The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 8:39 pm Idk how you guys changed Dunya’s dream like that but it was really effective.

BWONG

since people thought i was just being a jerk:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:35 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:00 pm

Day 0 begins now and will last 24 hours. Each player may post a maximum of 25 times during Day 0. All Jiggy pursuits, night actions, and voting will not take place until Day 1 and onward. You may begin posting.
y'all wasting moments time with each rhyme. all that effort in vain for no benefit gain.

i'm just subverting the obvious rhymes that should have been there. it's very humorous wordplay, please laugh.

Jiggies were a neat wrinkle to add in what was technically our first official venture into this format. I liked that, as the player pool shrunk, the post cap grew. It opened the mid-game up quite a lot after feeling very confined on Day 1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:32 pm Sorry but I was hoping Russ would block Sloonei on Night 4 just so I could laugh at the eternal futility of his role

I would have laughed pretty hard.

But that block... such an accidental source of WIFOM attached to Turnip Head's role there. I was convinced turnip was bad because that role should be dead the instant it claims 9 times out of 10. The only exception is a mafia roleblock.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:13 pm oh highlight quote gets rid of formatting so we can't see how profound my blunder was. Russ was my top town read on Day 1 in a class of his own.
He fooled us all really.

I JKed him N1 because of it, even if I did have the slightest of tinfoils. That'd been wild if I had stopped the kill then.

We both targeted him because we had him as our top town reads, I assume.
and then the same with dunya the next night.
then i had submitted my night 3 action on you initially.

oh highlight quote gets rid of formatting so we can't see how profound my blunder was. Russ was my top town read on Day 1 in a class of his own.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:46 pm Russtifinko
Epignosis
Mac
MP
DDL
Nanook
dunya
nutella
Turnip Head
sig
Tony
G-man
speedchuck

i am exhausted.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 6:07 pm It was right at the last moment when Russ asked how ties are decided that I decided my vote. That's not something the mafia player needs to care about. Superb finishing touch.
well I mean it sometimes is

Not at that moment.

I felt so cool when I thought I trapped Turnip Head in BTSC today.

i'm sorry turnip friend

It was right at the last moment when Russ asked how ties are decided that I decided my vote. That's not something the mafia player needs to care about. Superb finishing touch.

butts. excellently played, russ.

I have a sinking feeling but I can't figure out why so I'm just trusting my gut. Sorry if I'm losing a second straight game for town.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:58 pm Come on Russti, go against your tunnelling and help us win this.

Last post. Good game guys. Love you all whatever happens lol.

who's us?

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:57 pm Do we know how tied lynches are decided? Coin flip?

i believe coin flips have been jay's preferred method in the past.

the one post that epi called out nutella for on Day 1 where she slapped a premature town read on dunya is the one and only blemish I can find against her, but even that is easily explained away by a nervous nutella rather than a teammate associative read gone wrong.

In Assassin's Creed I voted for Tony over Long Con at lylo, but I was wrong and the thing that I overlooked was that Tony kept fighting until the end, whereas LC spent the last two phases mostly responding/reacting to the thread around him. This time TH has been the one who looks to be stalled out. My vote is partially an attempt to correct a past mistake.

If dunya is bad then my vote for Best Mafia Player is locked in this year.

[VOTE: turnip head] aubergine i think

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:47 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:46 pm I kinda already shot my shot today with the attempted TH trap. I'm tempted to stick to my guns there. I'm in my own head after I made the wrong choice in Assassin's Creed.
What does this mean?

I kinda already shot my shot today with the attempted TH trap. I'm tempted to stick to my guns there. I'm in my own head after I made the wrong choice in Assassin's Creed.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:44 pm @Sloonei What should I do??? No lynch or TH lynch???

I have no idea, tbh.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 5:39 pm Can dunya (or anyone) point me to the TH/nutella interactions that look bad? I just skimmed through, and all I saw was TH GTH'ed nutella as a slight scum read. Somewhat panic-reading here, so sorry if I missed it.

