The Syndicate

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm i don't understand how anyone is scumreading chopchop after he outright posted the message he sent spacedaisy lol
scum just would not do that

Why not?

it allows us to see the "slip". without seeing the exact text, we can only go on what spacedaisy said about how egregious the slip was. and she was town-reading chopchop.
i think if chop was mafia he could simply give some summary that makes him look good, and i doubt daisy would complain.

I do not see it this way. I don't think revealing the message changes a whole lot about my perception of the event. It could be done out of an attempt at transparency on chop's part, or it could just be a nervous reaction, or he thought Daisy was gonna do it first. I think "giving a summary" would be riskier because then he runs the risk of Daisy calling him out and reversing her town stance on him.

I do not understand any of the things ChopChop has done from Night 1 until now, regardless of his alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm Just because my reads are low effort doesn't make them bogus Sloonei

Yes it does.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm i don't understand how anyone is scumreading chopchop after he outright posted the message he sent spacedaisy lol
scum just would not do that

Why not?

ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:20 pm Do you TR SPF Sloon?

For now I'll say yes.
Why does that matter right now?

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:17 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:09 pm i think that urist is scum

Why, and which team?

see the below posts:

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:41 am ngl i'm slowly buying into the theory that chopchop and spacedaisy are both wolves

none of his reads or his takes today feel authentic or soulful or like theyre coming from the thought process of someone who is carefully evaluating the game. his push on alison that he shortly dropped after is weird. his belief that chopchop/space are both scum that he then immediately dropped in favor of defending chop is weird. his reasoning for wanting to chop rej over chopchop is weird. his energy today compared to d2 is dramatically different, and not in a way that i particularly like. he feels somewhat deflated and like he doesn't know where to take his solving or how to position himself in the thread

he would probably be on whatever team chopchop is on, since he's been soft defending him for a while now

why are you hardtunneling me

Talk about ChopChop please and thanks.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:17 pm if chop's daniel then luke knows that he's daniel and luke could just message someone saying as such right

There's a third messenger role in one of the cyan factions.

Also we don't know for sure that Luke is actually in the game.

I've been reading Urist as faintly town and firmly not teamed with Esooa.

ChopChop would be Enclave, so I do not object to that pairing.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:11 pm If your gonna tell me you would ignore it and not claim at all.
We both know that’s BS.

That would probably be my response, tbh.

But more importantly, I am still unclear on why you chose the strategy that you did. Why did you want to target a null read to "get more info on them"? Why not targeting a town read to help clear yourself? Why did you fish for daisy's role? Why relay your reads to her so that she could act as your mouthpiece? And why Daisy out of all the "null reads" in the game?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:09 pm i think that urist is scum

Why, and which team?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:55 pm I have a town read on Mac, mostly because he can't really win as scum if he plays like this. His teammates are going to get trampled on and he'll get outed by mech or by "well, we're out of good exes, let's just get rid of the afk". I have seen him blitz out first post reads as scum before (in SI) and he did that with a specific eye to pocketing a specific person via meta. He is pocketing nobody in this game with this behavior. I also just remembered that he said in Bread Mafia he was going to take mafia lowkey for a while because of some arguments he got into in D1.

My concern with Mac is that he has/had continued to give uninformed reads while not acknowledging them as such. He has acknowledged it now, but that only came after it was pointed out that he'd missed some pretty major details (such as your roleclaim).

I do not suspect Mac for his activity, and I do not suspect him for generating bogus uninformed reads alone. But I am slightly skeptical of him when he consistently puts bogus reads into the thread without letting on that they are bogus. I would have expected town Mac to inform the thread that his reads were largely uninformed sooner than he did; before people could start taking them seriously, rather than waiting until he was called out for being uninformed.

I have not considered what his "winning strategy" would be playing this way, but I'm not sure he needs to have one. I believe him when he say he has been unable to play as much as usual, and I do not doubt that he'd prefer to remain lowkey for personal reasons (I didn't play or spectate Bread, but I don't doubt your account of things), but with all of this in mind I think it is possible that MafiaMac's strategy right now is just to be accepted as town and worry about the rest later. He does not have time to mastermind a team victory, or if he does, he's not in a position to do that yet. He needs to earn some trust first. So he does that by vomiting quick reads into the thread.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:39 pm I will wait for Sloonei's updated case on Mac in case that changes my view, but as things stand this is where I'm at.

