The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:25 pm That's very clever LC. I had noticed the posts started with L, but I didn't catch anything beyond that. I figured it was coincidental. Very nice job.

And no, Sloonei, I was Carl Grimes.

if you hadn’t cleared colin I could have won.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:49 pm Roles have been added to the front page. Also, Speed was Rip, so the Legends ended up playing absolutely no role in the game. It was funny seeing people talk about it so much.

Wow. So the only dead civilian through Day 3 was Matahari.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:58 pm My initial plan was “be supertown and hope that the ten bajillion killing roles eliminate my three targets for me.” I wasn’t counting on both mafia teams being gone in an instant. After that I still wanted town to win, but I was trying to get as many potential Lady Civilians killed before we reached that. I wanted to clear LC because Iris wasn’t on my list.

Oh yeah... your Iris West post:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 30, 2019 12:25 am Well, since you asked...

Here's why we shouldn't vote for Long Con:

Iris Post, Night 1

Spoiler: show

Iris West Blog Post - 5/21/19

"Lots of posts so far, that Day 0 was livelier than most. Obviously, the extended length of it is a factor, I think players were eager to get back to Mafia'ing after a long lull on The Syndicate. Not that lots of posting is a problem, it is good to have more content out there. Good, but more time-consuming to take in.

Congrats to the Cooler voters that stuck with it. Optics are bad on Ultra based on this one, and maybe a couple of others as well. Needless to say, this was a great first lynch, and it should get the ball rolling!"

Player has extended familiarity with Syndicate community (Creature, Dragomir, Luxurious, MafiaMenace, Ultra)
Player approves of accelerated pace with reservations (DrWilgy)
Player used verb "Mafia'ing" (Epignosis)
Player suspects Ultra after Day 1 (DDL, Jack, Sloonei)
Player is at least somewhat active (Spacedaisy)

Iris Post, Night 2

Spoiler: show

"Let's have a moment of silence for Supergirl, brutally murdered before her time. One difficult thing is, it's hard to differentiate the hunting Civilian from the hunting baddie, with two mafia teams. Now I question, how many of Matahari's voters were bad? Gotta be at least a couple by my estimate.

Currently, a lot of Sloonei suspicion. Obviously, you've seen the theories out there. Not too hard to suggest that killing Deathstroke would be a good thing."

Player makes no mention of Sabie (sprityo)

Iris Post, Night 3

Spoiler: show

Iris West Blog Post - 5/27/19

"Lots of good detective work has already been done. Ordinarily I would feel more elated, but the city still has the League of Assassins to deal with. Nutella's lynch is a victory for everyone, but any Civilian cred given for it is reset to zero. Game over, Evil Speedsters... game on, League.

Carry on, good citizens! On to victory! Nail those baddies!"

Player has been exceedingly gracious and not uttered one swear word or cheeky insult at another player in any of their messages, thus is Canadian and not Australian. (Macdougall)

Creature (replaced by Dyslexicon Day 4)
Dragon D Luffy
DrWilgy
Dragomir (Replaced by ColinIsCool Night 2)
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Luxurious
Macdougall
MafiaMenace (Replaced by Funnygurl555 Night 2)
Sloonei
Spacedaisy
sprityo
Ultra

Truly a work of art, from a keen detective's mind. BUT look again, if you will:

"Lots of posts so far, that Day 0 was livelier than most. Obviously, the extended length of it is a factor, I think players were eager to get back to Mafia'ing after a long lull on The Syndicate. Not that lots of posting is a problem, it is good to have more content out there. Good, but more time-consuming to take in.

Congrats to the Cooler voters that stuck with it. Optics are bad on Ultra based on this one, and maybe a couple of others as well. Needless to say, this was a great first lynch, and it should get the ball rolling!"

"Let's have a moment of silence for Supergirl, brutally murdered before her time. One difficult thing is, it's hard to differentiate the hunting Civilian from the hunting baddie, with two mafia teams. Now I question, how many of Matahari's voters were bad? Gotta be at least a couple by my estimate.

Currently, a lot of Sloonei suspicion. Obviously, you've seen the theories out there. Not too hard to suggest that killing Deathstroke would be a good thing."

"Let's have a moment of silence for Supergirl, brutally murdered before her time. One difficult thing is, it's hard to differentiate the hunting Civilian from the hunting baddie, with two mafia teams. Now I question, how many of Matahari's voters were bad? Gotta be at least a couple by my estimate.

Currently, a lot of Sloonei suspicion. Obviously, you've seen the theories out there. Not too hard to suggest that killing Deathstroke would be a good thing."

