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Also are we able to deduce why Silverwolf was so sure Soneji has to be a cop? I am not inclined to believe she was the Stool Pigeon herself, so like what's up with her certainty?

Prisoner 920077 wrote:Day was top long at work falling asleep will pay tomorrow

This is the guy 509378 trusts, right?

Wut

Prisoner 829579 wrote:

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is fine with Sloonei being warden. Soneji and Elo are likely the cops that are remaining. And to preemptively stop the OMG he changed his mind on Nero. It happens. In light of Epi's flip as a cop and some of the conversation leading up to and in the time between days chaindeath has an idea. Epi kept pushing for the two of us to be lynched and if Nero was his teammate that probably wouldn't be a smart thing to do. What would happen if the town rallied to chaindeath's side and we ended up lynching him and loosing the game from it. He'll be keeping an eye on Nero but for the moment he seems like he could be town.

It looks like Chaindeath planted this to avoid suspicion. Could it be that he is the master cop with Elohcin absent in btsc, leaving it up to himself to kill?

My theory has been that if Eloh and chain are the remaining cops, eloh is the chief because Epi would have been bussing chaindeath really hard while protecting Eloh from suspicion. The chief is the role he'd want to keep alive, not the beat cop.

But this is pure speculation and can easily be completely wrong.

Also I'm off to work now until midnight, and then i'm back at that tomorrow morning so I'm not likely to provide much content for the next 24 hours. Keep up this discussion, prisoners. I like it. And don't forget: 2 cops are left. The only 3 possible suspects are chaindeath, Elohcin, and Soneji.

Turnip Head wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:ika could have been the real stool pigeon and Soneji could still be town.

How do you figure? I think Soneji quite clearly hinted at himself being the stool pigeon which ika flipped as. If that's not true, then I can't fathom a town motive for Soneji to do that.

I must have missed that. Doesn't that seem unnecessarily risky though?

It kind of does, especially when he was already essentially in the clear (i'm pretty sure he was suspect #3 for all of us with only 2 spots remaining) and the cops essentially can't win. I'm still feeling pretty good about chaindeath & eloh. But I admit I have more doubts about soneji now than I did when I woke up this morning. None of my questions can be answered by anyone other than him and silverwolf, though.

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.

It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.

Why do you think what im saying is wrong?

I don't think what you're saying is wrong, I just think the answers you gave are incomplete and don't shed any new light on anything. I explained why I think your theory about silverwolf and ika is flawed and you did not address it, and your explanation of your Elohcin "suspicion" was completely void of any substance at all.

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.

Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.

As for your question: Eloh

Why?

Why?

I already explained the topic of why it makes sense. Yes if ika is the stool pigeon he's has a 1/10 shot in getting silver, but he built a narrative to act like that to her.

I've been suspecting him more then chain

Neither of these are satisfactory answers.

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.

Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.

As for your question: Eloh

Why?

Why?

actually it might not be, since it could be that they're both bad. BUT we can only lynch one person today, so let's make sure we're right. Everyone rushed their votes onto Elohcin without discussion and I don't like that.

I'll ask this again for the prisoners, since no one seemed to answer the first time: Chaindeath or Elohcin? This is every bit as important a question as the one about soneji/ika.

Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Seeing as we've got two players seeming to claim that ika was the seemer, I'm willing to believe that he was, but I'm not sure who to believe is the real Daisy stool pigeon.

We have no reason to question Silverwolf's motives. She was arrested because she was town, and her perspective was an honest one. The only question to be asked is this one:

Did Silverwolf intend to convey to us that she was the real stool pigeon, and that was how she knew ika was the seemer? Or did she intend to convey to us that she knew ika was the seemer because she felt she could read him really well?

One of those arguments is obviously stronger than the other, and if it's the former then Soneji is a cop. I'll dig in after dinner.

Agreed. These are the questions I am asking and I don't have an answer yet. It would be nice if Silverprisoner and Soneji were here right now. I have to go to work in a few minutes so I don't have time to do anything else today.

chaindeath, I think your shift on Nerolunar just before the end of night last night makes you look bad. Care to respond?

Prisoner 813142 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:That was that prisoner's first post here. Anyone got any info to share on them?

*flips through his notes*

Prisoner 419713
Entry Date: [REDACTED]
Likely Identities: [REDACTED]
Number of Challenges Present For: [REDACTED]
Player Notes: Better participation in their first challenge than even some "established" prisoners. Waning participation afterwards. Participation level in "grouped challenges" unknown. Level of motivation is difficult to determine. Not as hostile seeming as some other prisoners.

thank you.

chaindeath's post history is short if any of you prisoners feel like ISOing him.

also hey chaindeath, wanna hop in here and say something?

if y'all can figure out what to do with soneji while i'm at work that'd be cool.

