike that vote-changing is so popular now. Keeping track of shit is a headache. Seeing someone call a vote, wanting to look at it more for the why, only to get further and they've changed it again (and again, and maybe again). Grr.
2) I dislike how much people are now willing to openly call townreads on people. On day fucking 1. WIFOM on WIFOM on WIFOM. It feels so calculated and head-spinning for me.
So those are both things that threw me off in Inception as well and I'm already chewing through here. It feels even more heightened in this game because I didn't replace in just to immediately get killed.
Who specifically is doing calculated things in bulletpoint 2?
Oh, I have no idea for this one. To me, at this stage in the game, almost everyone who makes open townreads gets that reaction (my lone exception would be if someone you trust is in danger of getting lynched, you're better off discussing why they shouldn't be than just letting it happen. But even that, I think, is better accomplished by finding a better lynch target than a straight up defense of someone else). But when it's a common way of playing, that is useless to me in forming suspicions.
This is
interesting. Jack asks boo to follow up on what seems like it could (perhaps should) be stretched into an accusation against specific players, but boo walks it back. I don't love that. Good question by Jack.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:42 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:33 am
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:27 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:12 am
Chaos definitely helps town more than it helps mafia.
I do not agree.
Chaos is unstable. It can’t be planned for or calculated. It forces people to react in immediate ways with pressure in them. In such situations, a member of the mafia team is more likely to slip up than in a situation that they can control or anticipate.
Part of it is also about trusting your fellow civilians, which is also a big part of the philosophy behind declaring town reads.
True. But chaos can be fought with chaos. And seeding "chaos" that is carefully done can be planned by mafia. Inception had an atrocious mafia-team start as a result of civ-friendly chaos, but they turned it around (from my perspective) by getting the chaos back to their advantage.
As is probably evident by everything else I've said, my philosophy is to keep trust to a minimum. I do not know who my fellow civilians are, so I cannot trust them, because if I place my trust incorrectly, that becomes a mafia advantage. Give out trust far more sparingly, you get burned far less.
I think this bottom paragraph has shined through in boo's posts, to his credit. I'll see if that view holds as I continue through this ISO.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:49 am
Her fence sitting would feel a lot more in her baddie-meta than her civ-meta, to me Dom. I'm curious for her to weigh in on it herself now though.
This may be an outdated meta, much like he admitted his Dom meta was outdated yesterday. I don't know what to make of that. I guess I don't fault a player for referring to their past history with other players, even if that past is ancient.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:09 pm
Oh. I was going to park a vote on DDL after reading over a few people at random because he felt very empty and safe to me, but he already has 2 votes and I didn't read either of those people, so I'll at least do that first then.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:11 pm
Oh gross, not doing that then. Don't want to vote with Dunya.
An implied suspicion of dunya on Day 1. Why does this exist?
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:12 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:11 pm
Oh gross, not doing that then. Don't want to vote with Dunya.
Gross? Why??
The same reasons I'd vote for DDL are truer of dunya than they are DDL, so. Just doesn't work for me now.
I see. This is an interesting progression. Boo suggested he could vote for a player (DDL), but first he wanted to check the other players already voting for them. He then decided that one of those other players (dunya) was also bad, thus cancelling his desire to vote for DDL. This feels like it would be a convoluted scheme to accomplish very little if he's bad. He does not stand to gain much, if anything at all, by suggesting the idea of a DDL vote, only to cancel it out with a dunya suspicion. It looks much more like a simple natural progression. Good look for boo.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:18 pm
Although my preference when I'm not voting blind is to vote somewhere it's likely to matter. DDL would've been to park a vote somewhere for the time being that I'd likely change before the end. dunya is a spot I can see myself leaving the vote if it might have an impact. So I'd rather chew it over more before making that decision.
This also aligns with his previously-stated philosophy about votes.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:40 pm
Sadly few people making their themselves apparent. We won't win with townies not towning.
Everyone reply to this question please.
If you had a vig to use right now who do you use it on and why?
Jay, in part to put him out of his misery
So, other than:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:46 am
gonna be useless for a while, gang. I said as much, but there's no way for me to be doing this right now.
From JJJ, he didn't say much about being needed to be put out of his misery.
And Colin doesn't strike me as someone who pays exceptionally close attention to the thread as a whole, so that he references that (and even answers the question) seems like it has a decent possibility of being prompted by BTSC.
I'm gonna
[VOTE:
ColinIsCool] aubergine.
I forgot this theory originated with boo. I don't dislike it. It's convoluted in the sense that I struggle to envision a bad guy just making this up on the spot. It is easier to read this as a genuine suspicion. The best I could do to argue against boo here would be to say that Colin is his partner, and they conspired to use this tactic to create some distance between themselves. I find that unlikely. Townie point for boo.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:41 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:38 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:58 pm
And Colin doesn't strike me as someone who pays exceptionally close attention to the thread as a whole, so that he references that (and even answers the question) seems like it has a decent possibility of being prompted by BTSC.
