The Syndicate

I don't have lots of time today, but I'm just gonna put these statements out there:

-I think Quin is bad. I may or may not have time to form a case on him, but this is based on mostly tone.
-LoRab looks good this game.
-I don't buy TH's rebuttal after being silenced, nor do I understand why we dropped that case entirely. He can be very articulate when he wants to be, and comments like he has made such as [paraphrasing] 'I play this way because I'm trying to play a specific game' is raising my alarms. I may or may not be voting for him this phase.
-I don't feel like CapsFan warranted any votes yesterday or the day before. Volunteering for a battle and then chickening does not a baddie make.
-I think killing Soneji, who has made no appearance this game, is a VERY odd choice. I think there are several people in this game that would kill an inactive to increase the challenge. Because that must be what that is, right? A challenge? There is no other rational explanation for Soneji dying last night. That only helps the civs. Whoooo would do that as bad?

Or was that day 4? Wait, it's day 5 already?

I'm not fully caught up. I seem to have been *ahem* absent all of day 3.

I was completely convinced MP was town, so GG those that voted him. Like he was my #1 town read, but now it makes sense why he asked for a replacement and then decided to stick it out. Too much fun being a baddie, eh MP??

And GG Russ, our two-time champion. Just don't be two-timing us, eh?

Anyone have any questions for me? I followed a bit on day 3, but didn't get through all of it.

Elohcin wrote:I voted Sorsha and TH. I have my reasons but probably shouldn't share them with the class.

Why? What don't you want the class to know?

Do you know TH is bad because he's your teammate? or because you know something we don't? (Can you even answer the latter anyway?)

insertnamehere wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I figured I'd have a look at the roster and identify all the Strangers. I've not played with or have very limited experience with the following:
DisgruntledPorcupine
Dunny, unless this is diiny.
Glorfindel (I think we played a heist together a few months ago)
insertnamehere
Jan
leetic
LoRab, name is familiar but I can't recall any past game experience.
rabbit
Simon
CapsFan

That's more than I was expecting.
Howdy Sloonei, I think this may be the first time we've played together. Seeing as I've been AWOL since the beginning of Day 1, your fresh-facedness and getting people to re-explain their reads has been pretty neat for me.

Howdy INH. I'm curious of your catchup. You've got half an hour or so before the thread is locked again.

How's it goin?

Only 12 people have voted.

Woof.

Bring back the 24 hour days. An extra 24 hours doesn't seem to do diddly squat anyway.

MacDougall wrote:
Ricochet wrote:I have expressed my beefs with Golden and they haven't improved so far. I have a new vibe of him being indy, maybe, but it's purely subjective interpretation of his non-committal-ness outside agreeing or (mostly) disagreeing with stated suspicion. A sort of fearing to lock on an option and face its outcome. A baddie would have no issue throwing darts at everyone, whether landing on civ or indy, as long as it doesn't backfires at him (apart from, in extremis, bussing a teammate). An indy, technically, could be in murkier waters and try to tread more carefully. His D1 votes look pretty weaksauce (DF, DP). Then on D2 he locks on significant counter-wagons, at a bad timing, according to my chart - which looks more committed and relevant, but isn't an improvement, I'd say.

linki: right there, Mac. To paraphrase: Wilgy would concoct WIFOM for MM. MM would concoct WIFOM for TH.
Surely Marmot wouldn't double down on his teammate though. That would be epic dumb. Would be giving him concrete boots.

Some folks said that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer either.
This is the type of thing that MM would do though: "he wouldn't do that"

Ricochet wrote:If the general feel is to make out of Day 3 a test lynch, I could go with pitting TH and Caps.

Otherwise, I find that nominating TH strictly for WIFOM is a slight gamble (then again, about as much as pinning MM was, for the same reason) and nominating Caps for his lynch-me posts is a big gamble - seriously, Caps, do NOT express resignation if you are civilian, we are not the kind to prioritise "clean-up lynch" as a mindset and it would be detrimental to our hunt.

If sig will post by the end of the day (which he should, unless he's incapacitated), then nominating TH would be a gamble for rolling Turban or indy, because otherwise it'd make little sense for him to be Nanman if he was incapacitated - and I really see no better targets, among active players.

Off the top of my head, I'd pursue a timmer lynch right now: his vote, his DIY-like rebuttal which left me pretty meh, his possible connection via MM's own vote tactic. I don't know if I have clear second choice yet. I should still revisit players that are read baddie, like DFaraday (since Dom insists) or Boomslang (since DDL has a particular badread on him).

TH, to me, is not suspicious strictly for the WIFOM. Yes, that could be dangerous indeed. Though to an extent, that's what MM was- a hunch based around WIFOM.

I'm going to vote him because he refused to answer my question. Could he be incapacitated today since he hasn't posted (to my knowledge)? Maybe. But if he survives this lynch he can take a nice bath and tell us all about it tomorrow.

