The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:31 am By the way, I've noticed that many of you use "bad" for mafia, hope my definition of mafia (scum) won't make anyone offended or something, it's just the culture on my site. I'll use wolf from now on, I'm liking it better.

Nah, you’re good. I use terms interchangeably without a second thought. Bad and scum are just words to identify alignment, it’s all groovy.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:27 am You're the only one that knows you're town. My head is pretty made up, from your PoV, there should be more scum in my town pool, maybe even two of them. Who are they?

I will provide an answer to this when I have one. But I’m not going to force it or pretend to have reads that I do not. You may be right about Okosan. You may not. I’ll look at your town reads now.

But you need to reconsider as well. It should not be squarely on me to change your mind: you should be actively reconsidering things as well. We both should be doing better here.

For instance: part of your case hinges on the fact that I “singled out” Okosan’s vote for me. That’s not even true, but it looks that way because Okosan was one of only two players voting for me at the time. The other was Tony, and look at this. We talked about Okosan more because he responded and so did you. I also cared more about his vote, because Tony’s was apparently half-serious and not based on anything happening in this game. That’s whatever. Okosan, like you, misinterpreted my actions. I’ll repeat myself: I thought his mindset about how to catch monokuma was genuine, but that does not mean his vote for me was accurate. We already know this to be indisputable.

Part of my goal in those exchanges with Okosan was also to develop a read on him. That’s how I do things.

Also I would never ever be so lazy and blatant in communicating with my secret partner in the thread. This is not my first rodeo. I’m never going to play the game the way your case would require me to.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:52 am Sloonei, that’s literally what I asked from you but you just antagonized me. You and Sloonei.

I wanted to sort you, I asked for your reads, you engaging with Okosan would’ve helped me sort the both of you, but you flat out refused to do so, it’s not my fault. I want to cooperate and stuff.

I am telling you, there’s at least 1 town in that PoE, I’m aware of it, maybe even two. I want to shrink it so that it’s more accurate and I can hit the scum faster, but if you’ll do nothing to change my opinion on your slots, I can’t help any of you.

I didn’t ever try to antagonize you. I was simply responding to the points that you were making about me. All of the were wrong. I don’t say that antagonistically, I say it factually. Every assumption that you’ve made about me has simply been incorrect. I don’t know how else to phrase that. That’s all there is to it. Again, I am not talking about your POE. I’m talking about the read that exists on me. Maybe it’s because you’re bad and you want to distract us all with this big case of yours. Gun to my head I’d say that’s not the case: this all feels too organic to be a deceptive trick.
Please try to entertain the idea that I am town. I think Okosan is too, but I’m not going to die on that hill. What do we do then?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 9:02 am Okosan is the first wolf and Sloonei is the second one.

I have a big ass case that I'm afraid to submit in case I'm wrong on this theory and it would be embarrassing.

However, if I'm right, it could be the greatest thing I've ever come up with in history.

You are not correct, my dude. Please, for the sake of this game, look elsewhere.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:48 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:56 pm Note : This will be my town casing of people and my personal PoE. Also, some of you might notice a pattern where I read people based on their posting on day 2. I have intended that, as I see Day 0 and Day 1 a waste to read people. All this analysis was made under the presumption that there was no real mafia on day 0 and day 1 and so, it would be a waste to sort there.


Long Con :

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Apart from all the derp clears, his #476 is something that I really like. It's an angle of pushing that I find townie, because it stems from paranoia, which is a sign of not knowing sloonei's alignment, therefore, not TMI towards Sloonei being town. I think it would be odd for a mafia to just choose this pushing angle, I think they'd focus on other stuff. Also, in context, this way of pushing was really going with the thread, as it was stale and there wasn't too much to go based off of, so it doesn't really read to me as if he's really trying to stand out and look townie. He's more concerned over Sloonei being a potential conversion and a threat to town than he is about himself and how he's going to look after that.

