The Syndicate

ika wrote:i feel liek thsi game is going nowhere and its jsut back and forth aboutt he same things....

lets lynch dasy!

Ok. Ill throw my stick in the fire.

Daisy.

Why is MM still voting for himself? Like, I know why he said he is voting for himself, but why is he still drawing on himself with a sharpie in the mirror?

Spacedaisy wrote:
Scotty wrote:Grr fixed. Damn phone formatting.
Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Now Lorab I am up in the air about. I am a little surprised that when Silver was killed, Lorab immediately went to trying to downplay the idea she is likely civ because of Carson. I get that possibility is out there, but why is it so important to you that Silver is not trusted? She barely made any reads at all? Or were we too close for comfort to a teammate who might be linked to her death?
I wasn't trying to downplay anything, and I never disputed that she was likely civ--I merely pointed out the possibility that it is not 100% confirmed that she's civ. I often point out a possibility, even when small, that no one has considered.
Spacedaisy wrote:Fair enough, I'm moving my vote to Scotty. Just because I can for the moment. I'll try and evaluate tomorrow and see where I want to put my vote. I'm moving it off Lorab because of my god awful gut reads so far.
So LoRab is saying essentially: 'I was just pointing out the possibility that silver is civ' after you said "I get that possibility is out there" and it sways you enough that you take the vote off her, putting it on me just because? ok.

That's basically confirmation bias.
I was way off on my first two suspicions. It is shaking my confidence. I moved my vote quickly because I didn't want to set someone up for a bandwagon when I'm not feeling super certain about.

Let us hope that. Bandwagon doesn't start forming on me then.

ika wrote:
Scotty wrote:Ika what do you think of:
Dom
Daisy
DFaraday
Dip n' dots
i would lynch them all if i had multi-lynching powers. if you asking for reasons then i need more time for that and that can be done in a little bit

What happened to this? Little bit is preferred in this day cycle por favor.

Also why did you vote for Sorsha and not announce it or explain your vote?

Polo wrote:Either Matt, Wilgy or Sorsha has been silenced last night.

Why would you guys want to silence poor Matt? He's still got some catching up to do!

Grr fixed. Damn phone formatting.

Scotty wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Now Lorab I am up in the air about. I am a little surprised that when Silver was killed, Lorab immediately went to trying to downplay the idea she is likely civ because of Carson. I get that possibility is out there, but why is it so important to you that Silver is not trusted? She barely made any reads at all? Or were we too close for comfort to a teammate who might be linked to her death?
I wasn't trying to downplay anything, and I never disputed that she was likely civ--I merely pointed out the possibility that it is not 100% confirmed that she's civ. I often point out a possibility, even when small, that no one has considered.
Spacedaisy wrote:Fair enough, I'm moving my vote to Scotty. Just because I can for the moment. I'll try and evaluate tomorrow and see where I want to put my vote. I'm moving it off Lorab because of my god awful gut reads so far.
So LoRab is saying essentially: 'I was just pointing out the possibility that silver is civ' after you said "I get that possibility is out there" and it sways you enough that you take the vote off her, putting it on me just because? ok.

That's basically confirmation bias.

LoRab wrote:
ika wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Why are you speculating in the thread about who has a civilian role?
sometimes i get board and like to try to figure peoples roles
Figuring out people's roles is a good thing. Even if you aren't bored. But posting your speculations in the thread can only help the baddies.

Scotty wrote: LoRab: looks bad. I didn't remember anything she has said so I ISO'd her. Not a lot of anything there. Half her posts are just nostalgic posts of the past or asking questions. The other parts:
Day 1, she laments that she doesn't see the case on Dom or DFaraday because they're both playing typically. She votes BWT with the crowd because...he made an inconsistent point, and that was unlike him. Then, shying away from all the bandwagons 24 hours later, does a meaningless vote for Wilgy because he is posting in normal Albeit strange Wilgy manner- also demanding he post normally.
She has played with Wilgy before and knows he has some quirky posting style every game. For someone that doesn't suspect certain people for posting similar to their meta, this is a surprising vote.
Day 2, she misses the vote, and comes back recently saying she doesn't know how she would have voted. Offers the same excuse: "I need to reread" the case on DFaraday. She accepts Epi's suspicion for being quiet, and says that her game has been unusually quiet so far.
Her excuses make her seem worse for wear. Even admitting recently that her game has changed recently.
I think LoRab could very well be bad, and would like to follow this suspicion further.
I may "look bad" to you, but I'm not bad. And, yes, there has been a bit of nostalgia--Illy is one of my closest mafia friends and I haven't played a game with her in years--I'm enjoying having her back in the game, bantering about old times, and having her here has brought back some mafia memories. And, I've been travelling, so my schedule has been off and I haven't had a ton of time to play.