I'm voting INH and TH like I said previously.

im on a train across the state with crappy cell service so may the worst competitor lose today and may they be bad!

LoRab wrote:
Dunny wrote:hey guys, sorry a lot of shit happened and I've been in hospital. Will do my best to try and catch up
Feel better!!!!!

Glorfindel wrote:I don't know if anyone has made this observation yet but I'll go ahead anyway - If someone has, please accept my most sincere apologies.

I was going back looking at MM's votes during his somewhat limited time with us and would like to make the following observations:

Day 1: MM's votes for Day 1 were on: Dr Wilgy (21) and Turnip Head (22). I obviously don't know MM as well as most of you but is it really THAT likely that he would've voted for TWO of his Nanman team mates on Day 1 From an outsider's perspective, I should think it somewhat unlikely - which on balance is a better look for TH. I'm happy to reconsider this if anyone would like to offer an alternate opinion.

Day 2: MM was the last to cast his votes for Dom (54) and Russtifinko (55). Prior to placing his votes, Russ was 'runner-up' wagon on 7 votes. The next highest wagon was timmer on 6 votes. So assuming MM's vote was a 'hail Mary' self preservation vote, wouldn't it have been more logical for him to have voted the next highest wagons (Russ and timmer) than to place his vote on Dom? Admittedly, timmer's last vote (6) was made immediately before MM's (by Nutella) but I wonder what conclusions could be drawn from that? The vote for Dom was on a slow burn from the beginning of the Day phase (starting on vote (5) and followed by votes (9), (13), (23) and (43). In comparison, timmer's vote was meteoric - picking up 6 votes in a matter of hours (votes (26), (31), (33), (41), (48) and (53). If self preservation were his goal, I'd have thought MM would've voted timmer before Dom
I could totally see MM voting for 2 teammates for prefect just for the shits and giggles, mixed in with a dose of WIFOM. This makes me more suspicious of TH, TBQH.

And good pick up and analysis on day 2. Timmer might get my second vote. TH is likely getting my first.

Sloonei wrote:anyone can answer that question, it's not just for rico.
Day 1: Scotty and Wigly dueled, Scotty won. Wilgy was Ahuinan
Night 1: No death
Day 2: Russ and MM dueled, Russ won. MM was Dong Tu Na
Night 2: Yellow Turbans killed SVS. Nanman killed JJJ

And, based on your questioning in the thread, I'm guessing that you don't have BTSC, which makes you likely civ (indy is possible, but there are more civs than indies). I mean, a baddie could replace in and fake the questioning, but I don't think many would take the time, and that's not how I've seen baddies act when they replace in (or how I've acted when I've replaced in as a baddie). So, I'm feeling good about you for the moment.

Scotty wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Scotty wrote: Actually, this is precisely what Mm would do if he were bad. Mixed in with the "hey guys I'm bad" WIFOM that I've seen him use in orevious games when he was bad, he would point out all his baddie mates if he had a chance just for people like you to go, "oh, he would never do that, it's silly." Well, yes. Silly is MM's MO.

The WIFOM game is exactly how we nabbed MM with Wilgy, why not put all the pieces together and nab TH, the other Yellow Turban, who has been unceremoniously unhelpful this game
UHM
Yes?
Wrong mafia, dude.

linkitis: @Boomslang: Not just you.

OH man, do I feel stoopid. Thanks for clarifying.

Yeah, Rico, I forgot which teams was which. But you know what I meant.

Sloonei wrote:
Ricochet wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I do not think the list of dead players has been fully updated. According to the first page MM is still alive, but everyone else seems to disagree.
No sign of lynch shenanigans, so it's probably the first sentence.
Who are all the dead players and how did they come to be that way?

Wilgy tied with me 5-5 on day 1, where votes piled on us in the last 30 minutes for various random reasons. Wilgy's last post said something to the effect of: "we talked about LoRab in BTSC, MM" throwing some glorious WIFOM before he was lynched. No one was killed on night 1, for some reason. I think the common belief is that there were powers at play, and not inactivity (at least from MM's baddie camp, since we know Mm was active). Though there's really no way to know.

Day 2, MM did a terrible job of defending his votes, and the Wilgy WIFOM was too juicy, so we pitted him with Russ (Dom almost was sent to battle). He was lynched, and was on Wilgy's baddie team.
Last night, SVS and JJJ were killed, so I would assume both teams woke up and killed. JJJ was a big contributor to the thread (I was leaning civ) and makes sense as a kill I guess. SVS had one post detailing she didn't have working Internet. So that was an odd "mercy" kill I suspect.

and now we're here

Sloonei wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Hey Scotty I am a mindless sheep and you are my shepherd. Tell me who to vote for.
I slept on a sheep's wool blanket last night on the floor. It was the baaahmb.

It seems like you're doing ok just catching up.