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Trustworthy Liberal :

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Ok, I know this read is going to not have great stocks or anything, but just based on how TL thinks and is posting in this game, I want to lean town. Last time I played with him as scum, his tone was all weird, and he essentially busy posted his way until EoD, at which point I decided to switch on him and lynch him, because I had a solid town core and he wasn't really spicy or anything. Mental note for me, I'm fine clearing TL here, but if I ever would need to re-assess something, this would probably be one of those places. Shouldn't be an issue, if I see something scummy about him, I'll probably change my mind on him regardless. He just seems town here. I don't think I need to stress this, I am of the opinion that other people town read him as well.

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Rej :

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I feel like if Rej is a mafia, he slipped the fact that there was already a converted fellow to begin with (post #512 - "his fellas")

I like how Rej is switching between trying to genuine scum hunt and mechanical talk, it reads like he's taking his time solving the puzzle and trying to fit the pieces at his own pace, if that makes sense. I feel like Rej would probably be self-pressured into over-sharing his thoughts, but he's rather chill here.

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TSP :

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Town lean, mainly because of the PM thing.

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Jackofhearts :

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Same. He would also never have pushed the bear there.

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Turnip Head :

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I like his progression on Okosan. It started off with Turnip Head randomly acknowledging the fact that Okosan went really quiet all of a sudden, which was weird given his posting on the previous days. He kind of brushed it off and then when he saw my case, he also pushed the idea of a possible Okosan scum world. This gives me a feeling that, he felt that his gut feeling was finally backed by a case justifying that gut feeling, and therefore validating it. I feel like scum!TH would've waited a lot more and not post right after I go at Okosan there. This might be a bit biased read, it's combined with how relaxed TH has been and I'll take Jack's roleplaying read off TH as legit, even though I don't really wanna put much stock in, but I could see it being a thing.

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p-edit (i believe you call it linki here?) - I see, that's reasonable. It adds up with your thought that he's town, I'd take it you would suspect if new people advocated against your lynch here. However, his vote was placed purely based on how he would think Monokuma would handle EoD, it didn't have to do anything with your play style there. Curious. What made you feel like he voted you based on him not knowing you?

Noted. I will take this in and have things to say tomorrow.

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] if I could make a suggestion: I think Fayt and I are feeling the same sense of frustration right now. You are dangling the threat of suspicion over our heads and telling us to prove you wrong, but at the same time you’re disavowing the idea that you have a substantial suspicion (at least against me) and waving your hands at everyone else to say that they’re all town.

It feels like you want us to solve a problem that you made for us. I would much rather foster a cooperative environment where you and I (and you and [mention]Fayt[/mention]) are working together to talk about the specifics of our reads and our ideas about the game.

With that, I need to be asleep.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:28 am I did scum read you as well, that kind of weighs in a bit, yes. But then I re-read and still found other people to be townier than you.

I’ve essentially put you , fayt, sig and okosan in a cage fight. I’m already wanting to clear sig for some reason. My real thoughts are that it’s one in between you and Fayt to be honest, even though Okosan still isn’t being way too townie.

Care to list the reasons why you town read all of these people?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:34 am I don’t get why you’re so pissed. It’s just a game.

You haven’t posted in like 6 day phases if we’re counting the nights. It’s as if I should be town reading you for not playing.

I’m getting some amount of satisfaction out of this though, glad that when someone is pointing fingers at you, you slowly up your posting, in increments. Delightful.

A post like this only seems to encourage more antagonistic behavior.

I do not struggle to understand how Process of Elimination or town hunting work. I do both of those things. I know what I’m doing here and I know how mafia works.

But you have expressed reasons for reading me one way or another. We had a conversation about it and you left because you felt antagonized. That is what I am referring to here, all of that stuff. Because everything I saw you say about me was completely off (again, nobody’s fault. You don’t know me and I don’t know you.), and I’ve been trying to engage you on that, because that’s all I’ve really got the capacity to deal with right now. But I’m going to sleep in a moment, so whatever.

But also this setup, of all setups, should require you to re-examine your town core day to day. Players are getting recruited.

I’m also not about to launch into a full ISO case-building exercise because it’s 4 AM and I’m posting on my phone.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:09 am I mean it’s true though. That type of thinking will tell the other town that they’re more than fine just low efforting, and if you want to game throw a game after you lynched a cultie leader, that’s the type of mentality you’d want to advocate for.