I talked about it a bit in my early nutella ISO, but that's a bigger post about lots of things. My main concern was that nutella seemed to be voicing suspicion of Turnip Head, but it was mostly empty.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 4:22 pm [VOTE: No Lynch ] aubergine

Less than 2 hours before deadline and we still have reached no consensus

If No Lynch wasn't an option, where would your vote be?

I think that I could vote for Russ. If I try to convince myself it's dunya, everything goes in the opposite direction. She passes all the tests for me. I reviewed the early game, and Turnip looks better than Russ in retrospect. My concerns about Russ from yesterday have not gone away, and his content today, while very much appreciated, has a bit of formality(?) to it, as though he's doing this all out of obligation rather than necessity. It also feels like he's not really arriving at anything decisive. I expect uncertainty at this point, but let's take his most recent substantive post as an example:

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:54 pm This is hard. I still think I have a VERY slight dunya lean, but I am trying very hard to keep an open mind that I've been pocketed by TH and am tunneling them as a result. Occam's Razor would suggets Sloon is telling the truth, and if that's the case, the TH suspicion of Sloon is far-fetched and somewhat counterproductive.

This reads like a player who's biding him time and waiting for the right moment to cast a vote for anybody. I don't sense the inner turmoil that the words suggest, and there's no way to tell which way Russ is ultimately going to go here.

Turnip Head sounds guilty today. The tone of their posts is almost emitting an apology for continuing to insist on me as a suspect.

I think Russ asked about how our BTSC would have blown up turnip’s plans today. I am mostly speaking psychologically there. Yes, a scum turnip can simply deny that we have BTSC and hope that you guys believe that. But that would require abject falsehood when I’m sitting right here. It becomes a deeper and more personal lie.

And that doesn’t even factor in the odds of you guys choosing Turnip’s account of events over mine. I was cleared in everyone else’s eyes before today.

But then that just prompts me to ask why a scum Turnip Head would choose me as their mislynch bait. I’ve clearly had the most secure position in this game of the four of us. The initial speculation was that going after me is a bold move meant to look sincere for being counterintuitive. That still holds up, but I struggle with it a little bit. Turnip Head might just be having an internal crisis with this game right now.

If I ask myself what Russ or dunya would look like as scum, I could see dunya fitting the part right now. If she’s bad, then she just needs to look like a civilian who’s uncertain and trying to solve, and she can then count on my vote not going to her. Make that especially easy by feeding into my existent uncertainty about TH.

But then I’m just playing the wifom game. “Dunya is mafia because she doesn’t look like mafia” isn’t a stance I would want to bank this game on.

I do not believe I have ever seen what Russ looks like with a mafia role card. His hunting in this game has followed all the patterns of vintage syndicate inquiry. Maybe that’s a bad thing? Maybe he’s just putting up token efforts to keep us all disarmed. Once again, I find myself staring intently and being unable to offer anyting more than a shrug when I try to scum read him.

So I come back to Turnip Head, who is currently insisting on a version of events that willfully denies clear and present evidence, who almost looks to be asking for our forgiveness in all of their posts, who had the wonkiest interactions with nutella of anyone left in this game.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 1:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:54 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 pm yeah well i hate the idea of extending it 1 more day because of the fact you'll be dead and nothing new for me except a bombardment of accusations. i don't feel like going there and losing town the game because i couldn't defend myself properly.

if deadline was 5 minutes from now, who would your vote be on Sloonei
Turnip. That’s the simplest answer. I just have to convince myself that the simple answer is the correct one.
why isn't russ mafia. i dont want a long post, just some brief points.

I believe him when he’s trying to solve the game.
Your point about him and nutella also rings true to me.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 12:38 pm yeah well i hate the idea of extending it 1 more day because of the fact you'll be dead and nothing new for me except a bombardment of accusations. i don't feel like going there and losing town the game because i couldn't defend myself properly.

if deadline was 5 minutes from now, who would your vote be on Sloonei

Turnip. That’s the simplest answer. I just have to convince myself that the simple answer is the correct one.

I don’t hate the idea of dragging this out one extra day. It most likely means I’m dead, but it might help clarify some things for somebody. I’m super busy and don’t think I’ll find the time to do anything in depth today.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:54 am How can you know for a fact that sloonei won't be at Lylo?

