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- Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:25 pm
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I have no read on speedchuck in relation to any of the revealed members of either mafia team. Of the posts quoted by michelle (thank you and good work compiling those, michelle!), the general trend is that speed is expressing skepticism of every case but I don't see him really chomping down on anything, which is not the best look. I understand and appreciate that speed is on a tight schedule, but that does not tell me anything about his alignment. I have no clear sense of where his head is at in this game.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:22 pm
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Has this salad been observed yet? This is salad. I observe it.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:05 amspeedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:02 pm I would, right now, vote sig, TH, Mac, and anyone who has appealed to emotion. I would murder the emotion right out of this game.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:20 pm
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Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:05 amspeedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:32 pmI dunno, I was suspicious of Sig for a reason I think. Let me look back.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:04 pm Of those names, I’m not sure one in particular stands out. I think Sig’s vote was the most egregious, but his macro play of all those names has been the greenest. At the moment I’m not entirely sure where I’d place a vote (and obviously can’t anyway), but GTH I’d say Sabie. Also not a fan of Mac’s play on this – inconsistent and never landed on the wagon or, conversely, showed progression away from it. Just blew on the sparks a bit.
Ah, yes, it was his crappity crap reasons for still wanting to lynch nutella after Jack recanted. He overcompenisated for his position by throwing a bunch of bad reasons in with the good.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:25 pm
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I believed more in the cases against Radishes and sig than the case against Mac.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:01 pm
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I do not propose that we ignore it. I’m just saying that it’s an incomplete picture for me.
Based on the content in this thread alone, I like the direction of Michelle’s posts better than speedchuck’s, if that serves as an answer to your question.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:54 pm
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We have this thread.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:47 pm
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Neither scenario is impossible, especially in a game like this one. A teammate could decide in one moment that bussing is a good idea, but then later decide that they can take advantage of the viable counterwagon. Without access to the actual game thread, I can’t really judge these votes.G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:40 pm Other behavior to consider:
-Michelle voted for Mac on D3 when it was ‘obvious’ to vote for him. On D2, she voted away from the two lead trains.
-Speed voted for Mac on D2 when voting Mac was less of a sure thing. On D3, he hopped aboard the Sig Express.
Which is more likely- a baddie voting away from a teammate on D2 when they’re not exposed but then soft bussing the day it helps to fit into the crowd, or voting for your teammate on a day when you don’t really have to but then chasing the new hottness that might buy your teammate another day?
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:43 pm
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I don’t think it’s impossible that there could have been a busser somewhere in the last two days. I’d say it’s unlikely that sig was bussed yesterday, but radishes or mac could have been at any time.G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:33 pm On Day1, we know that Team Master had it easy. It was Team Anti vs 3P. Day 2 Mac was a suspect but not as glaringly as on Day 3. I suspect that Team Master was more likely to have a member or two voting on the Mac train to stay blended in the crowd.
Unknown Day 2 Radish (Team Anti) Voters:
-Tony
-JJJ
-Sloonei
-Epi
-Juliets
-Colin
-Turnip
Unknown Day 3 Sig (Team Anti) Voters:
-Colin
-Sloonei
-Dom
-Speed
-JJJ
-Juliets
So if we assume that there is a baddie in our midst, then there’s a higher probability of him or her being on Team Master.
My rough vote analysis suggests to me that it’s one of Juliets, JJJ, and Sloonei because of their two-day ‘avoidance’ of Team Master trains.
Thoughts?
By sheer numbers it’s more likely that we have a mac teammate here than a sig teammate.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:38 pm
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Nutella, but she always says that. I think Jack was also vocal about it too, and Tony was dropping vague suggestions that I was a suspect. I don’t recall seeing many details about a case against me.speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:42 am Someone was saying Sloonei was likely on a mafia team in the main thread a while ago, but I don't remember the details at all.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:35 pm
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I didn’t uncover many points about the players in our thread. I don’t think G-man or speedchuck came up at all in the section of Mac’s ISO that I got to. I leaned favorably on you and Jay, and had that lone point about michelle as well.juliets wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:23 am I find the Interactive analyses more helpful than VCA in this game. I'm hoping @JaggedJimmyJay and Sloonei can remember some of what they did as pertains to the people in this group. The only one I remember is that S~V~S had high compatibility with Mac (I remember that one because it was recent and I was seeing S~V~S as town) but that one is no longer relevant.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:32 pm
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Hello, I never said I suspect you. I said I don’t have a read on you. My vote right now is not determined by suspicion, but by the player I’d like to sort the most.Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 4:52 amYou suspect him and you are voting me? How this works? Asking from curiosity..Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:10 pm G-man is the player in our midst who I've had the most substantial reason to suspect, but I started to cool on that as yesterday wore on. Without the luxury of the other thread, I can't review his posts for interactions with sabie/radishes/sig right now. If G-man is mafia, I link him directly to Radishes (and the other two by extension), which would make him the Anti-Monitor, which means he begins each day with -2 votes. A player beginning each day with a handicap like that might play differently. Votes are less worrisome, but heavy suspicion is a problem. Does anyone have any thoughts about G-man's viability as that role? I... don't know what that those thoughts would look like in a thread environment where there's no access to past days.