And I don't think Wilgy is being the same as in every game--and it was a day 1 vote, I voted on what I had in the thread. I actually continue to have some suspicion of Wilgy--especially since he never commented on my vote or reason for it (unless I missed a response, in which case someone please point me to it).

And, truly, I have not had time to reread anyone--again, travelling, not a lot of time for mafia. I'm not sure what you mean by the last paragraph--I've been quieter than usual because of travel--not the first time that's happened. Not even the first time in recent games. I don't see how being quieter has anything to do with my seeming suspicious. And I did not sy my game has changed recently, just that it's changed since I last played with Illy, in response to her post commenting that I'm not as talkative as I used to be. When Illy and I used to play together, I'd regularly be among the top posters--I once discovered that LP had a character limit on posts and ended up making a post that was 3 posts long because of it. That's not how I play any more--given that Illy is using meta and my rate and style of posting is not what it was then, I wanted to point that out.

I can't help but think that you're twisting the facts in order to get a case against me. Or, even after I've been around here for a while now, you still think that my game play is inherently suspicious and haven't learned how to read me.

Epignosis wrote:Toss Lorab in that second list.
In a shocking plot twist that no one saw coming, Epig suspects LoRab. Otherwise known as a game in which we are both playing.

Epignosis wrote:Lorab may end up with my vote.

LoRab wrote:
ika wrote:hey sig would it be too far fetched that epi is the silencer?
Why are you speculating in the thread about who has a civilian role?
Why is that worth giving someone the eye?

Why didn't you give Polo the eye?

Polo wrote:I believe you are Mr. Carson, Epignosis.
This guy basically called me an old, overweight servant who is married in real life to Dolores Umbridge.
I always find suspicious someone who actively helps the baddies in the thread. It's something that has always pinged my suspiciometer. It's not in the best interest of the civs and it makes me doubt the player's intentions.

And I must have missed noticing the Polo post. I've been catching up in spurts and sometimes in skimming miss a detail here and there.

LoRab wrote:
Spacedaisy wrote:Now Lorab I am up in the air about. I am a little surprised that when Silver was killed, Lorab immediately went to trying to downplay the idea she is likely civ because of Carson. I get that possibility is out there, but why is it so important to you that Silver is not trusted? She barely made any reads at all? Or were we too close for comfort to a teammate who might be linked to her death?
I wasn't trying to downplay anything, and I never disputed that she was likely civ--I merely pointed out the possibility that it is not 100% confirmed that she's civ. I often point out a possibility, even when small, that no one has considered.
Spacedaisy wrote:Fair enough, I'm moving my vote to Scotty. Just because I can for the moment. I'll try and evaluate tomorrow and see where I want to put my vote. I'm moving it off Lorab because of my god awful gut reads so far.

So LoRab is saying essentially: 'I was just pointing out the possibility that silver is civ' after you said "I get that possibility is out there" and it sways you enough that you take the vote off her, putting it on me just because?

ok.

That's basically confirmation bias.

LoRab wrote:
ika wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Why are you speculating in the thread about who has a civilian role?
sometimes i get board and like to try to figure peoples roles
Figuring out people's roles is a good thing. Even if you aren't bored. But posting your speculations in the thread can only help the baddies. meh. if the baddies are good at all, they will be using some sort of deduction with their own info anyway. I think that speculation isn't the worst thing out there.