Honestly? I'm probably gonna vote for INH and Turnip. But you can vote wherever- that seems to be the hit-button thing to do with people catching up anyway.
I was gonna consider Dom again. There's too many people denouncing the Dom vote where I have to take a step back and go, "what am I missing?" I mean, I'm not usually one to be badgered by the popular opinion and fall in line, but I'm going to try and be more malleable on this point.
Why INH and Turnip Head?

INH I've been callin out for being actively campaigning for a responsibility in day 1, and then after winning the election, disappeared. He then reappeared yesterday briefly apologizing for his absence and saying he was ready to play. And then...nothing. So, ok then.
TH has been skating around me all game. He voted for me on day 1 for reasons that didn't exactly have a rooted reason. I have asked him point blank multiple times whether he thinks I am bad, and he has either ignored it or shrugged it off on purpose. He's been overly unenthusiastic in solving the game from the normal Civ-minded TH I remember and compounded with MM implicating him IMO in the WIFOM guacamole, I think he is one of them yellow turbans

Ricochet wrote:
Scotty wrote: Actually, this is precisely what Mm would do if he were bad. Mixed in with the "hey guys I'm bad" WIFOM that I've seen him use in orevious games when he was bad, he would point out all his baddie mates if he had a chance just for people like you to go, "oh, he would never do that, it's silly." Well, yes. Silly is MM's MO.

The WIFOM game is exactly how we nabbed MM with Wilgy, why not put all the pieces together and nab TH, the other Yellow Turban, who has been unceremoniously unhelpful this game
UHM

Yes?

Glorfindel wrote:I don't know if anyone has made this observation yet but I'll go ahead anyway - If someone has, please accept my most sincere apologies.

I was going back looking at MM's votes during his somewhat limited time with us and would like to make the following observations:

Day 1: MM's votes for Day 1 were on: Dr Wilgy (21) and Turnip Head (22). I obviously don't know MM as well as most of you but is it really THAT likely that he would've voted for TWO of his Nanman team mates on Day 1 From an outsider's perspective, I should think it somewhat unlikely - which on balance is a better look for TH. I'm happy to reconsider this if anyone would like to offer an alternate opinion.

Day 2: MM was the last to cast his votes for Dom (54) and Russtifinko (55). Prior to placing his votes, Russ was 'runner-up' wagon on 7 votes. The next highest wagon was timmer on 6 votes. So assuming MM's vote was a 'hail Mary' self preservation vote, wouldn't it have been more logical for him to have voted the next highest wagons (Russ and timmer) than to place his vote on Dom? Admittedly, timmer's last vote (6) was made immediately before MM's (by Nutella) but I wonder what conclusions could be drawn from that? The vote for Dom was on a slow burn from the beginning of the Day phase (starting on vote (5) and followed by votes (9), (13), (23) and (43). In comparison, timmer's vote was meteoric - picking up 6 votes in a matter of hours (votes (26), (31), (33), (41), (48) and (53). If self preservation were his goal, I'd have thought MM would've voted timmer before Dom

Actually, this is precisely what Mm would do if he were bad. Mixed in with the "hey guys I'm bad" WIFOM that I've seen him use in orevious games when he was bad, he would point out all his baddie mates if he had a chance just for people like you to go, "oh, he would never do that, it's silly." Well, yes. Silly is MM's MO.

The WIFOM game is exactly how we nabbed MM with Wilgy, why not put all the pieces together and nab TH, the other Yellow Turban, who has been unceremoniously unhelpful this game

Sloonei wrote:Hey Scotty I am a mindless sheep and you are my shepherd. Tell me who to vote for.

I slept on a sheep's wool blanket last night on the floor. It was the baaahmb.

It seems like you're doing ok just catching up.

Honestly? I'm probably gonna vote for INH and Turnip. But you can vote wherever- that seems to be the hit-button thing to do with people catching up anyway.

I was gonna consider Dom again. There's too many people denouncing the Dom vote where I have to take a step back and go, "what am I missing?" I mean, I'm not usually one to be badgered by the popular opinion and fall in line, but I'm going to try and be more malleable on this point.

insertnamehere wrote:
Scotty wrote:To an extent, I think it is suspicious for someone to campaign to have a responsibility to the people and not show up. It's like he hopped on the one-way bus in San Francisco and now he's in Thailand without a phone. How did he get there? Any word would help.
I did a shitty thing, I realize. I severely misjudged how much extra time I'd have over a very limited amount of days. I messed up. But I'm now here and ready to play.

Thanks for sending your hologram here to tell us you're around.

So you're ready to play? Any...thoughts on the game? Or are you ready to play the silent game? You've been doing well at that game it to this point.

Dom wrote:So Scotty-- did INH tell you in BTSC he'd show up later or????

