The Syndicate

nutella wrote:Fuck, I screwed up and missed the vote. Bus was backed up in traffic on my way back from work and I went straight to having dinner with friends and forgot it was ending. So sorry. I probably would have actually gone for BR because I've been becoming more and more convinced by Timmer's case on her in the last couple days. Great to see she was indeed bad! Merrily roll along in hell

JJJ, I'll address your case when I can. But it seems like most of your points are just about my views being inconsistent, which again I openly admit is the case and again I insist does not mean I am bad. My views are always inconsistent. I'll reread your post later and see if you have actual points I can address but for now I think you are making your case out to be stronger than it is. I was fully supportive of all the baddie lynches so far, from both teams. I'm just a civvie who doesn't really know what's going on most of the time.

I'm not buying you didn't have enough time to vote. It's an even day. You can change votes. You can placehold. We all have commitments, but 48 hours is a while to be gone, especially since you were active on Monday.

"My views are always inconsistent."
You sound like you're proud of that.

"I'm just a civvie who doesn't really know what's going on most of the time."
The most mafia sounding thing I've heard you say so far.

And hey JJJ! Glad to have you! I'm glad you're reading into we who haven't really been taking much heat. Can't wait to hear what you have to say about splints and I!

I hate being silenced.

Also I was insanified, so I guess that answers my question as to whether or not that asshat role is still roaming around.

BlackRock was unexpected, but a good kill in the end. Wish I knew what her role did and how long she was using it for nefarious purposes.

RIP Sloonei

He's got big shoes to fill, but we're still doing pretty well with our deductions on more than just a few people now. Keep 'em coming!

@Golden hah, fair enough. I figured there wouldn't be any info in there, but you never know

GMan, I don't know if you are serious. Honestly, I would vote no. Just because you know too much info. I'm already slightly uncomfortable with Epi 2.0 slithering around.

Do specters clear it with Dom before they post from beyond the grave?

nutella wrote:Scotty: Idk, I thought it was pretty self-explanatory why I thought Bubbles was bad. She was acting like she was cornered, all her posts sounded so so bad. What more do you want me to say? And as for my other suspicions, I've certainly explained a number of times why I suspect Bass, though again it's largely a gut read/tone of his posts. Sorry I don't have long detailed cases, that's not really the way I usually roll.

I don't know why you think I could be on team webber. I expressed suspicion of Sig long before most other people and was a strong proponent of his lynch, as well as G-man's.

I'm not even asking for a detailed or comprehensive breakdown of your opinions on people that you are voting for. I saw that you were suspicious of people. It's one thing to have a belief, and it's another to justify it. "It was pretty self-explanatory" is not exactly a justification or even really a specific answer.

You're welcome to be as vague as you want in your suspicions. Other people might not see that as suspicious. But lumping your opinions atop of other people's looks very blendy and non-demonstrative.
"She was acting like she was cornered" That's the most poignantly voiced suspicion you've had of Tiny all game besides the general "she's bad because she's bad, and I mean look at her she's bad". Again, that sort of behavior is a very weak civ game IMO if that's the way you're playing it.

You do go into your suspicions on Bass. He's probably the most detailed you've went into. So that tells me that you can have a more intricate opinion. It might be on gut, and you say that, which is understandable why you don't vote for him quite yet until you can read into it more solidly.

"I expressed suspicion of Sig long before most other people and was a strong proponent of his lynch"
OK. Let's break down the timeline here, as it pertains to your feelings about sig:

Spoiler: show

You say you'll look at sig's and bass's posts, and in the same token think Bass is scummier so you vote him.

nutella wrote:I do suspect sig, am going to more carefully re-read sloonei's case to confirm that I agree and then I might switch my vote (doesn't look like Bass is that likely of a candidate at this point)

You "suspect" sig now, but need to carefully read the argument. Oh, and Bass doesn't look like a likely [candidate=mafia?] at this point.

