The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 5:28 pm
Sorry, my friend, but I meant you. You like direct references, I've noticed, so I'll pull some instances up.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:07 pm That said, I hesitate to scumread LC. I see your point, dunya, but I'm just not sure it means we're seeing scum!LC here.

Sometimes, when I'm trying to discern someone's motivations, I like to play a little game. I imagine the worst thing they could do, and then see if their actions support that conclusion. In this post, baddie MP applies nice mild buddying, while supporting the point that dunya made and was suspicious of. Further discussion of the topic also matches the profile of a baddie MP who, on one hand he kept the idea of my lynch in people's minds by discussing it a lot, and on the other hand he thought I was town and would say "RIP LC. I thought you were town."

Littlefinger's game is pure tunneling, and if you apply it to mafia you'll be the only townie in a sea of scum. If this is how you're looking at MP, it's no wonder you have a scum read on him.

I've only read up to this post so far, but i'm going to share one thought before I go any further: MP is town on volume alone. Nobody puts up this much fake content so quickly and effortlessly.

Speedchuck cast an interesting vote that no one is talking about. He voted for Long con to "facilitate an alternate bandwagon" to Bass, despite not having any personal reason to vote for LC. I am leaning toward liking this move. It's a bit bold and suggests that he is not overly concerned with his appearance and any potential scrutiny he might face and, while i don't ever encourage blind bandwagoning, I like that he took a stand which allowed the lynch to remain somewhat more open than if I had just hammered home another vote on the Bass wagon, in absence of a real suspicion to call his own.

Simon and dunya also voted for LC. Dunya's vote was early and she supported herself well. I don't recall seeing Simon explain his vote. Anyone have thoughts on any of these things?

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 2:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:42 pm

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:39 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?

I think this combined with his consumption of most of the day going round and round with LC makes him suspicious. To me at least.

Again, maybe the long-time players can correct me here, but it just seems fishy is all. I could easily be off base.

Hey, Mal.

Who is bad?

Not me?

Seriously, leaning towards MP and Eloh at this point. And maybe you, because you're posting.

Why MP? Why Eloh?

I took that as him putting a playfully intense emphasis on all his questions/demands for content. I could be wrong though.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:07 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?

Have your thoughts on LC progressed at all since you left yesterday?

I felt he got rather defensive, in an agitated sort of way, especially with MP who for the most part was defending him. I'm not sure yet how I interpret that.

It's pretty exciting and challenging playing with brand new people who I have no idea how they usually react so I'm reading other people's interpretations of character and posts and relying a bit on the info I get here and there of what seems odd and unlike their usual meta, etc.

I get what LC said, but somehow I just don't buy it that he was talking out of character in some OT banter just yet so I'll keep an eye on him.

Do you have any thoughts worth sharing on those of us you are familiar with?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 1:04 pm I don't like this voting for someone who doesn't post. I'm not saying MP is scummy because he initiated it, I just think it sucks for all. can't no shows be replaced with other players?

Have your thoughts on LC progressed at all since you left yesterday?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 12:57 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:43 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 11:20 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:27 pm

Diiny wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:22 pm gah no roleclaiming/outing really goes against my instincts

how have you found adapting, JJJ? iirc that's how the majority of games are played here

Does this post seem forced to anyone else?

I'm not necessarily scum-reading Diiny for it, but something is off. It just seems to me Diiny is struggling coming up with conversation, but it's striking to me that he singled out Jay only for this inquiry.

i doubt diiny has bstc

i meant dunya
confused y'all.

what is bstc and why do you doubt i have it?

Behind The Scenes Communication

EBWOP, let's pretend I know how to format things.

From what I recall, LC is a player who likes to be bold when he's scum. I remember a specific example from a fairly recent game, but which game it was and what exactly he did, I do not recall. It's there though. That said, I have a hard time agreeing with MP's assertion that a scum LC would "try everything possible" to avoid the spotlight. Generally a good rule to hunt by, but I don't think it applies to the player he was applying it to here:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:01 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pmI think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.

That's ridiculous. I didn't do anything risky by agreeing that it's weird to call Dhalsim an alien.

You are bad in this game, MP. I can smell it on you. You're trying too hard on this.

*vote MovingPictures07*

That said, I found this to be a bit of an aggressive reaction from LC. While things like this also seem typical of early-game Long Con, I can't not question him a little. While I did not find him suspicious for labeling my Dhalsim alien comments "weird", I don't think it's "ridiculous" for MP to have engaged in a discussion about it in the early parts of Day 1, and I think there absolutely exists an argument for him potentially "fanning the flames" of a possible suspicion against me. It's not the argument that I would support, but I would not deny its credibility. His post history after this is almost entirely MP & Diiny-related. He gets no pings from Diiny, but does not flinch on his "MP is definitely bad" position because of what he perceives to be a dishonest handling of the situation by our Sock Commander. I do not perceive this dishonesty. I'd ask LC if he can see any town motivations for MP to have pursued this line of discussion.

I'd also ask him for fresh reads on new players. Hey LC, got any thoughts on players not named MovingPictures or Diiny?
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From what I recall, LC is a player who likes to be bold when he's scum. I remember a specific example from a fairly recent game, but which game it was and what exactly he did, I do not recall. It's there though. That said, I have a hard time agreeing with MP's assertion that a scum LC would "try everything possible" to avoid the spotlight. Generally a good rule to hunt by, but I don't think it applies to the player he was applying it to here:

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:01 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pmI think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.

