The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:24 am wait is this real

Like, the whole game or just these recent events?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 2:14 am It’s D1. We should go no lynch and wait for info.

Honestly in this game I don’t hate that strategy, but I doubt mac would allow it. Also Hank is dying no matter what we do, it seems

I scanned Martin’s ISO and didn’t feel compelled to call him a town read.

PunchyTheCat wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:51 am how do i win a socky i want one

Make the funniest post of the year.

Nutella tim horton’s confirmed

jumpluff wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:44 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:43 am Moved my second vote to ttc.

Why does martin have votes? I’m not interesting in defenestrating geesechuck, and I maintain a slight, minimally informed town read on 112.
He has a very small ISO, would rather know if you've read it or not before commenting further

I have not.

Moved my second vote to ttc.

Why does martin have votes? I’m not interesting in defenestrating geesechuck, and I maintain a slight, minimally informed town read on 112.

Maple wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 1:00 am is speed the guy pretending to be a car

Lol

iaafr wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:39 am man idk i keep wanting to be contrarian but im not actually sure anythings worth vetoing

except possibly sloonei

Is this a possibly town read?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:29 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:26 am
Maple wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:22 am Sometimes I think "maybe I should just invert my reads", but then I remember I'm good at this game
Sometimes I think I’m good at this game, then I realize I should invert my reads.
you're just gonna serve me up a hanging curve like that huh

I still have not been in a tunnel as bad as I was that time. It was a once in a lifetime experience, and I’m sorry you had to be on the wrong end of it.

Maple wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:22 am Sometimes I think "maybe I should just invert my reads", but then I remember I'm good at this game

Sometimes I think I’m good at this game, then I realize I should invert my reads.

Adam_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:18 am okay this might be one message more than you're interested in entertaining, @Sloonei, but you wouldn't happen to have that avocado picture on your computer still? i keep a /pictures/avatars folder with everything i've used for the past 5 years, so i figured it's worth a shot. won't poke you about this again :P

Nah, I’ve upgraded my laptop at least once since then. But now that you’ve probed me about it, I am pretty sure that I did have an avocado avatar when I first joined. That could just be a false memory though.

I still have a partially serious and minimally informed vote on Iwan, if anyone has thoughts there.

Adam_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:15 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:13 am
Adam_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:03 am i had to ask because i know i had a positive opinion of some avocado avatar rando who came to MU for champs, and that's a pretty rare thing. would have given a pass and >rand consideration
was it this year? i've specced this whole season and don't remember an avocado but idk
nah i haven't read champs in a long, long time. last person i specced was one of thesunfan or nachomama or kami. never liked champs

Sunfan was in my qualifier game the first time I played.

Jumpluff can be town, in case anyone is concerned.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:14 am awesom-o getting wagoned here is real mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and i have town reads on exactly zero of the participants there which means they're all town and awesom-o is scum ofc

My vote is 70% self-pres, 30% wanting to insist that at least one wolf is voting for me.

[VOTE: awesome-o] aubergine
Unvoted hyena

Adam_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:03 am i had to ask because i know i had a positive opinion of some avocado avatar rando who came to MU for champs, and that's a pretty rare thing. would have given a pass and >rand consideration

This is bizarre because when I first made my MU account I considered two avatars, both of which represented memes from RYM (my original site): one was the Bill Clinton corkscrew, the other was an avocado. I don’t remember if I ever actually went with the avocado, but I am 100% certain that I gave it 50% consideration.

This would have been ~4 or 5 years ago though

jumpluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:29 pm
jumpluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:26 pm
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Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:17 pm “Bizarre and anti-consensus reads on his shooters...”

What?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:46 pm
jumpluff wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:38 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine
The fool revealed himself as a devious scoundrel seeking to undermine my plan!

Also I was unaware my old vote on Ace was still there. Votes usually just move on their own when I change them.
many shots were taken at you; Hyena, nutella, and 112 declared themselves as challengers towards you

yet I ask

was this, too, part of the Plan? do you cast blame down upon them, or tolerate their antics?
112 is a trusted lieutenant. Nutella is devious and nebulous. We may never know. Hyena is the most concerning of the triumvirate.
(I took these as reads, but looking at it, it occurs to me that it might not be?...)