2 posts later, after FZ said he suspected you and sig for "blending in":

Spoiler: show

You're essentially saying what you said to me, explaining your own playstyle as lazy and not forming big cases on your own. Also, suddenly Bass is bad again! And then LC, and then sig.

nutella wrote:Changed my vote to sig. He's really looking bad. (...And practically admitted it in that green text just now... lol)

I don't get why Bass voted himself though. Want to hear more from him tomorrow.

Sig's has basically given up at this point. And you admit to him basically giving up. So really, you're just drinking your daily water at this point. You even offer offhand about Bass in the same post.

Every time I read through your post history, I find more and more shady things. I'm not even talking about your bandwagoning playstyle. There's some distraction and some vagueness that stands out, nutella.

Know that this is nothing personal- I'm only finding you suspicious, and not reprehensible as a person. You seem like you are very lovely IRL. But IG, my spidey sense is tingling.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:If I voted I would have voted Nutella or Cobalt.

Why?

And MM, welcome back! Did you learn anything or have any observations from your time off?

Sloonei, I'm reading through your ISO of ninja now.
Her wishy-washy posts in Day 1 on SVS and LC are concerning, but it is also Day 1 and no one really knows anything.
She does seem on the fence of both sig and GMan. Her suspicions throughout on both of them are weaksauce at best. Just looking at your ISO, she doesn't seem to pounce on her Day 1 sig suspicions. She keeps giving GMan BOTD, which I also did. I legit wasn't reading into TGG's quitting as anything more than lost time, so Golden wins that award for intuition. I also didn't have a strong opinion of GMan until his posting started grating on me.

My perception of blooper isn't good, but it also isnt bad right now. I'm not sold that she has been entirely helpful this game. Sort of like MM. Her voting has been hinging on last-minute votes, and hasn't contributed too much to suspicions. But she also has been forthright I think with her thoughts, even though they usually come late.
ninja's probably at a 1 on my list (-20 to 20) right now. Hinging on independent, and not the most helpful civ, but not too blatantly mafia.
My question to nutella is: who is your top suspect now and why?

Sorry to use this as a soundboard for my nutella Tourettes , but Ninja said this:
"Also, nutella seems a lot more serious and a little more biting in this game than I remember, and I'm pretty sure she's been civ in the other games I've played. So there's that. I'll probably give her another good look."

lol I didn't even have nutella on my radar yesterday. Whoops.
Oh, and I know Webber kills tonight, but please don't kill me. I'll sing a little ditty if you let me live. kthnx

You're gonna make me comb through your posts, are you?

nutella wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and vote for Bubbles. She is definitely my strongest baddie read at this point.

Why?

nutella wrote:Bubbles is looking worse and worse, I think she is caught. I'm definitely planning to vote for her as of now. But it is also a good idea to look for possible G-Man teammates as Sloonei is doing.

Why?
I saw your rainbow list. That tells me you suspect people. Why?

I'm still combing...I'm all the way back to the beginning of Day 4, when you were casting a narrow suspicion on Bass.

I'm not accusing you per se, I'm just noting the fact that you haven't voiced ANY justified opinions on Tiny besides the fact that she was "bad". This fact and the fact that you just relied on telling me you've expressed suspicion of bubbles without backing up
The only thing that makes me pause in flat out accusing you is this post from Day 4:

nutella wrote:I think I'm going to vote for LC. Partially because a vote for G-man at this point would make it closer to a tie, partially because the case that LC is Sig's teammate is looking pretty strong. I really want G-man gone too and really think he is bad especially after seeing his behavior today, but today I want to lynch LC. I'm pretty damn convinced he's bad, and learning his alignment will help us figure more stuff out.

You list both teams in suspicion. On the surface, it would appear you want both out. So let's go through your vote history since we're here.

Day 1: Vote Cobalt.
No big deal here, he was pretty suspicious.
Day 2: Vote sig
You were 2nd to last to vote for sig, before BlackRock. He was already losing by a landslide.
Day 3: Vote LC
LC had 7 votes, and GMan had 5. With your vote, 3 more people followed you.
Day 4: Vote GMan
This one is your saving grace on the surface, except that GMan was universally distrusted by this point. You were 6th to vote him, but this was a landslide just waiting to happen.
Day 5: Vote TinyBubbles
This one had not a lot of people voting. You broke the 3/3 tie of BR-Tiny by voting Tiny. You know what's reallyinteresting? Bubbles voted for you. Out of all the people, she voted you.

nutella wrote:Canuck, what do you mean about a link between Bubbles and me?