Because the cyan tolds me you don't have on GMan a better read than for me.
And between a possible wolf in your eyes who is active and really playing you choose to vote an inactive who didn't have influential posts on the game but helped to lynch 2 wolves. Do I look like the happy busser im any of these teams?
G-man has not been much more active than you, if at all. What is your read on him, if you have one?
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:49 am
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I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ISO WHEN I LOST ACCESS TO THE MAIN THREAD, LITERALLY A BROKEN AND UNWINNABLE GAMEJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:47 amwe should complain about everythingSloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:46 ami'm amused that we're in this together.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:43 am It's neat to be dreaming! After hosting the game twice and never getting to participate, this is excellent.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:47 am
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I completely forgot that private voting was a thing. That does change things. Either way, I see no benefit in approaching this day as anything other than a regular game of mafia, but with a reduced pool.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:42 am I have no idea what mechanical wrinkles LC and BR have installed for their version of Inception. There's already one key difference: we are in a new thread and presumably new dream level, but we have a poll. None of the private voting hoopla that everyone found so enjoyable is in effect -- and those mechanics were necessary to facilitate the "kicks". Without that, it's possible there's a real lynch at work here. Who knows. I suggest we proceed with that assumption, or more generally just lynch a suspect the way we would any ordinary lynch. In the real game people goofed around in the lower levels to their detriment out of uncertainty.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:46 am
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i'm amused that we're in this together.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 1:43 am It's neat to be dreaming! After hosting the game twice and never getting to participate, this is excellent.
- Fri Mar 06, 2020 12:45 am
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Alright cool. I'll speculate that this role's *secrets* triggered the current phase. Sig is on the way out, and this role (the character, at least) is borrowed from Inception Mafia. In that game the mafia team wanted to achieve inception by having one of their members survive a lynch at Limbo, the bottom dream level. If that is the case here, SVS may have swung a giant baguette straight into the nutsack of that plan by revealing sig. Our thread feels too large to be "limbo" but also too small to be a direct split along the same lines that original Inception followed. Sig is not here. His teammate might be.Architect - Each night, you will switch two players, so that each is hit by the player targeting the other. *secrets*
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:42 pm
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I might be willing to interpret the underlined text as implying that there are three threads right now. Ours is called "A Dream Within a Dream", which might suggest that we are at the bottom. Idk. That might just be a generic tagline too. The bottom level was called Limbo in the original game.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:32 pm
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Is SVS essentially a stump now?
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:29 pm
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i also need to get back to work on school junk. let's all bail.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:29 pm
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3 people vote for youG-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:27 pmOk, but there’s six of us. How do you plan on getting that sixth vote elsewhere? Trust?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:26 pmI'm against any plan that suggests we shouldn't scum hunt.G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:24 pm Okay then. Let’s make a pact to lynch me in the abscess of figuring anything out. I feel like there isn’t an obvious suspect among us.
I did manage to take a screenshot of a post Michelle made, color-coding the first three lynches. I can try to recreate that here. That might help us.
The roles listed suggest SVS and nutella 2 were civ and sig bad, so I will start there.
That said, we could see what happens if we try to lynch G-man by a tally of 3-2.
2 people vote for someone else
1 person dicks around
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:27 pm
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"suggests" makes it seem like i'm accusing g-man of trying to stifle activity. That's not what I meant. But vote-parking could stunt the hunt and I don't want that.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:26 pm
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I'm against any plan that suggests we shouldn't scum hunt.G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:24 pm Okay then. Let’s make a pact to lynch me in the abscess of figuring anything out. I feel like there isn’t an obvious suspect among us.
I did manage to take a screenshot of a post Michelle made, color-coding the first three lynches. I can try to recreate that here. That might help us.
The roles listed suggest SVS and nutella 2 were civ and sig bad, so I will start there.