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote: I am not sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain? How did ika set himself up as the stool pigeon, and why did his arrest necessitate silverwolf's?

Sure, everyone (including silverwolf herself) was giving crap to ika about why he had no apparent paranoia to silverwolf herself. The stool pigeon is the perfect cover to hide that. Seeing how he would also never make an emotional manipulative post to silverwolf as town (it's a scum claim hands down if he does something like that to silver), after ika flipping stool pigeon, it would be most logical that if he was town, he was stool pigeoned to silver. Their relationship clouds nothing about their judgements. Also if ika made that kind of post he was probably expecting silver to treat it like a scum claim and when she didn't he probably broke down and was telling them to not leave silver. Also considering her reads before the arrest were dead on, I would not be surprised to see the arrest be due to her reads in conjoint with the ohter reasons.

I don't think the stool pigeon knew the exact player they would identify to the cops. The role description suggests they pick a number at random and are then told which ROLE that number corresponds with:

At the beginning of the game, he selects a number which corresponds to a member of his family (excluding The Don). He will learn the role of the player selected. If he is in danger of being arrested, he may choose to reveal the identity of this player to the Police, and if so, he is saved

Seeing as we've got two players seeming to claim that ika was the seemer, I'm willing to believe that he was, but I'm not sure who to believe is the real Daisy stool pigeon.

That was that prisoner's first post here. Anyone got any info to share on them?

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:I highly doubt that Silverwolf was the stool pigeon.

Why?

Are there any reasons to think she was the stool pigeon beyond her claiming to know ika was the seemer?

That alone is a decent reason. She was also totally insistent about it.

Are there any reasons not to that don't also apply to Soneji?

With most players that would be a decent reason, but given their relationship I don't think it is, especially because she was so insistent about it. Silverwolf and ika have proven themselves to be extremely insistent defenders of each other in multiple games, and while you could (and they often have) make the argument that their experience with each other helps back up their defense, I think their love clouds their ability to be objective with reading each other. Not a slight to them whatsoever, I'm just saying that I would take their reads of each other (and this includes role speculation) with a grain of salt at best.

I don't know about Soneji.

!00% disagree with this, ika was a seemer hands down. Its pretty clear that ika set himself up as stool pigeon to silver to fit his narrative and agenda he was playing. The moment he was gone, was the moment silver needed to be gone too.

I am not sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain? How did ika set himself up as the stool pigeon, and why did his arrest necessitate silverwolf's?

Prisoner 483934 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

I know which inch of Sloonei I'd like to interrogate.

Prisoner 958153 wrote:I'm new, but like I'm not 'new' new. I'm like a really old woman who's just taken up bingo for the first time. You dig?

So yeah. I'll get into it at a later time but my skim through the thread tells me a few things:

1) We're so close!
2) The prisoner is so cool!
3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.
4) Turnip Head should be your only confirmed civ.

Go ahead and interrogate me then, bud.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

I can't even find this post, where is it? But I appreciate the skepticism, even if it is misplaced.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... 2&sr=posts

thanks.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:This is true. Even a mislynch today gives us the remaining two cops, assuming the game continues.

This is what I meant when I suggested the game could be locked down if any non-cop is paroled. We should tread carefully though, who knows what shenanigans may await.

I never saw you say this but I definitely agree. Assuming we get to parole someone again tonight, the cops effectively can't win.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:This seems to be all you've got so far, Sloonei.

Prisoner 958153 wrote: 3) Sloonei shouldn't be immune from having every inch of himself thoroughly interrogated, especially with these few players left.

I can't even find this post, where is it? But I appreciate the skepticism, even if it is misplaced.

Prisoner 813142 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Who would we all prefer to lynch between Elohcin and chaindeath? Even if soneji is a cop, one of those other two has to also be a cop.

If we're sure that Elohcin is police, I say we lynch her. Here's why:

At this point, the double-arrest is effectively off the table. If, as is speculated by some, that Turnip Head and Sloonei are the dons, then there would only be three players remaining after the lynch that can be arrested: chaindeath, Prisoner 509378, and Soneji. One of them is the cop, so pulling a double-arrest will single them out. Now, if they HAVE to put in the double-arrest request, then there's a chance you folks will catch a lucky break and have the final cop handed to you on a "silver platter." If the Chief does not HAVE to place a double-request, then they won't for that very reason.

If it's chaindeath of Soneji, then that means that Prisoner 509378 is the only candidate for their arrest tonight. Are there any protection powers or team kill powers believed to still be in existence to protect 509? If so, you'll all (excepting Elohcin) still be around tomorrow to continue on with this discussion.

