The Syndicate

That said, i'll at least be hovering around at EOD.

I don't have much urgency today. Our numbers are great and I feel confident in the 2-man/rodent POE. If we're wrong today, tomorrow is on the horizon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:13 pm Why are we speculating about NVN's vote being forced, and which vote are we talking about?
I would presume his vote for Marmot last phase, otherwise I don't get it either. I would hardly even get that.

yeah, neither of these make sense to me. If it's this phase, why is he being forced to vote for the person he would probably have voted for regardless, and what makes the speculation viable at all? If it's yesterday's vote, he voted for Long Con initially. That doesn't make sense mechanically, and he's also provided justification for the vote change and stuck by it today.

Why are we speculating about NVN's vote being forced, and which vote are we talking about?

That was my phone deciding to post before I was done typing, but I guess "why" functions adequately enough.

Why is it preferable to leave this lynch in the rabi's hands?

FZ. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:49 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:47 pm Why are we splitting the votes and making it all *insert shrug emoji*

I’m voting NVN, cause duh.

On phone now, will probably be able to read and comment when home
We're going to let the rabi decide, assuming he's still alive. He's closer to god, maybe he'll have some divine help...

Why

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:42 pm That's for later.

Whatcha gonna do?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:34 pm And yet you are voting for him.

With 7 hours to go

My principal hangup on NVN is that he's an unfamiliar player. I don't if the parts of his game that I have difficulty following are that way because he's suspicious, or simply because I don't know what he's like as a player. I can read Marmot a little bit, and I've felt mildly good about him since Day 1, but never anything better than that. Now that I feel I can nearly narrow my pool down to just Marmot and the newcomer (Daisy and wilgy are still in the peripheries, but they're not the focus), I find myself feeling more like NVN is the low-hanging fruit and scapegoat instead if thr final baddie.

FZ. wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:59 pm Is Marmot the kind of player that would vote a team mate without a problem?

I think so.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 3:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:43 am @novaselinenever @Marmot @DrWilgy @Spacedaisy Tell us who should be lynched today. I'm pretty sure it's one of you four. Help me figure out which one by not being it.
Fuck it. Kill the Marmot.

Why?

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] what's your read on spacedaisy?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:43 pm I have him as the last Mafia. He was going back and forth with Mac and had his vote on him but when I voted him last day phase, he jumped the wagon on me. He dropped his case against Mac. He's probably seeing me as an easy way to get a mislynch.

why am I not the last mafia?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:44 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:41 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:07 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:35 pmMac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?
I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.
NVN, this was your response when I asked for your thoughts about Mac and Marmot. The first paragraph implies that you think they are mafia partners, but the premise of this post and your second paragraph insist that they are one mafia and one 3rd party player. I don't understand how these thoughts align with one another. Can you help me out here?
It's when Marmot stopped going after Mac and jumped the wagon on me. He saw me as an easy mislynch and tried to save LC, his scum buddy. He's still going on this day phase and stopped completely his quarrel against Mac.

That's not something you talked about at all in this post. Your accusation in this post was that Marmot is 3rd party. How does that align with you calling him a scum read for his pursuit of you right now?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:07 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 2:35 pmMac 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
Marmot 2nd Mafia/3rd Party
I'm interested in these reads, NVN. You list them both as potentially being either mafia or 3rd party. what stands out about these two, and which do you think is more likely to be mafia, and which is more likely to be 3rd party?
I've been following their quarrel since the beginning of the game. There isn't a lot of substance behind it, it just felt like two scum going at each other and trying to gain Town credits by lynching a scum.
I'm leaning towards Macdougall being the Mafia and Marmot being the 3rd Party. I didn't like how he put his vote on Marmot early D1. His whole reasoning was based on the fact that he usually find Mafia that are missed by most people. He even admitted that Marmot's content read Town but his scum read was a gut feeling lol.

