The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:04 pm about to call slightly less lock town than alison but still lock town sloonei wolfy

i know what all of these words mean individually, but not in this sequence.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:03 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:01 pm you saying spacedaisy scum chop town

There is a confirmed scum in the thread and you're voting for me. That's another misgiving.

Where?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:50 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:45 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm Still reading. Spacedaisy looks fine to me thus far.
Why? What do you think of Chop?
Spacedaisy's original conclusion looked fine to me.

I realize the only incriminating thing against ChopChop is that he presumably sent Daisy a message that talked about a bunch of players except Esooa. But yes, him claiming he sent the message is either a good look, or a reeeeeeeeally guilty conscience. The former is probably likely I suppose.
Why?

@Marmot plz

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:01 pm you saying spacedaisy scum chop town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:59 pm i don't even think it's a terrible interpretation of reality except it is

what is this in reference to?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:49 pm I'm just having trouble with this because you're shielding ChopChop now @Sloonei, and you did a similar thing on Day 1 before we knew anything about his role.
Also why does this matter if he's likely town?
I think it is a townie thing to do, but I still have misgivings.

Such as?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:39 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:28 pm 9 more pages, should I keep catching up?
have you got to the chopchop part yet?

I spotted parts of it in Spacedaisy's iso, what's your current take on it?
Daisy scum, Chop town.
this is a joke right. you're joking.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:43 pm We have had very little movement in this game. Only about 5 names have received serious scrutiny in a game of 26 players. That's not enough. Prior to this Rej wagon, there'd only been about three people who received serious support in the poll.

My main motivation when I was shouting about KZA earlier was to try to get people to talk about a different name. It gained no traction. That can just be because I didn't have a good argument about KZA. I didn't. But I had something, and I think KZA is the type of player we could begin a fruitful conversation at (light content but not no content. Taken some stances, but has been fairly lowkey). But the entirety of our focus seems to be on c4, chop, BoKnows, Jack, and now Rej. It has been difficult for anything else to gain traction.
To be fair, I asked you about ChopChop, and you responded with a GTH read and what looked like a lack of interest in pursuing that read further.
yes.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:39 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:28 pm 9 more pages, should I keep catching up?
have you got to the chopchop part yet?

I spotted parts of it in Spacedaisy's iso, what's your current take on it?
Daisy scum, Chop town.

Yes

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:49 pm I'm just having trouble with this because you're shielding ChopChop now @Sloonei, and you did a similar thing on Day 1 before we knew anything about his role.

Also why does this matter if he's likely town?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:45 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm Still reading. Spacedaisy looks fine to me thus far.
Why? What do you think of Chop?
Spacedaisy's original conclusion looked fine to me.

I realize the only incriminating thing against ChopChop is that he presumably sent Daisy a message that talked about a bunch of players except Esooa. But yes, him claiming he sent the message is either a good look, or a reeeeeeeeally guilty conscience. The former is probably likely I suppose.

Why?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:49 pm I'm just having trouble with this because you're shielding ChopChop now @Sloonei, and you did a similar thing on Day 1 before we knew anything about his role.

Am I?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:44 pm Still reading. Spacedaisy looks fine to me thus far.

Why? What do you think of Chop?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:39 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:28 pm 9 more pages, should I keep catching up?
have you got to the chopchop part yet?

I spotted parts of it in Spacedaisy's iso, what's your current take on it?
Daisy scum, Chop town.
Why didn't you correct me earlier when I said Daisy was town?

This is not consensus, it's still up for debate. I didn't want to interfere with your read on it too early.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:28 pm 9 more pages, should I keep catching up?
have you got to the chopchop part yet?

I spotted parts of it in Spacedaisy's iso, what's your current take on it?

Daisy scum, Chop town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:28 pm 9 more pages, should I keep catching up?

have you got to the chopchop part yet?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:22 pm Sloonei so stubborn he's prolly town

It's not stubbornness, I just think the "Alison is Metzger" theory holds no water and stems from a misunderstanding of what she was saying at the time.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:56 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:54 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
Spicy indeed!