Interesting case on BR, I might have to rethink my stance on her. I didn't realize she had so completely avoided discussions like Cobalt/LC. I still have a weird hunch telling me she's not LC's teammate, but the more I think about it the more I can see it. I've so far been inclined to think she's a civvie who's just been holding back a little from some of the thread discussion and interjecting some of her own less popular opinions now and then, but the way you've shown it her post history is looking more and more baddie-like.

You express that your opinion of BR is maybe not civvie, and more "baddie-like" but when it comes down to it, you vote Tiny.

Wow. Maybe I have tunnel vision right now since you made me comb through your posts. But uh...

Is it too bold to say that I think you're on Team Webber?

Can someone check if these votes are changeable?

nutella wrote:I'm gonna go ahead and vote for Bubbles. She is definitely my strongest baddie read at this point.

You. Why? You've posted three times in this days phase, none of which were involved in talking about your suspicions.

I'm also going to be looking at ninja, as per Sloonei's request, since she also bandwagon'd in.

But nutella...I'm getting hungry for your opinions, and your name isn't helping.

Putting that mislynch aside for a sec...this poll is playing some serious mind games..

I'm not quite sure how to go about it yet.

Thanks for making it 48 hours, Dom! That's a big help as I will be in a boat all day tomorrow

Ugh. Damn, Tiny really was being genuine.

Now I'm pissed. Thought we could be infallible.

Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:Nobody's taking to my ninja case, i worked so hard on that thing
I just don't think its a case for today, but it's still an important one.

^This. I'm grilling and spending time with family right now, but I will look at it tomorrow. I promise!

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:The best part of this part of the day is waiting to see who bandwagons and why.
I already know why I plan to bandwagon.

I'm waiting with bated breath..

The best part of this part of the day is waiting to see who bandwagons and why.

That would be hilarious if he could insanify himself, though Cats doesn't seem like the type of role to do that. I would expect Lippa or even Jekyll and Hyde

I'm still watching MM, but I'm waiting on him to be unsilenced. I have done it yet, but I've also been looking at the gumshoe possibility. I really wanted to see what Mafia 2 does this next night however before I delve into people that haven't posted in a while.

I'm slowly looking into BR, who I never really got a signal from. But since a few prominent people want her head, I feel like it's worth a post check. Will do some scoping on her before the end of the day since she is a prime candidate for the group, but am a little preoccupied with the open water right now

I honestly haven't looked into it. I'm trying to keep a strong focus on several people, with a soft soft focus on others. Ninja fits into that category. I'd equate her play to that of, like, fingersplints. From a glance, I see validity in your argument, but I feel like I still need to see more of ninja's play to come to more of a conclusion on her alignment.

Sloonei, for what it's worth, my reads at this moment in your shortlist from Mafia to Civ are: Tiny, BR, MM and ninja.

Linki- ninja is the one to watch from the Les Mis Pm group. I don't think FZ was mafia. And I don't think you are. There is some validity in the theory that the mafia should have had a mole in each group for PM exclusivity. But then again, we might be over assuming that other people even give a shit about the PMs and will just wait for us to solve it for them.

Also what happened to the insanifier? Not that I'm missing it.

Oh, I misunderstood. For some reason I had it in my mind you didn't change the vote, but had like a vigi ability to lynch. I'm currently sitting by the beachfront one so I apologize. I'll need to rethink my logic in a bit.

Ah ok that actually makes sense if you thought you could get 2 lynches in one day.

I know a guy with a striped shirt and claws that might be able to help you out

Sloonei wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:if y'all still need a replacement, lemme know.
I give it two real-time days before you're the thread's top poster.

Sloonei, do you ever sleep?