I found this really opposite from how I see the game

It's not that I find that in itself wolfy; I'm a terribly low confidence player, to the point that (as I stated when asked about this earlier) I tend to assume when I see something completely opposite from how I view the game, it's because the other person is right and I'm wrong. I don't assume I'm right on people until I start flipping wolves, which seems to be atypical

Hyena is extremely villagery to me. nutella's towniest posts have come since you said this, and I think what you were trying to say is that she's a strong player, but I didn't find her wolfy at all, whereas the time I did play with her, she was fairly consistently sussed. 112 I find to be a generally opaque person but wolfy this game, and it surprises me that you could be confident that 112 shot you from a good place, especially since... 112 shot you so they apparently don't share that. 112's claim is also a >rand w role (but not necessarily a wolf)

I felt like the awareness of the players expressed (enough to give reads) would mean you would be motivated to show why you disagreed with everyone on Hyena and 112 in particular, rather than simply answer the question; basically, I don't think what bob said applied to it

I agree it's potentially an easy wagon for wolves to latch onto ('arbitrary'), which is why I'm interrogating it given the opportunity, but it feels more right to me than most options atm
To add onto this - I think you showed people who outright tried to remove you from the game with a single bullet of kp more suspicion than people who don't know you very well voting you with their 2 votes, which is not intuitive

That’s because I can’t be bothered to put in the worK to read all them yet, and I didn’t have any of those votes until more recently.

Adam_ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:01 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:58 pm These are definitely reads, i do not deny that. What I’m questing is their categorization as “bizarre“ and “anti-consensus”; bizarre because I don’t know why anything would be wrong with them, and anti-consensus because, like, it’s Day 1. We should be penalizing people for differing opinions.

To elaborate on those reads as the time (which is mostly also as they are now, though I’m feeling better about Hyena), my opinions of all three was based solely on their posts about me. I have not had and will not have time to keep up fully with this game, so for most of Day 1 I’ve mostly just played the hermit crab and only poked my head out when I see my name come up. So I suspected hyena based purely on the way they came after me. Likewise, I town read 112 and nutella entirely because of their early thoughts on me. Nutella is almost literally always suspicious of me by default, and I do not feel like her concerns so far have been fabricated. 112, on the other hand, was getting on my case because my “tone” felt off when I was clearly roleplaying Dr Sloonman was at the helm. I don’t think that’s the kind of false read that a mafia 112 pushes on Day 1.

I do not know or care (well, I care, but not as it pertains to the formation of my own initial reads) what the consensus opinion has been on any of these three before or after any of this.
double shroop? it's 12am and everything. dunno

sloonei did you use an avocado avatar on MU

No. Or, I don’t think I did. Maybe a long time ago. I have only played champs games there like four years apart. Why do you ask?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Aug 05, 2020 12:00 am
Adam_ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:32 pm what was sloonei's avatar on MU? were they an avocado or something?
paprika

Used to be Bill Clinton corkscrew. Now it’s the same as it is here.

If I’m understanding things correctly, Hank will be eliminated in addition to the top two vote recipients in the poll, rather than being one of our two normal eliminations himself?

I’ll most likely need to cast two early self-pres votes.

jumpluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:17 pm “Bizarre and anti-consensus reads on his shooters...”

What?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:46 pm
jumpluff wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:38 pm [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine
The fool revealed himself as a devious scoundrel seeking to undermine my plan!

Also I was unaware my old vote on Ace was still there. Votes usually just move on their own when I change them.
many shots were taken at you; Hyena, nutella, and 112 declared themselves as challengers towards you

yet I ask

was this, too, part of the Plan? do you cast blame down upon them, or tolerate their antics?
112 is a trusted lieutenant. Nutella is devious and nebulous. We may never know. Hyena is the most concerning of the triumvirate.
(I took these as reads, but looking at it, it occurs to me that it might not be?...)