Or

Sloonei wrote:
Quin wrote:
Sloonei wrote:@Quin: You just named Dom as your top suspect while also expressing a "hard ping" on CapsFan. So what do you make of this post, if anything?
TheCapsFan wrote:As annoying as he may post, Dom seems pretty town as well.
I don't make anything out of it that I wouldn't to another person. The stronger I feel about Dom the more people seem to civ read him. I don't know if I'm supposed to be missing something but I feel like meta is beating out in-thread evidence. What do you think about Dom?
I think he is adept at acting like Donald Trump and I'd like to better understand his votes thus far.

Good luck.

TheCapsFan wrote:@DDL Curious as to why you've already voted this early in the phase.

If anyone had voted for you early on, you probably wouldn't be asking this. Since you basically asked us to cast you as Russell Crowe in Gladiator.

Ricochet wrote:
TheCapsFan wrote:I would be comfortable being voted for.
Hello, Caps. I get it if it's stressful to keep up and figure how things work, but I'd argue that, generally (and not counting Scotty ), we like the idea of finding baddies and lynching them, rather than doing clean-up lynches of inactives / low posters of any kinds, if that's what you're suggesting.

Unless you happen to be waving the white flag. Are you?

Scotty wrote:I think Rico's finding on TH's WIFOM PB&J in the MM/Wilgy link is AOK. I could vote TH today.

We have SO many no-shows this game. I could also vote for INH for disappearing into the darkness.

Or Mac. He wasn't really on my radar until Mm flipped (and actually I think he looked rather civ) and now his soft defending looks bad to me.

Linki @Caps: O rly? Where for art thou getting comfortable?
Do you mean my small bit of looking into TH's connections with MM or did you confuse me with LoRab's more elaborate quotes? Just asking to make sure.

What do you think about my idea that INH is among the most significant candidates (if not the one) to have been incapacitated (silenced + stripped of voting) on Day 2?

Yeah I'm pretty sure you said it first, LoRab may have developed it.

RE: INH being incapacitated Day 2? Maybe. What doesn't help this theory is that he still hasn't posted on Day 3, so I feel as though he's just plain not here. I wonder if putting vote pressure on our other prefect could wake him up (wake him up inside, wake him up inside, save hiiiim)

Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:If Dom is Mafia he has me fooled.
If I were bad, this would be a stellar accomplishment folks. One I am worthy of, but just-- sadly--am not eligible for.

Scotty wrote:I think Rico's finding on TH's WIFOM PB&J in the MM/Wilgy link is AOK. I could vote TH today.

We have SO many no-shows this game. I could also vote for INH for disappearing into the darkness.

Or Mac. He wasn't really on my radar until Mm flipped (and actually I think he looked rather civ) and now his soft defending looks bad to me.

Linki @Caps: O rly? Where for art thou getting comfortable?
WEren't you pretty dead set against lynch INH or discussing lynchign INH because he's a prefect or am I remembering that incorrectly?.

No, you must be confusing me with someone else. To an extent, I think it is suspicious for someone to campaign to have a responsibility to the people and not show up. It's like he hopped on the one-way bus in San Francisco and now he's in Thailand without a phone. How did he get there? Any word would help.

I think Rico's finding on TH's WIFOM PB&J in the MM/Wilgy link is AOK. I could vote TH today.

We have SO many no-shows this game. I could also vote for INH for disappearing into the darkness.

Or Mac. He wasn't really on my radar until Mm flipped (and actually I think he looked rather civ) and now his soft defending looks bad to me.

Linki @Caps: O rly? Where for art thou getting comfortable?

RIP JJJ and SVS.

MM playing the WIFOM card with Wilgy. Lol this isn't the first time they have done that.

This is actually going remarkably well so far.

I'm slightly confused of the killing of SVS. I understood JJJ for sure, and I'm sorry to see him go. Then there were 2 prefects. Some would even say INH doesn't exist since he hasn't been here since the Cretaceous period but I digress.

I think that Dom could have been saved, O talker to the thread, but I want to focus on finding who didn't like Mm being thrust into the limelight. Someone that didn't like my initial vote and the votes that followed

Scotty wrote:Yeah, you're right MP, I totally forgot Dom was bad in Arkham.
And as for his meta, I'll take your word for it.

I'd support a timmer CFD.

However, good luck getting even 5 people in here in that time. Half the population is a no-show.

While JJJ has talks about this, and I tend to not want to go there, I think there may be validity to the no-shows being a reason at least one of the teams didn't kill last night

If that's the case, I never want to hear about my Day 1 brigade against non-participants.

EBWOPJIGABOOM

Yeah, you're right MP, I totally forgot Dom was bad in Arkham.
And I'll take your word for it.

I'd support a timmer CFD.

However, good luck getting even 5 people in here in that time. Half the population is a no-show.

While JJJ has talks about this, and I tend to not want to go there, I think there may be validity to the no-shows being a reason at least one of the teams didn't kill last night

If that's the case, I never want to hear about my Day 1 brigade against non-participants.

