The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:57 pm speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl
How has your view of ts account changed since nutella and I arrived?

It is partially motivated by POE. funnygurl's claim buried Epi and looks authentic in light of the host corrections from this morning. Tony has been my next strongest town read in the thread today, in part because he looks a bit out of place going around begging for character claims. It's a bizarre thing to be doing if he's bad. Long Con's self vote is the single weirdest event in a game which featured two demi-gods descending upon us from the heavens, but the fact that TH sat calmly by while LC was in danger of being lynched on Day 1 seems like an indication that he's town. The exception to that is the possibility of vote shenanigans, but there is no direct evidence pointing there.
ts account has been very By The Numbers. Not just today, but all game long. He has cited the fabled Book of Mafia multiple times, and it also feels like he's reading directly from it whenever he expresses a read on anything. He's eager to hammer Epi, but hammering Epi is the easy thing to do today and there's no incentive not to bus him. I had an early game beef with him that dissolved because he kept up a suspicion of me that looked too stubborn to be real, but I care less about that now that we're in our current position.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:55 pm I'd like for everyone to please rank every other living player in order of least-to-most suspicious purely based on your gut feelings about them. Don't worry about "evidence" or whatever. Just ask your instincts.

speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl

Tinfoil: Epi doesn't like bussing. But Epi just played a game a couple weeks ago as mafia, and now all three of his teammates from that game are civilians in this one. Epi might feel a rare incentive to bus, or at least distance more aggressively than he normally would.

This mostly pertains to ts account, who I feel looks the worst in the thread today, but Epi's aggression towards him early in the game is a sticking point.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:32 pm Remember folks that all you have to do to fool JaggedJimmyJay is

1) post as much as you can

2) act believably mean to your teammates

That's it. That is all you have to do to beat JaggedJimmyJay.

This post is mean. Epi and Jay are teammates.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:22 pm i stopped for dinner. the prospect of analyzing the combo of ts account + funnygurl is daunting. Do I want to do it?
I avoided Funnygurl after the roller coaster last time.

I think this is nutella's responsibility, tbh

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:22 pm i stopped for dinner. the prospect of analyzing the combo of ts account + funnygurl is daunting. Do I want to do it?
I scum read her day 1, therefore we are not partners. Saved you the look.

i stopped for dinner. the prospect of analyzing the combo of ts account + funnygurl is daunting. Do I want to do it?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:07 pm Light green.

Like the color of plants that should be plucked from the earth and thrown halfway into the desert.

Yes, precisely

ts account and tonystarkprime

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Tony called out Long Con and it was Not Justified. Okay.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:10 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:34 pm I like this post.
Why?

This is so generic it's hilarious. I don't want to put it behind a spoiler because I want this to shine through on the page. Look how nondescript this is. It's so beautiful. I love it.

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N.U.L.L. NULL 2.0

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Tony is "unlikely." I once again do not know why.

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"In hindsight I disagree with myself quite a bit" RE: calling out Tony earlier. Cool.

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Tony continues to be null, but this time he gets a blurb. "I'd like to see more." Okay.

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He singles out tony from Jay's POE pool. My interpretation of this depends on how likely I think a scum ts account is to be bussing today. It's lylo, so they'd just need a single mislynch, and there's no need to go forward like this if Tony is his partner. Factor in also that other communities don't seem as bus-happy as the Syndicate and I'd say this is probably not a teammate interaction.

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Tony is strictly bad because of POE. Not unfair.

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"I do not believe I need to make a case on TSP" might be one of my least favorite sentences I've ever read in a mafia game.

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I don't love this post. But they are not teammates.

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tony's name comes up in the POE. Okay.

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Not teammates.

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Okay

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mikey disagrees with... something. I'm not sure what. This kind of looks like two people commenting on different things.

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Generic question.

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strategic chatter.

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Unnecessary hostile question.
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TonyStarkPrime and ts account

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Tony likes Mikey.

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Trouble in paradise?

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I think this post is about ts account. Tony floats a tinfoil speculation. He doesn't seem invested in it, and is just looking to contribute to a conversation.

"Mikey Town. Sounds like a village run by the makers of Life cereal.

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"tinfoiling a bit on TS." Why?

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Tony observes the "rule of three" in a post by TH mentioning Mikey. Okay.

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This post seems to imply that ts and funnygurl are teammates, but then dismisses that in the very next sentence. I do not follow. He emphasizes the latter in a follow-up.

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He's wrong.