Scotty wrote: LoRab: looks bad. I didn't remember anything she has said so I ISO'd her. Not a lot of anything there. Half her posts are just nostalgic posts of the past or asking questions. The other parts:
Day 1, she laments that she doesn't see the case on Dom or DFaraday because they're both playing typically. She votes BWT with the crowd because...he made an inconsistent point, and that was unlike him. Then, shying away from all the bandwagons 24 hours later, does a meaningless vote for Wilgy because he is posting in normal Albeit strange Wilgy manner- also demanding he post normally.
She has played with Wilgy before and knows he has some quirky posting style every game. For someone that doesn't suspect certain people for posting similar to their meta, this is a surprising vote.
Day 2, she misses the vote, and comes back recently saying she doesn't know how she would have voted. Offers the same excuse: "I need to reread" the case on DFaraday. She accepts Epi's suspicion for being quiet, and says that her game has been unusually quiet so far.
Her excuses make her seem worse for wear. Even admitting recently that her game has changed recently.
I think LoRab could very well be bad, and would like to follow this suspicion further.
I may "look bad" to you, but I'm not bad. And, yes, there has been a bit of nostalgia--Illy is one of my closest mafia friends and I haven't played a game with her in years--I'm enjoying having her back in the game, bantering about old times, and having her here has brought back some mafia memories. And, I've been travelling, so my schedule has been off and I haven't had a ton of time to play. Theres nothing wrong with being nostalgic. My commentary is not necessarily jumping on you because you're catching up with an old pal, but because that had comprised half of your content.

And I don't think Wilgy is being the same as in every game--and it was a day 1 vote, I voted on what I had in the thread. I actually continue to have some suspicion of Wilgy--especially since he never commented on my vote or reason for it (unless I missed a response, in which case someone please point me to it). Well if it's just a Day 1 vote, why should Wilgy have a need to comment on it at all?We'll just have to disagree on the perspective of Wilgy's gameplay, because this is the same cryptic, eccentric Wilgy that I've seen in past games. Maybe I'm viewing him through rose-tinted glasses and that's why I assumed your voting him was hypocritical. I'll give you that.

And, truly, I have not had time to reread anyone--again, travelling, not a lot of time for mafia. I'm not sure what you mean by the last paragraph--I've been quieter than usual because of travel--not the first time that's happened. Not even the first time in recent games. I don't see how being quieter has anything to do with my seeming suspicious. And I did not sy my game has changed recently, just that it's changed since I last played with Illy, in response to her post commenting that I'm not as talkative as I used to be. When Illy and I used to play together, I'd regularly be among the top posters--I once discovered that LP had a character limit on posts and ended up making a post that was 3 posts long because of it. That's not how I play any more--given that Illy is using meta and my rate and style of posting is not what it was then, I wanted to point that out. Being quieter is always inherently suspicious to me, and you drawing attention to your change in playstyle caught my eye. It may be me just seeing what I want to see, or it may be that you wanted to setup your lack of posting as a precedent so that those who know you as a free-posting civ don't get the wrong ideas. We all have time constraints. Not judging you for lack of posting due to travel. I know all about that. I'm just more concerned with the way you put it out there looks to me like a crutch of sorts

I can't help but think that you're twisting the facts in order to get a case against me. Or, even after I've been around here for a while now, you still think that my game play is inherently suspicious and haven't learned how to read me. Reading has never been my strong suit. I'm more into drawing.
In regards to twisting facts: most of this is my opinion anyway, so which facts am I twisting?

Epignosis wrote:Toss Lorab in that second list.
In a shocking plot twist that no one saw coming, Epig suspects LoRab. Otherwise known as a game in which we are both playing.

Epignosis wrote:Lorab may end up with my vote.

LoRab wrote:
ika wrote:hey sig would it be too far fetched that epi is the silencer?
Why are you speculating in the thread about who has a civilian role?
Why is that worth giving someone the eye?

Why didn't you give Polo the eye?

Polo wrote:I believe you are Mr. Carson, Epignosis.
This guy basically called me an old, overweight servant who is married in real life to Dolores Umbridge.
I always find suspicious someone who actively helps the baddies in the thread. It's something that has always pinged my suspiciometer. It's not in the best interest of the civs and it makes me doubt the player's intentions.

And I must have missed noticing the Polo post. I've been catching up in spurts and sometimes in skimming miss a detail here and there.

Spacedaisy wrote:Now Lorab I am up in the air about. I am a little surprised that when Silver was killed, Lorab immediately went to trying to downplay the idea she is likely civ because of Carson. I get that possibility is out there, but why is it so important to you that Silver is not trusted? She barely made any reads at all? Or were we too close for comfort to a teammate who might be linked to her death?
I wasn't trying to downplay anything, and I never disputed that she was likely civ--I merely pointed out the possibility that it is not 100% confirmed that she's civ. I often point out a possibility, even when small, that no one has considered.

sig wrote:
sig wrote:I see three scenarios here.