MovingPictures07 wrote:See, the problem with that for me anyway is that Dom is pointing out a trend with Bass that I, without actual in-depth analysis, have noticed as well. Bass did have a string of games where he posted quite a bit early on and then trailed off with respect to activity, and regardless of whether that was true, he consistently did seem to be less posty when he was bad, much more so than trends with other players. Do I think that's even remotely foolproof though? No. I wouldn't be caught dead using that as a solid reason to think Bass is bad.

But you've touched on something about Dom's play, Scotty, that I've started to notice too as I'm getting into the beginning of Day 2 and thinking on his Day 1 stuff. He's definitely throwing around a lot of suspicion (DF, JJJ, Bass, from what I've seen and can recall so far), and doing so in a fairly assertive matter (though that could be due to the gimmick), but on the basis of little, dubious, or nonexistent claims and reasons. I'm starting to understand that the thread isn't exactly teeming with information by which to judge other individuals and we have to start somewhere though, and I wouldn't say this is out of character for Dom. I don't feel like it's inherently suspicious because I don't understand the motivation that a mafia Dom would have to behave in this way. It's unnecessarily risky. And GTH I'm reading Dom's posts as genuine, even in the presence of the Trump gimmick.

Do you have any knowledge of the last time Dom was bad? I can't remember, and usually don't like using meta examples, but the "out of character" thing is striking, because this is not the same type of Dom I remember playing with. This is like G-Man level gimmicks, where usually I see him as a pit bull that just got a bad haircut. Clipped, short responses, and getting dirty with people.

I can't read him behind the gimmick, but I'm not voting him primarily for the gimmick more than his lack of intention in voting day 1. If you're gonna pull a timmer and rando, then at least rando. He listed DF (and Bass as potential suspicious if he remained UTR) but voted me and JJJ. His post-explanation was as contrived as I expected, and I don't feel bad in voting him right now.

Our 3rd prefect, INH, hasn't checked in since he won the title, and I would highly consider voting there if I had a 3rd vote

As a prefect, I would expect my peer to want to at least participate after putting up such a lukewarm campaign as is

MovingPictures07 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm quickly uncovering that the case I just didn't clearly understand from JJJ about Russ might be all there is going on here. What else is there, folks?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I didn't like Russ's recent "Congratulations on lynching Wilgy, guys!" It doesn't feel honest.

I think I'm voting for him today.
Speaking of Russ:

Russ, it'd be groovy if you could talk to me about my Day 1 case against you. It's a new day and I am not one to cling to old material, but I need inspiration to change my mind. Let's chat. We've already talked some about the first point, so please focus on the other two.
Did Russ respond to this?
I don't believe so.

It may just be that I'm still not fully caught up, so correct me if I'm wrong, but for a d1 baddie lynch and 835 posts in the thread, it seems the thread is in a stasis chamber.

Can someone help me out with the Dom stuff? Is that in Day 2? Maybe I'll CTRL+F these pages for "Dom". I don't see anything compelling on MM or Russ, especially when considering the sheer amount of players who didn't vote yesterday and didn't interact with Wilgy, so I'm a bit alarmed at the current vote tally with less than 5 hours until EoD.

Here's my take on it and why I voted him out the gate:

Spoiler: show

Scotty wrote:As one of your prefects and reigning champion, I would like a word with everyone that voted for me.

I really wanted to quote posts and have shit saved in drafts right after the lynch, but we can't do that when the thread is locked, so I wrote it in my head. The ink didn't dry, and now I'm an inkwell.

It's hard to see that lynch as a save opportunity for Wilgy, if he was saved at all. Those votes came pretty fast. He was, after all, a warrior, who had a pretty good chance of defeating the average bear.

But I'm yo prefect, so simma down.

I understand some of the votes for me:
-I got TH's reasoning, even though I don't agree with it.
-Nutella had a long winded explanation of her vote for me, disliking my oversight of voting DF even though he had posted. Meh. Not the most solid reason, but it's day 1, and it's a ping she followed through with, talking about it before Wilgy was in danger. She agreed with me that INH needed to show up, and brought up that Wilgy hadn't been around in a while. So she agrees with my concern that INH hasn't been around, but votes me anyway, followed by voting Wilgy for...not showing up. I mean, the fact that she voted for Wilgy at all makes me want to believe she's not on his team. If she's bad, I'd expect it on the Yelow Turbans.
-Bubbles. Um. Votes me and JJJ because she wanted to see a duel between us. In other words, she voted us because she wanted to vote us. In other words, she put the milk in the pantry because she wanted to put the milk in the pantry. I strongly dislike this vote/explanation. If there was a Wilgy save going on, this would add up. She put JJJ ahead with 4 votes, and me right behind with 3. Wilgy had 2 at this point in time, tied with a bunch of people.
-Domald voted for me and JJJ. Let's see what he had to say about suspicions:
Dom wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking Dom's rationale regarding Bass. Since Bass is generally a low poster, that feels like Dom is setting up an easy excuse for voting down the road.

