The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 10:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 9:31 pm I believe Phase 2 of CC-123 began once half the roles in the game had been used up.

Wouldn’t be a bad theory. By my count 13 roles have been relinquished, so we should be there by now

13/46 is less than 1/2

I believe Phase 2 of CC-123 began once half the roles in the game had been used up.

What do we all think of marmot's role?

we did it!

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:50 pm If we can’t get a lynch today than I’m gonna set my roof on fire

Watch out for the fiddler.

We're doing it!

I kept checking this thread while I was at work waiting for the night post. Around 9 I realized the day ends tomorrow.

we have two more members than they do. It shouldn't be hard.

[mention]Marmot[/mention] link

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:37 pm vote marmot

I also may be feeling aubergine about niju 2.0.

Oh? Do tell.

Maybe later.

vote marmot

I also may be feeling aubergine about niju 2.0.

Marmot = Squirtle

To elaborate on sig a little: he's been all over the map, "inconsistent" with no seeming regard for making sense or appearing good. I think these are mostly the reasons people have used to justify voting for him. But I see all of that behavior and read him as civilian. He doesn't care how he looks. He's playing a fast and loose game that I think is indicative of a civilian who is trying to feel things out in a thread with very little tangible evidence. I don't want to vote for him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:24 pm After reading Sloonei’s ISO of today, I can’t tell if he’s suspicious of anyone in this game.

Oh, and vote Marmot 2018 aubergine in case this whole cbob thing doesn’t pan out.

Lol we don’t even know if cbob is civ or not at this juncture

I'm suspicious of marmot. This is a good vote.

Marmot case

I'll be at work the rest of the day. Even if we can't lynch anyone again today, I think Marmot's our best option. I recommend piling votes on him just in case.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:37 pm So... are we just going to forget the consensus we had around sig yesterday? Might not matter because colonialbob, but placing a continuation aubergine. Vote sig.

Yes. Yes we are. Vote Marmot instead.

Do you have a case on LoRab? I have not seen one yet. She has been our least vocal tribe member, but I don't attribute this to her alignment one way or the other, and I do not blame her for it. It seems like she's just been busy. I am open to a case on her, but at this point I'm firmly reading her as town.

This place is empty today. I think everyone's just twiddling their thumbs waiting for colonialbob to die and to trigger whatever his death will trigger. Meh. This tribe desperately needs something to happen at this point. we've just been bystanders while the other tribe plays their game so far. I'm gonna continue voting for Marmot.

I expected there to be another challenge today. I was gonna recommend we throw it to let one of their players have a look at our thread.

Why not lynch Marmot?

Why not lynch Marmot?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:30 pm I'ts fairly obvious why I was NK'd. I'd say one of two reasons.

I would disagree with this.

One being that I was adamant the silencer could be civ and the mafia put two and two together

I think most people were in this camp.

or since I didn't seem to be able to be lynched and was so nonchalant. Voting for me now when literally everyone else who has been NK'd got a pass is scummy and saying my role is mafia is scummy these are people who are tunneling and looking for a reason to lynch me with no good reasoning what so ever.

I thought the general assumption was that you survived because the other tribe had a stronger consensus for the fifth day in a row.

I do agree that the argument about your first role being scummy is a shoe-horned suspicion. I don't get behind it. It's possible, but that's not a conclusion I want to jump to.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:43 pm unvote. Vote LoRab aubergine

Why?

Marmot was my top suspect yesterday. I wasn't around much, but I felt it and expressed the suspicion more than once.

I would not say that I hid behind my meta. I referenced it in self-defense, but i did not use it to refrain from playing with aggression. If anything, my meta reference necessitated that I post more.

I've been expecting to die every night. I suspect that the double life thing is postponing my first death. Killing me is usually done to shut me up when I'm town. Killing me here would not shut me up, and would only give people more evidence to read me as town.

