The Syndicate

Honestly, it's just process of elimination. I have strong to moderate reasons to read everyone in here as town except for wilgy.

Again, we just lost two baddies from this tribe. There were 10 of us initially. If there's multiple baddies left in here, that would mean we started with at least a 6 vs 4 spread in this tribe and still managed to eliminate one member from each team in a single day phase. I don't think that happened. I'm comfortable assuming that there is a maximum of one mafia member in this tribe at the moment.

I don't suspect him either. I'm confident wilgy's bad and i wouldn't be surprised if the rest of us are currently civilians.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:51 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:50 pm DH would be my next suspect after Wilgy.
How so?

Well for one you came in today by framing last night's kill as a vehicle for discussion in such a way that you are excluded from suspicion.

DH would be my next suspect after Wilgy.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:47 pm I am feeling more than 60% confident about wilgy.

Do you have any more substantial reasons not to suspect him, DH?

Where dat productive discussion at?

I am feeling more than 60% confident about wilgy.

Do you have any more substantial reasons not to suspect him, DH?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:28 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with your already documented desire to lynch Doc.

If we're just gonna go "Hey lets lynch X and not talk about anything or anyone else" for like...the rest of the game... IDK.
My predetermined preference to lynch wilgy has to do with the 7 days I spent in the Cerberus thread with wilgy and the rest of us newcomers in which i came to feel good about all of them to varying degrees. I can't help it if the three players I have the most reason to read as town all came to this tribe.

Why can't it be wilgy?
It could be I just don't think it is.

How confident are you about this?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 8:16 pm In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with your already documented desire to lynch Doc.

If we're just gonna go "Hey lets lynch X and not talk about anything or anyone else" for like...the rest of the game... IDK.

My predetermined preference to lynch wilgy has to do with the 7 days I spent in the Cerberus thread with wilgy and the rest of us newcomers in which i came to feel good about all of them to varying degrees. I can't help it if the three players I have the most reason to read as town all came to this tribe.

Why can't it be wilgy?

In answer to DH's probing, I think wilgy is the most likely member of the former Cerberus tribe to have killed sprityo, and there isn't really a close second.

Paranoia is unnecessary and maybe even irresponsible right now. I know the tribal configuration are to be treated as more or less random, but we can assume that they're relatively balanced in terms of alignment distribution, or they were at the time of button-pushing.
We just eliminated two baddies on our first day together. Odds are this tribe is currently comprised predominantly of civilians. If there was ever a time to be calm and collected in a mafia game, it's now.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:46 pm It took like 6 nights for anyone from this tribe to be nightkilled.
And you lot turn up and we start dying straight off.

SVS died before we got here

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:44 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:37 pm Cecil survives ~8 or 9 days after I outted him in the thread with our original Pikachu tribe mates and the Night that the new guys get here and find out he's a gossiper role, he dies? Uh-huh

One of the Cerb people killed Cecil. Probably not Doc since he doesn't give a wet fart about the game it looks like
I see no reason to dismiss wilgy on these grounds.

In vocaroo II he was bad and essentially made no posts in the thread, but was apparently active in BTSC the whole game. A public appearance of not caring does not mean wilgy doesn't care.
OK But lets assume it wasn't Doc.

Then it was you or Scotty.

I assume it was Wilgy.

It took like 6 nights for anyone from this tribe to be nightkilled.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 7:37 pm Cecil survives ~8 or 9 days after I outted him in the thread with our original Pikachu tribe mates and the Night that the new guys get here and find out he's a gossiper role, he dies? Uh-huh

One of the Cerb people killed Cecil. Probably not Doc since he doesn't give a wet fart about the game it looks like

I see no reason to dismiss wilgy on these grounds.

In vocaroo II he was bad and essentially made no posts in the thread, but was apparently active in BTSC the whole game. A public appearance of not caring does not mean wilgy doesn't care.

vote drwilgy aubergine etc.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:20 pm ISOs up.

Scotty, you aren't getting an iso link of my posts because it is literally redundant. So there

Not on mobile it's not.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Mar 19, 2018 6:14 pm Either Sloonei is the civviest of the civs (I’ve held that position basically all game) or he’s been bamboozling us all. He deserves to win if he and Marmot are aligned, which the right side of my brain is twitching to me right now.

Could be time for a lobotomy

I could be an evil even.

For reference, the other tribe currently consists of:

Boomslang
colonialbob
Dom
Dragon D Luffy
insertnamehere
LoRab
nijuukyugou
Quin
sig
Speedchuck
S~V~S

I've said this already, but just for the sake of clarity:
My top town reads in Cerberus were Kyle, spacedaisy, and Scotty. Those three all happened to be come along here. I find it unlikely that I could be swayed to vote for any of them at this time.
Marmot was my primary suspect for a while. We've lynched him on two consecutive days and that suspicion has been validated. Sweet.
DrWilgy is, as always, a wild card. I pegged him as a light green town read on my imaginary rainbow, but as the POE field is narrowed down, he sticks out as a good candidate to be lynched.