I wouldn’t call it a case. I don’t have a confident read on him. I just can still see him being mafia here.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:32 pm I have returned. I remain unconvinced that Mac is town.

I have been convinced that Martin is town though.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

I wrote up a couple of posts explaining why I townread him. He's being productive now and his reads don't look bad to me. People have testified that there are plausible reasons to believe he would step back from mafia based on his past couple of games. What's your concern?

I know, I saw them.

I’ll give a more detailed read when I’m at my laptop.

I have returned. I remain unconvinced that Mac is town.

I have been convinced that Martin is town though.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:43 pm Alison is enclave. Doubling down on that one.

Lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:42 pm Alright who wants some Mac reads?

Please

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:40 pm Sup guys I'm doing a poo

Poop tell, lock it in

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:33 pm rej is a name that i've seen floated by the majority of the playerlist today as an option for scum

it's also a name that nearly got chopped over c4 yesterday

but he's had one vote parked him all day and virtually zero momentum against him

is that just because he hasn't been here? the lack of attention toward him is actually a little strange to me

I think that’s mostly because chopchop came in here and claimed a mafia role.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:54 pm how do we all read marmot?

tb, ge

Sloonei, I'm sad you didn't acknowledge this.

I was being far too serious for your jokes! Captain Serious is on the prowl.

[VOTE: martin] aubergine for no particular reason other than I think it’s time we kicked his tires.

Also lol at me being tied for the lead right now.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:26 pm wait wth

Sloon has 495 posts so far

more than the next 2 top posters combined

I must be stopped.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:15 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:20 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:28 am

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:08 pm i think i know who eldridge is anyway LOL

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Who did you think it was? You obviously didn't think it was me.

Marmot. I thought his "i won't bother reading c4" was bc he had shot him.

If you think I'm Eldridge, why are you voting for me Urist?

Mind blown again

You both will note the use of past tense in Urist’s post.

I do not suspect him for that.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:08 pm How does a scum team of Urist, ChopChop, Mac, and Martin sound?

I’d have trouble squeezing urist in there, but I could see the rest pretty easily.

However I don’t like searching for whole teams at once.

Fair.

I'm looking at Urist for sheeping your vote on me. I don't recall him mentioning a reason to suspect me.

The other two are both independently not townie, and compatible with Chop Chop.

Urist has been light on giving reasons this game in general.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:08 pm How does a scum team of Urist, ChopChop, Mac, and Martin sound?

I’d have trouble squeezing urist in there, but I could see the rest pretty easily.

However I don’t like searching for whole teams at once.

Why is marmot scum, not why did you catch up

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:54 pm how do we all read marmot?

probably scum, sadly

i just caught up

Why?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:58 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:54 pm how do we all read marmot?

I'm not sure right now, but GTH I'd town lean him

why?

Why am I not sure, or why GTH town lean?

Whichever you prefer, I guess.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:03 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:00 pm This thread is full of mind-boggling behaviors isn't it?

it truly is.

Which team am I on?

One of the main points in your suspicion of me an hour ago was my repeated shielding of chopchop. How have recent events changed your view of me?

Was it?

Yep

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:00 pm This thread is full of mind-boggling behaviors isn't it?

it truly is.

Which team am I on?

One of the main points in your suspicion of me an hour ago was my repeated shielding of chopchop. How have recent events changed your view of me?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:00 pm This thread is full of mind-boggling behaviors isn't it?

it truly is.

Which team am I on?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:57 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:54 pm how do we all read marmot?

I'm not sure right now, but GTH I'd town lean him

why?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:24 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:12 pm I should clarify, when I said "a guilty conscience", I was referring to that claim coming from an Enclave mindset, and that's a harder reason to reckon with imo.

Okay but before you said that you said it was "a good look" and then called that "probably likely" (adverb count: 2). Why?

I'm still trying to figure out why he targeted Spacedaisy.


I think that his reaction of admitting it was him is a good look, because Spacedaisy pointed out specifically that it was suspicious to ignore Esooa in whatever thoughts he included. I also think it's a good look for Spacedaisy for even putting it in the thread in the first place, and she came to a similar conclusion.

But.

I don't trust your handling of ChopChop this game, which is why I'm skeptical about it.

Noted.

In the interest of preserving thread sanity I'll drop the act now.