I was hoping to inspire the exact opposite response to that. This game requires us to work. I have not been working because it looks hard and i’ve been mafia lazy.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 5:07 am I’m glad I’ve inspired you to play. I hope you can change my mind if you’re really town.

11th time, I town read the other players more than you, so, you’re just left out in the open. :P

You town read literally every player in the game more than me? And you don’t actually suspect me? And you’re accusing me of sowing paranoia for being discouraged by the recruitment mechanic?

What is happening right now? You have definitely expressed reasons for reading me a certain way. I remember them. I remember responding to them and being confused by them.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:53 am Trustworthy, don’t think like Sloonei. He’s basing his lack of commitment and lack of reads based on the fact that conversions are a given. Which they’re not, afawk, Monokuma is being roleblocked constantly.

Scum thrive on paranoia and on this type of thinking. “Well my town reads are gonna be converted so why bother solving?” Why bother playing the game at all.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:51 am If you want me to town read you, discuss why the people that i town read shouldn’t be my town reads. Simple.

You lynching in them without giving an opinion doesn’t help your case, especially when they flip town, as I’ve predicted.

What does the last line mean? We just lynched the player I actively did not want to lynch and he actuallt flipped town. Why should your prediction of a flip hold more weight than an actual flip? Especially from my perspective right now.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:49 am I don’t town read people based on whether they’ve down well enough, you’re straw manning.

There’s just nothing going on for you. Random votes, no attempt at reading someone. You lynched in my town reads without addressing it at all. Okosan addressed why he thinks I’m wrong on Jack at the very least.

There’s no thought process for me to analyze here.

It’s the 10th time I’m telling you that you aren’t even a scum read / I don’t scum read you, I just town read other people better than you. Stop straw manning that as well.

You’re literally in a box. You not doing anything to get out of it or discuss why other people should be in the box instead of you still keeps you in the box.

I’m in your POE. I interpret that as a suspicion.

I do not believe that I m straw manning you. I have directed zero accusations at you. I town read you. I am just warning you that you are misreading me entirely. We have not played together before. This is understandable. I say these things to attempt to engage you and move us both past the read that exists on me. I would like to talk about it, but I genuinely do not understand your points. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about my play that are not true. I’ve expressed this several times, and you have done nothing to address it and only marched on further with the misinterpretations or abject falsehoods. I do not deny that I may not be the most respondent person to your case so far. But I feel the same way about you right now. Let’s fix that.

I don’t give a shit if I voted in your town reads and I’ve definitely expressed, or at least indicated, why Jack was not a desirable lynch. I followed him on DDL yesterday; jack was the entire reason I voted for him. I believe that everything about Day 2 indicated that Jack and DDL were not on the same team. Thus I was opposed to his lynch.

I had a very slight mechanical hunch that compelled me to vote for Rej. I do not wish to say anything more than that, and it’s nothing more than a hunch anyway. I would not bet on it and I voted mostly for the sake of not lynching Jack and because Okosan, a player I trust and have expressed a town read on several times, as you’ve noted and disagreed with, was also voting there.

I am not casting random votes. Ask anybody on this website and they will tell you that I move my votes around constantly. I have reasons, and they’re not always related to direct suspicion of a player. It’s just part of how I play and it should not indicate much about my alignment.

I will grant you that my posts so far lack a clear direction. That’s because I’ve been half engaged. But you’ve inspired me to play, at least for the moment. Thanks.

One point that has been disheartening me and keeping me from diving fully into this game is that we can’t trust our reads from day to day. My top civilian read on Day 2 needs to go out the window on Day 3, because it’s possible that player will have been recruited.

I have not fully engaged with this game yet because I’ve been uncertain of just what I’m supposed to be doing (and also because other things in life are distracting me), but if y’all are gonna dangle the threat of a misguided lynch over my head then my pride’s gonna force me to go all in.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:35 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:27 am We’re gonna end up in Lylo and Sloonei will still be alive

:notlikethis:

My question is if there even is Lylo based off assumtions I've made their isn't one.

Because if you think about monokuma can miss recruits right?
Example he chooses Aoi and Aoi is already dead.
This would mean that we could have less mafia then we expect. Unless there is something hidden in those goshdam Monokuma Secrets.