NVN, this was your response when I asked for your thoughts about Mac and Marmot. The first paragraph implies that you think they are mafia partners, but the premise of this post and your second paragraph insist that they are one mafia and one 3rd party player. I don't understand how these thoughts align with one another. Can you help me out here?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:37 pm I don't really have anything to say. You guys to what you think is best. Even by mislynching today, we could still win comfortably.

You're the third person to use this defense.

why did you vote for marmot?

linki: yeah that

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention], got anything to say at all?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 2:04 pm I think nova is clearly the final mafia.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:46 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:42 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:25 am Where's the Long Con defender?
She's dead.
And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.
Who might that be ?
U
Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.
In this post, he claimed to exhibit a pattern of behavior yesterday. That pattern seems to be being forced to make a case and vote for me.

Nova is still voting for me today. That means he thinks that I forced him to make a case on and vote for me yesterday. I don't think he believes that happened. I think he self-inflicted that punishment.

That post from nova threw me off for sure. I'd been at work all day and I came in with that half-hearted jab, and his response was to imply there was some vindicating truth about him in the thread. I wondered if maybe I'd missed something. Now that I've been here and had time to look at things, I'm no closer to understanding what he was talking about.

My two biggest suspects today have each cast votes: a silent vote from one against the other (NVN on Marmot) and a silly, stubborn one that's probably not even fully related to this game (Marmot on me). I don't know what to do with either of these things.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 1:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:37 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:21 pm "These are my suspects. I want them to lynch other while I kick back and sit some tea."

Thanks but no thanks.
Who do you think it is?
Putin's Roof.

Vote for someone. It can't be me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2018 12:21 pm "These are my suspects. I want them to lynch other while I kick back and sit some tea."

Thanks but no thanks.

Who do you think it is?

we'll get up on that roof for you, nutella.

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention] [mention]Marmot[/mention] [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] Tell us who should be lynched today. I'm pretty sure it's one of you four. Help me figure out which one by not being it.

NVN dropped a silent vote on Marmot.

My vote is starting the day on [mention]novaselinenever[/mention].

I propose that we all shut up for Day 4 and make the POE suspects (NVN, Daisy, Marmot, & Wilgy) figure it out on their own.

Alright yeah i'd vote for NVN.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:55 pm
FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 5:54 pm Can we just lynch Nova next day and hope for the best?
He's my top pick right now and it isn't especially close.

I've got no reason to not want to lynch him, but what separates him so much from the rest of the pack?

At the moment I think I'd pick between daisy and marmot for tomorrow, but I'm hardly sure on that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:37 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:35 pm what is "operation trust fall"?
You coined the term! this thing
hell yes. validation.

i love getting credit for naming things that I forgot about.

let's do this.

I can't be around to oversee it during the night phase though.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:35 pm what is "operation trust fall"?

You coined the term! this thing

I think we're in a place where Operation Trust Fall would be beneficial.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 3:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:45 pm I think it's interesting that there's been so much fringe attention paid to Marmot and Mac today. LC is the consensus top suspect, Daisy and NVN have received a good deal of scrutiny, and I've been loudly hanging onto my Kyle thing. But nearly all of the focus once you get past those names has been on that M&M pairing. The two of them have been pointing at each other since last night, Long Con came in pushing Mac as his top suspect, and NVN is pushing the two of them as suspects after Long Con. It's too soon to know what to make of it exactly, but it's something I want to make note of now so it can be looked into later on when we have more solid information to work with.
Sloonei, do you feel like the focus on Mac/Marmot was a distraction then on the part of NVN and LC? Or are you thinking there was some distancing going on, or what? What exactly did you find interesting about this? And how do you think the LC flip affects the fact they got so much attention yesterday?

More on my reading when I am done.

At this point I see it as an alternative angle to LC's lynch, which we know was pushed by at least one scum (LC himself) and could have been at least loosely picked up by this partner. This could implicate NVN or Marmot. I think it could also implicate you, unfortunately. Or LC was just being opportunistic when the Mac/Marmot drama crept into the thread.