This is true. Even a mislynch today gives us the remaining two cops, assuming the game continues.

Moved my vote to chaindeath so the Elohcin runaway doesn't get too out of control. Also noticed there's a prisoner voting for me. Care to speak up, 958153?

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 483934 wrote:I'm voting for Elohcin because y'all seem pretty positive.

Same here.

We're not. There is still plenty to discuss.

Who would we all prefer to lynch between Elohcin and chaindeath? Even if soneji is a cop, one of those other two has to also be a cop.

Prisoner 813142 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 813142 wrote:So shall I halt my re-read if it's all settled? I'd be lying if I said I had plenty of time for it.

Linki: Do 126's assertions give anyone pause? He seems awfully sure of himself.

I do not know 126's true identity and at the moment I'm not putting much stock in that post. What can you tell us about 126's behavior in prison?

Again, I am waiting on the host's to let me know how much of my notes I can reveal (arrival times for instance). My notes show at least minimal participation in a couple of challenges, though I cannot speak to their participation in the Day 9 or Day 11 challenge, as they were not grouped with me.

One thing I can say is that it may be worth going back to Day 5 to see which prisoners were in the initial prison break and which were not. I think 509 (and perhaps the rest of you) might have a little more confidence in those of us who were around for the first one. I am not sure if I can say any more on that without getting myself "modkilled."

This post at least implies we can rule Epi out as being Prisoner 126.

Prisoner 813142 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:My first thought based on the tone and vocabulary of 126's posts is that they are Silverwolf.

Would that change your opinion on Soneji at all?

A little bit. It would raise a few questions, at least.

My first thought based on the tone and vocabulary of 126's posts is that they are Silverwolf.

Why should we trust you, 126993?

Prisoner 126993 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Okay. He hasn't stated it himself (as per the rules), but Soneji's confidence that ika was the seemer would suggest he is the Stool Pidgeon that ika flipped as, or he wants it to appear that way. I can't right now, but someone needs to check his posts for ika-relevant content to test this theory -- especially the content coming after ika's lynch.

He's not the stool pigeon. He's the other cop. He needs to be lynched after Elochin. Ika was the seemer.

Prisoner 126993 wrote:Soneji's plan is to throw Elochin under the bus, call out Ika as the seemer because he knows that is the case, and try to mislynch chaindeath for the win. Will you guys listen to me this time and lynch correctly?

???

also a reminder that there are two of each role. ika flipped as the Daisy stool pigeon.

Prisoner 813142 wrote:So shall I halt my re-read if it's all settled? I'd be lying if I said I had plenty of time for it.

Linki: Do 126's assertions give anyone pause? He seems awfully sure of himself.

I do not know 126's true identity and at the moment I'm not putting much stock in that post. What can you tell us about 126's behavior in prison?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I think we've got 'em, y'all.

concur

Epi's first interaction with Soneji is a dismissal of his case against Mongoose (Dom, confirmed cop):

Epignosis wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Somehow I managed to skip a large post by Soneji.

He makes a good point on Mongoose, though in the last quote, I have to say the fact she is asking about how mafia is played here is because she is back after a long hiatus, during which a lot of people from different communities came here and change the usual playstyle.

I understood the context of how she was trying to come across(as naive of possible new habits), its just that the context in which the question was asked(as a prerequisite to a stated desire to vote lynch Ika) is rather scummy. If the question about voting people to get their attention came prior to a vote on Ika/stated desire to vote Ika, I likely wouldn't find the behavior suspicious. Lack of confidence in your own reads is also more indicative of scum, who don't want to be seen as going after the wrong people or having weak reasoning. If Ika's behavior was in any way normal in the community as it is now, people wouldn't have been suspecting him for it as much as they did D1, which should have clued Mongoose in. Even so, she felt the need to be sure that her reasoning was sound in the eyes of others.

Have you ever met Mongoose before?

Then he appears not to say much for a while, thought it's possible I'm missing something. Ctrl + F is not an exact science. When he does say something, it's much later in the game and he's making vague threats against Soneji about schooling him once sig flips bad. Epi obviously knew sig wouldn't flip bad, but whatever. Then his 5 person scum team includes soneji along with chaindeath and 3 now-confirmed townies:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, you're not a lynch I would favor in the next day phase. If you name me a gun-to-head cop team (every remaining baddie alive), that will be of interest to me. The same goes for anyone really, though certain people's lists might mean less.

I won't name my own list until I have some participation.

I'll participate.

chaindeath
Nerolunar
Quinn
sig
Soneji

Didn't expect that, did you prisoner?