Also Sorsha wanting to vote prefects sounds like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that prefects have important abilities or something, so why would we want to put them up to lynch right away?
And there's this DFaraday guy. This DFaraday guy-- he's just... well.. do I have to say it? He's not good. No good at all. Lies and twisting the fact like the crooked media. Rooting against me.

Listen folks, Bass better stay active. Otherwise he's saying empty promises and looking to be ignored. That's just despicable. We, as a game, cannot let him get away with this, folks.

(c) Paid for by Dom/NJU 2016.
Wait, that's funny. It looks like he meant to vote DF and Bass, but accidentally voted for me and JJJ. Whoops, must be some mistake. Because I just reread all his posts multiple times, and the only time he expressed any sort of sentiment toward me is when I criticized his posting gimmick and he called me "sad". He doesn't really mention JJJ as far as I can tell.

So...why did he vote for me? Or JJJ for that matter. I REALLY don't like Dom's vote.

-my first vote was Bass, who said most of my posts were filler posts and campaigning posts, which is fair. I did have a lot of those. Such is my day 1. He voted for MM for similar reasons, so I'm not gonna jump on him for this vote. Makes sense, and was reasoned. I don't think he looks as suspicious for that.

Dom and Bubbles are my top priorities today. I will most likely be voting there.

That being said, I still think MP is a strong civ

I'm also going to remind everybody that even when someone looks like they're actively attempting to look for baddies that in a game with multiple baddie teams, even baddies will be doing this. And just because someone leads a charge against a baddie, that doesn't validate them as civ.

I'm having lots of trouble reading people in this game because I feel like everyone is bad to an extent. It's like, Wilgy is dead but there's still 6 more baddies, 3 independents, and we still need to outnumber other civ factions to win. It's kinda a crapshoot, which is what The game of Mafia is, but I must warn people that civ labels should be used sparingly, since 1/3 of the players are not civ, and over 2/3 aren't even on the same civ team.

MovingPictures07 wrote:In fact... *looking at the poll* If Jay or someone else can succinctly explain to me why Dom, MM, and Russ are receiving votes, or at least point me in the direction of stuff I should pay attention to, that'd be great. As awesome as 100 ppg is in making me feel like I have less to read, I still have a lot to read. And I think once I get to the end of Day 1 I'm going to take a break to work again for a couple of hours, and then come back and try to catch up.

I might be a bit biased since I mostly targeted people on my train, since I find it highly likely that at least 1 Mafia member jumped on that.

Check out my 2nd post of day 2.

Again, I might be biased but I think there is something there. Compounded with the lack of defense that both MM and Dom have brought forth after the fact, I'm fine with both of them leading lynches right now.

It's very hard to judge team compatability with multiple teams, but gotta start somewhere

Linki @TH Yo, would you be so kind as to answer my question I posed to you?

Turnip Head wrote:Fair enough sig, so you think it's a bad idea.

But you're saying you suspect me because you don't agree with me .

(And yes, if Scotty isn't a civ, then we need to lynch him. And nominating him for the duel is like, our only way to do that )

So do you think I am civ or not? I've not gotten a straight answer from you so far this game- just that I can defeat Doctors [who are definitely not doctors]

Yeah, you know, I'm just gonna lock this in: I'm definitely voting for Domald.

For my second vote, I've been stewing it over and am fine with voting MM. Wilgy's last remark about talking to MM in BTSC is something both of them would do as bad. I know MM would because in a game we played over in Bulba he outright said something like "I am totes bad lol" and I called his bluff to get him lynched day one, and we was indeed bad.

Plus he seems intent on becoming a gladiator, so I'll give him the honor he desires.

Ignoring my terribly written sentences I just wrote, I also must say so that Epi doesn't gouge his eyes out:

"Duel" is not the same as "dual". Dual is two. Duel is sparring.

Dom wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dom wrote:Folks, don't trust Lyin' Scotty and Tricky Jay. Lyin' Scotty looked for an opportunity to seize power without any sort of content. Tricky Jay has used bad thinking all game. Not good, folks, not good.
I don't necessarily think you're bad Dom, I'd just like to have a conversation. What have I said or done that you haven't liked?
My distrust of you, Tricky Jay comes from you campaigning for yourself for prefect. That seems wildly out of character for you.

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I mean I campaigned for prefect. Maybe he's confusing him for me? This explanation for voting me also does not satisfy me because it is an easy out and was made after the fact. Tell me how if you believe I attempted to seize power without content was levied with INH's ad campaign was any different.

Oh, also INH had been in Psych and is still MIA since Day 1. So what's up with that? I could vote him as my second pick.

Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I've come around a lot on the dueling thing. I've now seen its merits. If we ever have a consensus mafia read, we should force them to challenge Scotty the People's Champion.