"Luck is with the Civvies on this one. Ought to be an easy win, unless Deathstroke is the deepest wolf around. Nevertheless, we must perform due diligence and nail it down. Great work though!

Congrats to Sloonei for his amazing detective work. Only when the game is over will the true hilarity of it be revealed. Nominate this man for something; he's the real deal!"

"Long game, it feels like, when things get slow, like that Tony Jaa movie. Ong Bak, the Thai Warrior... I'm getting old I guess, like in that They Might Be Giants song, Ana something. Ng, that's it, Ana Ng. G Man knows that song, where is he these days?

Con turns to Pro if we can nail down Deathstroke. On we go, Civvies, are we going to fail? N O spells no!"

"Look, I don't know if who we can trust here. Obviously the info roles are playing it close to the vest, which I respect. No way around it, we have to lynch the info roles and reveal them, and then they had better have left us some decipherable REAL INFO. Guessing who's legit and who's Deathstroke is handing the game over.

Can anyone give us a better plan than that? Out of the people left, who is tricking us as Deathstroke? Not everyone's "sure Civ" reads are true, but Deathstroke's will surely be."

Notice anything else?

I took the long route.

This was a very well put together game. Like I said at the time, the mafia teams encountered every possible misfortune early on and that kind of blew things up. But it was an exciting early period, even if it made for a somewhat anticlimactic ending. Thank you for the game, [mention]DFaraday[/mention]. Old school Syndicate setups are the bee’s knees.

And well played to all you townies.

My initial plan was “be supertown and hope that the ten bajillion killing roles eliminate my three targets for me.” I wasn’t counting on both mafia teams being gone in an instant. After that I still wanted town to win, but I was trying to get as many potential Lady Civilians killed before we reached that. I wanted to clear LC because Iris wasn’t on my list.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:15 pm What was your role like?

DFaraday wrote:Thu May 16, 2019 8:43 pm You are Prometheus. Your driving goal in life is to make Oliver Queen suffer, but you don't want him to die. You know that Oliver's identity is Macdougall. You will win if both you and Oliver outlive Laurel Lance, Thea Queen, and Felicity Smoak. You have one NK and one protect to use on any night of the game.

Laurel survived, apparently. I was beginning to suspect that was Epi.

But you totally nailed me on the not really trying to lynch Deathstroke at the end.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:34 am HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Linki: Jack, while I agree that PoE wad the right strategy, a PoE should account for afk's beyond other factors first to narrow the scope as much as possible (given a time table of course).

Good Game all. I'm glad my distrust of Sloonbugi was correct. Further happier that me realizing he wasn't my win condition was also correct.

Dissapointed at how bad I was at mafia hunting this game though. My suspicion on Drago was entirely misplaced.

To be clear, I was playing a straight town game until the mafia teams were eliminated. My win con was to keep Olver (Mac) alive longer than three specific town roles. Two of the three got killed.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:31 am Hey Syndicate.

You need to stop lynching/vigging claimed cops. It's the second and third time I see it happen this year.

Also I'm disappointed nobody bothered to comb my posts to see what else I was hinting. Would have saved Luxurious.

I knew. But I was Prometheus and needed a couple more civilians dead to win.

I didn’t do it.

Okay NOW we were probably right.

I say “we” because I clearly had conviction and was a crucial part of this lynch.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:06 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:54 am Who's missing these nightkills?

This is the point that is keeping me from launching into a full investigation here. If somebody was preventing night kills by roleblocking Deathstroke, they would have dropped enough hints to end this thing by now. That hasn’t happened.

Maybe Rip Hunter recruited a blocker and they know who Deathstroke is, but haven't reached their recruity win-con yet, so they're holding him down while they do the necessary work.

If the cult is still active, they won days ago.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:54 am Who's missing these nightkills?

This is the point that is keeping me from launching into a full investigation here. If somebody was preventing night kills by roleblocking Deathstroke, they would have dropped enough hints to end this thing by now. That hasn’t happened.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:08 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:42 pm Colin - Would not lynch.
Funnygurl - Would not lynch.
Sloonei - Would not lynch.
Long Con - Would likely not lynch.
MacDougall - Would lynch.
Spacedaisy - Would lynch.

Can we just lynch you first, and then use that info to guide us confidently?

You have to lynch Deathstroke twice. You don't have that luxury anymore.

How about you just win the game, huh?

Not if Oliver is still alive.

"Due to the Mirakuru and his body armor, he survives the first kill and first lynch attempt on him."