I found this really opposite from how I see the game

It's not that I find that in itself wolfy; I'm a terribly low confidence player, to the point that (as I stated when asked about this earlier) I tend to assume when I see something completely opposite from how I view the game, it's because the other person is right and I'm wrong. I don't assume I'm right on people until I start flipping wolves, which seems to be atypical

Hyena is extremely villagery to me. nutella's towniest posts have come since you said this, and I think what you were trying to say is that she's a strong player, but I didn't find her wolfy at all, whereas the time I did play with her, she was fairly consistently sussed. 112 I find to be a generally opaque person but wolfy this game, and it surprises me that you could be confident that 112 shot you from a good place, especially since... 112 shot you so they apparently don't share that. 112's claim is also a >rand w role (but not necessarily a wolf)

I felt like the awareness of the players expressed (enough to give reads) would mean you would be motivated to show why you disagreed with everyone on Hyena and 112 in particular, rather than simply answer the question; basically, I don't think what bob said applied to it

I agree it's potentially an easy wagon for wolves to latch onto ('arbitrary'), which is why I'm interrogating it given the opportunity, but it feels more right to me than most options atm

These are definitely reads, i do not deny that. What I’m questing is their categorization as “bizarre“ and “anti-consensus”; bizarre because I don’t know why anything would be wrong with them, and anti-consensus because, like, it’s Day 1. We should be penalizing people for differing opinions.

To elaborate on those reads as the time (which is mostly also as they are now, though I’m feeling better about Hyena), my opinions of all three was based solely on their posts about me. I have not had and will not have time to keep up fully with this game, so for most of Day 1 I’ve mostly just played the hermit crab and only poked my head out when I see my name come up. So I suspected hyena based purely on the way they came after me. Likewise, I town read 112 and nutella entirely because of their early thoughts on me. Nutella is almost literally always suspicious of me by default, and I do not feel like her concerns so far have been fabricated. 112, on the other hand, was getting on my case because my “tone” felt off when I was clearly roleplaying Dr Sloonman was at the helm. I don’t think that’s the kind of false read that a mafia 112 pushes on Day 1.

I do not know or care (well, I care, but not as it pertains to the formation of my own initial reads) what the consensus opinion has been on any of these three before or after any of this.

jumpluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:13 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:09 pm
jumpluff wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:02 pm colonialbob Can you expand on your thoughts on Sloonei wagon?

Majority of Sloonei voters are from off-site (I know Sloonei is a good player but we're not going to have the same attitude towards Sloonei that Syndicate players are, nor has he represented a strong intention to hardcore solve the game)

So I don't think your take that it's an opportunistic attempt to remove the strongest player around is accurate. Syndicate players (or rather, you and DDL that I recall) have generally been like 'gotta give Sloonei a d1 pass', which is stranger to me and even TMI-y given the dissonance between the respect given and Sloonei's investment

Is it normal for Sloonei to take d1s off?
so Sloonei is a player who's super townleader-y. lots of analysis, pushing and prodding, asking good questions, the lot. so for one thing he's a super strong asset for town if he's town. (even when he tunnels me hardcore )

however, that playstyle is understandably tiring, and I've played in several games with ol' sloondog where he clearly did not want to put forth that effort. he was still helpful, still contributed, and importantly was still town. this game so far reminds me strongly of those games. I can totally see him choosing that style for this giant wacky game.
Can you point me to examples of the bolded? (In this game)

I agree with you that he would do this as villager for the reasoning he's supplied (semis coming up) fwiw. I think the style itself is fairly NAI, but I would like your opinion on the thoughts he's given a lot

I agree that most of my behavior should be read as NAI. That is what makes the votes frustrating. They feel arbitrary.

“Bizarre and anti-consensus reads on his shooters...”

What?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:15 pm
Adam_ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 9:06 pm umm. is end of day 7am eastern? it is right? i keep thinking the cycle is around 9pm eastern (us), not 9pm eastern (aus). made that mistake before the game, too. glad i won't miss EoD. thought i was going to
honestly idk because it doesn't have the timezone. and I don't see a count down timer or whatever either. I missed day 0 which I think was SOD?? not sure. i got the times wrong or over slept??.