Conclusion
I do not think these two are partners. More than that, I think I even see room to argue that Mikey is angling to set Tony up for the next lynch once it becomes viable to push somebody other than Epi. Mikey had little to say about Tony for the first two days, but has pushed him rather aggressively today. Tony maintained a light tinfoil on Mikey but never really elaborated and has not followed up on it today. I'd like to know what that's about. The scarcity of interactions prevents me from feeling too confident, but I don't think these two are partners.

Light green

ts account and speedchuck

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Generic banter. I wonder why the funnygurl read was surprising.

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The lord compels me to rage against the null read, but then ts counteracts that by giving a town GTH read on speed. So there's that.
Still null a little while later.

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Speedchuck is "unlikely" for no given reason.

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Continued null read, but this time he gets a shruggish blurb. "Curious case" "I remember liking them" "I do not feel emotionally attached." That's not very substantive, but it's a negative enough read that I think I'd lean toward it not being indicative of teammates.

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Starts Day 2 off by naming speed as a suspect due to wagonomics. Good look.

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Not a direct mention of speed, but he does some post-mortem reflection on Drago which highlights a post in which Drago scumreads speed, so there's that. That moves the dial a fraction of a percentage point in favor of these two not being teammates, but I barely care.

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Two mentions of speed bookend a longer chain post. ts votes mid-Day 2. Cool.

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Somewhat mocking tone in response to speed's LC suspicion.

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Takes a few steps back on the speed suspicion.

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Back on the chuck wagon. That momentary blip above becomes a good look in this context: if they're partners I see no reason for mikey to walk back his distancing ploy in the most insignificant way imaginable before immediately resuming it.

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A vote

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Okay

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Speedchuck is public enemy #2 today behind Epi. Cool. More of the same.

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Tony is suspicious for pushing speedchuck over Epi. speed is incidental here, the focus is on Tony.

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Funnygurl asks a question about speedchuck being "confirmed town" based on votes, and ts account gives an answer that doesn't mention speedchuck. He's done enough to push against speed that this isn't a major concern. There's no direct endorsement of the theory he's proposing here, so it's whatever.

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Implies that speedchuck has "weird interactions" with tony and long con. Does not elaborate.

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speedchuck and ts account

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Generic question about mikey

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Speed wastes no time pouncing once the door is opened. Cool.

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I believe ts was the first of two people speed alludes to here. Goofy post. Probably not teammates.

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A post that exists.

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ts account is now town. Don't know why.

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mikey's part of the "good vote" crew. Noted

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Goofy, lame post. I could see a universe where these two posts both belong to mafia members, but it's easier to see a universe where that's not the case.

Conclusion
ts account -> speed has some good evidence suggesting no partnership. Mikey went after speed in a pretty meaningful way and cast actual votes against him that didn't look false in any way. speedchuck has had next to nothing to say about ts account, going from one early "looks pretty bad" to a town read on Day 1, and then radio silence (despite receiving pressure from him). The way speed seems to have ignored that pressure is the only significant cause for concern I can pull out of this, but it does not need to be read as bad, especially in light of speed's overall level of activity here.

Light green

i gotchu

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:04 pm This is wearing me down now. I need help filling out the rest. I am starting to lose energy and it's impacting my ability to reason clearly.

Stop letting the thread take a crap when I make big posts. Talk.

what's the chart look like so far?

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:01 pm

red = bad, usually

got em

I’ll get out my crayons eventually. But today’s a grocery stockpiling day, and I neglected schoolwork yesterday. Priorities are elsewhere for the moment.

ebwop: “even with a successful lynch today”

While it’s lylo and we might assume that a massclaim automatically helps us, I also am considering that we still have a long way to go. Even with a successful claim today, we still need two more. That’s at least two more nights guaranteed. A mass claim could effectively nullify the remaining civilian roles those two nights.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:05 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:03 pm d1 eod should show that me and mikey aren't linked with lc. at least I dont bus people that hard. dont think mikey does either. the one time I was wolf with him he defended me p hard and was why I didnt die (i was mia a lot due to irl things).
Darn tootin.
We are never partners from my day 1, that is for sure.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:54 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:39 am Alright gang, let's start filling 'er out. The game can be completely solved here:

I failed to darken one line and that's really disappointing, but we forge onward.
I dont get what the graph means

it means nothing so far. We’re supposed to fill it in.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:49 am in my defense I’m pretty sure he didn’t have a ship yesterday

One thing this means is that Ted 100 percent had BTSC with Mac day 1

Yes, which is part of the reason that kill makes no sense.

I still feel like mac targeting ted makes little sense, but all evidence seems to point there. Maybe there was a redirection, or maybe mac earnestly thought ted should be killed. I dunno, there’s not much to argue about now.

Let’s find epi’s teammates.