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TinyBubbles wrote:
Sloonei wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:Put my vote in for long con, because there are far too many votes on cobalt right now, i dont trust that thre's not a scummy reason to get him lynched (even if he is mafia). Could be a willing sacrifice, to call attention away from the others. And long can has been slightly suspicious from the start, though i dont know him fromprevious games so cant be sure its not just his usual style. He seemed an easy target last poll so i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. however now there is no point, most likely cobalt's going to get lynched.

And sorry for not posting much. some posts have seemed kind of hostile, made me reluctant to involve myself. I am still around though

I think i recall bass suspecting i'm scum? I dont know if that was just meant to provoke a reaction or if it's his real opinion. Either way it's fishy.. and yes, for the 1000th time im still civ and will be civ ALL GAME and if you think that it's scummy of me to reiterate that, you don't really know me at all or you're misdirecting.
Are you saying that people who are suspicious of you are purposefully misdirecting the thread by putting attention on you? Surely you do not think you should be above suspicion.
Of all the people who have accused you, who do you get the scummiest vibes from?
Not necessarily, but i wouldnt be surprised.if i was mafia id be wanting to call attention to a particular person and then pretend to have a debate about them with a baddie teammate,. Just to get people's stance on them. I think real civs dont form strong opinions about any one person unless there is a lot of evidence or its close to lynch time. Also dont get into tight knit conversations about that person unless the thread is already moving in that direction. I dunno maybe im wrong

And of course, not saying im above suspicion. But im not trying to shift attention on anyone in particular, and what have i said thats so suspicious? Other that saying im civvie? Honestly im more surprised other people dont claim it if they are. i just dont want to be lynched early, i would love to see how this game develops towards the end and i want to be a part of that.

Scummiest vibes.. probably bass. And from everyone else, im getting some scummy vibes from hedgeowl and black rock.
Neverwhere seems to be exactly the same as in previous games, but she was baddie in those games. Not sure about how i feel about her.
Also Epi 2.0 is not giving off the same vibes as original Epi, and i dont believe RL is the only reason. On my radar

Scotty wrote:Trying to type this shit out on my phone is beyond annoying.

Tiny's response, "Honestly im more surprised other people dont claim it if they are" seems like a very weak comment. First of all, we're not doing info dumping here (right Cobalt?) and secondly raccoons may look cuddly and cute until you let them into the house and they take a big ole bite out of your dog. I love my dog. And you, Tiny, seem like the raccoon that just wants to come in and have a lunch party.

I still stand by my statement on Day 2. I sort of backed off of Tiny after her exasperated post of quitting, but actually wanted to comment on it soon thereafter. Tiny hasn't stirred much of the pot, nor has she really made any convincing suspicions of anyone. Just some vibes on people. I get weird vibes from my dog when he's watching me poop or whatever. Doesn't mean it's bad, or good. It's just weird. Doesn't really help discussion. She's very sweet and cuddly, with a smiley face on almost every post. (Hey, it's better than spewing insults in every post

)

TinyBubbles wrote:put a vote on myself... cause it's probably gonna go that way anyway and honestly i am not really enjoying this game anymore. i'm civ though, you'll discover that as soon as i'm lynched.

almost a day later:

TinyBubbles wrote:
Golden wrote:Bubbles you are here...

I would really like you to save yourself and not vote for yourself and keep playing... have a chat to llama if the hostility is tough. :wub:

This hasn't been the easiest game so far but if you hang in there the fun will return before end game, I'm sure. It's particularly rough taking suspicion, but I'm not convinced you are bad by any stretch.
i was reading over the past few pages, thankyou for your kindness! and everyone else too. i pm'd Dom about how i was feeling... i won't repeat it here.

anyway, i'm gonna switch my vote to sig. maybe that'll save me haha. i think sloonei's post back on page 39 was quite convincing.

you seemed so ready to give up a day earlier, and now after we babied you, you feel intent on sticking around, and putting a vote on sig.
Now, while sig wasn't a bandwagon vote (you voted 4th on him that day), I saw no indication that you were utilizing any reasoning behind that vote. Hey, maybe mine and Sloonei's arguments made sense, that's cool, but I didn't see that.