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Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 8:47 pm My biggest beef here that I just can't get past is that in yesterday's lynch, no one (except Mac) asked why it was going down the way it did. The person who was lynched had 4 posts, one of which was only an emoji post. Three posts out of 19 pages of content and conversation. That is who was lynched. And after the lynch flip, no one seemed the least bit interested in discussing who voted for the person that flipped civ and why, or what votes looked bad. No one but me. So ask yourselves, why is that? The fact that conversation went immediately back to the same shit they talked about all day yesterday instead of focusing on the new information that could provide new basis of questioning and consideration says to me that at least one of the top three voices in this thread did not want to talk about that vote. And I could see it even being two of the top three with how quickly conversation about the vote was killed after the flip.

Sloonei was right in that my catching up did impact my view of him. I believe I see someone who was/is tunneling on Kyle, incorrectly I believe. And who was in a self preservation mode. I don't think he is the real reason Daisy 1.0 was lynched. My stream of consciousness post doesn't reflect this because that was just taking each post as it came,once I looked at the whole it changed my opinion. I actually agree with Jay's criticism of my thoughts on Sloonei's case. If Sloonei was bad he surely would have abandoned this by now.

Right now my eye is firmly on Jay. He changed his vote with barely any conversation. I just can't get over the fact that Jay voted for me, without any hesitation or discussion about the fact I said I was going to be gone, or that there were plenty of other good suspicions that were rolling around. It just doesn't look good to me at all. And I feel like he was a major contributor to shifting the focus back onto Kyle/Sloonei. his post after I flipped? "Oh well,plenty of time to regroup and review." And he has not really reviewed anything at all since then. He has done little more than retread old ground. I am super unimpressed with him.

Now I'm about to tinfoil on you all, so bear with me. I am eyeing Epi as his possible partner in the bs. Epi tried to tell me that I was in the thread and I watched Sloonei building a case on me but I didn't say anything. He actually tried to blame me for the fact I didn't post until right as the poll ended. I ask you, does anyone in here think that a civ or a baddie will sit and follow the thread, read a case being thrown at them, watch as the votes start piling on, and just not say anything? Even more, can anyone recall a time I have ever done that? Why would anyone do that?

Consider the two of them together, Day 1 Epi throws major shit at Jay, Jay throws back. They both take these definitive stances in thread, but do either of them vote for the other? Nope. Night 1, both of them do the same again. Each declaring they are going to vote for the other but where are the votes now? Not on either of them. Frankly it reads more like a bromance than real accusations. It looks like fun and games, not serious accusations.

I really believe Jay is bad. I feel that Epi or Sloonei is likely his partner based on how the thread went after Daisy 1.0 died. But I lean Epi on that more than Sloonei. I feel like they are keeping sloonei in this position to be possibly mislynched. I don't feel as confident in the teammates theory as I do about Jay being bad though. I think that is the best place to start.

Here is the way my rainbow currently looks:

Daisy 2.0
Kyle
Mac
Wilgy
Dyslexicon

FZ.
Long Con

Lorab
Marmot
NVN

Sloonei
Speed
Nutella

Epi
Jay

Thoughts on some of my yellows and oranges. Lorab, I guess I don't know why it is others are pinged by there, so I would welcome someone to share it with me. I don't have a read on either her or Marmot. I mean I could gut read Marmot a little higher, but I'm afraid it would be based on his emotional appeals and last time I went with that I lost the game for the civs in Phenon. NVN, nothing to base a read on. If this were a GTH I would say bad but only as a kind of default settting. I would love to hear more from him.

I have said enough about Sloonei. i contemplated whether he was an orange or a red, but I feel like he moved up a notch for me once I was past the initial shock of everything and then had time to read how it all went down. Speedchuck was a toughie, I would go back and forth with nearly every post I read from him. One post I would be like, yeah that sounds very civ minded. Only to be followed by a post that was super shady almost immediately. In the end it was his vote post that put him into the orange bracket for me. I don't like how he tried to avoid responsibility for anything, even the very vote he was placing as he placed it. No, that was shady man. Nutella feels more aggressive and more like baddie nutella to me. Her wanting to come in and vote Epi right off feels unlike her civ play. She is usually more open to hearing cases and information and considering everything. I don't see that here. I find that worrisome.