The displayed time on the poll is synced to your account’s timezone settings. So if the site displays the correct time for you in general, then the poll is accurate as well.

I did not realize that was an AM on the poll instead of PM. Mac really went and stuck us all on Australia’s time.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 8:47 pm wagon. anti-sloonei wagon.

I just became very disheartened because you’ve been the only one to read me accurately all game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 10:09 pm SPRITYO DOESN'T REALLY HAVE 5 EXTRA VOTES ON HIM I WAS JUST FUCKING WITH HIM

Oh

Let us not forget:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:55 pm SPRITYO HAS RECEIVED 5 ADDITIONAL VOTES ON HIM TODAY

I should have picked Mafia Jargon as my role.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:43 pm @Epignosis in one word, how would you describe this game so far?

That’s not the gif I wanted.

Adam_ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:36 pm also, does anyone know if "funnygurl" played mafia, and specifically video mafia, with the FlashFlashRevolution people?

She comes from FFR, so probably

Geesechuck

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 7:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:54 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:52 pm Yes I'm totally being elitist here but who cares. Sloon earned his "do not yeet day 1" status by posting huge walls of text for years until everyone's eyes bleed. He makes things move.

So whats even the case. Hes seemed okay so far to me.
Because Town Leader Sloon isn’t showing up to this game.
What sloon is showing up then? Meh townish sloon? 3p sloon?...bad sloon?

Dr Sloonman. He could he back any minute, and then I’ll be dissolved in a vat of acid.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:58 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:54 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:52 pm Yes I'm totally being elitist here but who cares. Sloon earned his "do not yeet day 1" status by posting huge walls of text for years until everyone's eyes bleed. He makes things move.

So whats even the case. Hes seemed okay so far to me.
Because Town Leader Sloon isn’t showing up to this game.
Is this the actual reason? Cuz I expect most people here not to know you.

It started with people who know me, and then other people joined in because, I assume, it’s easy to do.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:52 pm Yes I'm totally being elitist here but who cares. Sloon earned his "do not yeet day 1" status by posting huge walls of text for years until everyone's eyes bleed. He makes things move.

So whats even the case. Hes seemed okay so far to me.

Because Town Leader Sloon isn’t showing up to this game.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] in one word, how would you describe this game so far?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:33 pm I heard the east coast is experiencing some Weather TM stay safe friendos

I just lost power for an hour, but it is currently bright and sunny.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:25 pm @Sloonei how do you expect Epi to have approached this game any differently based on his alignment rand?

I don’t, I’m just calling him town because yolo.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:14 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:14 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:13 pm Current Sloonei voters: [Epignosis, nutella, Maple, Hyena, 112, AWESOM-O, jumpluff, Adam_]

I have played exactly 0 games with 4 of these 8 people and do not know why any of them are doing what they are doing.
Epi's vote isn't serious.
'sup sloonei. We haven't interacted.

Who are the woofs in this game?
I do not have a satisfying answer to that question at this time.
maybe that's the reason people are voting you

It's ok to be wrong I won't judge I'm wrong all the time.
I am not afraid of being wrong, I am just answering truthfully. I’m not attempting a full scale analysis of this game while there’s over 30 players remaining. I’m taking little bites. As such, I don’t have any definitive scum reads yet.
Do you have any serious town reads?

No pressure...unless some abundance of kill power falls into town hands I think it is unlikely to reach you before the game is pared down to a size you are willing to chew over, but some preliminary thoughts would be helpful.

112, nutella, Epignosis, tedxtr.

Like I said, I’ve just been keeping an eye on things that directly involve me. So all of these reads sans Epi are related to the way these players have handled their reads on the player called Sloonei.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:44 pm I feel like half of the names I read in the thread aren’t even real players. You could probably convince me there’s someone in this game named Denim_Horse if you wanted to

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:14 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:13 pm Current Sloonei voters: [Epignosis, nutella, Maple, Hyena, 112, AWESOM-O, jumpluff, Adam_]

I have played exactly 0 games with 4 of these 8 people and do not know why any of them are doing what they are doing.
Epi's vote isn't serious.
'sup sloonei. We haven't interacted.