It might be rough to take suspicion, and I don't want you to take MY suspicion the wrong way. I am coming on to you right now, but again. This is nothing personal. I've just thought you were scum since Day 2, but I couldn't put into words specifically how.

Cobalt wrote:My main concern about Sloonei is that if he is scum, every single one of his reads is strategic, and we have no IDEA what to actually trust. I'm not willing to take the risk of letting someone lead the general town consensus like that on every single other player. Way too risky.

I do not think Sloonei is scum. If he is, then I will poop in my shoes. And guys, I don't want to do that.

Golden wrote:Also, you raise Scotty and that's someone hopefully I'll finally have a bit of time to read back on tomorrow, but I see that possibility much more so than sloonei.

I'm actually surprised I haven't be publicly looked into more. I look forward to it.

Golden wrote:Is MM silenced? Have we heard from him today? He's been active in guess who. I'm guessing he's our silencee today.

That would make a lot of sense. I do still want to hear his response to why he's voting Cobalt.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:if y'all still need a replacement, lemme know.

I would ask Bullzeye, and maybe Devin or DREAM. They could just be sleeping, but I know specifically Bullz was asking to be replaced.

I go to sleep for 6 hours and I'm already behind a page. You vampires.

Wow, so that was a very filling past few hours. Thanks for finally showing up Cobalt!
After reading through your responses, I can safely say you've risen MUCH higher on my scale. You seem closer to -5 than my previous -15. Not completely back to neutral, but allowing me to trust you more. Thanks for answering a lot of the heat that was thrown at you.
One thing I didn't see addressed (maybe you did and I skipped it) was the speculation raised by Epi 2.0 in regards to your switching votes on Day 1:

Epignosis wrote:If you really wanted LC out, you allegedly had the power all along to make that happen. Instead, you baited other people into voting for you Day 2. Rather, you waited until Day 2, and like a serial villain, you began advertising to your enemy that you were going to switch the lynch to Long Con. Why didn't you keep mum about it and just do it?

That's a wasted lynch. You could have used it Day 1 and really helped the civilians early on.

++++

Compare this to Day 3, when once again, votes were changeable:

Long Con
2
Cobalt (4), sig (22) 8%

Did it look like Long Con was going to be lynched Day 3? If not, then why not change your vote to "someone else [you] found scummy" as you claim you did Day 1?

Your response:

Cobalt wrote:Epi went for me as soon as my vote wound up on SVS instead of Long Con, so Epi did have views on me. Why would I be stupid enough to kill someone who wanted my head on a platter on night one?

did not really answer WHY you voted the way you voted. Could you care to comment on that?

Golden wrote:I think DF's activity has increased slightly since you suggested he was bad.

With canuckle's logic, that's a bad thing, right?

OK, I wasn't asking about his lie. He even said he was lying. Do you think it's possible he could have pardoned himself?

Quick question- if Into the Woods is still alive, do you all think he/she pardons the one lynch during the day phase or night phase?

Because another thing that is giving me pause is that Cobalt could very much be Into the Woods. Am I wrong in thinking that is a possibility?

I'm basing my read off of what Cobalt talks about and what his actions are. Not responding to criticism in any capacity is, to be honest, shady.

The 2 reasons that I am not autovoting Cobalt now, who is hovering at the top of my scum list, are the facts that:
- I have a sneaking suspicion he was silenced today, and it is unfair to speculate on someone's posting gaps if it's out of their hands
- If he was silenced, why would they silence him now?
- I want to hear why MM, who also currently isn't high on my civ list, did a drive by Cobalt vote.

I just got an idea- I don't know as much about obscure roles as you vets, but do we know all Wildhorn posse kill on even nights? What if that is just Wildhorn, and Bonnie and Clyde can kill on odd nights? But like, they only have 2 stocks (1 for Bonnie and 1 for Clyde). That would explain why only Clyde showed up. Timmer's theory sounds possible, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were some oddball role abilities to play off the custom game guidelines. It also doesn't make sense that teams would combine already (if that is something that might happen at all).