I lied to Marmot at the outset of this conversation. I read the situation opposite to what I told him: Chop is mafia, Daisy is town. I just wanted to see how he'd respond if I held the door open to town-read ChopChop. He kind of took it, and I didn't love that first answer. He walked through the door very gingerly.

Circling back to this, I don't really know why you picked me for this exercise. If ChopChop is indeed wolf, there's no way I start a wagon on him the way I did Day 1.

Anyway, putting my vote on Chop later, but I'll put it back on the catatonic Sloonei for now.


[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

It wasn't like I was sitting around waiting for somebody to give me the opportunity to run that exercise. You just happened to be there and I saw an opportunity to make a play for reactions.

Which team am I on, my furry friend?

how do we all read marmot?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:38 pm There’s a difference between like lying and denying reality

There is?

i forgot about my fake catatonic state in doppelgansters. that was some champion-level play. kudos to fake martin.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:27 pm I'm going back to catching up.

*patpat*

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:25 pmJesus Sloonei

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:12 pm I should clarify, when I said "a guilty conscience", I was referring to that claim coming from an Enclave mindset, and that's a harder reason to reckon with imo.

Okay but before you said that you said it was "a good look" and then called that "probably likely" (adverb count: 2). Why?

I'm still trying to figure out why he targeted Spacedaisy.


I think that his reaction of admitting it was him is a good look, because Spacedaisy pointed out specifically that it was suspicious to ignore Esooa in whatever thoughts he included. I also think it's a good look for Spacedaisy for even putting it in the thread in the first place, and she came to a similar conclusion.

But.

I don't trust your handling of ChopChop this game, which is why I'm skeptical about it.

Noted.

In the interest of preserving thread sanity I'll drop the act now.

I lied to Marmot at the outset of this conversation. I read the situation opposite to what I told him: Chop is mafia, Daisy is town. I just wanted to see how he'd respond if I held the door open to town-read ChopChop. He kind of took it, and I didn't love that first answer. He walked through the door very gingerly.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:21 pm 3) whoever made the post preflipping sloonei and saying that KZA was town

marmot

tbh i'm surprised tsp doesn't understand what's happening right now.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:18 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:16 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:15 pm so many things itt are just absolutely mind boggling

Can you help us understand what's mind-boggling to you?

sloonei is doing mindboggling things and is also being treated in a mindboggling manner.
daisy is doing mindboggling things and is also being treated in a mindboggling manner.
alison is doing mindboggling things and is also being treated in a mindboggling manner.
chop is still alive.
and so on.

alison and daisy make perfect sense to me.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:17 pm tbh i do not understand the question you've asked him five times now and I've reread various formulations of it multiple times

Marmot said a thing and I asked him to explain why he said it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:15 pm so many things itt are just absolutely mind boggling

Things will start to make more sense once Marmot has answered the question I've asked him five times now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:11 pm I've heard people say that Grogu is green, why?

Grogu said that Grogu is green.

They had a no reason vote on Esooa early in the game, then changed to BK for also! you guessed it, no reason.


Does that sound towny to you?

If this is directed at me in particular, I am not one of the people who has said that Grogu is town. I'm just the messenger here.

If it is directed at the thread in general, fair deal.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:12 pm I should clarify, when I said "a guilty conscience", I was referring to that claim coming from an Enclave mindset, and that's a harder reason to reckon with imo.

Okay but before you said that you said it was "a good look" and then called that "probably likely" (adverb count: 2). Why?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:11 pm I've heard people say that Grogu is green, why?

Grogu said that Grogu is green.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:50 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:45 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm Still reading. Spacedaisy looks fine to me thus far.

Why? What do you think of Chop?

Spacedaisy's original conclusion looked fine to me.

I realize the only incriminating thing against ChopChop is that he presumably sent Daisy a message that talked about a bunch of players except Esooa. But yes, him claiming he sent the message is either a good look, or a reeeeeeeeally guilty conscience. The former is probably likely I suppose.

Why?

@Marmot plz

Why what?

I'm trying to catch up and respond to your questions too, it's hard work.

Why is "the former likely"?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:07 pm Sloonei's doing the thing he accused and suspected KZA of doing on Day 1. Another misgiving.

Nope.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:04 pm you're doing this to get a rise out of me. it won't work. I'm calm now.

warmer