This game has taught me that sexy vegetables and assassin fieri both exist.

Someone photoshop Guy Fieri in an assassin’s robe please.

Epi’s bad about 99 times out of 100 here, but I still don’t want to rush to a hammer.

Well that mostly nullifies the funnygurl theory.

Epi bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:43 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:42 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:40 am
Even if you successfully sell yourself as a civilian, it doesn’t lynch mafioso #3. Gotta start somewhere lad
GTH, Tony spent some time trying to lynch outside the dichotomy, which is a scum tactic, by the book.
I’ve considered doing that too.

Anyway, I’ll do my own research too assuming folks don’t hammer us back to heaven too fast.

Tony's wonky behavior today reminds me of his campaign to hunt outside of Mac/sig in the middle of the GoC. He's an unconventional hunter.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:48 pm The Book of Mafia ought to be shredded.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:37 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:33 am If you’re the casing sort, Michelangelo, then a dedicated case against Tony and/or Long Con would go a long way. Your world at present is simply impossible if those two are what I generally read them to be. You may not have such a case right now, but it’d be a stupendous direction to head while the avatars are available to interpret and assess.
The problem is, I cannot make a decent wolf case on either of these players. Most of their play has been baseline at best, and I am perhaps a bit worried I would walk away with a town read on the slots, and become further confused. It would be much easier to towncase myself, but ted already did a much, much better job of that than I could ever do on day 1.

If you develop town reads on them and get confused, at least you can start working your way out of confusion.

Ignoring claim business:

funnygurl
tony
Long Con
ts account
speedchuck
epignosis

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:22 am In a closed setup I’m not sure temporary BTSC should imply the participants will be trustful of one another in the thread.

They trusted each other on Day 1. But I agree with this, and that's what I meant when I said that "mac -> ted" is more interesting than "ted -> mac". If a temporary BTSC was set up then I think it would be more worthwhile to study how the player receiving the BTSC responds to the player initiating it. ted has no reason to assume anything about his targets. His targets can at least assess whether they think ted's role is town.

Either way, I'm still not sure what exactly would qualify as "evidence", but it felt like a good idea to look anyway.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:13 am Regular > Cinnamon

I recently found a box of strawberry life and it was much better than I expected.

that was before the quarantine. i'm not gonna venture out in search of it again for a while.

mikey reminds me of another wrinkle that's sure induce more headaches. funnygurl claims that ted was among the players targeting mac Night 1. Here is ted's role:

Misthios: You’re a hardened mercenary! This means that each night, you can either STRONGARM someone, which means they won’t be able to vote you the next day, or you can SELLSWORD, which will give you a neighborhood with someone the following day. You can use STRONGARM once per game (and not at MYLO or LYLO), and SELLSWORD twice per game.

You are a Righteous Warrior and win when all the Heathenous Spies have been eliminated.

I highly doubt ted would strongarm Mac after Day 1. Ted was a suspect, but Mac was one of his most vocal advocates in the thread. ted could have been worried about votes on Day 2, but Mac would not have been someone he'd have to worry about. This point is made even stronger by the 1-shot limitation.

Therefore, barring redirection, it is much more likely that ted would be targeting Mac with a sellsword shot. I tried to look for evidence that they'd have had BTSC on Day 2, but results were hard to come by. There were a few contentious moments between them on Day 2 that might be an indication that there was no BTSC. If there was no BTSC, that can be explained by Mac's pirate ship. But then we're back to "if Mac was on his ship, funnygurl should not have a report on him."

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:00 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:58 am The yellow stuff in my post is in accord with the yellow stuff in mac’s role. If he was sailing the seven seas last night, so too was somebody on the mafia team.

If he used it on Night 1 then everything else is null: funnygurl’s claim is a lie.
I suppose what I'm not following is why it's more likely he used it on Night 1 than Night 2. There's a corpse on Night 2.

That’s what I’m hoping to piece together. I don’t know which is more likely. I asked the question to everyone who was here earlier, and funnygurl herself answered Night 1, which prompted me to vote for her and turn this into a Thing.

If we suppose he used it on Night 2 then:
He would have presumably attempted to kill somebody. I highly doubt he goes for ted. He may very well have targeted Turnip Head along with me, in which case, oh well. The possibility for a redirection also exists here. But the biggest variable of all is that the player carrying out the kill for the mafia team must also have been on a pirate ship.

There is no clear and obvious explanation as to why there would be no extra body if Mac was able to kill on Night 1. Possibilities are that he himself was prevented somehow (the player he was targeting would probably have to be protected/immune themselves, since he is unlikely to be roleblocked), or that Mac used the ability for protection but holstered the shot. I’m not sure I believe the latter would happen.