Yes I know. But it’s possible a mafia team shot at him earlier.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:45 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:42 pm Colin - Would not lynch.
Funnygurl - Would not lynch.
Sloonei - Would not lynch.
Long Con - Would likely not lynch.
MacDougall - Would lynch.
Spacedaisy - Would lynch.

Can we just lynch you first, and then use that info to guide us confidently?

You have to lynch Deathstroke twice. You don't have that luxury anymore.

How about you just win the game, huh?

Not if Oliver is still alive.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:13 pm Is that really the extent of your Epi read?

@Sloonei can you offer me each of your town reads and what percentage of surety you have about them?

You and LC are my most Would Not Vote players left.
Colin would be more of a suspect if not for Epi vouching for him.
Epi vouching for Colin compels me to trust Epi more.
Funnygurl and Spacedaisy have both hopscotched on out of here but could still be submitting kills. The Jack kill struck me as coming from somebody who was paying attention though.

I guess Epi and Colin are the players I’d want to scrutinize the most.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:18 pm Ok, so who did Felicity submit to the host? Surely there must be some clue in Sprit's post.

Although it only matters if the role was Deathstroke, and he should have been a roaring lion in the thread by now if that were the case.

Whatever sabie’s role was.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:27 am @Sloonei why is Epignosis not Deathstroke?

Mostly the same reasons he’s ruling me out. He’s done a few things which don’t seem to align with a player whose primary interest in making people be dead, and he’s been crossing names off the Deathstroke list since we eliminated the scum teams.

But maybe he’s insisting that these behaviors are anti-serial killer because that’s how he wants us to feel about him.

This game feels like it should be over.

Did Deathstroke purposely withhold kills until wilgy was lynched?

Mac is not a viable lynch option.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:06 pm I have solved this. Deathstroke is Long Con. I am 100% sure of it.

Then who is iris?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:25 am Epi deserves to get lynched just for being so mean to LC.

Sloonei what's the POE? This is bumcrap.

Idk anymore

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:54 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:12 amSpacedaisy is... a player in this game too.

She bowed out of the other game... and stayed in this one.

I dunno if I wanna read too much into that. Zootopia is just starting out, this one is winding down. I would take it as her just not wanting the extended commitment.

I too would like to know why epi was sure I’m deathstroke one moment but not the next. To the extent that he’s able to explain it, at least.

The Jack kill doesn’t strike me as funnygurl, who would have been next up in my POE. I just came back to NO U Epi, but I see he’s reversed course on me and now I don’t know what to think. He’s done a handful of things that strike me as distinctly Town Epignosis in this game, but sometimes looking like obvious Town Epignosis means the opposite of that. He’s become my tinfoil suspect, but I still don’t feel like that’s right.

That Jack started doubting sprit late in the game gives me pause as well. I had been wondering whether Jack possibly knew something about sprit which encouraged him to trust the sabie vote on Day 2. But then, there is that Sabie vote to deal with. Unless we think that juliets and speedchuck were both speedsters and nutella intended to kill sabie night 2 when she was Public Enemy #1, sprityo appeared to have had genuine information on her. It’s possible he was bullshitting and got lucky.

Spacedaisy is... a player in this game too.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:03 pm Lynch Sloonei. He's Slade.

Nope

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 8:20 pm Guys I really thought I could do this, but I’ve just been insanely swamped with a guest in from out of town, I just started a new job today, and I’m taking a Spanish course for college right now too. So I appreciate you guys bearing with me. I have a crap ton of stuff to do for class tonight, I’m replacing out of one game and hopefully can pay more attention to this one if I cut back on my mafia commitments here. I’ll try to get in here tonight. And I think tomorrow I can devote some time to really properly playing. I’m so sorry guys.

This game is basically over.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:09 am Oh cool. That probably means we were right.

Probably is a strong word for a 50/50 chance based on the known remaining roles.

EVERYONE. PLEASE REMEMBER HOW PUSHY SLOONEI HAS BEEN TOWARDS ME WHEN I'M GONE.

I'd be more useful to town if I get through the NK, so I'd advise to settle for the lynch that will surely happen tomorrow. If we still have town kills avaliable, let's kill Funnygirl or Sloonei. At this point, shit all feels like legacy posting, but my legacy post will be more useful tomorrow.

Worst case scenario, both sloonei and I die for no reason and we have afew more myslinches left.

I moved my vote off you and talked about other suspects for most of the day because I didn’t want us to rush into this lynch.

