The Syndicate

This is my first victory banner, I like it.

I am just finding out that all winners are recorded in the Hall of Fame. I've been here for a year and a half.

I can't stress enough the amount of effort I put into trying to read Quin as bad. I went over his posts repeatedly every day during the end game looking for something and never found a trace. I was determined not to let him beat me if he was bad and he did it anyway.

MacDougall wrote:I thought LoRab was May too.

The game started in earnest on Day 6.

You are my favorite host, G-man.

I look forward to playing with you again whenever possible, Glorf!

G-Man wrote:Official Winners:

Dom
DrWilgy
indiglo
insertnamehere
JaggedJimmyJay
LoRab
MacDougall
motel room
MovingPictures07
S~V~S
Scotty
Sloonei

Ricochet has to be alive at the end to win. Epignosis spent more time as a baddie but I'm willing to extend credit to him since he did work hard to get his role eliminated. The Station Master was a civvie who only benefited the baddies while alive.

ouch

When did she protect me?

This game was an extreme roller coaster. I would change nothing about it. Thank you G-man. Thank you everyone who was involved, especially LoRab.

G-Man wrote:
Sloonei wrote:So self-protection was legal?
Yes. And it made for a hilarious post. 3J's role and alter ego made love. I couldn't help myself.

So self-protection was legal?

Did Quin know he wasn't gonna win?

Dom wrote:GH SHIT

Quin, you were robbed. I'm sorry. If you could get me lynched after the BS you pulled with your tunnel on me for days, you deserved the win.

Absolutely. I'll take the win, but Quin was absolutely brilliant. I've wanted to read him as bad in every game we've ever played together and he still managed to fool me from end to end.

I've never fallen ass backwards into a town win before.

Barry you glorious person, you

Is my heart about to be crushed?

wait what

Quin wrote:I'm sorry as well, Dom. I absolutely hate being bad.

Keep telling yourself that.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I figured someone had figured out my role.
It was a toss up.

For real? That's a bummer, why couldn't you have misfired?

For what it's worth this game was a lot of fun and I need to play again.

Dom wrote:

I am sorry.

I figured someone had figured out my role.

Quin is a monster and I hate him.

I am clueless

I'd stick myself somewhere in the 80s as well.

I took a look at Rot3k and Spirited Away for town Dom. I observe a tendency to dismiss accusations in a similar way, but not as viciously, and it usually comes with a sound justification of the actions he has being accused for. In this game his primary defense has been "I've played poorly." If this is true, I apologize. But I don't think I will be changing my vote.

Good game, everyone.

What is your confidence level now, LoRab?

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:I come back to this thread and what do I find? Isn't this just charming... Seriously, if I'm the best you guys can come up with, we're in more trouble than I could've imagined...

I've literally read next to nothing that's been posted this Day phase so on the basis of my inability to make an informed decision right now, self preservation will determine my vote.
Emotional manipulation doesn't play well.

I've voted you at the moment for self preservation.
Was this vote cast out of self-preservation or because of Glorfindel's "emotional manipulation"?
Both.
Sloonei wrote:if dom wants to link me to some past scum games of his i'll be happy.
I feel like I have done this at least twice in this game. I have absolutely talked about this, maybe not linked, but talked about it.
I won this game bad
I wont this game bad
I lost this game bad.
I won this game bad, but replaced in.

Those are just recent-ish games.

I had a look at Turf Wars and Arkham and can see some striking similarities between the way you respond to suspicions in those game and the way you've responded in this one. I'll take a look at some town games to see if the trend carries over, but this does not bode well for you. I also have to leave in a couple of hours and, once again, will not be around for the deadline. I am running out of time and my mind is close to being made up on this. I'll just have to wait and hope we are right.

Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:I'll buy you a smaller set of tweezers to keep splitting those hairs, Quin.
That is not a thing that is happening.

Any thoughts on any things?

If anything is making me doubt Quin, it's the things I said in this post:

Sloonei wrote:A couple thoughts about Epi started giving me pause in relation to Dom. I've vaguely referenced this earlier, but on Day 6 both Epi and Dom came out strongly against me in a spur of the moment attack. I have begun to doubt that that was a coordinated effort. There was no opportunity for the two of them to work out such a strategy beforehand; I made a post and Epi jammed it down my throat immediately. Dom picked up a subsequent suspicion of me for the same post. What reason would there be for two teammates to conspire to attack the same person for an as-yet undetermined case like that?