1. Ika is mafia and killed Silver before she could get a strong read on him.
2. Someone killed Silver to frame Ika, this points to an experienced mafia member.
3. Silver mainly talked about DF, Epi, and LC around the time of her death and EOD. One of them is mafia and killed her.
I'm requoting this, the more I think about the more likely it is to be true, plus I think all three would think that Ika could be framed for Silver's death. I'll do the leg work for it over the phase, I'm just throwing out some thoughts right now.

Yes, I thought about this, and I'm actually surprised ika hasn't talked about this point more. If I recall, he and silver like to feast on NK analytics. Though some people, like (arbitrarily) baddie DFaraday has admitted to preferring to kill people that support him or aren't involved with him one way or another to throw people off the trail. This wouldn't seem like a baddie DFaraday move.
I could be behind LC though.

i wish not to believe that ika is bad because a) that would undermine the role that takes people off the poll and b) he is acting vastly different than his last baddie game. Too much WIFOM in the argument that he killed his wolf partner.

ika wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:With no message from Lady Edith, that means Edith was blocked, could not muster the inspiration to write a solitary word, or the poor girl is dead somewhere in the English wilderness, her body probably consumed by wolves of silver.
I doubt Edith was blocked, I think it's more likely that she missed sending in her PM. The killer could have been blocked as well, instead of a successful protection.
which would imply thats black rock based on her not being around no?

Thing is, I find garnering evidence from the timing of player's posting to be generally a red herring and can't trust it. I know that when I have night powers, I often send in things towards the end of the cycle, even though I may be posting all day.
Inversely, the act of not posting does not mean a Mafia member has gone fishing. So I can't indict BR from being a role not seen in action today exclusively from her absence from the thread

Ika what do you think of:
Dom
Daisy
DFaraday
Dip n' dots

ika wrote:
Scotty wrote:
ika wrote:so im removed from lycnh todday and doc pulled off a save.

nice

scotty i seocnd that why lorab why not dom or daisy or something like that i need to read your lsit again
Well you read my list then and get back to me why you think those 2 deserve more of a
i read it and understand now

did you defar read change at all

I can't wrap my head around what you are asking here.
Did my reads change between 6 hours ago and now? No.

ika wrote:so im removed from lycnh todday and doc pulled off a save.

nice

scotty i seocnd that why lorab why not dom or daisy or something like that i need to read your lsit again

Well you read my list then and get back to me why you think those 2 deserve more of a

Dom wrote:
Scotty wrote:For now, placing a vote on LoRab.

I'll be looking to her, MM, Dom and several others this phase.
why

because

For now, placing a vote on LoRab.

I'll be looking to her, MM, Dom and several others this phase.

yippee! Now to see who is silenced and insanified, if any.

Hokay. I'm not gonna rainbow list, but I will list thoughts I have for every person. Nothing super long.

Black Rock: null read for me. Epi's back and forth with her regarding LC didn't ping me either way and for some reason, Lady Edith trusts her. Would like to hear more from Lady Edith in why we should leave BR alone

DFaraday: suspicious only because he garnered so many detractors but I think his detractors had the most hollow of points in suspecting him. I still don't see the arguments against him, and would like to believe that statistically he didn't roll 3 Mafia roles in a row.

Dom: is still a suspect to me. I don't know what constitutes "bad Dom" but I do remember him being slightly antagonistic when he was bad in Arkham. He's not quite to that level right now, but he has a pattern this game of asking people if they are bad, and not following up on it. Aka lots of stoking the fires but not putting any logs on.
His vote for Illy yesterday does nothing to sway my mind.

DrWilgy: I have good vibes from him, though it's very hard to read his diary entries or actions thus far as indicative of his alignment.

Epignosis: I have Epi as slightly civ right now, primarily because he was removed from the poll Day 2. This is a strong statement and I went into the day thinking he looked most fishy for his voting for an outlier day 1. But he has appeared to offer something of substance as a civ so far, so I'm doubling back on my original suspicion.

Illyria: it's a toss up. I see that most of her writing hasn't been brought with substance, but she could just need to get her bearings after being away for so long. Someone brought up that she had been asking questions in thread a bit too much. I don't know her playstyle, but on the surface she seems like she could be posing. I mean that not as Audrey Hepburn, but as Milli Vanilli. Ya dig?