Dyslexicon, I don't see why so many people are bad reading her. Between her and Mac, everything they were saying was like my gut immediately responded with, yep that is a civ post. I am shocked by how many are finding her bad. I don't know if I have played with her before so is there something I am missing about her meta or something that is making people feel this way?

I've already explained where I am on Kyle. Mac I went back and forth between slight town read and strong town read. I only had trouble because every post he makes regarding things happening in the thread I get. It reads true and he says the stuff i can't understand why no one else is saying. My problem comes with the fact that his words don't line up with his actions. In the end though, I think that is more likely to be how a civ behaves than a baddie. civs may go with their gut in the moment and make a poor choice even if they pointed out the problem before hand. But a baddie is going to want to look consistent, otherwise it makes people question them. Finally Wilgy, this is a complete tone read for me. In a recent game I kept thinking how weird I thought Wilgy was acting, but no one else seemed to think so. I dismissed it and guess who turned out to be bad? Wilgy. I don't get the same vibe from him here and feel really comfortable putting him as a solid green.

I guess the only two left are FZ and LC. IT's kind of funny, I have the same problem with both of them. They seem to really be picking apart how people are wording things. It may be because I have been the one to have how I worded something picked apart. I put very little stock in it, because I think it's rarely an indication of anything. The difference between the two is FZ felt more sincere to me in how she was reading something into Kyle's posts on Day 1. I lean slight town on her. LC I pretty much felt no read on until his case on Speedchuck. Maybe my problem with LC is I don't get him very well, we rarely seem to think alike. When we do I find it reassuring. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or not though lol.

Well there you go folks. All my thoughts. From both before I replaced in and up to the present.

This is the first time Daisy2.0 mentions either LC or LoRab. Her read of LoRab is a shrug with an invitation for others to share their reads with her. I don't object too strongly to her. There wasn't much content available from LoRab at the time and I don't think anybody had a firm read on her at this point. She gives a tentative scum-seeming read on LC, but lists him as the lightest shade of green on her rainbow. I can see some genuine townie reflection in here, but the wishywashy nature of both of Daisy's reads on the now-dead scum can be read as cautious scummy fence-sitting. I'd probably lean town on her here though.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:41 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:39 pm I'm voting for LoRab
Interesting, why Lorab?

"Interesting". what was "interesting" about my decision to vote for LoRab, daisy? Pretend I asked this in Epignosis' voice.
Daisy ultimately decided to vote for nutella this day. Her justification and non-game distractions have already been discussed in some detail.

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Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 11:15 pm Alright, well I've been trying to keep up throughout the day while I was working. I took a nap when I got home and accidentally slept for three hours! :eep: I'm here now though, sorry guys. I'm going to try and post my thoughts about the people discussed today.

This day has been weird. Mac posted a request to read something about Marmot a while ago, I didn't at the time but I will go back and do that after I post here. Mainly because I don't quite understand why he is so sure of Marmot. I really haven't felt much of anything about Marmot. So maybe I'm missing something there. I'll post more on him once I read what Mac has said.

I would like to say I suspect Kyle, because everyone seems to think he and I are equally suspicious based on our actions, but I just don't. Everything Kyle says reads like sincere Kyle to me. Lorab's flip didn't change that. And the fact he isn't swung by self preservation just to say "It must be Daisy" either just makes me feel that much more like he is sincere and trying to find actual baddies.

I don't think Mac is bad, despite Marmot's no u. :shrugs:

This leaves me with LC. The thing I can't get past is Epi's case about the vote LC placed yesterday coupled with the fact Lorab didn't vote to save herself. I can't think of a single good reason not to vote to save yourself if you are in a lynch tied with a civ. No one would think less of someone who casts a self preservation vote. So why didn't she?