We can’t know either way. This is all just speculation and trying to figure out what’s most likely. If he used it on Night 1, funnygurl is lying. If he used it on Night 2, funnygurl’s claim can be believed and Epi is bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:55 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:45 am When Mac uses his pirate ship he can’t be targeted by anyone who is not also on a pirate ship that same night. He can also perform a kill (presumably on anyone regardless of their proximity to the sea) on those same nights. He can only use it every other night.

In speculating about which night is more likely to have been Mac’s choice to use it, Night 1 may make more sense. If Mac used his pirate ship Night 1, funnygurl could not have received a report on him.
If Mac used his pirate ship Night 2, the mafia team must have also been pirates.
Mac role:

Edward Kenway

Pirate Ship: You have a pirate ship! That’s awesome, dude. Using your pirate ship, you can make yourself untargetable to anyone that doesn’t also possess a ship. You can only use this ability every other night though, cause you have to restock your food and supplies. While on your ship, you can target someone to try and kill.

You are a Righteous Warrior and win when all the Heathenous Spies have been eliminated.

Is there a reason why the yellow stuff would not fit into the Night 2 activities? The role implies the existence of at least one other "ship", and it seems reasonable to presume the mafia have a ship.

If he used it on Night 1, shouldn't we be seeing another corpse out there that he shot? A hypothetical role block from Epignosis would have been rendered useless by the pirate ship.

What a sentence I just wrote.

The yellow stuff in my post is in accord with the yellow stuff in mac’s role. If he was sailing the seven seas last night, so too was somebody on the mafia team.

If he used it on Night 1 then everything else is null: funnygurl’s claim is a lie.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:37 am I suppose the next natural hunting course is to investigate the interrelations of my suspects to determine whether any glaring these two don't work together pairings may exist.

That frankly sounds like a lot after I just did that on the baseball diamond. JJJ so tired. I will need help. I can post my usual pretty chart to clarify precisely what investigations I view as necessary.
Do you have any comment on mac’s pirate ship?
I have paid no attention to that conversation. It looked dumb. What's up with Mac's pirate ship?

When Mac uses his pirate ship he can’t be targeted by anyone who is not also on a pirate ship that same night. He can also perform a kill (presumably on anyone regardless of their proximity to the sea) on those same nights. He can only use it every other night.

In speculating about which night is more likely to have been Mac’s choice to use it, Night 1 may make more sense. If Mac used his pirate ship Night 1, funnygurl could not have received a report on him.
If Mac used his pirate ship Night 2, the mafia team must have also been pirates.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:37 am I suppose the next natural hunting course is to investigate the interrelations of my suspects to determine whether any glaring these two don't work together pairings may exist.

That frankly sounds like a lot after I just did that on the baseball diamond. JJJ so tired. I will need help. I can post my usual pretty chart to clarify precisely what investigations I view as necessary.

Do you have any comment on mac’s pirate ship?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:33 am This has been a pleasure. This game got started, and I realized that I would get to lord over the peons from on-high without having to do anything. So I paid my focus to the baseball heist, and whaddya know as soon as that one comes to an end it's time to descend upon this realm in my avatar form and bellow the wisdom of Celestia to all.

Sounds like something an umpire would say.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:30 am Can someone give me their best synopsis of the general reception Epignosis has had in this game before Day 3?

I’ve been generally suspicious of him for most of the game, but he “wasn’t a Day 2 lynch” yesterday because his name is Epignosis. Other people have voiced suspicion as well, it’s not just me. But he’s skated by.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:27 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:26 am I have 100 posts already?

I'm not sure these lowly folks deserve gods as majestic as we are, pal.
Imagine how annoying we can be in a 72 hour period.

Catch me if you can.

If there were no claims, I’d vote for Epi over funnygurl 9 times out of 10 here.

Thanks a lot nutella

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:03 am y'all are thinking too much

this is simpler than you're making it out to be. like i get why you have to do this, but still. idk what to do other than make faces at my laptop

Find epi’s teammates

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:59 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:09 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:06 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:05 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:04 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:59 pm Some stuff that hits slightly different if he sometimes has immunity. Can’t decipher if he expected to be immune night one or night two.
I'm sorry, but I do not get the same analysis here as you do. It looks to me like he is just including himself in the PoE. I would also expected MacDougall to have claimed the shot.
If he had shot night 1?
Specifically, if he had shot Dragomir.
I agree with this as well.
Though if he took a shot and FG is telling the truth, it would have failed as Epi would have blocked it.
True true.

Wait.

I just realized something obvious.

FG also saw Ted and Drago target Mac N1, yes?