Who are the woofs in this game?
I do not have a satisfying answer to that question at this time.
maybe that's the reason people are voting you

It's ok to be wrong I won't judge I'm wrong all the time.

I am not afraid of being wrong, I am just answering truthfully. I’m not attempting a full scale analysis of this game while there’s over 30 players remaining. I’m taking little bites. As such, I don’t have any definitive scum reads yet.

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:14 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:13 pm Current Sloonei voters: [Epignosis, nutella, Maple, Hyena, 112, AWESOM-O, jumpluff, Adam_]

I have played exactly 0 games with 4 of these 8 people and do not know why any of them are doing what they are doing.
Epi's vote isn't serious.
'sup sloonei. We haven't interacted.

Who are the woofs in this game?

I do not have a satisfying answer to that question at this time.

Current Sloonei voters: [Epignosis, nutella, Maple, Hyena, 112, AWESOM-O, jumpluff, Adam_]

I have played exactly 0 games with 4 of these 8 people and do not know why any of them are doing what they are doing.
Epi's vote isn't serious.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:03 pm Iwan isn't actually voting for me, at least not in the poll. I forget whether or not he actually called a vote for me. But he stated suspicion that felt bogus and reactive.
He was repeating what I had just finished telling him about the TLib shot.

Yes, and I was repeating what he had said to prompt your post. Because jokes.

Iwan isn't actually voting for me, at least not in the poll. I forget whether or not he actually called a vote for me. But he stated suspicion that felt bogus and reactive.

Update: Ted is not a mafier.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:58 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:39 pm Like, I'm fine with 112's suspicion of me. They were the first to say anything negative about me and I don't think they'd have done that as a wolf because at the time it was a risky move.
nutella is incapable of trusting me. I admire her for that, but it makes it difficult to take her suspicions too seriously. She could be putting it on for affect. I believe her so far.
Hyena to me feels to be reveling in the Sloonei suspicion.
After that I regard everyone as a follower and have not reviewed them all in any depth because that's something that Serious Sloonei would do, and that guy's not here.
why was it risky at the time?

how's hyena "reveling" in the suspicion - what tipped you off to believe that?
Because there was a chance I was setting a trap, or just laying low for a minute, or any myriad of things. I have been painfully obviously Not Myself in this game, and a mafia member who is decently familiar with me like 112 would be more hesitant (I think) to harp on that without anyone else saying it first.

Hyena, as far as I can tell, came along after everyone else and has been a little bit more aggressive about the suspicion than I'd like. But if I put my serious hat on for a minute, I'd say I don't really believe in this argument. I'm more concerned about the 5 or so people who have voted for me in the last couple hours.
I like the 112 read

what do you make of the later people that wagonned you?

They're all a blur and I have no thoughts on them individually, for the most part.

My vote is currently on Iwan because I did not care for the way he stepped onto my wagon. Other than that I don't really have any specific comments. There are 50 players in this game and about 25 of them are total strangers to me. I'd love to get to know them better, but, like, now's not a great time.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:39 pm Like, I'm fine with 112's suspicion of me. They were the first to say anything negative about me and I don't think they'd have done that as a wolf because at the time it was a risky move.
nutella is incapable of trusting me. I admire her for that, but it makes it difficult to take her suspicions too seriously. She could be putting it on for affect. I believe her so far.
Hyena to me feels to be reveling in the Sloonei suspicion.
After that I regard everyone as a follower and have not reviewed them all in any depth because that's something that Serious Sloonei would do, and that guy's not here.
why was it risky at the time?

how's hyena "reveling" in the suspicion - what tipped you off to believe that?

Because there was a chance I was setting a trap, or just laying low for a minute, or any myriad of things. I have been painfully obviously Not Myself in this game, and a mafia member who is decently familiar with me like 112 would be more hesitant (I think) to harp on that without anyone else saying it first.

Hyena, as far as I can tell, came along after everyone else and has been a little bit more aggressive about the suspicion than I'd like. But if I put my serious hat on for a minute, I'd say I don't really believe in this argument. I'm more concerned about the 5 or so people who have voted for me in the last couple hours.

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