NVN, I don't know what to think of him. Nothing and then a bunch of posts in self defense. I didn't even think he (? correct me if I am wrong) was even actually playing. I was actually kind of worried the stuff in the early game had driven him off. I would say he would be a second suspect for me, the timing of the sudden activity combined with the voting shenanigans has me questioning. I still think I feel more confident in LC though. I mean if NVN were bad, he could have kept right on laying low and it would have taken a while for PoE to get to him. I don't know. LC is more suspicious to me.

I'm going to go ahead and put a vote on LC and then go back and look at Mac's case again.

*Votes LC*

I don't love this post. I almost get a nervous sense from it. Daisy took a lot of time fumbling over people who might be suspects before she was "left with" LC. At this point, a teammate attempting to defend LC would be a giant red siren.gif, so in the universe where Daisy is scum she kind of has to go along with LC's lynch. She defers to other people's cases as if they are irrefutable as justification for her LC vote, but surrounds this commentary with a lot of waffly reads on others: "I would to sasy I suspect Kyle, but I just don't"; "I don't know what to think of NVN"; and that whole first paragraph about the Mac/Marmot relationship doesn't seem to go anywhere. In making this accusation, I am reminded of my own justification for voting Daisy Day 1, so that's something to be careful of. Still, this is not an extremely encouraging post. There was very little mention of either LC or LoRab prior to the hear against either of them. Daisy appeared to make an attempt to interact with the LoRab case, but never followed up on it at all. She mostly seems to have ignored LC until he had one foot in the grave. Not a totally inspiring look, and based solely on these relationships I could see Daisy as scum.

I see her in the linki. I'll go ahead and post this anyway and then see what she's saying.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:49 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:46 pm Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?
we're lynching drwilgy.
I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.
what would be the fastest way to end the game?
Not lynching me. All I'm saying is that if we go to Lylo and I'm still a variable, it will be harder victory than if I'm purged before.
not if you shake off that variable status. If it was lylo right now, who would you vote for?
Lol fuck Idk. Haven't really read past night 1 and the occasional pop in. I'll try to get some views but I make no promises.

Daisy and NVN would be good places to start if you prefer to get into it with some ISOs. Both of them are reasonable suspects who haven't made a ton of posts yet.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:46 pm Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?
we're lynching drwilgy.
I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.
what would be the fastest way to end the game?
Not lynching me. All I'm saying is that if we go to Lylo and I'm still a variable, it will be harder victory than if I'm purged before.

not if you shake off that variable status. If it was lylo right now, who would you vote for?

Spacedaisy, NVN, wilgy, and kyle are the players I will look into next if I have time. I still feel like Kyle is town based on his speedchuck slip, but I'm not ready to remove him from the POE based on that.

Mac's still the tinfoil suspect in my list of town reads. I'd also add you (FZ.) to my top tier of town reads given the wedge there was between you and LC. That relationship absolutely does not strike me as bussing. I also am having more and more trouble reading Dyslexicon as scum. The game makes more sense if she's town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:07 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:46 pm Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?
we're lynching drwilgy.
I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.
Too late man. I'm already lynched tomorrow.

No you're not. Help us catch the last baddie.

FZ. wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 2:13 pm I've played several games with Mac. I only recall one where he was bad, maybe there was another one. Problem is, I remember him being very "useful" to the town that game. I think it was the first game I've ever played with him. I often feel about him that he has the "I don't give a shit" attitude when he's good, and he gives these sort of answers that imply he's doing his own thing and doesn't really care what you think. This game he feels like he cares a lot. The thing is, I haven't played for a long time and maybe I forgot games he was this serious as a civ. So I want people who know him to tell me whether there's something in what I'm saying. If he's good, I think he deserves a win here just as much as any of us, so I don't want us to lynch him. But if he's bad, he's doing a fabulous job and it will be similar to the one I've played with him back then

I don't think this is always a reliable meta for mac, though I've seen it in the past as well. Most of my meta read on him is ancient though. With recent context, I could see a more focused and "helpful" town Mac in this game because he was just mislynched in Mortal Kombat.