Ika: ika Is acting different than his last game where he was bad. I think he is thinking along linear tracks that makes sense. No reason to suspect him right now.

Long Con: slight pings here and there, but nothing overwhelming. He suspects me for buddying him and for a few other things, which I guess makes sense. I agreed with his assumptions day 1, but day 2 he grew weary and has been a little slipperier.

LoRab: looks bad. I didn't remember anything she has said so I ISO'd her. Not a lot of anything there. Half her posts are just nostalgic posts of the past or asking questions. The other parts:
Day 1, she laments that she doesn't see the case on Dom or DFaraday because they're both playing typically. She votes BWT with the crowd because...he made an inconsistent point, and that was unlike him. Then, shying away from all the bandwagons 24 hours later, does a meaningless vote for Wilgy because he is posting in normal Albeit strange Wilgy manner- also demanding he post normally.
She has played with Wilgy before and knows he has some quirky posting style every game. For someone that doesn't suspect certain people for posting similar to their meta, this is a surprising vote.
Day 2, she misses the vote, and comes back recently saying she doesn't know how she would have voted. Offers the same excuse: "I need to reread" the case on DFaraday. She accepts Epi's suspicion for being quiet, and says that her game has been unusually quiet so far.
Her excuses make her seem worse for wear. Even admitting recently that her game has changed recently.
I think LoRab could very well be bad, and would like to follow this suspicion further.

Matt: I'm feeling better about Matt. I probably would have taken my vote off him towards the end since he actually started to catch up and post thoughts lol

MetalMarsh: ehhh this guy is my top 3 suspects. We have voted similarly but I think his votes are disengenuous. His comments seem....hmm, off? Somehow? Than normal bantery MM. Like he's trying to appear civ.

Nero: null read. I go from civ to bad. It's not that he's pinging me, but that he's not saying anything that is making me feel he is civ.

Polo: he's a newb and I lean civ right now. Epi trusts him.

Sig: I like his posts and am reading him as civ. Which, as he has said, if he appears civ then he is probably bad. So...

Sorsha: she's taken a pretty aggressive stance this game. Not sure what that says about her alignment. Null read

Space daisy: don't have time to ISO her now, but I haven't really had a great read from her. I'm leeeeaaaaning bad but she has said some stuff (from tone) that reads civ.

Llama: I don't like llama coming out brazenly and latching onto a Nero lynch, not expanding on it, and then changing to Bubbles at the end. Could he really have something on Nero and want to stave it off until a time he can really peg him, and ultimately just jumped on a suspicion of someone else? Llama is a null leaaaaaaning civ read for me.

ika wrote:
Scotty wrote:
ika wrote:
Scotty wrote:Well. That sucked.

Will be back later tomorrow. My reads are still messed up and this recent turn did nothing to help me. I'm as blind as a bat in a hail storm. Meaning I'm still blind, but I'm also in a hail storm.
also i wantedd to yell a bucnh at you, keep on track with silvers reads and push those
Ok, dad
well we both though youn were obvious town on day 1 and to see you kinda waffle around wanted me to go "SCOTTY FOCUS"

how about this: do you have a color list that you could make off top of head

In the middle of a show but will maaaaybe do one tomorrow when traveling. I've never done a rainbow list- never believed in 'em. But I'll probably comb through my original suspicions and see if I can make anything of them.

ika wrote:
Scotty wrote:Well. That sucked.

Will be back later tomorrow. My reads are still messed up and this recent turn did nothing to help me. I'm as blind as a bat in a hail storm. Meaning I'm still blind, but I'm also in a hail storm.
also i wantedd to yell a bucnh at you, keep on track with silvers reads and push those

Ok, dad

Well. That sucked.

Will be back later tomorrow. My reads are still messed up and this recent turn did nothing to help me. I'm as blind as a bat in a hail storm. Meaning I'm still blind, but I'm also in a hail storm.

You know who hasn't been around on the later half of this day? MM.

Is he still set on Matt? did he cocoon himself away to evolve from marmot to man?

Epignosis wrote:
Scotty wrote:That bubbles replacement does seem...coincidentally timed with these votes rolling in for her. I must admit. But at least she's showin up. That's why I'm voting Matt.

Matt has given at least 3 excuses of catching up but has not done so. One he even gives a time frame.
Look, if you don't have time, say you don't have time. But making hollow promises and then disappearing doesn't look good in any capacity.