Why are you accepting tedxters POE?

It makes sense and i trust them?
I am planning to look over the game once more in the morning currently past midnight and don't think i would get the most out of rereading right now.

But trusting tedexter right now makes me trust their reads

That is not unfair. Why do you trust him?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:35 am

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:33 am Why are you town? Quote some posts that you think are indicative of your alignment

This is not how I desire to approach the game.

(Fixxed)
Then how do you wish to do so?

By attempting to solve the game on my own terms without other players dictating whether or not I have done well enough. I don’t believe that asking me to tell you why I am a civilian is going to result in much: I’ll state my case, but you (general You, not individual you) will have already formed a judgment and that will influence whether or not you care or believe in what I have to say. If I am already a suspect, then “explaining why I’m a civilian” will just be a quicksand trap. It’s a lose-lose.

Alternatively, I can continue to play the game honestly and, hopefully, present reads that help us all to figure things out, move us closer to solving the total puzzle, and help to reveal me as town. I am also willing to address particular points about my game thus far, if there are any questions or issues that I can clear up. But I need to be addressing something specific or it’s a waste of everyone’s time.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:34 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:27 am We’re gonna end up in Lylo and Sloonei will still be alive

:notlikethis:

My question is if there even is Lylo based off assumtions I've made their isn't one.

Because if you think about monokuma can miss recruits right?
Example he chooses Aoi and Aoi is already dead.
This would mean that we could have less mafia then we expect. Unless there is something hidden in those goshdam Monokuma Secrets.

Why are you accepting tedxters POE?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:33 am Why are you town? Quote some posts that you think are indicative of your alignment

This is not how I desire to approach the game.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:27 am We’re gonna end up in Lylo and Sloonei will still be alive

:notlikethis:

Every aspect of your read on me is mistaken.

I should be in nobody’s POE.

Certified Lame. We just lynched a player with a tinfoil noose.

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:54 pm I was stuck in playing Legends of Runeterra a new game and so I forgot about everything...but I can guarantee I am town

Sounds an awful lot like you were at a Magic tournament.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:49 pm When does this 9hase actually end

A half hour ago, I think.

Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:26 pm Cooo! (Okoan's going to finally re-evaluate you tonight Sloonei so you better not be trying to pocket Okosan)

......Coo (Unless you're actually scum then please continue to do what you want just don't kill Okosan please)

I am just directionless and choosing to trust your voice.

[VOTE: rej] aubergine again. Flocking to the pigeon.

I think I’d be dead if Tony was bad, honestly.

Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:10 pm COO! (Okosan also personally think Sig is fine for today. As someone to keep alive not fine to lynch to clarify)

Who does okosan think should be be lynched?

Creature’s lack of posts reflect more of a civilian who doesn’t know how to approach this weird setup/doesn’t feel like putting in the effort yet. I imagine if he was recruited on night 1 or 2 he’d be more engaged.

Okosan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:49 pm Coooooooo? (So question to people who know them, does Creature have a tendency to not post a lot in games?)

No. But kind of? Sometimes he’ll flood the game with posts. Other times he’ll just sit around and chirp about things occasionally like he’s doing here.

Never mind, creature looks like a disheartened civilian. Let’s vote for sig instead. Again, no reason.

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

For like no reason

Jack currently leads with a whopping 2 votes, but he is on my Do Not Lynch list.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 6:03 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:11 pm Are we all operating under the assumption that 2 nights = 2 recruitments = 2 mafia + mean bear?

Assuming mafia is mafia yea. I'd also say if we assume mafia is mafia then Bearo can recruit a certain amount of people and they probably need to be dead before we can lynch Bearo.

Yeah I’ve been wondering if there’s a cap on recruitment.

But it’s also theoretically possible that one new recruit could kill an older recruit at some point.

None of this helps is catch scum today.

Agreed theory discussion is all well and good, but end of the day it isn't the most important thing to discuss right now.

Sooooooo thoughts?

My thoughts are that I haven’t adequately put the work in to identify an anti-town player with much confidence, but I’ve been around enough to be able to identify players that I would not lynch.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 5:11 pm Are we all operating under the assumption that 2 nights = 2 recruitments = 2 mafia + mean bear?