Marmot & LC

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:27 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:24 pm Hey, just got off work, and I'm 8 pages behind. I'll try to hang out here in the present a little while I catch up.
Things will be more interesting if you vote for me.
OK, I'll vote for Marmot, and we'll see if it's still there in an hour and a half.

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Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:34 pm no linki was given
Sometimes the linki giveth. Sometimes it taketh.
You outclassed me with the spoiler tags too. Maybe it's time to retire.

Playful banter

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Indirect defense of Marmot via discrediting of Mac.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:14 am Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.

More of the same.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:19 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:15 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:14 am Well, right now it looks like he's shoehorning Marmot into lynch position for dubious reasons.
Do you read Marmot as town?
GTH yes. I haven't been pinged by him. Lazy play, despite what Macdougall is saying, isn't much of a baddie tell for Marmot.

This town read did not come out of LC easily. I had to ask, and then it came qualified as a GTH read, as if he's not comfortable expressing the read. Not thrilled by this.

This conversation continued in a similar fashion. I'll leave the posts out for the sake of presentation, but they're there in LC's post history if anyone wants a look. I don't think any of this looks great for Marmot. There's hardly any direct interaction, and what little there is and far from serious. LC's attack against Macdougall on Day 3 was built around Mac's treatment of Marmot, but LC wasn't totaly forthcoming with a read of Marmot himself. I could see this as being "too obvious" of a teammate interaction, but I could also see it as simply being teammates interacting.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:46 pm Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?
we're lynching drwilgy.
I don't think we are close to Lylo. I'm ok with this if it makes for an easier game.

what would be the fastest way to end the game?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:46 pm Good job y'all. Sorry I was afk. What's happening this time?

we're lynching drwilgy.

I just typed a big interactive analysis of Mac/LC and just as I was finishing it up my laptop did a dumb thing that ancient laptops are prone to do and I lost it all. My conclusion was that LC pushed hard against Mac all game except for one odd post after LoRab's lynch, and that this would normally be a very good look for Mac if I wasn't dealing with Macdougall and Long Con. They're absolutely two players who would hard distance from each other in a game, especially if they could add a layer of wifom by referencing the fact that they've already employed this exact strategy before as scum partners. Ordinarily I say that any case that has no evidence in its favor beyond wifom is not a strong one, but that theory gets an asterisk with certain players.

If I'm forced to pick a side, I do think Mac looks good in LC's ISO. Especially on Day 3, when it was not certain that LC was getting lynched and he still had a fighting chance, Mac was the player LC pushed. That push started weakly and grew into something more substantial. I don't think LC was a dead man walking for all of Day 3, and so I don't think he was willing to just punt the game away for himself at the beginning. His proposed alternative in that situation would have been someone he'd genuinely want to see lynched in his place. Mac has been firmly entrenched as a town read all game, and if he's LC's last partner then it's risky to potentially dislodge him for a wifomy save that wouldn't be guaranteed to be effective.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 1:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:50 am Look at who is not on Long Con wagon. Nova and Marmot.

I feel like it would be a bit dumb to not be on his wagon.
I was on his wagon very early on and gave my reads on him. I wanted to go after Marmot, they were enough people going after LC already

why did you want to go after marmot?

Scum shall win nevermore.

Let's find that last baddie. LC pushed Mac today. So did Marmot. I wouldn't be surprised if one of then is it. Probably Marmot.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:46 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:42 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:25 am Where's the Long Con defender?
She's dead.
And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.
Who might that be ?
U
Expected better reads from you man. I think it's really obvious what happened to me this cycle and what my alignment is.

I do not know what you are referring to. But my mind is far from made up anyway. You might be my top suspect going into tomorrow. We will see.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:43 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:42 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:25 am Where's the Long Con defender?
She's dead.
And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.
Who might that be ?
U
I don't think so but it could be.

I'd lynch several people before Nova at this point.

I'd lynch a couple of people before kyle.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 23, 2018 12:25 am Where's the Long Con defender?
She's dead.
And his other teammate has given him to the wolves.
Who might that be ?

U

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