That said, we could see what happens if we try to lynch G-man by a tally of 3-2.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:21 pm
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I forgot about G-man's pledge to collect votes. That might actually be a point in favor of him being the anti-monitor. A player with -2 votes doesn't need to worry about gathering a little momentum, especially if doing so distracts attention away from his partner. But that also risks exposing himself if the wagon takes off and he survives when he shouldn't have.juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:18 pmYeah Sloonei I was pinged by some stuff in his long post and it seemed like Jay pointed out some things there that he might remember. I know one thing had to do with you and then another thing had to do with me and S~V~S who he thought were bad for the same reason. I think that's how it went. His posts though during yesterday led me to believe he was good. Saying to mislynch him because that would draw scum in maybe? Maybe you can refresh me on that part G-Man.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:10 pm G-man is the player in our midst who I've had the most substantial reason to suspect, but I started to cool on that as yesterday wore on. Without the luxury of the other thread, I can't review his posts for interactions with sabie/radishes/sig right now. If G-man is mafia, I link him directly to Radishes (and the other two by extension), which would make him the Anti-Monitor, which means he begins each day with -2 votes. A player beginning each day with a handicap like that might play differently. Votes are less worrisome, but heavy suspicion is a problem. Does anyone have any thoughts about G-man's viability as that role? I... don't know what that those thoughts would look like in a thread environment where there's no access to past days.
lots of linki
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:18 pm
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Death in lower levels = kicked back to the topG-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:16 pmOne hope I have is that there is a way to bump all of us out of this place without dying. Did death in every level take you deeper in Inception (the movie) until death in the subconscious wakes you up? Which direction will we move? There’s no guarantee that death takes us up and out. What happens to the main thread as people re-enter, I wonder? Will bad things happen if we lynch baddies on this level and they end up controlling the top level?juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:08 pm So sig was bad lolol! So much for those people hating on the sig voters. I hate losing S~V~S and nutella. Glad S~V~S was Pariah and can continue to post as she likes.
One thing that might be good for us is we are a sub-layer. In the Inception game the sub-layers "lynched" people but they weren't really dead. They just got bumped up to the main level. The main level lynches were real. I don't want to count on that being the case though.
linki
Death at the top level = death
Idk if we have a top or a bottom here. This group seems smaller relative to the first split in the actual Inception game.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:15 pm
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I do not think this is what I was accusing you of. My feeling about your early gameplay was that you seemed to not be taking advantage of the time you were spending in the thread. There were a couple of instances where you popped in and said things which suggested you intended to produce content but never followed through.G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:10 pm Okay, so I have no read on speedchuck or Michelle. Juliets pinged me during my skimming early on but got lost in the Mac vs the World shuffle. Jay started the game seeming off to me (vibes only, really). Sloonei, it felt like you were trying early on to set me up by suggesting that you had higher expectations of my gameplay. I’ve caught Golden and S~V~S as baddies doing that before and I trust my gut on that now. There are lame cases and then there are lame cases dressed up to look like legit cases. You fit the latter early on, but you too have slipped into gray territory after Day 3.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:12 pm
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oh jeez i didn't notice nutella also died. butts. That looks more like a serial killer than a vigilante.juliets wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:08 pm So sig was bad lolol! So much for those people hating on the sig voters. I hate losing S~V~S and nutella. Glad S~V~S was Pariah and can continue to post as she likes.
One thing that might be good for us is we are a sub-layer. In the Inception game the sub-layers "lynched" people but they weren't really dead. They just got bumped up to the main level. The main level lynches were real. I don't want to count on that being the case though.
linki
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:10 pm
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G-man is the player in our midst who I've had the most substantial reason to suspect, but I started to cool on that as yesterday wore on. Without the luxury of the other thread, I can't review his posts for interactions with sabie/radishes/sig right now. If G-man is mafia, I link him directly to Radishes (and the other two by extension), which would make him the Anti-Monitor, which means he begins each day with -2 votes. A player beginning each day with a handicap like that might play differently. Votes are less worrisome, but heavy suspicion is a problem. Does anyone have any thoughts about G-man's viability as that role? I... don't know what that those thoughts would look like in a thread environment where there's no access to past days.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:05 pm
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[VOTE:
michelle] aubergine
Because I lack a read on her.
Because I lack a read on her.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 11:02 pm
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Jay and I hosted Inception Mafia. The mechanic there was that roughly half the players split into a new thread (dream level) each day, down to four levels/threads. Players on the lower levels were kicked back up to the top upon lynch/nightkill, rather than dying outright. Players at the top could actually die.
The mafia team got to choose which of their members went to each level, but civilians were randomized with exceptions. We tried to ensure that there was always at least one anti-town player submerging onto each level.
Given that there are only 6 players here and like... 18? 19? Players left in the game total, I'm not really sure what the exact mechanic is here. Maybe there are three threads of equal size. I would guess that at least one player at each level is bad.
The mafia team got to choose which of their members went to each level, but civilians were randomized with exceptions. We tried to ensure that there was always at least one anti-town player submerging onto each level.
Given that there are only 6 players here and like... 18? 19? Players left in the game total, I'm not really sure what the exact mechanic is here. Maybe there are three threads of equal size. I would guess that at least one player at each level is bad.
- Thu Mar 05, 2020 10:56 pm
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I was in the middle of ISOing Mac when the thread disappeared. Here's what I had:
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