Assuming mafia is mafia yea. I'd also say if we assume mafia is mafia then Bearo can recruit a certain amount of people and they probably need to be dead before we can lynch Bearo.

Yeah I’ve been wondering if there’s a cap on recruitment.

But it’s also theoretically possible that one new recruit could kill an older recruit at some point.

None of this helps is catch scum today.

Are we all operating under the assumption that 2 nights = 2 recruitments = 2 mafia + mean bear?

Rej wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:36 pm hmm if for any wagon I would hop on too, I would also hop on the Jack, DDL or Creature wagon one of them is certainly mafia

Why?

I voted for rej.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:14 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:11 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:09 am I'm not hunting the bear, I'm hunting the scum.

Okay. But you just slapped a scum read on me and then cited a post from Day 1, before anyone could have been recruited.

Your mentality wasn't holding up, you made a claim on Day 1 and then town read someone for it on Day 2. Even if you weren't recruited already, you could've been recruited on the next night. Which would explain your shift in perspective.

I don’t even know what you’re talking about, to be honest. You are pinning me into corners that I was never in.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:12 am Point was, you didn't read Okosan as monokuma, even though he was doing what you thought Monokuma would be doing.

I didn’t see him doing that. My town read on him is based on more than one thing. I don’t think that monoluma had fo be doing what I proposed; I was literally just suggesting what I would be doing. Other players aren’t me. I reject all of these points outright.

linki: I gave you the opportunity to re-assess but you just refused it. You have no interest in sorting him, why are you saying you do?

I reject this outright as well. You misrepresented several points I made and I tried to clarify things. You asked questions and I answered. I have a read on a player and I have my methods for developing reads. I don’t need to be given opportunities to do things. I am a big boy.

I’m disinterested in all of this.

[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine let’s make it a trifecta.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 4:09 am I'm not hunting the bear, I'm hunting the scum.

Okay. But you just slapped a scum read on me and then cited a post from Day 1, before anyone could have been recruited.

You are assigning way way more weight to my read on okosan than I ever did. He’s a town read. He’s not a lock town read. I’m perfectly willing to reassess him. My assessment so far has lead me to read him as town.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:52 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 3:20 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:31 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:58 pm If I was mozzarella bear I’d spend the day acting like I know how to catch mozzarella bear.

Oh I just stumbled upon this gem

I remember that one. What does it mean to you?

If you read my earlier interaction with Sloonei and Okosan, Sloonei was essentially locked into a town read on Okosan solely based on how Okosan was looking for monokuma.

First, no I wasn’t.

Second, we already know I’m not the mozzarella bear. I could not have been bad on Day 1. I don’t even know what dots you’re trying to connect right now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:08 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:05 am [VOTE: We need a poll] aubergine

I think action results still going out. We can narrow down actions in the following manner: either Junko was recruited, or our one shot RB is dead.
DDL, wanna tell us who you recruited? It’d make things more fun wait you can’t it’s in the rules ops

Why can’t the one shot roleblocker be recruited?

Anyone got a Magic Tournament to get to today or tomorrow?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:22 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:19 pm Alright, it’s become more of a “let’s antagonise the fuck out of him when he’s trying to sort us” type of deal.

See ya tomorrow

We must also try to sort you. I’ve not been trying to antagonize you in the slightest. I feel like you’ve misconstrued several of my posts. I’m trying to decide whether or not I think that comes from an honest place.

Town misconstrues to a mental narrative, scum builds a fake narrative around the truth

I think I’d lean towards the former.

Sorry if I was being difficult, [mention]tedxtr[/mention]. I've been lying around sick in bed all day and had not eaten a single thing until a moment ago. I think I belong in a Snickers commercial.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:19 pm Alright, it’s become more of a “let’s antagonise the fuck out of him when he’s trying to sort us” type of deal.

See ya tomorrow

We must also try to sort you. I’ve not been trying to antagonize you in the slightest. I feel like you’ve misconstrued several of my posts. I’m trying to decide whether or not I think that comes from an honest place.