Long Con wrote:
Scotty wrote:I guess what I'm tryin to say is: Metalmarsh

I could very well see a Dom or DFaraday/MM pairing. A teammate trying to save one of the big trains by attaching to another. A day 1 marmot lynch wouldn't be so bad, would it?
Scotty, where are you on this idea today?

I agree with Llama, I doubt Matt is the baddie we are looking for. I am looking over Scotty's posts right now to see if I can shore up my buddying suspicion, but I'm not seeing much there. Either he's playing a very careful game, or he's not bad. Either way, obviously a Scotty lynch isn't in the cards today, so I'll switch to DFaraday.
I think this could definitely be a possibility still. If Matt comes back and says a few words that don't have the words "catch" and "up" in tandem, I'll look further. But right now I can't see beyond my big ass nose.
Elaborate on the enlarged, dear Scotty, s'il vous plaît.

I don't speak Spanish, Epi. Only Queen's Englishe

Matt wrote:I see I have four votes, and I'm soooo sorry Scotty but currently I'm catching up so I might get a thought or two out there before lynch ends today.

Currently on page 5, and Illy, Sorsha, and Ika are bothering me somewhat, but I can't pinpoint it. Illy, tho, in her first few posts, said something like "went back and read the rules and so here's my childhood memory" and I feel like since she felt like she had to explain why she was posting her childhood memory so late, maybe there's something fishy there. Hmmm.

As for my memory, btw, ummmm, playing Tripoli with Grandma Dyar during summer visits to Illinois. Totes awesome.

Anyway, off to read some more...serious peeps, take your vote off me for realz

You've given me no reasons yet to take the vote off of you. Keep...doing the opposite of staying away

That bubbles replacement does seem...coincidentally timed with these votes rolling in for her. I must admit. But at least she's showin up. That's why I'm voting Matt.

Matt has given at least 3 excuses of catching up but has not done so. One he even gives a time frame.
Look, if you don't have time, say you don't have time. But making hollow promises and then disappearing doesn't look good in any capacity.

Long Con wrote:
Scotty wrote:I guess what I'm tryin to say is: Metalmarsh

I could very well see a Dom or DFaraday/MM pairing. A teammate trying to save one of the big trains by attaching to another. A day 1 marmot lynch wouldn't be so bad, would it?
Scotty, where are you on this idea today?

I agree with Llama, I doubt Matt is the baddie we are looking for. I am looking over Scotty's posts right now to see if I can shore up my buddying suspicion, but I'm not seeing much there. Either he's playing a very careful game, or he's not bad. Either way, obviously a Scotty lynch isn't in the cards today, so I'll switch to DFaraday.

I think this could definitely be a possibility still. If Matt comes back and says a few words that don't have the words "catch" and "up" in tandem, I'll look further. But right now I can't see beyond my big ass nose.

DFaraday wrote:
sig wrote:I won't be around much tomorrow, but will hopefully be around at EOD. If not I'll be voting now.

I still believe there is a good chance DF is mafia. Last game in which I suspected him and didn't follow through he did end up flipping mafia. So I'll be voting for him today.

Lynch DFaraday
Bubbles wrote:im here! i voted dfaraday cause i'm following sig's lead
not because i have any affiliation with sig
but he's the last person to vote and there is no way i can catch up right now, at work
i hope i am not wrong
Both of these votes are terrible and make no sense.

I'm actually with you on this one. We've got "he was mafia last game" and "i'm just copying the last person I saw when I logged in"

Woof. I feel better about DFaraday right now, also considering that he has been mafia twice in a row. Lightning doesn't strike thrice, does it?

Bubbles wrote:im here! i voted dfaraday cause i'm following sig's lead
not because i have any affiliation with sig
but he's the last person to vote and there is no way i can catch up right now, at work
i hope i am not wrong

I saw this pleasant looking parking cone on the side of the road while I was walking down main street today and I was feeling desperate for attention so I took it and now we're married.

DrWilgy wrote:*Polo cries out to the wind*
Dr. Wilgy, are you going to insist on lurking?
*A whisper can be heard*
Yes...

Yes I am...

My phone died and my means of playing and keeping up with the chat are limited...

Scotty, I think you are civ... who should I look at and in what order...

Anyway, I think you should look at the players in the poll, and start with a player and go in any order you wish, doc

I'm actually curious who you find most fishy right now.