I'm not deadset on Faraday right now to be honest. That's probably the biggest thing I don't agree with on your rainbow list, Sloonei. He did appear like he could have been blendy but at the same time I feel like some of his observations (to my memory) reminded me of timmer's play. And timmer actually struck me as slightly scummy early on, though not in the past 2 days. To me, they both seem moderately civ.

I'll get back to why I think that when I can comb through the thread

Also MetalMarsh, id love to hear your thoughts on Cobalt, since you voted for him.
That fact and the fact that Cobalt may very well be silenced right now is giving me pause.

timmer wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
So am I on LC's team or Sig's? Sorry I had no suspicion on Sig until he was outed by himself. I don't think I defended LC ALL game. I did say I didn't think he killed Epig and I was right. Who are you trying to lead the lynch away from today Timmer?
Oh BR, you aren't going to... NO U me.... are you?

I'm not honestly sure which team to place you on, the fact is that your output in this game screams baddie to me. i think I've made a pretty strong case against you, the best I've put together against someone in awhile. And the fact that your response to my case is to instantly start insinuating that I'm trying to protect someone is... well, let's just say this: votes Black Rock

Bold move there, Cotton!

I do see the validity in your observations of BR, timmer. It's definitely something that I will look into once I get to the beach today

Neverwhere wrote:I'm hoping to reply to Sloonei and other peoples concerns about me later. Finally have my internet working a bit better. However, I am suddenly faced with being in the situation where my relationship is breaking down and it's causing me a great deal of stress abd causing me to care a lot less about mafia. I may be quiet for another day or two, or I may just focus my attentions on mafia full time. Who the fuck knows. This is not to make you feel sorry for me and decide not to vote for me. Lynch me if you feel you must. Just wanted to let you know, I'm trying my best and will be a participant as soon as I can.

Hey neverwhere, boo, don't sweat it. I just got over a lengthy relationship and honestly distraction like Mafia was both a blessing and curse.
However, gonna be real for sec.
Maybe not using this as a platform, but at some point you should get someone to talk about it. these kinds of games can absorb all your time. I know I won't fault you if you need to take some time, manage your shit IRL, check in every now and then until you do. Set some guidelines with your self in your relationship, and be real about time to commit here. I don't know your situation, but unless you no longer want a relationship, I'd suggest not committing full time right now to mafia. It might make you bitter, strung out, and altogether will help no one.

The selfish player in me wants you to go fulltime, but that's flimflam. You do you. Every so often let us know some thoughts, or if you really can't do that, then ask to be replaced. But don't give up, it's just a bump in the road.
My psychology degree seeping into my words right now.

My point is: no need to apologize for RL crap going on. I pity you not, but I also don't fault you.

Cobalt wrote:inb4 G-Man either bombs or somehow survives this phase

What was the point of this post?

Also, who do you guys think was silenced today, if anyone? Could be Cobalt. Could be DREAM.

I have this theory that DREAM has continually been silenced every day since Day 0, and is just WAITING to explode with some insight.
A boy can dream, anyway.

Canucklehead wrote:Earlier in my catch-up I was feeling that Cobalt was deffo bad, but the fact that he hasn't yet lived up to his promise to be more engaged actually makes me less suspicious of him (contrary to Sloonei's opposite thought). I just think the impetus to clean up your image and contribute is much stronger for the mafia (especially if you've got a chat room full of buddies counting on you to do so), while civs who are feeling disengaged/uninterested in the game have no real push to get back into it.

Yes, except Cobalt hasn't been taking any heat in the past few days, so what impetus does he have to clean up and be more engaging? Not really until last night, honestly, have we (Epi, then I) brought him back into suspicion. When he posted explaining he was playing lazy the last few days, I expected that was on account of the fact that he could just skim. He was already pretty ambiguously aligned. Wouldn't a civ try and contribute at this point?

The longer he sits away from the game, the more suspicious I grow of him.

Sloonei wrote:
Golden wrote:Only West Side Story and wildhorn, other than the one you and scotty got.
what's the gist of the west side story role?

