The Syndicate

Quick speculation...

Let's say Nero is the joker and he gets lynched.
What are the odds that he has a classic jester ability seen in many formats? Has Epi ever included something like that in his games?

For those wondering, the jester can take one of the voters on his lynch down with him.

S~V~S wrote:
Scotty wrote:Look at everyone being civil and loving

What is it, Valentine's Day or what?
I can tell you to shut the fuck up if you like

Awww then it will truly be a recreation of my Valentine's Day from last year!

Look at everyone being civil and loving

What is it, Valentine's Day or what?

a2thezebra wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Bubbles wrote:soo i looked over matt's posts since he is the most voted right now, and i don't see it, don't think he is bad. suspicious of people who voted for him, gonna throw my own vote in for nero
Welcome to the thread, Bubbles.

This post and vote is shady as hell.
Have you played with Bubbles before? She is the queen of shady vote posts, it means nothing when it comes to her alignment.

One would think that if people suspect her every game for the same behavior, she'd change up her game a bit. I've played with her twice, and have the same ping from her both times. Doesn't mean I am voting for her tomorrow but man it drives me crazy if she is civ to just do a drive by vote as if she were ordering from Wendy's.

Bubbles wrote:soo i looked over matt's posts since he is the most voted right now, and i don't see it, don't think he is bad. suspicious of people who voted for him, gonna throw my own vote in for nero

Welcome to the thread, Bubbles.

This post and vote is shady as hell.

The fact that so many people are against a Matt lynch is making me regretful that I voted early.

I feel pretty wishywashy this game and it's pissing me off.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Since when did people start thinking it's OK to tell your fellow players to "fuck off" (GoC), "shut the fuck up" (here), or calling people names? I just saw Enrique call Matt "dipshit". Seriously, guys, I know I'm not the MoD, but I am the admin of this site, and I'm severely disappointed how recent games we've seemingly become more and more OK with being crass to each other.

I concur with this statement, you stinky mother-wearing sock.

Ok. I'll bite.

Voting Matt.

If he is good, then I'd look directly at Nero and maybe Enrique, and DH can get a tramp stamp in memoriam.
If he is bad, then yay.
If he is indie, then yay.

DharmaHelper wrote:Maybe 5% of my posts are insightful. :P

Lol is that something to be proud of?

bea wrote:I have to spend mafia time driving around the city for product.

Interesting point about BR TH.
Also interesting point about Mac dom.

Lots to think about and little time for posting.
I always worry that my

Interesting points, bea, though the

Black Rock wrote:
Golden wrote:No, I think the point about why 2 is unlikely is pretty sound. It's the same thing I was trying to say in Star Wars when Mac thought I might be on Team Hutt... Epi is not going to create mechanics that out people outright in the thread.

On the other hand, I'm trying to figure out how the joker thing will work without at least informing the person who targetted him.
Maybe is like a hungering. You can't mention the Joker, you can't mention you are cursed by the Joker, You can't mention the name of the Joker or the Joker will kill you!?

That would be a cool thing I could see these hosts thinking up. I love the Hunger.

I was curious about what would happen in your game if I had mentioned I had been hungered. Would I have been mod killed?

Dom wrote:I obviously don't want non-game related info.

If you didn't buy my case or Mac's case and also don't buy the theory, that would be logically consistent.

However, I really don't think Scotty is good. Especially since he denied the rolehint that I thought would make him in wayne manor.

Scotty wrote:
Dom wrote:Things like this make me think the theory we have about Scotty might not be right.

You just really want to lynch me. It's quite astounding. It's like you're me last Thursday and I'm that box of Thin Mints I forgot about the bottom of my suitcase and had to eat until they were devoured and gone.
I'm not a thin mint, Dom. Watch your calorie intake.
Is this a threat?

WHAT ROLEHINT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I keep asking what you're getting at, and you're just talking around me like I'm not here.

Also, a threat? Uh...no? I honestly feel like you're getting argumentative for no reason. Which is why, tonally, I don't trust you. It's not just that you voted me or continue to hound me, but your defensiveness is off the charts.

Linki:

Dom wrote:Things like this make me think the theory we have about Scotty might not be right.