That's ridiculous. I didn't do anything risky by agreeing that it's weird to call Dhalsim an alien.

You are bad in this game, MP. I can smell it on you. You're trying too hard on this.

*vote MovingPictures07*

That said, I found this to be a bit of an aggressive reaction from LC. While things like this also seem typical of early-game Long Con, I can't not question him a little. While I did not find him suspicious for labeling my Dhalsim alien comments "weird", I don't think it's "ridiculous" for MP to have engaged in a discussion about it in the early parts of Day 1, and I think there absolutely exists an argument for him potentially "fanning the flames" of a possible suspicion against me. It's not the argument that I would support, but I would not deny its credibility. His post history after this is almost entirely MP & Diiny-related. He gets no pings from Diiny, but does not flinch on his "MP is definitely bad" position because of what he perceives to be a dishonest handling of the situation by our Sock Commander. I do not perceive this dishonesty. I'd ask LC if he can see any town motivations for MP to have pursued this line of discussion.

I'd also ask him for fresh reads on new players. Hey LC, got any thoughts on players not named MovingPictures or Diiny?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 9:48 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 28, 2017 8:50 am @Speedchuck

What do you think of Eloh?

ISO'd her just now.

I give it 65% odds she's bad.

Why?

Voting Bass. Don't lynch me.

Diiny wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:29 pm MP: Why did you agree that jay is a neutral read and then say he's the scummiest non-lurker? I've read your explenation which makes me question why you agreed with me that he was neutral.

And I do have the weirds for MP but now more people have showed up and I need to grill them.

And now that there are other bandwagons forming I think I'm safe in saying that I completely agree with JJJ re sloonei. When I was scum with him in AOL he was very much off topic and then defensive. It's what I bussed him for, anyway. It's not much to go on, but for day 1 it's voteable. Considering him for my vote. Also makes me feel safer re JJJ.

Gonna grill these guys before voting though.

Would you say that this is an accurate description of my posts in this game?

I may vote Bass to save myself if I have to, but I'm also still at work and can't really engage wih stuff.

@ MP: diiny is my first town read of the game. I like the way he started aggressovely flinging poo at the earlieat opportunity.
I'm heading out now. Sorry for only being briefly active, i'll do better later.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:15 pm To reiterate/clarify a point I made earlier: I don't think Jack was being serious about his desire to vote for me. His temptation to vote for me boiled down to a "That's racist, man!" joke. I read nothing into it. That it was then picked up, apparently, by speedchuck and Long Con is something worth pursuing in the absence of anything more substantial.

Linki x100: Stop posting so I can post!

I think I agree, but I simultaneously also hesitate to scum-read speedchuck or LC for doing something so brazen. Again this is anecdotal, but in my mind more often than not, most people who play scum roles try everything possible to get the spotlight off of them on Day 1, not put it on them. And what speedchuck and LC did was risky if they're scum.

I certainly don't scum read either of them this early in the game for something so minor (pay no attention to my vote). We all need to start somewhere, and they chose to start with me. Let's follow that and see where it goes.

Or we can follow diiny's posts from earlier in the game. I missed the energy he brings to the table and he dove right into stuff as soon as he could.

To reiterate/clarify a point I made earlier: I don't think Jack was being serious about his desire to vote for me. His temptation to vote for me boiled down to a "That's racist, man!" joke. I read nothing into it. That it was then picked up, apparently, by speedchuck and Long Con is something worth pursuing in the absence of anything more substantial.

Linki x100: Stop posting so I can post!

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 6:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:37 pm Sloonei, your responses to basic-tier poop flings of the Day 0/1 variety strike me as timidly playful. You answered them literally but did not attempt to explore the accusers themselves. WHY?

The poop itself seemed playful to me. The only thing in question was my perceptipn of a character in a video game I played as a child. I'll defend 8 year old Sloonei to the grave.

Speedchuck's vote was eye-catching, though. It looked as if he was just piggybacking off of a jab thrown by another player. I forgot speed games have 24 hour phases now and was gonna wait til later in the day to pressure him.

Re speedchuck. I got the impression it was an inside joke between you guys where you fooled him in the past. That's why I asked.

We've played together in the past, but I can't think of anything that would have inspired such vigilant scrutiny from him. I don't mind being watched, but I put a vote on him because that vote of his is the thing that stood out most to me so far, and I need to leave in a half hour.
My mafia clock is stuck on 48 hour phases. I'll need to adjust to this pace.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:37 pm Sloonei, your responses to basic-tier poop flings of the Day 0/1 variety strike me as timidly playful. You answered them literally but did not attempt to explore the accusers themselves. WHY?

The poop itself seemed playful to me. The only thing in question was my perceptipn of a character in a video game I played as a child. I'll defend 8 year old Sloonei to the grave.

Speedchuck's vote was eye-catching, though. It looked as if he was just piggybacking off of a jab thrown by another player. I forgot speed games have 24 hour phases now and was gonna wait til later in the day to pressure him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:11 pm I'm watching you Sloon. Always watching.

Let me know when I do something.

Listen, I only ever played X-men vs. Streetfighter and in that game Dhalsim was a levitating blue elastic man who breathed fire and I was 8 years old. What was I supposed to think?

That stings a little.

Dhalsim's a cool alien monk thing, I was never sure.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:16 am I mean... I like Akuma... and I'm trying to get into tekken 7... and... ok...

Wilgy is not a doctor, noted.