Why are you refusing to consider the other two?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:56 pm See, look how townie Russ looks in that post. He's being so considerate and deliberate. This guy's town.

I think DDL was killed instead of me because DDL was outed town (so can't be mislynched), baddies had a way to block me, and I could potentially be mislynched.

At the time that dunya suspected me I thought she was bad because I wasn't considering Sloonei to be in my PoE. So she almost had to be bad because she was trying to mislynch me and I didn't suspect Russti (and again I wasn't considering that sloonei could be bad instead). It was a paranoid way of thinking, but I also think dunya was being paranoid when she suspected me and Russ, so I can empathize with that.

Everyone left has played really really well. I just think me, Russ and dunya feel the towniest, and if either of you are bad, you're basically a genius. I think sloonei feels the least townie and is only cleared by dubious mechanics which can't be verified, but that means he's ALSO a genius if he's bad.

We are literally in BTSC right now and you’re referring to it as “dubious mechanics.” I am not declaring myself cleared; others have done that for me. My “breadcrumbing” cleared me in the eyes of others because of the context in which it happened. This has been explained multiple times already. My roleclaim came up of my own volition because I realized it could clear MP, a player I had been previously trying to lynch. The role itself is cumbersome and inconvenient to claim if false. You now have 100% incontestable verification that my claim has not been false. I struggle to believe that a civilian turnip head could actually be convinced that I am mafia right now. I actually think dunya might be bad, but I can’t shake myself free from the simplest answer, which is that you are bad and our BTSC completely ruined your plan for the day.

I’ve had a busier day than planned so I haven’t got around to reviewing things. I don’t know if/when I will do that.

There’s also this to consider: Turnip Head’s role claim is super powerful in late game, the kind of thing that can easily win the game for town in our current situation. The only way it makes sense for that role to survive last night is for there to be a roleblocker on the other side. I brought this up as a point to consider in TH’s favor earlier, but now I’m doing the opposite: if Turnip Head claims to have a result today, the lie becomes obvious: the mafia player had no way of stopping that role, and thus there’s no way they should have been left alive. TH has to claim no result.

I agree with the point about TH’s claim of no result today. It makes more sense for a mafioso to just say that it was one of us. But my paranoia regarding that is that TH’s plan all along was to pin it on me, but that was blown up the moment we wound up in BTSC together.

But I owe it to everyone in this game to re-evaluate before I make a decision.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 2:07 pm The only way it makes sense for TH not to have been the kill last night is if the remaining mafia member is a roleblocker. That’s not an uncommon role to see. But it’s also the only role that scum TH could use to explain their lack of result. So I’m of two minds there. I’ll try to sort out dunya and russ at some point.
no one's actions have failed the whole game though, so i feel like it's a stretch to add another PR to the mix to justify a turnip PR. it's like doing more mind gymnastics than i think we're meant to do.

My actions failed, but those are already accounted for.

The other items I can distribute are:
A single jiggy
Two jiggies
1-shot roleblock
1-shot vote subtraction

The roleblock is still in my pocket as far as I know, and either way it’s not an item I would personally be able to use. As far as I know, my BTSC with Turnip is the only successful shot I’ve taken all game and all four of these items are sitting unused.
The BTSC ability does not interfere with the targeted player’s role in any way.

I checked to make sure the vote subtraction would not usable at lylo before I targeted TH. To be clear, I went for TH as a sort of bluff call. I didn’t believe their claim (a death-watcher should almost always be the nightkill in a 4-civilian pool), and wanted to confirm myself to them for a reaction.

The only way it makes sense for TH not to have been the kill last night is if the remaining mafia member is a roleblocker. That’s not an uncommon role to see. But it’s also the only role that scum TH could use to explain their lack of result. So I’m of two minds there. I’ll try to sort out dunya and russ at some point.

I highly highly highly doubt it, but I’ll ask.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 1:48 pm what if sloonei's role is literally taking someone into btsc, but as a sort of scum roleblocker. hence why turnip's wouldn't work. but it didn't work on me and russ cos MP had us jailkept.

that is my tinfoil of the day.