I am directly accusing Marmot of making posts that were designed to make him look like an active townie generating discussion, but without actually turning those prods into anything productive. He should respond to that and others can decide how they feel about it. I don't need him to though.

Why was sig nightkilled?

what's more, I don't see why we should lynch sig the day after he's been nightkilled. Or try to, at any rate. I voted for him out of solidarity yesterday, but Marmot's been my top scum read for a few days now, and sig has been, at best, a vague suspect, but for the most part I feel good about him.

My first major concern with Marmot was that he was making empty prods of players to appear as a driving force in the game, but he never followed up on these prods at all. Here's a couple early examples:

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:18 pm All of them.

Why do you have so many folks colored at such an early juncture in the game?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 4:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 1:52 pm I do like that Sloonie is posting and trying to get people talking, but as of right now I just don't think there's much to talk about. However, I'd put him down as a light civ read.

What do you think will get people talking?

Followed two hours later with this:

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:46 pm Haha, I forgot to come back and move my vote.

And no visible attempt anywhere to do anything with the questions he had asked previously, giving me reason to doubt that he cared at all about his own line of investigation.


The first time I remember stating suspicion against him, and his response was to take cover behind his meta:

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:06 pm @Marmot has not made a single post that I can't see coming from a mafia member. That's not a very good look. I also don't really know where he stands on anything. He just keeps self-voting and making small observations here and there.

Have you met me?

tries to motivate himself to play mafia, but this place smells like old shrimp

Uninspiring.

Here's another collection of mid-game posts where he seems to be trying to check off the "Active participant" box without really producing much: Maybe it's unfair of me to label them as such, but these all feel like hollow prods to me. I don't see him doing much with the responses he gets and they don't feel particularly directed toward anything.

If there's a specific incident I take issue with, it was this small exchange the two of us had a few days ago (I've wrapped the whole thing in quote brackets for visual appeal):

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:00 pm This is dumb. Stop suspecting me.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Places a joking vote on me. Not furreal.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:23 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:00 pm This is dumb. Stop suspecting me.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Do you actually suspect me?

No. The above vote is a joke.

I asked directly whether or not he actually suspected me. "No" was his answer. Marmot does not suspect me. Noted.
So I followed up:

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:29 pm Marmot, you placed a joke vote on me and then removed it. This leads me to believe you think I'm town. Why?

Why would this lead you to believe that I think you're civilian.

This and that are not the same thing.

I was lead to believe that you think I am civilian because you stated "no" when asked if you suspect me. Sure you can say I'm a null read. But I refuse to accept that at the juncture of the game in which this exchange took place, especially when I have ~142 posts. "No" suspicion for this player should indicate a town read, but Marmot won't commit to that stance. I'm really just trying to get him to follow up on the read he seemed to hint at earlier, but he refuses to do so.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:28 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:29 pm Marmot, you placed a joke vote on me and then removed it. This leads me to believe you think I'm town. Why?

Why would this lead you to believe that I think you're civilian.

This and that are not the same thing.


Linki: Oops, got distracted by work. Meant to post this a while ago.

You had a chance to vote for me but did not. What is your read of me?

Currently, I think you're abstracting my vote for you into something bigger. I voted for you as a joke. That's it. I also don't understand what you mean by "I had a chance to vote for you". You're really reaching on this one.

I don't think I was reaching seeing as I was directly responding to a read you had hinted at a few minutes earlier. This seems like the marmot trying to weasel out of a read.

If I were to articulate my suspicion of Marmot in one word, it would be listless. It feels like he's going through the motions of being a townie, but without the direction or the emotion of a player who is genuinely trying to solve the game.

Vote Marmot, 2018.

In what sense is that biting? You're supposed to vote marmot.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:17 am that's actually a really good point. we don't know the logistics of the Charlie Pace role. There could be a Desmond Hume role out there or something that could prevent cbob from dying today somehow.

it might be better to treat this lynch as normal just in case. there's no actual downside to doing so other than time cost.