You just really want to lynch me. It's quite astounding. It's like you're me last Thursday and I'm that box of Thin Mints I forgot about the bottom of my suitcase and had to eat until they were devoured and gone.
I'm not a thin mint, Dom. Watch your calorie intake.

Bullzeye wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Enrique wrote:juliets just pointed out how Bass hasn't.
A common strategy when silenced is to vote early, or post elsewhere. But Bass has done neither of those things. I'd offer that he just hasn't been around.
Bass could be silenced but I'd be surprised. Personally I'd have silenced someone who posts a ton like Mac, Zebra, Golden, Matt, etc. One of those people you just can't shut up, as opposed to someone in the mid-range of posters. He seems a strange choice but it also seems reasonable to think it's him at this point IMO.

Scotty wrote:Meanwhile, Dom is just fed up and frustrated for some reason. I feel like he has been since he failed to lynch me day 1. I could very well vote there so as to give him a break so he's not as frustrated anymore...
This is a pretty shifty thing to say even for someone a lot of people are convinced is civ. Like you're literally saying we should lynch him for having voted for you and being frustrated even though those two things are unconnected and you didn't have much reason to think they weren't.

I didnt like his general tone this game, but I do understand his frustration.
Also, what do I have to lose? If enough people see me as civ, I'm dead on night 2 anyway.
Give me a lynch and I'll have something to work with besides tone reads, which is all i have to go on right now.

Dom wrote:So, please, Scotty, don't try and use that against me.

Thanks for putting words your frustration as opposed to "

"

I'm still confused as to what came of that. Apparently it wasn't enough that they needed to be replaced, but I feel like if they actually found out each other's role then some sort of penalty would have occurred, surely?

But it sounds like there's a direct correlation between Matt and Nero, and that by lynching one, you'd learn the alignment of the other. The only caveat is if Matt is just trolling the bridge, but I find that highly unlikely.

Meanwhile, Dom is just fed up and frustrated for some reason. I feel like he has been since he failed to lynch me day 1. I could very well vote there so as to give him a break so he's not as frustrated anymore...

sig wrote:If Matt was cursed by Joker I think it is more likely that he is a bad role, and that is why he is acting the way he is.

I disagree with Mac about the made insane thing, I highly doubt it is something we haven't seen on TS. That seems very far fetched.

I also still think Glorfindel sounds slightly weird, but as off right know I don't think he is mafia so I won't be pursuing that for the time.

Floyd came in and made a rather weird post, quoting something I said day 0 and then mentioning Glorfindel I don't like that at all. It is like he saw Glorfindel was in my cross hairs and a topic of discussion so he mentioned him, and then left. This also made me feel better about Glorfindel and worse about Floyd.

linki: I don't believe those silenced can vote this game?

Ah, maybe. Hadn't thought of that. Either way, there are other ways to show you're still around, and Bass would be privvy to that knowledge.

I also agree with you on Glorf. He definitely does not sound civ to me, but I'm thinking more and more that he is an indie. Which I'm fine to leave alone...right now.

If you had to vote right new, sig, would you vote Matt, Floyd, or someone else?

Linki: ok, but what if he is Batman? Hah, actually that would be hilariously improbable. I would actually laugh if Matt were Batman.

Enrique wrote:juliets just pointed out how Bass hasn't.

A common strategy when silenced is to vote early, or post elsewhere. But Bass has done neither of those things. I'd offer that he just hasn't been around.

I also find myself trusting juliets more for some reason.
I think Bullz is actually showing his civ self in this game/ last game I played with him we were on the same baddie team and he was a bit more laid back, even when pressured.

Question for DFaraday: if Matt were a baddie, you say it is statistically more likely that he targeted the Joker? This would mean he is Tony Zucco and blocked the Joker. How is that statistically more likely?
Unless you really meant Matt is likely an independent. Not a baddie.