This is a much lengthier post in which he responds to Soneji's case against him. I think soneji's case itself looks sincere, but my tunnel vision is directing me toward labeling everything soneji does as town at this point. Epi's responses here also seem strained enough for this to be real case. He tries to casually dismiss a number of Soneji's points without really engaging anything, suggesting to me that the case is legitimate and Epi didn't have any real way to diffuse it, so he just tried to brush Soneji himself off as an accuser.

Epignosis wrote:New idea.

Soneji wants me lynched.

Soneji hasn't voted me.

Soneji

Why wasn't your vote on me?

OMGUS on Day 9.

There's quite a bit more between Epi and Soneji from recent days if anyone wants to dig through it, but my mind is practically made up now. Soneji and Epi are not teammates. Elohcin and chaindeath are the two remaining cops. I'd still love to hear from anyone who disagrees with me on this. I am confident about these reads, but the game is not over yet.

Also of note in the case against Elohcin is this series of events starting around the time she subbed in. Epi proposed a plan to "determine if she's bad or not" by having someone provide a fake read on him and see how she responds to it.

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

I have a test to determine if Eloh is bad or not. Who's in?

This post is what I'm talking about.

Spoiler: show

Eloh, I think, isn't going to click through all these tags. As I said, she's just here.

Therefore:

Spoiler: show

You should build a huge case on me. Vote for me. If Eloh defends me, she's good, If she hedges on me or backs off, she's bad.

Epignosis wrote:

Spoiler: show

We'll see tomorrow, but Eloh is definitely not reading the thread. She's been watching TV, talking to her mother, and she booked our vacation that I won from basketball bidding.

I agree with this.

It's obvious now that this plan of Epi's was insincere, so it's reasonable to assume he was trying to frame Eloh in a particular light. As we have been at a crucial stage in the game where a single mislynch means town destruction, if Epi wanted to push for Eloh to be lynched, he could have. And if he didn't feel like resorting to a cheap tactic like that (I doubt he would want to win that way) he could have at least shrugged his shoulders at her and let the townies decide. But instead he chose to set up this entire elaborate plot to read her, and then elected to protect her and tell us all that she's town:

Epignosis wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Sloonei wrote:5 votes on Boomslang is not enough for my liking, no sir

One vote on sig is not enough for my liking.

Do you think Eloh not reading the thread reflects on her in any certain way?

Whaddya think of that thing Soneji just did?

Eloh not reading the thread means she doesn't have a team- no one she's going to disappoint. She said herself she was just going to add to the vote number, and I have no reason to doubt that.

Based on this and all the other evidence at the moment, I feel like this was a deliberate attempt by Epi to protect his teammate Elohcin from being lynched.

Prisoner 813142 wrote:Really, eliminating the double arrest is a "no-brainer." That might also make sense why the the hosts didn't just let Serge's role wallow in unused oblivion. The police need that role active to keep the double-arrest alive. Did there seem to be tension or desperation at all at the time the hosts were looking for a replacement? It could help explain Elohcin's recruitment by Epi- "Please, honey, just fill in for the role. We need the help. You won't even have to post much. You keep the double-arrest chance alive and we'll take care of you."

The hosts have been scrambling for replacements all game long (the existence of all you prisoners probably made it a little more difficult), but things seemed to have settled by the time Elohcin replaced Serge. That one kinda came out of nowhere too. Serge wasn't the most active player in the game, but it's not like he was a non-entity either. I could see it being the case that he was simply struggling to keep up with providing two kills each night. Elohcin certainly would have been easier for Epi to communicate with on that front.

Here is Soneji's case against Serge (Elohcin), by the way. There has not been much content provided by either Serge or Elohcin since this time, so it can be read as a rather complete case, though it was made long before process of elimination had brought us to where we are now. This is probably as thorough as it's gonna get as far as actual content analysis goes for Serge or Elohcin:

Prisoner 813142 wrote:So maybe we should lynch chaindeath and just hope Elohcin isn't paying attention and misses the night phase? Or go for Elohcin since we think she is the Chief, thereby eliminating the prospect of a double arrest?

I would prefer to try to eliminate the chief first. I am inclined to believe that is Elohcin. If it is her, she is at least paying enough attention to submit a nightly kill.
However I'd say I'm more confident about chaindeath being a cop, simply because he's provided more content this game.