What's this one
Alison is now basically confirmed town.
Dude, she's a Slaver

No.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:02 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:58 pm But also, why did you get “the exact opposite”, @Marmot?
He'd already claimed green team, and considering his lack of attention to this game, I believe he looked at the post, saw red on the player name, and assumed wolf.
I mean, that’s not an incorrect assumption to make. I wouldn’t even call it an assumption. It’s just accurate reading comprehension. Is grogu town for claiming to be town and then reading the host posts?
Actually, if Grogu is on a green team, he doesn't care that much if Vault City dies.

Vault City are still functionally a mafia team.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:58 pm But also, why did you get “the exact opposite”, @Marmot?
He'd already claimed green team, and considering his lack of attention to this game, I believe he looked at the post, saw red on the player name, and assumed wolf.

I mean, that’s not an incorrect assumption to make. I wouldn’t even call it an assumption. It’s just accurate reading comprehension. Is grogu town for claiming to be town and then reading the host posts?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:58 pm @Sloonei why does Urist look excellent?

Because he and Esooa didn’t look like teammates. I forget the details. It should be in my big post(s) if you wanna scan for urist’s name.

But also, why did you get “the exact opposite”, @Marmot?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:56 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:39 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:37 pm I’m glad to see we killed a wolf, great job team.
grogu enclave confirmed

I'm seeing the exact opposite here lol.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/joke?s=t

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:54 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
Spicy indeed!

What's this one

Alison is now basically confirmed town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:50 pm (am I wrong though)

Yes.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:45 pm If Sloonei is mafia, then KZA is probably town. Sloonei was pushing hard enough for KZA's head D1, that it's probably not teammie.

Oh my god

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 1:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:57 pm @ChopChop

Can you please tell the class why you messaged Daisy in particular? You express a null read on her in your note.
Thats consistent with his message, he says he null reads her in there as well

I think jack is asking why chop employed that strategy in the first place, and why daisy in particular?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:22 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:10 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:43 am Is it realistic to think that the Enclave member holding that role would actually forget to include the name of their nightkill victim?

If this team is functioning like a normal team should, that message would have been peer reviewed in the team chat before it got sent out. Somebody should have noticed that Esooa's name was missing.
As a wise man once said: Mafia ChopChop doesn't run it by BTSC.
Night actions are usually highly coordinated tho
What are the chances that the other Enclave members said something like "Chop, send a message to Daisy or something and try to fish for a claim", and they don't review the exact wording?
that would depend on the teammates. I'm too much of a control freak to let a message like that go out without checking it myself. But not everyone would be so neurotic about it.

I feel like you would also be in that camp, along with spf. Ordinarily I'd say Epi, but I feel like he's taking it easy in this game regardless of alignment, so I don't know if he'd doublecheck his student's teammate's work for obvious errors right now. Something tells me nanook would be on alert.
Mac would be crafty enough to come up with the plan, but based on his thread presence he might not be tuned in enough to check the message before sending it out. I feel similar about LC and Marmot.

I don't know enough about the scum games of everyone else to say how they'd handle having that role in the hands of a teammate.
It also depends on the person sending the message. I’m very careful sending that kind of shit, it makes me nervous, so I would have shared it with my team if it were me, and I would’ve waited until they all told me it looked good.

I don’t know what Chop would do though.

For sure.

Based on the way he has responded to things today, he does not strike me as the most cautious or meticulous player out there.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:19 pm Can Sloony post less

Yes

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 12:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:08 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:39 am big brain theory is that chop and daisy are both enclave.
That is a big brain theory. But neither Chop nor Daisy are the kind to come up with a strategy this sneaky, which means there is a mastermind directing this sequence of events from BTSC. Esooa could, I could, neither of us are Enclave. Mac could be the mastermind, but it doesn't suit his style to go full Light Yagami in scum chat and afk in the thread.