Glorfindel wrote:Hey, Scotty. Thanks for your response to my post. Firstly, may I respectfully request that you refrain from posting in that pale yellow font. I'm using an available theme for this site and that colour font is near impossible to read - thanks for your consideration. Secondly, I'm a tart? Thank you kindly for that assessment of my character - I didn't think you knew me that well

Seriously though, yes. I was a third party once (in a Teen Wolf Mafia game) and I enjoyed it immensely. I was a vigilante and I made it my business to hunt Mafia and picked off one that no one suspected Night 1 (sadly it was one of those deals where the role is targeted as an NK, it kills the role that targeted it...). For the same reason that I like being Town (a degree of independence that I don't think Mafia have) I think being independent might be better especially if you have some kind of ability but unfortunately that is not my fate in this game.

As for your last remark, I find it belittling and insulting and frankly beneath someone of your stature on this site. You are of course entitled to your opinion and I completely respect your right to not believe anything I say but I find that response unnecessarily personal and unworthy of this site if it truly purports to be a place where these games are meant to be fun and respectful.

First and foremost, know that I'm not attempting to make a row with you or personally attack you. I apologize if it was coming across as such. I realize that sometimes I forget my humor may be a tad crass and may not be viewed as humor at all.

So here's the deal, on a general level: Your presence in the game is actually very welcomed, with the various spats and negativity being thrown around. You are intrinsically a nice person, and I feel like we need more people like you around! Being nice is not necessarily suspicious, but what pinged me was how- I thought- you were using it as a crutch. It appeared to me that it was laid on thicker than I thought it needed to be.

As for your response about indie: it sounds like you're painting your indie experience as closer to that of the town: more independent, fun, your own man. I think you could very well be independent, though I am still getting a weird vibe from you. I'm going to keep an open mind and not vote for you yet because gut reads are only comfortable to me if I can back it up with a little evidence.

Anyway- I'm all for keeping it fun and frothy but just as long as you know that most of the name calling I do from time to time is meant to not be taken seriously. If it upsets you after knowing such, I'll just refrain from going all Willy Wonka on you

MacDougall wrote:
Enrique wrote:I count one civvie role that even targets another player at night, along with one secret who might.

I count many more baddie ones
The Joker role is designed to hinder Bullock and probably Batman by messing with their abilities accuracy. Not post curse people. Makes far more sense.

So Matt is not cursed via targeting the Joker. Matt is posting in knock knock jokes for a different reasons, perhaps no reason at all.

The post where you were criticizing Matt for one word answers was taken out of context. He did those in response to the same thought, but changed to putting the whole joke in the same post to save thread space. (Though he proceeded to write a telenovela of 100 posts to balance it out) .

I don't have any idea what alignment he is, but I am 100% in the camp that he has been cursed.

Glorfindel wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:Glorfindel while you're here if you could explain the obvious differences began your civ and baddie metas I'd appreciate it.
To be honest with you my friend, I'm not sure. For some reason beyond my understanding, I have a lot of trouble at a deep level with being duplicitous. How that presents, I'm not sure (it's kinda like asking someone who's never stepped outside their house what it looks like from the outside...).well, no. That would mean that you've never been Mafia. Which you have. I suspect because I'm part of a team when I'm Mafia and am subject to the pressure of being responsible to them my posts become uncharacteristicly guarded. When I'm Town, I feel a lot more free to say what I think (albeit in a respectful way). In the context of this game, were I Mafia, I'd probably not have been critical of anyone to this point as I'd imagine I wouldn't want to call any attention to myself. I'm not sure if that answers your question...
ive got a question for you: have you ever been independent? Because you're being somewhat forthcoming with your tells as Mafia, but what about the other like 10 roles in the game?

As for this game, I confess I'm completely flummoxed at trying to work out a lot of what is going on. The whole MP thing? I was Mafia with him in Star Wars (for a time) and from what he's posted so far, I'm not getting a Star Wars vibe from him at all. I also don't think his calling Scotty out was necessarily a bad thing (although perhaps it's not that good for Scotty ). thanks for your concern. I was suspicious of Matt early on (and his knock, knock riddles are far beyond the point of driving me crazy). Again, Zebra's influence is key in that situation for me. I'd expect her reaction to him this Day phase to be quite different after Day 1. Yes, I know that she for all intents and purposes was a proponent of the information reveal thing last Day phase but if I have any skill at all in reading people in these games, I'm reading her as non-Mafia and very likely Town. youa tart by saying you don't know what to make of things, then you proceed to make of things.