When has a role like that ever existed?
When has a role like that ever existed in a game hosted by Jay?
How could a role like that exist in this game right now? Where town is on a post restriction, and the host made careful considerations to otherwise balance things out to benefit the town. This role would be game breaking.

I literally confirmed my role to you. There can’t possibly be anything more that I could do. I claimed my role, I demonstrated how I’d hinted at this role days earlier, I used my claim to clear a player I was going to vote for otherwise, and then I targeted you and you received the most undeniable confirmation of my role’s power that you could have possibly seen.

Amy further posts spent talking about this are a waste. If it’s not turnip head, it’s dunya or russ. You guys didn’t seem to care that I had my vote on dunya earlier.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:18 am Sloonei can you give other items besides temporary BTSC? If so, what? And what did you try to give to me and dunya? (Again, assuming all of this doesn't relate to earning jiggies. If it does, don't answer.)

Yes. BTSC is actually the one item I didn’t want TH to get. I wanted them to deny that they received anything.

I don’t choose what I send. So I don’t know what I was trying to send you. Just something. I’ll check with the host to make sure it’s okay for me to share the other items.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:06 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 11:46 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:33 pm I am Leaky and my role could still be useful if we go to Lylo.

I select a player two nights in the game, and if that player is killed that night i learn who killed them. I didn't use it the first two nights and last night I selected DDL thinking they would kill him for sure, but they went with G-Man instead. I still have one watch left.
The limited utility of the role where it only works upon death does not mesh with anything else in the game, or with the style of role i'd expect to see in a jay game.
Why doesn't it mesh with the game? I think it fits fine, and more importantly, it is my actual role. I think sloonei's role is the one that doesn't fit, and the revealed mafia so far is noticeably missing a manipulator/disruptor role, which I think can fit for Sloonei.

Russtifinko, can you point me towards Sloonei's breadcrumb?

This is a pretty standard town role.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

Also TH has gone almost completely silent today after having me confirmed as town. That's not particularly encouraging. I think the plan had to have been to keep pushing me.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 2:33 pm I am Leaky and my role could still be useful if we go to Lylo.

I select a player two nights in the game, and if that player is killed that night i learn who killed them. I didn't use it the first two nights and last night I selected DDL thinking they would kill him for sure, but they went with G-Man instead. I still have one watch left.

The limited utility of the role where it only works upon death does not mesh with anything else in the game, or with the style of role i'd expect to see in a jay game.

the post cap does favor mafia. but jiggies also severely lessened the impact of the cap as the game wore on. I'm not sure what I think of the balance. The flavor of TH's role as they described it initially seemed out of balance with the rest of the roles though.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:25 pm
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:20 pm Sloon/TH, what was given/received last night? (IF IT IS RELATED TO JIGGIES, DO NOT SAY AND GET MODKILLED!) Could that possibly explain the no result?

It probably was too optimistic, but I was kinda of hoping we'd just get the game handed to us to start the day.
I have five 1-shot items to give out. I can only choose my target, and not what item they get. I targeted TH. We now have temporary BTSC for the phase. There is no way that should have interfered with TH's claimed role that I know of.
im jealous i want btsc with you and TH

i mean we'd basically just be excluding russ at that point.

What do we all think? TH claims to have got no result. TH's role is such that he would be the most sensible kill last night, unless the remaining mafia role is a rolebloacker.

I believe that I am officially confirmed now, no?

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:20 pm Sloon/TH, what was given/received last night? (IF IT IS RELATED TO JIGGIES, DO NOT SAY AND GET MODKILLED!) Could that possibly explain the no result?

It probably was too optimistic, but I was kinda of hoping we'd just get the game handed to us to start the day.

I have five 1-shot items to give out. I can only choose my target, and not what item they get. I targeted TH. We now have temporary BTSC for the phase. There is no way that should have interfered with TH's claimed role that I know of.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 10:00 pm @Sloonei @Turnip Head who did both of you target last night?

sloonei, if you gave something to ddl im gonna throw this desk over.

Don't you worry. I gave something to turnip head.

Do the part where you say things!

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