I agree with all of this post, except the part where I have no idea what these names mean.

I'll lay out a marmot case tomorrow. He's the person we should be voting for.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:21 am Looks like niju has been silenced. Not sure if powers go through the night of death, or if there is another silencer.

I also don't see a reason why we wouldn't try to lynch the same as last round. In fact, sig has seemed even more suspish since then. So, as aubergine and babaganoush are delicious, vote sig

On the one hand it doesn't matter because cbob. On the other hand, lynch marmot.

Sig's an odd kill choice.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:37 pm so.... today's the day cbob dies right

Oh right. Crapweasel. I'm gonna vote marmot anyway. Aubergine.

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 10:48 pm Wow. I thought we'd actually get a lynch in. But good on the other tribe for getting a mafia out. And, as Scotty said, evident that there is more than 1 mafia. Is the Evil Evens from something? Or is it just a name and there is also an Odious Odds mafia, or some such?

The Evil Evens were a team in CC-123.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 8:55 pm Lol

Well besides the fact that it feels like everything we do over here during the day is bogus, that’s a great result.

However...

That Lc was revealed as not just mafia but the EVIl EVenS tells me that there is most definitely multiple mafia teams.

Indeed.
Good work, other tribe. Tomorrow we should...

I'll vote sig, sure. I'm checked out today, sorry. Don't spread the votes too much.

Uh, aubergine.

Alright my phone posted that before I finished.

If we're right thay cbob's death will merge the tribes, then we'll all be one big happy family soon enough.

I've decided that Jack's strategy is, in a vacuum, probably the most effective way to approach a lynch at this stage of this game. However, I don't like it for any of our options. I might even say I'd prefer to lynch niju over INH, but... that's not really something I want tk do.
The other tribe is better positioned to do this. They're the ones who've actually been lynching players. They have 5 days worth of votes they can analyze in the light of any given player's alignment. We've just been having presumed townies getting picked off night after night. But they can't currently read our discussion and, last I checked, they didn't really understand what was going on in this game.

If the assumption that colonialbob's Day 6 death will meege th

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 2:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:46 pm Anyone wanna talk about marmot?

Bad feelings about him. Gut read. I'd maybe lynch him over INH. Maybe Sig, too, if the argument against him wasn't purely Sig being Sig related.

Where do these bad feelings come from? And I don't understand your position on sig. You'd be willing to lynch him if there was an entirely different case on him? So you don't suspect him, but you could?

Anyone wanna talk about marmot?

INH, on the one hand you blast other people's cases as "random and emotion bases", but then on the other you champion your own sig and spacedaisy reads as somehow superior to other cases that exist. What makes those more valid than others?

Also stop blasting emotion-based reads. They work.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:29 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:25 pm This is so full of switcheroo that it almost becomes a WIFOM post.

I don't know what this means.

I meant that it's such a Switcheroo that it can't possibly be that a baddie would do that. But, then would they because everyone would think they wouldn't...

In reading LoRab's response to me from last night, I realized that these comments are about me. I had interpreted them as being about sig. I really wasn't sure what she was getting at because I am a big dope. I've gathered at long last that she's saying I reversed my opinion of sig, I think, and that that is something she viewed as suspicious. This makes much more sense than what I was trying to piece together of LoRab's Day 1 vote and subsequent posts. I've been struggling to come up with suspects, so I feel like I've been trying to read LoRab as bad because in my head it just has to be her. But as I'm looking at her posts I don't really think I can make a convincing case right now.

I don't have a suspect right now. It's Day 5 and I have no confidence in any vote that I might cast. That means I can go anywhere.

Marmot's a player I'd be interested in looking at. At certain points he's been solidly involved in driving the discussion, but that hasn't really been a consistent position of his, and sometimes he just appears to be coasting. I could see him as a baddie that's trying to stay just a little bit ahead of things, but not so much that he risks sticking his neck out. Maybe I'll vote for him. Yeah, let's vote for Marmot.
[aubergine]Marmot[/aubergine]

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:29 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 5:25 pm This is so full of switcheroo that it almost becomes a WIFOM post.