Someone pointed out earlier how finely balanced this game is between Town and non-Town and I fear it could slip from our grasp very quickly. Having said that, I don't know that we're that far advanced from where we were at the end of the last Day phase. Personally, I keep waiting for an epiphany based on the information I receive from our nocturnal visits but nothing yet... this whole paragraph smells of elderberry. It sounds like a feinting war cry from a little boy in a Viking costume wearing armor that should only be worn by his dad. It looks like a fortune cookie with 2 blank fortunes.

Your WIFOM about what you would do if you were actually Mafia is hollow and honestly I don't even think it warrants an answer to TH.

Dom wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Dom wrote:Scotty, if you read this-- did you intend to role hint?
What role do you think I would supposedly be hinting at?
If you were civvie why the hell would you ask this question in response to this?
If you were civvie why wouldn't you just answer the question?

Did you or did you not? I felt it was quite explicit.
this entire game you have been treating me like I'm 8, when in fact I am at least 10! I answered your question with another question. im sorry you think that isn't civ behavior, but you've been wrong about me since day 0, so I don't feel like I owe you anything. I honestly don't know what you're getting at, since it was not explicit enough for me.
a2thezebra wrote:This is what happens when you try to reason with Matt. Those who still haven't faced such peril be warned...
Are you bad?

Nerolunar wrote:
juliets wrote:Nero why would Matt be trying to frame you?
I imagine it might be because Im somewhat of an easy target, being new and all that. Can´t know for sure though, his accusations just seem so desperate.

Linki He might be mafia and have no interest in going for the Joker, outside of the fact that the Joker needs the mafia dead.

Linki I see your point Zebra. However its still among one of the more solid cases I have seen today. I don´t think he is entirely genuine.

Its pretty good that we have lots of time to figure this out.

N00bcard

Scotty wrote:im sorry for not being around, y'all. I said it was a busy weekend and I'm not lying. Also my girlfriend just checked into the ER because she pinched a nerve I think, so I'm a little preoccupied.

In the meantime, I've been doing cursory glances through the past 10 pages and I didn't realize the Matt/Enrique show was on. Can I change the channel? I have no desire to vote either right now.

I actually find myself agreeing with sig's point of view. Yes, his stance of revealing info is controversial, but that's something that I've done in previous games as civ.

As for MP "confirming me as civ", I'm not mad at him, and I think people would have put two and two together eventually. I'm not seeing as big of a ping on him as I did day 1. I feel like I have a huge target on my back for night 2 and would be flabbergasted if I wasn't targeted. But I came to terms with being out of the game day 1. If I can just make it to Tuesday I'll be more productive and can really delve into more evidential reads with quotes and shit.

But right now, all I have is unsubstantiated reads of people based on gut. I really want more concrete info, besides a strong suggestion of Wilgy's role. It's not enough yet.

Also, I would like Dom to come back and tell me what he's up to. He and Glorf are still my top reads ATM. If I had to vote right now it would be for Glorf, even though zebra is convinced this is Glorf's civ game.

Here's hoping Matt gets picked up to be someone's ventriloquist dummy on a fancy new reality show on MTV.
Quite suddenly I'm your top read! Nice NO U. yep! Should I vote for you instead of Glorf?

im sorry for not being around, y'all. I said it was a busy weekend and I'm not lying. Also my girlfriend just checked into the ER because she pinched a nerve I think, so I'm a little preoccupied.

In the meantime, I've been doing cursory glances through the past 10 pages and I didn't realize the Matt/Enrique show was on. Can I change the channel? I have no desire to vote either right now.

I actually find myself agreeing with sig's point of view. Yes, his stance of revealing info is controversial, but that's something that I've done in previous games as civ.

As for MP "confirming me as civ", I'm not mad at him, and I think people would have put two and two together eventually. I'm not seeing as big of a ping on him as I did day 1. I feel like I have a huge target on my back for night 2 and would be flabbergasted if I wasn't targeted. But I came to terms with being out of the game day 1. If I can just make it to Tuesday I'll be more productive and can really delve into more evidential reads with quotes and shit.