It sounds like a massacre.
If I were a Jet, I'd shark the hell outta dodge.

linki- I've deciphered the thing, Sloonei, but go ahead and give a whack at it. I think it's a good thing for us to know, but (like Golden) not necessarily share.

Wildhorn can corrupt the plays Whistle, Merrily and Primrose. In whatever capacity that means.

Btw no dice on sending the deciphered PM to Dom. I literally have no idea why Into the Woods was revealed

linki- It was me, sloonei and ninja (and FZ), not nutella that got the other PM

@Golden - Sorry I probably sound like a righteous ass right about now. You are correct in that I'm probably suffering from groupthink. But I think that any stooge can solve the play in the PM. I'm all for what's in the best interest of the town- I just have to assume there's a good chance a mafia can also decipher your PM if they try hard enough.

Golden wrote:Scotty - never assume the mafia has a player who can solve those messages. Fewer people are good at it than you think, even with crowd think abilities. There are two different mafia teams out there as well.

You didn't say whether you had the same message.

Oh, I thought I answered that way back when we got them. Actually...

nutella wrote:Wow. Nobody died... again.

Did everyone who voted for Miss Saigon get the West Side Story pm?

Thanks to nutella, I already know you have West Side Story. Ninja, Sloonei, FZ [RIP] and I got a different PM.

Golden wrote:Based on a tradition 'mafia two kills even nights' reading, Clyde trying to kill Bass is out of synch.

That's why I want to know Bonnie and Clyde's role, because maybe they can kill off different nights. I would hope that we would get some sort of lead-up if teams were able to kill every night.

Golden wrote:@scotty - I don't want to say what role, and I think there are good reasons not to. I will, however, use one word from it so we can see if they are the same. Massacre.

Hmm, ok. You know that 70% of the thread can also decipher that PM, right?
I don't like massacre. Do you think it has anything to do with the night actions seen thus far?

A couple things to be gleaned from this scene.
1) I have no idea what song these singers could be parodying. Too many unique words. Could be a whole bunch of anything. I'll keep researching.
2) Bass is not on team Wildhorn at least.
3) Bass probably had protection of some sort if Bonnie and Clyde did in fact try and kill. I REALLY want to know what role Bonnie and Clyde have. Hoping for more puzzles.

Golden, what civ role is your PM about? You don't have to post the description.
Also, I just messaged Dom with my completed (I know I'm fully correct) PM. Hoping to get some sort of response...

Hmm...interesting kill. I had a civ read on FZ, but we won't know.

And that disproves my theory that their roles show up when they're NK'd. Bummer. All around weird pick. Guess we go through FZ's posts for clues.

Heh. Yeah. Sorry about it MM. I'm pretty sporadic in my accusations, but also you were curious yesterday on when I would have more details on my thoughts. So it's not just you. I have more, but those stuck out to me right now

OK. Getting settled in at home. I'm gonna be driving to the beach tomorrow all day so I'll be attentive while I can. To sum up:
The mafia is probably getting very frustrated right now, and rightly so. We're doing God's work, sonn.

Backtracking to respond to MM:
I'm not going back on what I previously said before the LC lynch. I never really got your reasoning behind autolynching LC by Day 1. You and Cobalt both made some pretty bold accusations on LC that turned out to be right, but also seemed weak. Like Sloonei, I also can't find in your post history what made you lean LC. I even respond to this:

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He rhetorically wonders not once, but 4 times, why LC isn't dead yet, with LITERALLY the only shred of evidence being:

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...which is not worth an indignant auto-lynch IMO. Maybe he had info by Day 1? Hah. Doubt it. And even if he did, that's pretty poorly managed.
This drive-by auto-lynching is VERY similar to Cobalt's talk, whose opinion was predicated on the fact that LC just needed to go.

Just, you know, because. Like most of your responses to my requests of your detailed reasoning.

But here's the thing, and I'm changing gears here for a sec, but Epi brought to my attention again that Cobalt didn't in fact vote for LC. in the first phase. That is much more fishy than MM's actions.