Epi and DH (along with Quin) were my town reads when I peaked in here on Night 3. Nothing about today's events have swayed me change my mind on them. If sprityo is Cecil, and Cecil is civilian, that leaves us (or me, at least) with wilgy and nobody else as a suspect. I uh guess I'll be inclined to vote for him tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:32 pm Were missing votes a problem over there or something?

Inactivity and absenteeism in general were an issue.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:26 pm Sloonei, has your opinion on Wilgy changed given the reveal?
I would be going back to review wilgy/marmot interactions if I could right now. My POE pool in this tribe is pretty limited and he's one of the people still in it.
What does it mean to be "in it?"

I could vote for wilgy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:26 pm Sloonei, has your opinion on Wilgy changed given the reveal?

I would be going back to review wilgy/marmot interactions if I could right now. My POE pool in this tribe is pretty limited and he's one of the people still in it.

Sig made a comment about being "70% sure" that he'd submitted a haiku on Day 1 and Boomslang fixated on this as the focal point of a sig case. People suspected boomslang for this.

I just remembered speedchuck can't be nutella's/LC's teammate.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:10 pm We talked in our thread about the possibility of a mafia team killing one of their own for credibility in a game where we all have two lives.
She did seem like an odd choice of kill N1.

She did. For all of the reasons Epi talked about.

We talked in our thread about the possibility of a mafia team killing one of their own for credibility in a game where we all have two lives.

Interactive reads between Long Con/nutella and speedchuck might be illuminating. But he's not here.

If the "targeted abilities must target a member of your own tribe" rule applies to nightkills, we could also be in interesting territory.

Google tells me Strexcorp is from Nightvale. I am unfamiliar with the product and did not play in that game. Anyone got info on the flavor?

There are still multiple people over there who have seen speedchuck's flip and hopefully they've not all forgotten about it.

But also, down with ketchup.

I suppose it helps me that I already had two town reads before I showed up. Sprityo is the only player here I don't have a read of.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:10 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:04 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:02 pmThat’s fair. When are you thinking of getting some time to sit down? I’m not saying read the whole thread, but just the people that have shown up inthread since we arrived, you’ve gotta have some feel so far.
I've actually like.... only read the couple pages when we got teleported and then like... not much since then lol.

I'd rather be thorough but 60 pages seems daunting, and if I'm being completely honest this game has had a little trouble gripping hard onto the span of my attention since we've had trouble making anything actually happen for so long. Obviously shit's been going down here. So maybe reading this thread will spark things up again.
down with ketchup. I'm not gonna make any effort to read this thread. I'm here now and the conversation's gonna to where it goes. The pertinent details will come to the surface
At least glance over Golden and Juliet's posts, gives you a refresher on flips

i think i covered most everything relevant in that early post when the day started

We got all the flips in our thread too. There's no new information there.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:04 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:02 pmThat’s fair. When are you thinking of getting some time to sit down? I’m not saying read the whole thread, but just the people that have shown up inthread since we arrived, you’ve gotta have some feel so far.
I've actually like.... only read the couple pages when we got teleported and then like... not much since then lol.

I'd rather be thorough but 60 pages seems daunting, and if I'm being completely honest this game has had a little trouble gripping hard onto the span of my attention since we've had trouble making anything actually happen for so long. Obviously shit's been going down here. So maybe reading this thread will spark things up again.

down with ketchup. I'm not gonna make any effort to read this thread. I'm here now and the conversation's gonna to where it goes. The pertinent details will come to the surface

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:02 pm Did you guys even get Chucks flip on Cerberus?

I believe we did, but the last week has been an exhausted blur for me so I might be creating false memories for convenience.

I'm counting on you, Quin.

I just spent 7 days desperately trying to push a lynch across without success. Then I come here and actively try not to lynch, but it happens anyway.

More importantly, heck yeah.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:29 pm has anything new surfaced about marmot since day 7?

No, it's all been out in the open for a while. He's bad and that's that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:00 pm I'm just not seeing the Epi/chuck connection. I was just Epi's scum partner in Fellowship of the Ring a month ago. He didn't go out of his way to smear me, but he also didn't make protecting me a great big issue, and he certainly wouldn't have done something to draw a clear line between the two of us on Day 1. That's not a thing Epignosis does, and if that is the crux of the case against him, I'm not buying it.
Who cares what he did in LOTR. This isn't that game.

But this is the same player as in that game. And it's not my only experience with scum Epi either. I don't even know if I've ever played a game on the Syndicate that he wasn't involved with in some capacity. I've caught him as a baddie more than once. I've correctly ID'd him as town more than once. He's spanked me as scum too but don't pay attention to that. I'm just saying that the case you are presenting against him does not align with my conception of Epignosis as a mafia player based on our history together.

I'm just not seeing the Epi/chuck connection. I was just Epi's scum partner in Fellowship of the Ring a month ago. He didn't go out of his way to smear me, but he also didn't make protecting me a great big issue, and he certainly wouldn't have done something to draw a clear line between the two of us on Day 1. That's not a thing Epignosis does, and if that is the crux of the case against him, I'm not buying it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:43 pm Remarkable how few people see how great I am at mafia. If you'd just do what I tell you to do we'd have a much easier time of winning the game. I caught speedchuck with his pants down *day 1*, people. Nutella like Day 2 or 3 or something.