But right now, all I have is unsubstantiated reads of people based on gut. I really want more concrete info, besides a strong suggestion of Wilgy's role. It's not enough yet.

Also, I would like Dom to come back and tell me what he's up to. He and Glorf are still my top reads ATM. If I had to vote right now it would be for Glorf, even though zebra is convinced this is Glorf's civ game.

Here's hoping Matt gets picked up to be someone's ventriloquist dummy on a fancy new reality show on MTV.

Dom wrote:Scotty, if you read this-- did you intend to role hint?

What role do you think I would supposedly be hinting at?

Jesus I'm like 8 pages behind. I'm sorry y'all, I just got my places call and I will respond to anything asked of me and catch up as soon as I can! Buuusy buuuusy weeked

Rip Wilgy

that pains me that he had a giant thing written, and that why I advocate talking at night before you don't have a chance to talk. Not saying that is the case here, but when people opt not to post at night in fear of getting NK'd and get NK'd anyway- not saying what they have on their mind- it makes me shake my head.

live liiiike you were dyyyyyyyiinnnnnng

So I'm in the same camp here regarding Glorf. Gordon doesn't know anything, so it's not like what he's saying is prophetic.

The thing that's been bugging me about Glorf is how, as I've been reading his posts, he is careful not to upset the masses. The only notable person I've seen him offer up on the table is sig, and his civ labeling is even longer. Everything about him seems like he is attempting to appear nice, and, to borrow SVS' term, appease everyone.

Anyone else notice that?

sprityo wrote:
Scotty wrote:as a side note, I've been playing a metric ton of One Night Ultimate Werewolf with my coworkers recently and I've found that a) I'm almost always a werewolf and b) I almost never win because people assume as such.

But that's okay, because I live for these types of games.
speaking of ONW...... "Spring 2016"

whats happening then? Is it another expansion?

Also, I'm not looking forward to all the night actions that are about to wreak havoc. It's like the mystery flavor in Dum Dums- just an amalgam of all the runoff from other flavors. Except it's not really, because mystery flavor is yummy, and this will not be.

Adding to my list Glorfindel to look further into over the coming day.

Thanks for responding DFaraday

True to my word, sabie showed up so now anyone's game.

I intend to look more closely at MP and put to words why exactly he pinged me.

juliets wrote:
Scotty wrote:
juliets wrote:I'm going to go ahead and vote Scotty for two reasons basically. First, he decided to vote lovedelic even though lovedelic is new to this site yet he ruled out Equivocate because Equivocate was new. Second, and here is a quote from Mac:

Dom then went on to point out that Scotty "needs concrete info" ... I actually love Dom's point. Scotty doesn't want to lynch MP because he needs concrete info, but earlier he wanted to lynch lovedelic who hasn't even posted.

This didn't make sense then and it doesnt make any more sense now and was a good point by Dom.

I decided not to vote Wilgy this time because his game seems different than the beginning of GOC where he was bad and i don't have time to read him in Recruitment or Pikmin where he was good. If he doesnt get lynched this round I will look at this tomorrow.

lots and lots of linki
Yo juliets, you've posted twice in this cycle since you wrote this. Wilgy wasn't lynched. Have you been "looking at this", and what exactly does "looking at this" mean? Because I can look at a Jackson Pollock for hours and I still won't know what it means to me.

Also, your entire basis of voting for me seems well thought out at a glance, but you're just rehashing what Dom said. And again, like a broken record, a no-poster is an outlier to my rule of not voting new players. If lovedelic had shown up, I would not have voted for a new player in Equiv. I feel like I don't need concrete info to vote for a no-show. No other case was jumping out at me, even though MP was pinging me.
First, I haven't looked into Wilgy yet because I haven't had time and really meant tomorrow as game day tomorrow which starts tomorrow. I am not one that does a lot of night posting.

Second, my base of voting you was well thought out. Just because someone else brought up the points does not mean I didn't think it through. I tried looking at other people but I decided in the end you were still the most suspicious. I worked hard to make sure I was voting the right person. I understand what you are saying about a no show but I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying. The biggest issue I had with your vote is you did not vote for the person who was pinging you, instead you voted for someone who had said nothing. I don't think we are ever really going to agree on this issue though, and I don't want to get into a round n round. I don't know who I'm going to vote for tomorrow to answer your other question. There is plenty of time for things to happen to shape my vote.