The main reason I wanted to pin down roles throughout the first few days was for the very reason of figuring out if people like Cobalt can be slotted into civ roles. Nothing Cobalt has done this game gives any indication he is fighting on the civ's side.
He cited "laziness" a few pages ago, but I don't think that's it. I think that since we started focusing on the suspects that we could pin down more cleanly due to Cobalt's insanity with and without the insanifier, he's been able to coast. Sure, he might be busy. We all get busy. I've been busy. But his contributions to the civ game in the entirety of 5 days has been nil, IMHO. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt after his successful survival of the lynch, but man do I keep looking back and going "he lied about his ability- maybe- and he hasn't had any valid arguments that make sense except for LC - which, as he basically stated, was a gut feeling - and when it came down to the vote on LC or SVS he voted SVS.

Look, MM did good by eliminating Wildhorn early on, so I'm pretty positive you aren't on Mafia Team with LC. Team Webber, however, is looking very likely to me right now. And it wouldn't surprise me if you were independent.
If I had to rate you as of this posting on a scale from negative 20 to 20, 0 being independent and 20 being civ, I'd rate you at -5. (I don't do rainbow lists, sorry)

Cobalt, on the other hand, is more like -15. I see it more likely he is on team Wildhorn.

If someone can steer me in the direction of the Cobalt = civ train, let me know. I'm actually pretty open, but right now I got a big ole magnifying glass on him.

Epignosis wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Golden wrote:
Sloonei wrote:I thought you had previously stated that you were suspicious of Cobalt because of his interactions with Long Con, who would be a member of Mafia 2. Which team do you think it's more likely Cobalt would belong to?
I think the mafia 1 case is stronger than the mafia 2 case. But yes, I do recognise my reasons for seeing him as possibly bad are mutually exclusive, but I could see either being true.
You don't think Cobalt going after Long Con on Day 0 is a bit... odd?
Keep in mind that for all his macho posturing with Long Con Day 1, Cobalt in fact voted for S~V~S when it came down between them.

Long Con
6
Metalmarsh89 (2), Epignosis (8), Turnip Head (16), nijuukyugou (18), Gumshoe (21), Hedgeowl (22) 25%
MetalMarsh89

SVS
7
MovingPictures07 (9), DFaraday (10), S~V~S (13), Cobalt (14), sig (19), Long Con (23), Golden (24) 29%

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Golden wrote:In fact sloonei, I just looked at our rainbows, and they are almost polar opposite right now. You are suspecting a completely different set of people to me.

Some other things I don't like.

I don't like that epi has minimised the fact that he refuted that his 2.0 is quieter than his 1.0.

He said this:

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FZ. wrote:That said, I don't care how many times you refute it Epig, you've been posting very differently than your first day style.
How many times have I refuted it?
It's technically true that he has never said "Thats not true" but he has implied it, eg:

Epignosis wrote:
TinyBubbles wrote:and epi's has been very quiet compared to earlier in the thread when he had a different role (if i recall correctly?) which is also making me wary
Very quiet.

Very quiet.

I found it humorous that such talk was coming from someone who, at the time, had nineteen posts.

My plane is taxiing on the ru way right now but I have this say, Epi, I did not even notice that Cobalt didn't vote for LC. We've all kinda put Cobalt on the back burner for the past few days because he fell off the face of the earth, but I'm going to look at him again. I've voted for him two days in a row, and so I thought his game was getting so messy that I wante to rule him out.

But in a tie-situation where sig made sure SVS had majority, I didn't even think that Cobalt, who just said he had a 75 % "gut feeling" and 25% salt from previous games on LC, could sneak it back onto SVS, went unnoticed. Come on, that's pretty glaring.

Aight, I'm flying for the next 5 hours.peace

So I'm currently packing and am traveling all tomorrow. I plan to do some drafting on my flight as well as hopefully get around to reading and responding to Golden/Sloonei's chronicles. Either way, looks like there's a lot to talk about this night phase!

Also I love that speech, Dom. It was my college audition monologue, that.

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