What're we doing here, playing mafia or playing footsie-fuck-around?

Oh jeez, whoops I seem to have dropped something. How embarrassing, let's see what it is:

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:52 pm Sloonei, would you say the Evil Evens team has the even kill? If you were designing the game, say.

In the design you are proposing, that would make perfect sense.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:24 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:10 pm Sloonei, do you believe the other mafia team is called the Obnoxious Odds?
I don't think this has to be the case. It's possible. I haven't given it much thought.
The known team are the Evil Evens and so far, their members' ultimate role numbers have been even.

This leads me to believe the other team is called the Obnoxious Odds, and that their ultimate role numbers will be odd.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:14 pmwhat do you make of the "Citadel Council" from the write-ups?
To use your words, I haven't given it much thought. I just took it to be a reference to Mass Effect Mafia (from which Citadel Council comes).

If the hosts are going for symmetry, the Obnoxious Odds would be the other mafia team. I don't know if that's what they're going for, or if they're just mashing things together colorfully. Do you think this might be significant?

My head is at wanting to lynch Marmot among our tribe members, but also hoping to give the other tribe a chance to lynch speedchuck due to the evidence pointed against him right now. If it is up to me, which it always should be, we should give Marmot a comfortable lead in the poll, but not so much that it becomes impossible for the other tribe to override us.

Unless there is another member of this tribe who others might consider a better option than Marmot.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:56 pm Sloonei, besides Marmot and DrWilgy, who've been brought up here, were there any major suspects from your original tribe? I'm sorry if you already answered this elsewhere here.
Niju is player I was growing weary of. She was given a pass for a while because she was the first player nightkilled in the game, but that's clearly something that should be discarded at this point. I had a few substantial reasons for suspecting her that can't really be fleshed out here, and it's been a while since I looked at the other thread anyway.

LoRab was our "low-hanging fruit" option and for most of the game people have been trying to push a case against her, myself included, but I eventually dropped it myself. I don't know how others feel/felt about her.

Boomslang is a big shrug. Of all the players in this game, I think he's the one I am least familiar with. He didn't do anything to stand out as a civilian, but I couldn't find much that was explicitly suspicious about him either.

It was difficult to develop strong reads in our tribe because, until the very last day, we never lynched anybody and the players who were being killed were generally our town reads, the exceptions being sig and INH. we were just coming out of our pseudo-Day 1 phase when the button was pushed.
And you think a thread that couldn't lynch a single person over 8 days will be able to lynch Chuck?

given the evidence that I believe to be available to them, yes. And this is a moot point anyway, given that the thread is now populated by a new group of players. And given that I am not advocating for us waving the white flag today. I just don't think it's imperative that we lynch one of our own today given that the other tribe has the player around whom there is greatest suspicion. If the ideal result of Day 8 is for speedchuck to be lynched, then the other tribe will need to execute a lynch. what part of this are you resisting?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:10 pm Sloonei, do you believe the other mafia team is called the Obnoxious Odds?

I don't think this has to be the case. It's possible. I haven't given it much thought.

what do you make of the "Citadel Council" from the write-ups?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:56 pm Sloonei, besides Marmot and DrWilgy, who've been brought up here, were there any major suspects from your original tribe? I'm sorry if you already answered this elsewhere here.

Niju is player I was growing weary of. She was given a pass for a while because she was the first player nightkilled in the game, but that's clearly something that should be discarded at this point. I had a few substantial reasons for suspecting her that can't really be fleshed out here, and it's been a while since I looked at the other thread anyway.

LoRab was our "low-hanging fruit" option and for most of the game people have been trying to push a case against her, myself included, but I eventually dropped it myself. I don't know how others feel/felt about her.

Boomslang is a big shrug. Of all the players in this game, I think he's the one I am least familiar with. He didn't do anything to stand out as a civilian, but I couldn't find much that was explicitly suspicious about him either.

It was difficult to develop strong reads in our tribe because, until the very last day, we never lynched anybody and the players who were being killed were generally our town reads, the exceptions being sig and INH. we were just coming out of our pseudo-Day 1 phase when the button was pushed.

I think we should continue developing our reads and suspicions and place our votes accordingly, but I don't think it's necessary that we lynch a player from this tribe today.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:41 pm I still think we should have the most votes on the person who should be lynched here (relative to ourselves) just in case something unexpected happens (like two lynches).

Me too.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:34 pm If we all feel confident that speedchuck is bad, should we try to refrain from lynching today?
And assume that the other thread has the nutella flip?

I'd bet that they do.

And that they'll remember Chuck's fake flip,

Our first instinct was to look back for players who had had their roles/alignments revealed out of the blue. There are resourceful mafia players in the other tribe and I have confidence that they'd do the same.

and that they'll lynch chuck?

If the first two points hold up, I see no reason why they would not do this.

Too much to go on.

I disagree.

Speedchuck seems to be our consensus top suspect right now. The only way for us to pursue his death is by abstaining from a lynch.

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