Okie dokie. I look forward to hearing what you have to say tomorrow, and thank you for keeping an open mind.

Linki: welcome sabie! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts and I don't envy your catch-up

Enrique wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Enrique wrote:DH are you the Penguin?
Is this a serious question?
It's one I'd like a proper answer to.

Just a reminder:

3. No role outing of yourself or anyone else.

Question to my voters yesterday (Dom, Mac, juliets, and DFaraday):
How likely are you to vote for me again tomorrow at this point in time?
Hypothetically if you don't vote for me, who would your vote go to right now?

juliets wrote:I'm going to go ahead and vote Scotty for two reasons basically. First, he decided to vote lovedelic even though lovedelic is new to this site yet he ruled out Equivocate because Equivocate was new. Second, and here is a quote from Mac:

Dom then went on to point out that Scotty "needs concrete info" ... I actually love Dom's point. Scotty doesn't want to lynch MP because he needs concrete info, but earlier he wanted to lynch lovedelic who hasn't even posted.

This didn't make sense then and it doesnt make any more sense now and was a good point by Dom.

I decided not to vote Wilgy this time because his game seems different than the beginning of GOC where he was bad and i don't have time to read him in Recruitment or Pikmin where he was good. If he doesnt get lynched this round I will look at this tomorrow.

lots and lots of linki

Yo juliets, you've posted twice in this cycle since you wrote this. Wilgy wasn't lynched. Have you been "looking at this", and what exactly does "looking at this" mean? Because I can look at a Jackson Pollock for hours and I still won't know what it means to me.

Also, your entire basis of voting for me seems well thought out at a glance, but you're just rehashing what Dom said. And again, like a broken record, a no-poster is an outlier to my rule of not voting new players. If lovedelic had shown up, I would not have voted for a new player in Equiv. I feel like I don't need concrete info to vote for a no-show. No other case was jumping out at me, even though MP was pinging me.

Typhoony wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Any combination of three night actions/votes earns a modkill. There is a possibility that someone would do it on purpose without getting punished
Participation score =/= modkill.

Linki: hence the "knows her well" Scotty

Ok, it just looked like you were framing that comment towards Nero

Typhoony wrote:Svs would not miss a vote on purpose, no matter what. Anyone that knows her and seriously thinks she would gets an

Well Nero probably doesn't know her as well. As an unaffiliated observer, I would think the same thing. I don't think this is necessarily suspicious to hypothesize.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Nerolunar wrote:Are you guys sure about that? She might have broken her meta and is trying a new strategy. Just because it´s traditional to do something doesn´t make it true.

Rubs me the wrong way that you don´t consider that option.
Well, it's bad form to miss votes here, and even punishable depending on the Host(s).

I realize there is a role that can block a vote, but it is Day 1, so wouldn't take effect yet.

SVS of all people is very forthcoming with her mistakes and is pretty hobest in my limited experience playing with her, even when she's bad. I also don't think she purposely missed the vote.

as a side note, I've been playing a metric ton of One Night Ultimate Werewolf with my coworkers recently and I've found that a) I'm almost always a werewolf and b) I almost never win because people assume as such.

But that's okay, because I live for these types of games.

Bullzeye wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Typhoony wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote: You call it tunnelly, I call it my normal day 1. Every game. Look at the D1's any of the other 10 games I've played on this site. I do tunnel, admittedly, but this is not an example of that.

Next time maybe I'll just vote in alphabetical order or something, because apparently that is a safe way to vote that won't induce criticism.
As scary as it sounds, this has proven to be somewhat correct.
Everybody should vote in alphabetical order.
Kills must also be done in alphabetical order.
I have hereby decided this.
I'd object, but I'm 7th alphabetically so I suppose I still get a decent run anyway.
Are you saying that your win con is not in jeapordy if you don't survive by the end of be game?
I'm saying I haven't won a game of mafia in so long I no longer care either way. Like the idea of winning doesn't even cross my mind any more until I get close to it.

We have a lot in common, my man.