By “probably right” I mean you clearly have one of the two roles that survives its first lynch. We are only certain that one of those roles is still active, and we specifically lynched you on suspicion of being that lne role. We were probably right.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:30 pm Ok, so if Wilgy is Barry Allen, then we lynch Sloonei next.

I’d rather we didn’t.

Oh cool. That probably means we were right.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:41 pm We hammered also which threw out the times right? Makes sense that someone hardly paying attention missed. Doesn't make sense that Wilgy failed to submit a kill.

Could be. I could vote for either of them today. But we've also got plenty of time if we're wrong.

Why am I out of the POE? I feel like the POE is a bit haphazard?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:49 pm Not 100 on why you're all voting for Wilgy

Give me a solid reason and I'll join you

Process of elimination. If you’ve got a good reason to believe it’s somebody else, share it.

Funnygirl hasn't posted and I think Deathstroke walked away?

She made one post, but it was to say she's too busy to post.

POE is sacred and unquestionable. He commits blasphemy by shaming it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 11:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:56 pm Wilgy’s frustration seems real.

Considering Deathstroke's position, I don't think that's necessarily town indicative.

Me neither. Plus his denouncement of POE seems out of place.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:49 pm Not 100 on why you're all voting for Wilgy

Give me a solid reason and I'll join you

Process of elimination. If you’ve got a good reason to believe it’s somebody else, share it.

Wilgy’s frustration seems real.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 10:28 pm Who am I voting for?

Wilgy’s at the front of the POE line.

DF, can you make my vote a double please?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:24 pm In addition, does serial killer Funny gurl go through that much effort to not kill? I don't think so.

She did just tell us she can’t continue playing.

But I hear your point.

I’m not completely enamored with her catch up effort.

Moved back to wilgy. We’ve probably POE’d the game to conclusion by now. I doubt anything new will come to light that crosses his name off the list. Funnygurl would be my next choice.

Not yet

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:28 pm hi

sorry, college reunions, and my life is doing this downward spiral thing

i'm requesting a replacement @DFaraday

sorry guys. i was really hyped for this game

We’re pretty much just kicking dirt until we land on the serial killer. By making this post you’re one of the more active players of the phase.

The only player who could potentially gain more than Zero from intentionally withholding a kill is Wilgy, I think. He's already Hot Stuff #1 in the POE, so he there's nothing he can really lose at this point. Abstaining from the kill forces us to speculate about whether or not it was simply forgotten.

The only civilian roles we know to be dead are Harrison Wells and Supergirl.
Harrison was able to give out "inventions" on Nights 1 & 4, if I'm following correctly. It's possible there was some sort of bulletproof vest in there. There's up to 3 other dead civilians, but we don't really have a way to know what those are. Possibly active roles that could prevent a kill:

Laurel - Roleblocker
John, sort of - Could prevent Oliver's death, but some other means would have to account for John surviving a kill himself.
Thea - Would not negate a kill, but would redirect it. I believe this role was already triggered earlier in the game anyway.

So really the only conceivable means by which a kill could have been prevented last night would be from a Laurel roleblock or from somebody hypothetically receiving a vest from Harrison at some point in the game.

I haven’t looked closely at the remaining roles to figure out what potential abilities could have prevented a kill.

If there was no kill at all last night, who’s Deathstroke? Daisy or funnygurl would have been the most likely to simply forget, I think.

I can’t see Epi or Mac withholding a kill for “strategic” gain. I don’t think that’s in Jack’s playbook either. I can’t say with confidence that I know Long Con, Colin, or sprit would never make that move, but none of them really stand to gain anything by doing it here. Maybe sprit could be a candidate for forgetting to submit, but I feel like he’s been attentive enough to not drop the ball here.

I don’t get how you are making that leap. My suggestion came from a mindset of patience for this day phase. In the event that somebody did prevent last night’s kill, that person should have a greater chance of identifying who Deathstroke is. My goal was to encourage people to wait before hammering on you. It’s the same reason I moved my vote off of you too.

That’s it. I do not know what motive you are suggesting I had. Maybe you’re not suggesting any particular motive at all.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 3:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 2:46 pm We also do know that only Deathstroke needs to die for town to win.

Yes, but do the pther 3rd party players need to survive? A deflection or forced push could be a direct result of that need to surive of other third party just as much as deathstroke.

Hell, Prometheus or time mage man may be stalling for time to achieve their win conditions by not actually hunting for all we know.

Is this still related to my suggestion that the nightkill was prevented rather than not submitted?

We also do know that only Deathstroke needs to die for town to win.