I was actually doing a full read through of soneji's posts with an eye on mentions of ika and the seemer. Here's what I found:

ika was one of soneji's first suspects, stated on Day 2: He then backs off of ika somewhat for a couple of days after we lynched Fuzz. Everyone did this. He jumps back on ika after ika suggests that Sloonei is the Don and he's the reason a nightkill failed. A few people were at ika's throat calling this a scum slip, but Soneji's case was a bit more nuanced than that, which I like. He first mentions it in this large post, and explains it in more detail later on in this post (Day 6, pre-ika lynch): So it's definitely established that Soneji suspected ika for much of the game, and his reasons not only check out, but are different from the popular reasons that people were holding against ika. I like this (and I like a lot of Soneji's ISO when I read through it again. He's been on a number of people's cases for reasons that go against the grain, and it's starting to look like he was right about a lot of it. That would be an unusually high volume of unnecessary bussing if he's bad). But what I'm really looking for here is evidence that Soneji has known ika was the undercover cop since the moment he flipped. And there is some. I'll highlight a couple of posts that caught my eye, both from Night 9, before we knew the seemer had to be dead/arrested: The second one in particular resonates strongly with me. It is the kind of twisty, convoluted, yet sensible logic that I would associate with a player who knows something to be true, but can't outright state it in the thread because it would get him modkilled. It seems to me like Soneji is implying that if ika was the stool pigeon, he would have been more conscious of the possibility that a night arrested failed because of that role, but ika suggested it was a Don that made the kill fail, implying his mind was only on that role. Or I'm misinterpreting Soneji's post, but either way I think these couple of posts provide some feasible bread crumbs.

One point against the theory, though, is this post here from Day 8 (post-ika lynch)

Soneji wrote:If 5:

Chaindeath
Elochin
Dom
Epi
Nero

If 4: Remove Nero/whichever of Dom/Elo replaced Serge. Will need to do more research.

Soneji entertains the idea that there are 5 cops remaining (meaning the seemer has not been lynched), but that could just be because everyone was doing it, and he didn't want to give himself away or role hint.

But then one more point that I just remembered but forgot to highlight earlier in this post. On Day 7 I asked him a couple of things, including what he thought about the speculation that DDL was the seemer. At the time we had the greatest consensus on this choice. Ika's name had come up as a possible seemer, but no more than everyone else's had. When I asked soneji what he thought of the possibility that DDL was the seemer, he completely ignored the question: He responded to the rest of my post in full, which makes me feel like his lack of a response to the particular question about DDL was deliberate. He had no thoughts on DDL being the seemer because he knew it wasn't the case.
When reading through Soneji's posts I can get at least a faint sense that he knew ika was the seemer, but that he didn't want to/couldn't just come out and say this, so he tried to take a tight-lipped approach to drop hints here and there when he couldn't outright say the things he wanted to say.

Plus his post history in general continues to look excellent. He was on Mongoose and Epi for ages. The episode where Prisoner 509378 provided a "fake" case against Epi at Epi's request, and then Soneji jumped on board with that case, as was highlighted earlier, reads as a genuine scum hunting effort on Soneji's part. If Epi had coordinated that behind the scenes, it's unlikely one of his teammates would have jumped on it like that. Plus he was one of the only people to bring up Mongoose/Draconus prior to process of elimination leading the rest of us to Dom. He also made a big case against Serge (Elohcin) earlier in the game that no one ever followed up on (I remember liking this post when I first read it, but then I could never find it again afterwards and forgot who made it).

Every time I look at Soneji's posts he becomes more of a town read, and since we know that 2 out of the 3 of him, Elohcin, and chaindeath have to be the final 2 cops, I feel pretty good about our chances.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I can't right now, but someone needs to check his posts for ika-relevant content to test this theory -- especially the content coming after ika's lynch.

I am in the middle of doing this, btw.

And I also think that if Elohcin and chaindeath are the cops, then eloh is the chief. Epi was bussing chaindeath too hard for him to be the chief. I am assuming chaindeath is the beat cop right.

When it comes down to process of elimination I feel a bit better, at least. The thing I will need to have happen to sway me off of Elohcin is for me to be convinced that Soneji is bad. I've been reading him as town for a few days now, and unless that changes my vote will go to Elohcin or chaindeath. I intend to do my homework on him tomorrow and I don't expect any of the prisoners to offer up a full ISO or anything, if there's anything anyone can say that might be key to reading him that would be awesome

Prisoner 413022 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Part of me wonders if Epi specifically convinced his wife to fill in for his team mate (Serge) when the need arose for a replacement.

maybe? the WIFOM in this case is VERY red and VERY dry - ya know?

And again, this is without actually reading back and stuff....

You do not think we should lynch Elohcin?

@Hosts: Are the identities of all prisoners the same as they were during the last prison break?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Remember that prisoners are not allowed to out themselves OR other prisoners.

Oh. Butts.