Bullzeye wrote:
Typhoony wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Scotty wrote: You call it tunnelly, I call it my normal day 1. Every game. Look at the D1's any of the other 10 games I've played on this site. I do tunnel, admittedly, but this is not an example of that.

Next time maybe I'll just vote in alphabetical order or something, because apparently that is a safe way to vote that won't induce criticism.
As scary as it sounds, this has proven to be somewhat correct.
Everybody should vote in alphabetical order.
Kills must also be done in alphabetical order.
I have hereby decided this.
I'd object, but I'm 7th alphabetically so I suppose I still get a decent run anyway.

Are you saying that your win con is not in jeapordy if you don't survive by the end of be game?

Dom wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Golden wrote:Scotty, what I don't trust from you is that you seem tunnelly and not very open minded. I can understand if that comes about from defensiveness, but even if all you are interested in tomorrow is voting sabie if she doesn't turn up, I think you should move on to other discussions first anyway. I know that you are a great contributor to the thinking of the thread often. Given I'm not seeing that, it gives me pause.

I don't actually think your low poster/no poster thing is that suspicious, but if it feels like thats all the opinions you have, that is a bit suspicious.
You call it tunnelly, I call it my normal day 1. Every game. Look at the D1's any of the other 10 games I've played on this site. I do tunnel, admittedly, but this is not an example of that.

Next time maybe I'll just vote in alphabetical order or something, because apparently that is a safe way to vote that won't induce criticism.
This isn't the point. The point is that your rationale is self contradictory.

Don't we have some "concrete evidence" now?

No. I don't know anyone's alignment yet. We don't know if Robin saved himself or me or if there's another secret power in effect. If aomeone dies tonight, we'll know something. Motivations, maybe. We have a pool where people voted for other people but that tells me nothing yet.

I get a feeling, however, that I will need to change my gameplan and start talking reads on other people for day 1 part 2. Im in the unenviable position this weekend where I'm tied up in 5 shows before I get a week off, so my time is limited to delve into other people. So I'll have all of next week to drive my post count up to normal (sorry about it, Black Rock).

Golden wrote:
Scotty wrote:It's late and I have an early bus to catch.
Scotty slipped!

youre right, it was a UFO, not a bus

Golden wrote:Scotty, what I don't trust from you is that you seem tunnelly and not very open minded. I can understand if that comes about from defensiveness, but even if all you are interested in tomorrow is voting sabie if she doesn't turn up, I think you should move on to other discussions first anyway. I know that you are a great contributor to the thinking of the thread often. Given I'm not seeing that, it gives me pause.

I don't actually think your low poster/no poster thing is that suspicious, but if it feels like thats all the opinions you have, that is a bit suspicious.

You call it tunnelly, I call it my normal day 1. Every game. Look at the D1's any of the other 10 games I've played on this site. I do tunnel, admittedly, but this is not an example of that.

Next time maybe I'll just vote in alphabetical order or something, because apparently that is a safe way to vote that won't induce criticism.

in normal day 1 fashion, I've attracted ire from a good handful of vocal people.
It's late and I have an early bus to catch. I'm tired of defending my vote. One last analogy before I just ignore it and wait for Dom and Mac to pummel me into the ground for doing what I fucking try to do every day 1- vote no posters, followed by low posters.

Hypothetical--- Ignore the names and pretenses of both Equiv and lovedelic. Let's substitute Equiv with Eleanor Roosevelt and lovedelic with Betsy Ross. Two important women in the history of the United States. Also both are working under me in my cigar company (why not). But Betsy Ross didn't show up to work, and the company loses 28% in production that day because of it. Eleanor Roosevelt didn't work very hard that day because of a bad knee, and wasn't really up to snuff.
I fire one of them. Which did I fire? The one that didn't show up to work or the one that's not up to the level I expect yet?

There's another employee I have- MaximumPotato (MP) I hear rumors that he's been pissing in the coffee pot but I can't confirm or deny that. So I will have I get security cameras installed to better monitor his habits. Do I fire him for a rumor? Some would. Hell, the board (Dom, Mac and others) say I should send a message to the rest of the staff not to mess with me! But I don't feel comfortable giving him the slip on a hunch. Not yet. Betsy Ross was supposed to be let go, but the board is antsy and says I'm demeaning to women. But I didn't fire Eleanor Roosevelt, did i?