Metalmarsh89, would you like to duel Scotty?
What? No. I thought we talked about this in the snowglobe of day 1 and we basically decided as a group that we should pit Mafia reads against Mafia reads. Y U do this, Veggie Head?

I may have won a fight, but I'm okay with letting that initial fight be my legacy. More like Sinead O'Connor, not like the Dixie Chicks.
I want you to be all that you can be.

Thanks Mom

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Scotty who is on your short list to dual today.

As I said in my previous post, Dom and Bubbles.

Bubbles' post offering that she just votes how she votes as also serves as a way to hide behind it. That may be "just normal Bubbles" but I'm not a big proponent of following people's meta for alignment.

I could vote for TH just for attempting to prop me up to the wolves again- not by calling me bad, which I assume he was doing on day 1 to a certain extent, but because he wants to see if I really am the Girl On Fire

Turnip Head wrote:I've come around a lot on the dueling thing. I've now seen its merits. If we ever have a consensus mafia read, we should force them to challenge Scotty the People's Champion.

Metalmarsh89, would you like to duel Scotty?

What? No. I thought we talked about this in the snowglobe of day 1 and we basically decided as a group that we should pit Mafia reads against Mafia reads. Y U do this, Veggie Head?

I may have won a fight, but I'm okay with letting that initial fight be my legacy. More like Sinead O'Connor, not like the Dixie Chicks.

MacDougall wrote:
Dom wrote:
MacDougall wrote:Oh look a guy who I voted for on day 1 got lynched and is bad and this time I didn't actually try making a case on him. New strategy.

Wassup Glorfindel with ignoring my comment? You scared there buddy?
Mr. Big Mac, what was the result of that test you took eh?

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You seem civ.

What makes him seem remotely civ to you?

Russtifinko wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Bubbles and MM's votes smell the fishiest to me. I want to go back and investigate those.

Scotty my man, I'm sorry I ever doubted you. You are the hero we need. Please be my sensei.
So I was gonna say this wasn't true and Scotty could still be a Yellow Turban, but then I realized he would've likely lost his duel had he been. So I'm prepared to give Scotty some civ cred barring evidence to the contrary.

Who's to say I'm not on Wilgy's team? I mean, I'm not, but why exclude that as a possibility?

I appreciate the civ label because I am, but your defense of me is slightly hollow.

I could also be anything, and just rolled better than Wilgy, so this argument is not the best way to guard my alignment.

Simon wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Hey Simon, what do you like about Russtifinko?
Clearly I have no reasons.

You are a strange bird.

are you sure you're not a Fletchling?

Golden wrote:Good job on wilgy btw everyone. For whatever reason (probably that I'm not really reading the thread much) I didn't realise that the duel is actually us influencing the lynch. So, good that I know that now.

Wait what did you think it did? Give entertainment before football season started?0

As one of your prefects and reigning champion, I would like a word with everyone that voted for me.

I really wanted to quote posts and have shit saved in drafts right after the lynch, but we can't do that when the thread is locked, so I wrote it in my head. The ink didn't dry, and now I'm an inkwell.

It's hard to see that lynch as a save opportunity for Wilgy, if he was saved at all. Those votes came pretty fast. He was, after all, a warrior, who had a pretty good chance of defeating the average bear.

But I'm yo prefect, so simma down.

I understand some of the votes for me:
-I got TH's reasoning, even though I don't agree with it.
-Nutella had a long winded explanation of her vote for me, disliking my oversight of voting DF even though he had posted. Meh. Not the most solid reason, but it's day 1, and it's a ping she followed through with, talking about it before Wilgy was in danger. She agreed with me that INH needed to show up, and brought up that Wilgy hadn't been around in a while. So she agrees with my concern that INH hasn't been around, but votes me anyway, followed by voting Wilgy for...not showing up. I mean, the fact that she voted for Wilgy at all makes me want to believe she's not on his team. If she's bad, I'd expect it on the Yelow Turbans.
-Bubbles. Um. Votes me and JJJ because she wanted to see a duel between us. In other words, she voted us because she wanted to vote us. In other words, she put the milk in the pantry because she wanted to put the milk in the pantry. I strongly dislike this vote/explanation. If there was a Wilgy save going on, this would add up. She put JJJ ahead with 4 votes, and me right behind with 3. Wilgy had 2 at this point in time, tied with a bunch of people.
-Domald voted for me and JJJ. Let's see what he had to say about suspicions:

Dom wrote:
DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking Dom's rationale regarding Bass. Since Bass is generally a low poster, that feels like Dom is setting up an easy excuse for voting down the road.

Also Sorsha wanting to vote prefects sounds like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that prefects have important abilities or something, so why would we want to put them up to lynch right away?
And there's this DFaraday guy. This DFaraday guy-- he's just... well.. do I have to say it? He's not good. No good at all. Lies and twisting the fact like the crooked media. Rooting against me.

Listen folks, Bass better stay active. Otherwise he's saying empty promises and looking to be ignored. That's just despicable. We, as a game, cannot let him get away with this, folks.