The other is Epi's concession. Even if he was having difficulty committing to this game and saw no room to defend himself, Epi is not one to throw a game away. Looking back on it, I feel uneasy. His behavior suggests to me that his teammate was, at the time, well-concealed and he felt confident in their ability to win the game without him, and so he sacrificed himself and snuffed the conversation for the day in the process. LoRab opted to extend the game today, so I give her a 0% chance of being a baddie at this point. INH is still Silvertongue. So this just leaves Quin (or me, from everyone else's perspective) as a candidate for Epi's hypothetical well-concealed partner.

I am simply struggling to read Quin as bad in this game. I have tried very hard to do so but the absolute best I can do is the occasional tinfoil ping here and there. Dom's frustration has seemed real the last few days, but that can be the case regardless of his alignment. I am intrigued by LoRab's most recent post about him. Are you able to respond to that, Dom?

if dom wants to link me to some past scum games of his i'll be happy.

voting Dom again. I owe Quin another look too, but my eyes don't feel much like staying open right now.

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Dom once again sits out the lynch.
Hi there.
Excuse me?
You parked your vote on MP early on. Again.
Explain to me how that's sitting out.
I voted someone who I believed was baddie. I made multiple posts trying to convince others to vote with me.

LoRab wrote:I find curious that Dom hasn't responded to any of my posts that mention him...
You mean where you said I am more paranoid as a baddie? Ok. Cool. Where am I paranoid? Because I made a case against MP because I believed (and kind of still do, but see the limits of the reality here) that he was buddying me? How is that paranoid?

Or are you talking about this:
LoRab wrote: My other suspicions are more amorphous: the low posters because they don't give us anything to go on. I keep getting pings from Dom, but he has also said things that feel civ to me--but he's on my list of considerations.
Which is so unsubstantial I don't even know how you'd like me to respond.

This post is a shitstorm. You do the following things in it:
1) Make no direct accusation. Let others do that for you.
2) Imply malintent on my part by using relatively *neutral* words like curious, but pairing it with an ellipses.
3) Not even have anything really to respond to.

The LoRab sections of this post are 100% omgus.

Dom wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Epi, blink twice if your vote was forced. Otherwise, I'm gonna have to agree with Zebra that your pithy evasive non-answers are only making this one small thing into something more and more fishy.
What do you mean by forced? On Day 1? With no public coercer role?
my thoughts exactly

"Yes, let's suspect INH for this bogus theory."

(let's pretend I didn't submit the ultimate bogus INH case this game)

Dom wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:I do not suspect Elohcin.
Why not?
i don't think anything she's done is abnormal for her civvie game... maybe a better way of saying it is that nothing she's done has made me think she is bad
Can you differentiate between what she does as a civilian and what she does as Mafia?
No explicitly, no.

I just take more convincing than most to find Elohcin suspicious.

In the first line Dom admits to having difficulty reading Elohcin. In the second line he seems to suggest he has a particular outlook on Elohcin that others do not have. This looks like Dom giving Eloh a town read but not knowing how to back it up.

Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Dom wrote:I do not suspect Elohcin.
Why not?
i don't think anything she's done is abnormal for her civvie game... maybe a better way of saying it is that nothing she's done has made me think she is bad
I don't disagree with this. What do you think of the case Neil Hartley made against her and the way he went about doing it?
Didn't convince me.
Don't necessarily think he's bad either.

Once again, zero elaboration.

Dom wrote:
Glorfindel wrote:I come back to this thread and what do I find? Isn't this just charming... Seriously, if I'm the best you guys can come up with, we're in more trouble than I could've imagined...

I've literally read next to nothing that's been posted this Day phase so on the basis of my inability to make an informed decision right now, self preservation will determine my vote.
Emotional manipulation doesn't play well.

I've voted you at the moment for self preservation.

Was this vote cast out of self-preservation or because of Glorfindel's "emotional manipulation"?

Quin wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
Quin wrote:Here for an hour, yo. I voted indiglo.

I'm not seeing some of your case, zebra. When you first bring up his rainbow lists you claim that it's suspicious that he's only sorted it into three categories as though there's some sort of strong civ/strong bad quota that he's expected to meet. I think that's a poor case. That was a Day 1 list, too. I can understand why it's not so thorough.

However, I agree that it's odd to suggest that the people he's put at the bottom of his 5-tier list are 'not particularly crazy suspicious'. I'd be more inclined to believe it if he didn't bother adding a strong bad tier.
Regarding the underlined, that's not the whole case??? What???