Who do you think is the mastermind if this is true? I lean towards it not being true and Daisy just being town. The mix of paranoia and emotion in her post was struck very precisely, and it is not easy to fake.
I don't believe it's true.

but i could see lc pulling something like that. maayyyyybe epi or dom. it's got a very old school syndicate feel.

but i'm not seriously entertaining the theory.
if it's got an old school syndicate feel that I'd also have to include daisy's name on the list. let's not assume she's not a capable schemer.
Aw shucks

Here I was a bit disappointed that the new people don’t have the frame of reference to think I’m sneaky.

Regardless of that, you are speculating about who is bad based upon a bunch of things needing to be true.

ChopChop must be Enclave
I must also be Enclave
Someone else is a mastermind Enclave.

It’s silly because the premise falls apart with the fact that I am not Enclave.

Also I don’t trust you anymore.

... daisy i was not actually entertaining these thoughts. I made that very clear from the beginning. I was just playing along with a thought exercise.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:15 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 1:07 am 7. Players with BTSC may not submit night actions on behalf of one another. All actions must be submitted by the players performing them either by direct host contact or visible word of agreement.
relevant to prior questions for the record

The suggestion was not that somebody else submitted the message for chop, it was that he should have ran it by the rest of his team in chat before sending it out.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:33 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:31 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:29 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:28 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:24 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:20 am This is more proof you're Metzger, cuz you are smart enough to know that viable fake character claims were provided. Especially if you know only 1 other role can dayvig
So you think I am Metzger, lucked into rolling Elridge as a fakeclaim (there aren't enough town-equivalents of each evil role to give fakeclaims to all of them), decided to shoot the most misexable slot on planet earth instead of literally any other player in a game stacked with strong town players with my unstoppable unaccountable daykill, and then holster my nightkill?
Yup.
Good for you, buddy. Have fun.
You seem perturbed. Was it something I said?
Yes, I'm annoyed that I'm getting tinfoiled for bad reasons solely because I'm me.

hashtag relatable

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:09 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:55 am Day vig Chop IMO
I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.
Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger
elaborate
There's only one Slaver role guaranteed, and Alison is assuming that it's Metzger. It's TMI, I'd bet good caps that's her role.

No

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:48 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:47 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:39 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:37 am who kills wilgy?
Someone with a PR read that was wrong.

Someone who is so deeply embedded in the towncore that they face suspicion if towncore members start dying and they are still alive, so they fake a PR hunt.

Possibly a vigilante, with the Vault City kill blocked by a doctor.
I'm not gonna check but doesn't Vault City have a limited number of factional kills? If so, it wouldn't be out of the question for them to just holster.
Worth considering. This would be a questionable decision imo but wolves are not known for always playing optimally

It’s very possible the two teams just alternate kills each night. Vault City on Evens, Enclave on Odds.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:52 am Possible Esooa carried the kill and Jay blocks actions from dead people

i do not think so

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:43 am Who vig shoots Wilgy is another question

someone with no restraint.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:42 am I think very few mafia teams would kill Wilgy just because it points to nobody when [SPF, Sloonei, Alison, Esooa] are all alive and townread, unless they have 2 or more wolves buried deep.

You know esooa better than I do, but I feel like there's a lot of players floating around the mafia world who aim for low key kills on Night 1 to try to keep town in the dark.

I haven't played with esooa before so in my mind this is her first game on the syndicate.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 28, 2021 2:06 am Hello everyone, name is DrWilgy.

Pros: Most definitely a doctor
Cons: Most definitely a doctor
Gameplan: Most definitely a doctor
Misc: Most definitely a doctor

It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance.

Wild theory: Vault City is comprised entirely of people who don't know wilgy and thought this was a role claim.

Less wild theory: Wilgy is the safest kill choice because it points to no one and we all say "why would anyone kill wilgy?"

Alternative less wild theory: Wilgy wasn't killed by a mafia team.

who kills wilgy?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:36 am Who kills Esooa is the other question to have in mind

That's a fairly long list. She was widely town-read, I think.