Scotty wrote:
Matt wrote:Rip Silver.

I'll be catching up sometime in the next 24 hours or so.
This was almost 27 hours ago. His last post. Just putting that out there.

i think i found what Matt needs

Matt wrote:Rip Silver.

I'll be catching up sometime in the next 24 hours or so.

This was almost 27 hours ago. His last post. Just putting that out there.

Illyria wrote:
Polo wrote:Voting for the absentees (or those who aren't posting much) is something I can get along with.
While I do not mind that as a Day One strategy, I would like to see how this day shakes out before we go there.

WOW. Several out of the gate votes, that feels so strange to me. Is this normal now?

Well on games with changeable votes, I see no problem with votes right out the gate. When I first started here, all games seemed to be one vote final per day.

DrWilgy wrote:*Polo cries out to the wind*
Dr. Wilgy, are you going to insist on lurking?
*A whisper can be heard*
Yes...

Yes I am...

My phone died and my means of playing and keeping up with the chat are limited...

Scotty, I think you are civ... who should I look at and in what order...

Why do you think I'm civ, Doctor?

Polo wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Polo wrote:I believe you are Mr. Carson, Epignosis.

Call me ingenious for thinking this but he was removed from the lynch poll today, and the only person who can do that is Mrs. Hughes, who has BTSC with Carson.

I think it would be too risky for them to agree to remove someone else from the lynch poll without enough info on their hands; they could end up protecting a mafioso and making stuff worse for us civs.

If they did this- which I have been thinking and why I don't think Epi is bad right now- then Mafia knows who is an easier person to kill tonight

Ok. If Matt never comes back I'm keeping my vote on him.

If not, I'll humor the Nero vote.

Polo wrote:I believe you are Mr. Carson, Epignosis.

There are a few possibilities I can see for llama voting Nero without justification:

-llama is actually a pretty Lady named Sybil and saw someone do something naughty to someone else. Like kill Silver. This would be a snipe in the dark on night 1 on a player that didn't have a huge presence, so while it's possible, it's unlikely.
-llama is Isobel Crowley and found Nero to have BTSC. This is more likely to land someone with BTSC but there should be a cause for pause, since there are civ factions too. I would think llama to be a little more sneaky if this were the case, since he can't be sure Nero is bad then.
-llama is Mr. Carson, and redirected Nero's action to silver. This can be likely, though why he would pick Nero to switch to a mostly believable townie in silver I couldn't tell you. This would mean that his BTSC partner would know as well, and so far llama has been met with trepidation concerning support of Llama's pick.
-llama has been blackmailed by Thomas Barrow. This one raises questions because I'm not sure what blackmailing entails. If it's a frame job, llama made his choice pretty blatant. But I dunno. Could be a likely possibility.
-llama is Mafia and/or Sarah obrien, and wants to eliminate a useful civ role.
-llama is a wild animal and has no rhyme or reason for acting the way he is acting regarding the vote.

I think there are too inconclusive to follow

thellama73 wrote:
DFaraday wrote: I'm voting Matt for now because literally every post he's had this game is about how he's behind and needs to catch up.
This is true, and upsetting, and I kind of want to vote for him too, but I can't see a baddie intentionally adopting it as a strategy. Do you think his failure to catch up is indicative of alignment, or is this just a protest vote to try to get him to pay attention?

I have no idea what to think of Matt's baddie game. When we were bad on Lost Again together, he was loud and boisterous early and then stuck trying to bus a teammate early. This he said was a mistake and that he lost us the game because of it, so who knows what other strategies he has come up with since.

In this instance, Matt has waddled around dragging behind a deflated balloon full of promise.

Don't be a sad clown, Matt. Be the prince that was promised.

Nerolunar wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Nerolunar wrote: I assume Mcgonnamakeyouvoteacertainwaygal made you do it.
You know what they say about when you assume.
I don´t actually. I can´t see any other way.

You could come forward and tell me instead. I can only assume since you insist on keeping your mouth shut about it.

He's saying it makes an ass out of u and him.

Llama's an alpaca, not a donkey.
Though sometimes he can be a complete ass.

sig wrote:I see three scenarios here.

1. Ika is mafia and killed Silver before she could get a strong read on him.
2. Someone killed Silver to frame Ika, this points to an experienced mafia member.
3. Silver mainly talked about DF, Epi, and LC around the time of her death and EOD. One of them is mafia and killed her.