Does this analogy ring true at all to you guys?

I will never understand why I was almost lynched today, except that some of the more vocal instigators led others to believe I'm some sort of two-faced deviant.

Dom, you can be quite trite and persuasive in so little words, which allows many people to trust you. This makes me wary of your voice in a game where baddies should be actively campaigning to look for the other baddies as well. It helps to follow someone like you or Mac which seem to be an ally to the civs, but had you actually lynched me you would have found to be utterly wrong in your suspicions. And then people would probably think twice about trusting you.

That being said, I don't read either of you as bad because you both have a reasonable flair about you and you could very well be hard-nosed civs. But as a young woman once told me, "you're gonna wonder how you ever thought you could live so large and leave so little for the rest of us"

I'll attempt to add more to the discussion on my trip tomorrow. I welcome sabie, but warn that should she not post in the next cycle, regardless of her newness to the game, And should I survive the night, I will be voting her in the best phase. If she does post, then great! I'll move on to more pressing matters as the situations arise.

checking in at intermission.

Also welcome Sable!! Looking forward to hearing from you.

Do we think a tie lynch is always a no-lynch or is Enrique on to something with the Joker having some power over a tie lynch?

@Hosts are tie lynches always a no-lynch?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:Voted lovedelic like I said I would.
Shocker.
I get a certain "Hey look, I'm consistent" vibe in this post from Scotty.

As an unbiased observer, it looks to me like he's rather contradictory.

Voted lovedelic like I said I would. I need to get ready for a show.

@Dom in regards to ekaknat: Why is that curious? People have listed tons of people before me. In terms of tone, I am most thrown off be him than the others. That recent post he made is the reason why. It has nothing to do with what others were talking about.

Golden wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:I think Floyd just enjoys barely playing.
Floyd plays late when he gets there. I know some people aren't a fan of that but as an impartial observer of Tree Mafia I thought that Floyd turned an early start into a really good performance.

I don't think it is a good habit that we have gotten into recently where we suspect people for being low posters who are always low posters. Bubbles is another of these. DF, Bass... I'd rather view them all based on the substantive content they do have.

For me, the kind of person I'd lynch for being a 'low poster' is really an absentee... someone who has stopped playing entirely.

I tried contacting lovedellic on rym but I was having trouble loading RYM. Anyone else able to give it a try?

This guy right here gets it.

Does that make any sense to you, @Dom?

Bullzeye wrote:
Scotty wrote:So now some of you are actively looking at low posters, huh? Interesting.

Is the reason none of you are willing to vote lovedelic because he's new to the site?
I am tempted but only because he hasn't posted once or logged on in ages and if that goes on there's no point him being around. If he posted even once I'd be unwilling to vote him straight away though. I'm also considering Floyd and Bubbles because honestly they've contributed as much to the game as Lovedelic has and both consistently get away with low participation for long periods of time in my experience. For Floyd in particular I actually associate tend quietness and badness based on my experience with him in TH.

Which is exactly why I'd more willingly vote him over Equiv.

I would agree, if I were to look at low posters, that ekeknat would get my vote if lovedelic so much as says hello.

The one game I played with Floyd, he was the cop, and actually posted about the same amount as now in a manner of 2 days, so I'm still wary that is happening here.

ekeknat- "anyone could be bad"? Yes. You are technically correct. But come on man. All this time, and nothing to add...on anything?

linki: BR You are correct that I haven't been posting all that much this game. Maybe it is a strategy I'm employing in order to actually win a game for once and not get blasted and NK'd for talking too much. Or maybe I just haven't had much time. I'd go with the latter, but who knows?

juliets wrote:
Scotty wrote:So now some of you are actively looking at low posters, huh? Interesting.

Is the reason none of you are willing to vote lovedelic because he's new to the site?
Thats the reason I wouldn't vote him day 1 Scotty. I usually give the BOTD to someone who's first game it is on our site unless they have been playing a lot of games elsewhere.

Fair enough. I completely understand that reasoning, I'm just wondering if everyone is in the same boat.

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