My vote is on chop in spirit.

i'm surprised at how little i know about jack's behind-the-scenes presence as scum. i think we've only been teammates once, and i was a sub who got chopped almost immediately.

i say that as a nod of respect to them. absolute wild bois

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:25 am I dunno who, of the players I know, would intentionally let that happen if they could stop it tbh. It’s a weird counterfactual

LC and Mac are the only two on this roster who I could see noticing the omission and then saying "Yeah, send it out anyway lol." But I don't think that's what happened.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:12 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:10 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:43 am Is it realistic to think that the Enclave member holding that role would actually forget to include the name of their nightkill victim?

If this team is functioning like a normal team should, that message would have been peer reviewed in the team chat before it got sent out. Somebody should have noticed that Esooa's name was missing.
As a wise man once said: Mafia ChopChop doesn't run it by BTSC.
Night actions are usually highly coordinated tho
What are the chances that the other Enclave members said something like "Chop, send a message to Daisy or something and try to fish for a claim", and they don't review the exact wording?

that would depend on the teammates. I'm too much of a control freak to let a message like that go out without checking it myself. But not everyone would be so neurotic about it.

I feel like you would also be in that camp, along with spf. Ordinarily I'd say Epi, but I feel like he's taking it easy in this game regardless of alignment, so I don't know if he'd doublecheck his student's teammate's work for obvious errors right now. Something tells me nanook would be on alert.
Mac would be crafty enough to come up with the plan, but based on his thread presence he might not be tuned in enough to check the message before sending it out. I feel similar about LC and Marmot.

I don't know enough about the scum games of everyone else to say how they'd handle having that role in the hands of a teammate.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:08 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:39 am big brain theory is that chop and daisy are both enclave.
That is a big brain theory. But neither Chop nor Daisy are the kind to come up with a strategy this sneaky, which means there is a mastermind directing this sequence of events from BTSC. Esooa could, I could, neither of us are Enclave. Mac could be the mastermind, but it doesn't suit his style to go full Light Yagami in scum chat and afk in the thread.

Who do you think is the mastermind if this is true? I lean towards it not being true and Daisy just being town. The mix of paranoia and emotion in her post was struck very precisely, and it is not easy to fake.
I don't believe it's true.

but i could see lc pulling something like that. maayyyyybe epi or dom. it's got a very old school syndicate feel.

but i'm not seriously entertaining the theory.

if it's got an old school syndicate feel that I'd also have to include daisy's name on the list. let's not assume she's not a capable schemer.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:43 am Is it realistic to think that the Enclave member holding that role would actually forget to include the name of their nightkill victim?

If this team is functioning like a normal team should, that message would have been peer reviewed in the team chat before it got sent out. Somebody should have noticed that Esooa's name was missing.
As a wise man once said: Mafia ChopChop doesn't run it by BTSC.

Night actions are usually highly coordinated tho

oh or marmot.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:39 am big brain theory is that chop and daisy are both enclave.
That is a big brain theory. But neither Chop nor Daisy are the kind to come up with a strategy this sneaky, which means there is a mastermind directing this sequence of events from BTSC. Esooa could, I could, neither of us are Enclave. Mac could be the mastermind, but it doesn't suit his style to go full Light Yagami in scum chat and afk in the thread.

Who do you think is the mastermind if this is true? I lean towards it not being true and Daisy just being town. The mix of paranoia and emotion in her post was struck very precisely, and it is not easy to fake.

I don't believe it's true.

but i could see lc pulling something like that. maayyyyybe epi or dom. it's got a very old school syndicate feel.

but i'm not seriously entertaining the theory.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:56 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:46 am I want to keep hunting and trying to root out the well-concealed wolves in this game, but at the same time I feel like we were just handed the most obvious wolf we'll ever find in our entire mafia lives in ChopChop, and it would be inexcusable not to vote for him today.
I'm starting to wonder wtf happened in the last few pages.

oh right you're still catching up.

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