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Wait, that's funny. It looks like he meant to vote DF and Bass, but accidentally voted for me and JJJ. Whoops, must be some mistake. Because I just reread all his posts multiple times, and the only time he expressed any sort of sentiment toward me is when I criticized his posting gimmick and he called me "sad". He doesn't really mention JJJ as far as I can tell.

So...why did he vote for me? Or JJJ for that matter. I REALLY don't like Dom's vote.

-my first vote was Bass, who said most of my posts were filler posts and campaigning posts, which is fair. I did have a lot of those. Such is my day 1. He voted for MM for similar reasons, so I'm not gonna jump on him for this vote. Makes sense, and was reasoned. I don't think he looks as suspicious for that.

Dom and Bubbles are my top priorities today. I will most likely be voting there.

Turnip Head wrote:You're being weird about this.

Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?
My intention is to either force you to stop hiding behind your Day 1 mantra, or to otherwise get in on your ingenious racket.
I ain't hidin. I'm pretty straightforward.
I don't understand what you mean by forcing me to get in on my ingenious racket.
I meant deal me in, sweetcheeks. If I vote for you on Day 1 every time you vote for an inactive on Day 1, I get a free pass just like you

This isn't a barter system. If you're participating and are around on day 1, odds are I'm not voting for you Day 1 anyway. Everyone has their day 1 quirks. It sounds like you are choosing to vote me as a policy and not that you think I am bad, and that I don't think is a great way of going about things.

DrWilgy wrote:
nutella wrote:Oh I also want to hear more from Wilgy. I feel like he's usually a lot more active than this, but I keep forgetting he's even in this game and I don't think that's a good sign. Likewise with sig, to a slightly lesser extent.
How could you forget about me LoRab? I was at work and had dnd night, but never left...

wat

It's like you just woke up from a bad dream at precisely the time someone talks about you

Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?
My intention is to either force you to stop hiding behind your Day 1 mantra, or to otherwise get in on your ingenious racket.

I ain't hidin. I'm pretty straightforward.
I don't understand what you mean by forcing me to get in on my ingenious racket.

Turnip Head wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Dunny wrote:Does that make sense? I feel like this post lacks sense
I got you mang.

I may not vote for you today. I can't quite decide whether you're being too earnest, but that I am experiencing cognitive dissonance on that is a better thing than flat suspicion would be. I'd need an alternative though.
You could always vote for Scotty with me

Are you looking to vote me for the sole reason that you don't agree with my Day 1 philosophy, or that you think I am bad?

Speaking of prefects, remember that other prefect who ran a campaign on ads and banners?

Yeah, he's been absent this entire phase. What's that about? Sounds scandalous to me.

DFaraday wrote:I'm not liking Dom's rationale regarding Bass. Since Bass is generally a low poster, that feels like Dom is setting up an easy excuse for voting down the road.

Also Sorsha wanting to vote prefects sounds like a bad idea to me. I get the impression that prefects have important abilities or something, so why would we want to put them up to lynch right away?

I appreciate the defending, DF. I'm sorry I voted you.

Turnip Head wrote:I think I'm going to start voting for Scotty every time he votes for inactive players on Day 1.

Can't do nothin bout that. U do U

Sorsha wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Dom is making me laugh so I'm not voting for him.

I think I'm going to vote for two of the prefects. Jimmy, Scotty, INH... See who's the toughest.
Wtf does toughest mean? I have a thick skin, though I work out at the gym to thin it out.
Most macho?

Well, I can lift my dog's weight.

I'm kind of a big deal.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Scotty wrote:Yuck??
JJJ have you never played a game with me? Why do I have to find something fishy about people that are posting? They're posting. That in and of itself lends to a more substantive game. Even if they're talkin of drivel. Talk to me again after this phase about other suspects.

If I HAD to pick someone, you come to mind as someone I could see myself suspecting down the road. But I would rather keep you around to gauge you better in case you are actually civ.
I have played games with you. Indeed I just played one about phobias in which you pushed the easy button eternally and you were bad. So when you do it here you can expect to hear about it.

What do you mean "you could see yourself suspecting me down the road"? Am I suspicious now to some degree?

I play the "easy button" on day 1 regardless of my alignment. This is a terrible way to gauge my badness.
This stemmed from perpetually getting lynched on day 1 or getting NK'd night 1. It's in one part survival strategy in these awful 'must-lynch-someone' day 1's. The other part is- sometimes inactives can be bad, or laying low. Sometimes they can be good. Which sucks, but in the scheme of things, it could be worse, like eliminating someone that is actively contributing to the thread.

As for suspecting you- I don't really right now. I think you have been pacing yourself this phase, and are rather cautious in your reads. But you haven't voted so who knows what you're really thinking. So down the line, I'll have a better idea of your thinking and motivations. Right now, you're just a pair of clown shoes waiting to be put on.

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