Why make Day 1 rainbow lists (because that's right he made TWO rainbow lists on Day 1), which are meant to be thorough by definition, if they're not going to be thorough? Why not just list the reads that you feel relatively confident about and leave it at that, rather than trying to appear a thousand times more substantive? Come on.

linki - I'd be much more likely to vote for Scotty than indiglo. indiglo's frustration appears genuine to me, and if she were bad I actually think she would tone down the rage so as not to stand out as much. Scotty seems a bit too chill knowing that he's replaced a highly suspected slot. I have been wrong about him before though. Like earlier in this very game but hey whatever am I right

linki - I'll take my vote off of MP if (and only if) it is to prevent a tie.
Rainbow lists aren't particularly thorough at all in comparison to a built case. It's just a framework, for lack of a better word. I guess I am a little concerned about his decision to specify that his leanings were slight when a three-tier list generally doesn't go into that level of detail. I'd like him to address your concerns.

This is the most noteworthy interaction between zebra and quin and, once again, I think Quin comes out of it looking good. He addresses a concern he has about a specific aspect of zebra's mega-case against MP and shows that he is actively reading and thinking about the things that were being said. Zebra's response also looks sincere, in that she's trying to defend her case to Quin and not just vomiting word garbage at a teammate in the thread. Meanwhile, Dom's response to the same case was "this is really well done."

at a certain point I should just trust what my instincts are telling me and vote for Dom.

LoRab wrote:
Sloonei wrote:LoRab, why are you leaning toward Dom? This day and the game depend on the two of us coming to an agreement. Let's put our heads together.
Tone, mostly. He's posting like a trapped rabid animal, which I associate with his baddie game. It's connected to the paranoia which pinged me earlier.

What gives me hesitation is that I don't know Quin's game that well, and it scares me that he seems so sure of himself for whta doesn't seem like a rock solid case to me. But, that said, I associate stuboornness like that with civs more than baddies. Baddies don't generally want to stand out like that and stick to a case that doesn't make solid sense to others. They don't necessarily want their vote to be the outlier. He's voted Dom for how many days now?

I don't think I've ever seen a bad Dom before. What are some games I could look at for reference? The "trapped rabid animal" impression you have is the same I got from him on Day 6, but I read it as townie behavior at the time. If this is Dom's scum MO then that's big news.

Quin's confidence is not shocking or unbelievable to me. He holds onto convictions firmly when he has them. There was a game a couple months ago (I forget which one) where the two of us spent the entire time going hard after one another to the point where we couldn't see the other being town in any situation. We were both town. Most of my questions at Quin in this game have been an effort to get him to trip up or give me some thread I can tug at in case he's bad and he really has not given me much to work with. I've been reading him as town on every level but paranoia is getting to me. My vote for Quin was more about shaking things up than actually having a preference either way. I just re-read everything that happened around the deadline yesterday and I feel better about Quin again.

LoRab, why are you leaning toward Dom? This day and the game depend on the two of us coming to an agreement. Let's put our heads together.

I'll have a look through the thread again tomorrow evening. Right now I have to be up in a few hours for work again in the morning. It never stops. My mind is far from made up. I'll refrain from asking questions for now because I assume all the answers I am looking for are already in the thread.

Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I put my vote on Quin.
I'd like to know why.

You have not seemed receptive enough to alternative theories to your "Dom is bad" position. I'd like to see evidence that you seriously entertained the idea that myself or LoRab could be bad.

I put my vote on Quin.

Will whichever of you is bad just confess?

Dom wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
Elohcin wrote: The players I will be looking at today are:
Mac - simply b/c other players are finding him suspicious and I seem to be missing the hype. I need to reread him.
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.
and
....not sure who else atm.
Let's come back to this post. Do we think Eloh is throwing one teammate under the bus to paint another in a more positive light?
I could see Eloh doing that.

Go on

Quin hops on the Elohcin case in his fifth post and never looked back:

Spoiler: show

Pro-Quin argument: Why would his first move in the game be to aggressively bus his teammate? He doesn't need to do that and could easily have settled in with something with less potential to harm his team.
Anti-Quin: He becomes very confident very quickly about Elohcin and, much like his Dom suspicion, never lets go. Plus there's the obvious WIFOM that comes with any instance of bussing.

Elohcin wrote: The players I will be looking at today are:
Mac - simply b/c other players are finding him suspicious and I seem to be missing the hype. I need to reread him.
Lorab - b/c (no offence) I always see her playstyle as sneaky and bad and I need to decide if it's real or just my predisposition.
Quin - b/c he replaced a non-participant before replacing Glor who also said he cannot participate. I imagine a baddie would be replaced before a civ.
and
....not sure who else atm.

Let's come back to this post. Do we think Eloh is throwing one teammate under the bus to paint another in a more positive light?

Earlier in the game we did an exercise where a few of us tried to give one-sentence reasons why everyone could be town. I'd like to see Quin do that for Dom.

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