They don't have pirate ships.

So that further corroborates that Mac didn't use it N1.

That whole argument was stupid.

The argument would be that funnygurl’s claim is fake.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:57 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:57 am I mean, it's sort of due to the fact that you backed up the silly flavor thing. That's just silly.
She has an eagle. It's already silly.

The sillyest of all, utter poppycock if you’ll pardon me, however, is this ludicrous suggestion, deprived of all empirical evidence, whereby a lone eagle could triumph over an entire seaward vessel! I will not have it.

Then again, we only have nutella and jay’s word that they’re to be trusted.

I don’t doubt them, and they confirmed that they were responsible for me having a gun last night, but

I think Tony is my most trusted non-confirmed player at this point.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:38 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:33 am They start off fine, but arriving at the conclusion that Funnygurl must be lying... because eagles... or something... doesn't feel like honest solving to me.
I never brought up eagles. That was all funnygurl. Which part of the progression do you dislike or not follow?

>Mac’s pirate ship makes him immune to abilities by players who are not also on pirate ships.
>funnygurl claims to have targeted Mac on Night 1.
>funnygurl says she thinks Mac used his pirate ship Night 1.
>funnygurl confirms she does not have a pirate ship, in which case she would not have been able to target Mac had he been on his ship Night 1.

Do you disagree that there is potential for her to be caught in a lie here? It is not confirmed and I do not intend to act like it is. But this absolutely should he explored before we make a decision. I don’t see how we could justify not talking about it.
Well, it kind of hinges on the assumption that none of the wolves had read the flips... Because then otherwise they would have claimed to have a pirate ship. It also means that wolves wanted to ensure Epignosis sunk here, which, why? He claimed to roleblock Sloonei Night 2. That's pretty close to being the lynch anyway. Wolves do not need to push it any further. Trying to push the pirate ship angle just does not do a lot for me.

In the world where funnygurl is lying, she simply got overeager with her claim. It could happen.
Ensuring the lynch of any player who’s not one of them secures a win. They wouldn’t need to single out Epi, but he was looking like the most viable candidate out of the gate. He probably still is.

As big a concern, or perhaps bigger, is funnygurl’s claim itself: Epi + 2 dead players targeted Mac, a dead player. There is no one else who can confirm or deny that claim.

To be clear, my mind is not made up on any of this. These are questions I have to ask myself, and so I am vocalizing them here. I want to explore as many possible angles as we can before we decide this lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:42 am When I ask my intuition what I think of Funnygurl's claim, the following points spill from my gut:

1) While there's a clear motive for a fake cross-claim of this sort at LyLo, she made the claim quickly enough after Epi's that I have to wonder if she even had time to a) conceive of a threat in Epi's claim to her win condition, b) devise a counter-claim that would make him look bad, and c) execute that claim publicly.

2) At face value, I don't think she looks dishonest. I have never seen her lie; I dunno.

3) Epi claimed to be a roleblocker, and countering that to lynch him doesn't even seem necessary. It's a predominantly mafia-aligned role anyway.

These are all points on my mind as well, for the record.

At the end of the day we’ll never know what mac did.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:33 am They start off fine, but arriving at the conclusion that Funnygurl must be lying... because eagles... or something... doesn't feel like honest solving to me.

I never brought up eagles. That was all funnygurl. Which part of the progression do you dislike or not follow?

>Mac’s pirate ship makes him immune to abilities by players who are not also on pirate ships.
>funnygurl claims to have targeted Mac on Night 1.
>funnygurl says she thinks Mac used his pirate ship Night 1.
>funnygurl confirms she does not have a pirate ship, in which case she would not have been able to target Mac had he been on his ship Night 1.

Do you disagree that there is potential for her to be caught in a lie here? It is not confirmed and I do not intend to act like it is. But this absolutely should he explored before we make a decision. I don’t see how we could justify not talking about it.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:29 am A good example is your line of questioning on Funnygurl. If you were not mechanically town I would wolf read you for it.

Why? I have concerns and I’m going to see them through.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:29 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:26 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:25 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:24 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:22 am I misread Mac’s role.
What did you think it said?
Switch between untargetable and kill
Do you believe funnygurl's claim?
Makes it more likely that Mac was targetable night 1, I think, since he didn’t claim the kill and would have had no reason to. But would have required him to shoot Ted night 2. Best guess, failed kill night 1. Which means Epi is lying about the boat.

Unrelated, Sloonei, have you claimed a character?

A failed kill is a possibility on either night. We have no way of knowing for sure.

I have not claimed a character or a role for that matter. Just an item I received and a shot I took with it.

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