I don't know what this means.

I meant that it's such a Switcheroo that it can't possibly be that a baddie would do that. But, then would they because everyone would think they wouldn't...

In reading LoRab's response to me from last night, I realized that these comments are about me. I had interpreted them as being about sig. I really wasn't sure what she was getting at because I am a big dope. I've gathered at long last that she's saying I reversed my opinion of sig, I think, and that that is something she viewed as suspicious. This makes much more sense than what I was trying to piece together of LoRab's Day 1 vote and subsequent posts. I've been struggling to come up with suspects, so I feel like I've been trying to read LoRab as bad because in my head it just has to be her. But as I'm looking at her posts I don't really think I can make a convincing case right now.

I don't have a suspect right now. It's Day 5 and I have no confidence in any vote that I might cast. That means I can go anywhere.

Marmot's a player I'd be interested in looking at. At certain points he's been solidly involved in driving the discussion, but that hasn't really been a consistent position of his, and sometimes he just appears to be coasting. I could see him as a baddie that's trying to stay just a little bit ahead of things, but not so much that he risks sticking his neck out. Maybe I'll vote for him. Yeah, let's vote for Marmot.
[aubergine]Marmot[/aubergine]

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:44 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 12:17 am INH's first role seems civilian-oriented, but there's also no guarantee a player keeps their previous alinment upon death. That is a bigger hangup to me than whether a revealed role is civilian or not.

Sure. There’s that theory that civs could flip to mafia or indie in their 2nd role, but I am most interested in finding a role on an initial reveal that makes me go “huh. That doesn’t look town.”

So would you be down to lynching INH then today, Sloonei?

I'm not sure. I'm not inclined to think that his first role was anti-town, and I don't see why his second incarnation must be evil

INH's first role seems civilian-oriented, but there's also no guarantee a player keeps their previous alinment upon death. That is a bigger hangup to me than whether a revealed role is civilian or not.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:04 pm I would love to know why the Pikachus got cold feet on Quin and Speedchuck. Sloonei

The Day 1 lynch appeared to be an accident. They were trying to keep the tally close to test the haiku protection thing, or something like that, and some last-minute confusion pushed votes onto Quin. I don't know what happened with speedchuck, but he seemed to be widely town-read when I was there.

I've seen no one else propose your strategy. I've been waiting for the merger to start killing people fo real.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:52 pm Horay! Vote INHeggplant

Why INH and not niju or Scotty? Or yourself. Sacrifice yourself. It's for the greater good.

At this point I do not know what to do or how to react. We're two weeks into Day 1.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm Sloonei, tell me about Pikachu. Why was LC lynched?

I saw some people accusing him of faulty logic in earlier phases, I think. I don't recall who was saying these things though. I never read LC well, and he wasn't the most prominent name in any of the discussions that I read. He would not have been my preferred lynch over there.

we past the deadline. I don't know how the DJ feels about us just yet.

hey jack i was just wondering who you're gonna vote for, don't know if you got my message. thanks bye

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:58 am I think Kyle's trying to tell us he wants to be a dolphin.

Dolphin is an HCRealms role where you aren’t actually playing but this isn’t revealed until you are nightkilled or lynched. You don’t count towards majority or have a vote or night action and death doesn’t shut you up.

who you gonna vote for?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:58 am I think Kyle's trying to tell us he wants to be a dolphin.

Dolphin is an HCRealms role where you aren’t actually playing but this isn’t revealed until you are nightkilled or lynched. You don’t count towards majority or have a vote or night action and death doesn’t shut you up.

who you gonna vote for?

I suspect Boomslang. Therefore I am campaigning to get Boomslang lynched. That is Mafia 101. I am not telling you that you have to vote for Boomslang.