I'm gonna
[VOTE:
ColinIsCool] aubergine.
that's a very broad and bold statement to make about colin, and one i don't like tbh. he read enough to give his 2 cents on the nutella/speedchuck episode, and jay's post was literally the first one which illustrates his lack of interest in the game. not far fetched that colin saw it and saw the tone at all.
reaching case, especially to imply that colin came in and blurted tmi from jay who would be complaining in scum chat (jay doesn't do that).
if i didn't have nutella in light green, on my very nice rainbow READS, i would vote her for liking this poop.
I didn't imply JJJ was in the BTSC with Colin
I'm inclined to look favorably on this post as well. dunya responds with a fairly lengthy challenge. boo stands his ground and bluntly refutes the premise of her challenge. He knows what he's about and isn't letting no one push him around.
At this point I've developed a fairly clear town read on boo. I see an earnest thought process reflected in these posts. He's making things happen and expressing his reads. I'll keep going, but if this trend continues I'll wipe my hands and move on to somebody else.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:56 pm
Hmm,
[VOTE:
Drago] aubergine to see what that does real quick.
I am still unclear on what motivated this vote outside of a desire to "make it count". In
this post he indicates that "Dom reads bad" to him, though it's possible that's a general statement about Dom as a player, not specific to this game. He has also raised the Colin suspicion again when I asked, but I rejected it because it seemed to hinge on me being bad as well. That train never gained momentum. But boo didn't really push it all that hard either.
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:58 pm
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:56 pm
Hmm,
[VOTE:
Drago] aubergine to see what that does real quick.
How does it feel?
Meh, I'll give it another minute to see if it shakes anyone out of hiding.
Still unsure what to do with it. I can see town boo making these posts. I'm just unclear on what motivated them right now.
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:59 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:40 am
boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:56 pm
Hmm,
[VOTE:
Drago] aubergine to see what that does real quick.
This vote is so bad I wanna confiscate the tinfoil hat from your avatar.
Yea, I didn't like making it much, but I expected... something to happen. LA following the vote to cause the tie I figured, but then I thought someone would break and change it to 6-4 and I wanted to see who that would be. Since that didn't happen, I think I'm back to looking at Sloonei when D2 starts. Depends on how the night goes though.
This sheds some light, but I'm still not very satisfied. I don't see the progression of thoughts, and I'm still not seeing the motivation to vote for Drago specifically. Has boo done anything to work through the results of this vote?
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:51 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:43 pm
I feel worse about nutella today too. So much changes after 3 dead town.
Like you immediately somehow feeling better about Sloonei? You're wrong to have changed your mind on that, imo. If @Zemmi actually shows up I'll be happy cause then I can move from her to Sloonei.
I remain unclear on why my name is coming up here.
I also note that boo is not following up on the Colin suspicion from yesterday, though to be fair I'd forgotten Colin was even playing.
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:52 pm
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:49 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:41 pm
boo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:40 pm
Because I'm not mafia, so what I would do if I were as it relates to him is not actually relevant.
Why is nanook town?
I don't know that he is. But he's around, and inactives are my only policy lynch of choice even though I dislike his type of playstyle, and I wasn't convinced LC really believed his justification for trying to lynch Dom, and he's a tricky bastard, so the only chance of getting him lynched is to put it out there early to get people to take a real look.
What makes you doubt LC’s sincerity about Dom?
In my ISO from yesterday.
I still didn't see this. Or if I did, I didn't interpret it this way. [mention]boo[/mention] where did you say this?
boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:40 am
[VOTE:
sloonei] aubergine since apparently people think Zemmi people seem to think will get replaced. But if not and she doesn't show up before EoD I still think we should ynch her.
Here's his vote for me. I'm still not sure why it exists.
boo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:37 pm
I didn't vote for you because you voted for me Sloonei. I was talking about lynching you during N1 and it was even on my mind D1. You just happened to vote for me in the first ten seconds of the day. And I think you know all of that. You've been around a lot, but have also continuously played dumb, acting like you don't know what's going on. I don't buy it. Not even a little bit.
Hmmm.
I like Day 1 boo a lot better than Day 2 boo. On Day 1 he was very clear, his thought process was visible and seemed to have a clear direction to it. I can't say the same for Day 2 boo. I'm still inclined to town read him overall, but I need him to start substantiating the reads that exist today.
Why am I suspicious? Why is LC is suspicious? Is Colin still suspicious?
tl;dr: Slight town read with a few reservations. Need clarification on things.
Gun to your head, is Tony town or scum?