Sig you're not acting as scummy as I usually remember you acting. Should I be worried?
Wasn't it you that said if you're not looking scummy, then you're probably bad?

@HOST
does a NK'd player's night actions still follow through into the next day?
For instance, could silver have silenced ika today?

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm taking the advice of a party that is not a killer. That is a reasonable thing to do.
You're taking Edith's advice for not suspecting Black Rock but you have reasons other than Edith for suspecting Long Con?
Have you caught up yet?
No U.

I'm going to put a vote on Scotty to start my Day. I just feel like he's buddying me too much for my comfort. I would usually say that I'm paranoid here, but last time I felt this way I said it and I said I was paranoid and I was RIGHT, so here's a couple of examples:

Scotty wrote:I do believe that Prim and Proper Long Con and I are on the same page on the matter

Scotty wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Well, I'm one of those rare sorts that actually listens to messengers who say something useful.

Edith didn't say anything about Long Con, however.
Wait so you're taking the advice of a party that knows nothing but gut read? Or are you implying that you think Black Rock is Edith?

Either way, that's a quick turn around for someone that has been clinging to petty votes thus far.

Epi
And there's a couple of other areas where it was "Scotty and LC!" in the same situation or whatever. It just pings me a little.

I see you haven't bubbled in my name on that nifty poll up there, which is perfectly fine with me, ole buddy ole chap! Let's do tea in the back parlour some time! I'll show you my knife collection.

Polo wrote:Not knowing what was Silverwolf's role makes organizing my spreadsheet a lot more difficult.

You'll find that roles are not commonly revealed from night kills on this site unless explicitly stated

Polo wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Polo wrote:Voting for the absentees (or those who aren't posting much) is something I can get along with.
Is that where you think the baddies lie?

Do you not think that one or even a few of the most talkative people could be steering the thread?
That is what we did on EST Mafia, and we won.

Also, killing someone who barely posts does not ruin the fun of arguing in thread

I share your philosophy of dumping dead weight as we go along, but that doesn't always mean they are bad.

In your last game, you voted me off day 1 (thanks for that) for being different, and the other Mafia (Tito) happened to be inactive. Things don't always go that smoothly, and not everyone is bad that is a low poster. Look at poor Bubbles, who is usually a low poster and good but is often mislynched because of it.

I'm just advising to be wary of heavy posters too. More posts = / = town.

Polo wrote:Voting for the absentees (or those who aren't posting much) is something I can get along with.

Is that where you think the baddies lie?

Do you not think that one or even a few of the most talkative people could be steering the thread?

thellama73 wrote:
Matt wrote:Rip Silver.

I'll be catching up sometime in the next 24 hours or so.
Really?

I'm voting for Nerolunar right now, without explanation.

Hmm...what are you implying here? Purely speculation, but you're obviously not being forced because that was BWT's role.
Would you recommend other people voting him today? When you decide to get that crumpet out of your mouth, let us know whatcha thinkin

Matt wrote:Oh man, I'm gonna get shit for this, but I still haven't caught up. Randomed between Bwt, DF, and Dom, and got Bwt. Sorry, even if you are bad Bwt

I don't like how you are handling yourself this game. Hollow promises to catch up (x3), not catching up, and "random" voting between the 3 trains. This doesn't spell confidence, Matt.

Matt.

I hope Mrs. Hughes knows what she is doing. Because if so, that makes me feel better about Epi for the time being.

OKAY well I didn't check the poll before writing hat. Epi is off the poll today.

How convenient.

Epignosis wrote:Well, I'm one of those rare sorts that actually listens to messengers who say something useful.

Edith didn't say anything about Long Con, however.

Wait so you're taking the advice of a party that knows nothing but gut read? Or are you implying that you think Black Rock is Edith?

Either way, that's a quick turn around for someone that has been clinging to petty votes thus far.

Epi

Epignosis wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Neither Flash nor Monopoly were Mafia games.
Kind of dickish to say, but ok, then I don't remember the last time we were bad together.
Monopoly was more "Last Team Standing" with token Mafias. Flash was not an informed minority versus an uninformed majority, which is the heart of Mafia.

Long Con wrote:
Epignosis wrote:"Mudslinging." Tell me what that means.
Mudslinging. Mud, in this context, is a substance that makes one look bad on the surface, just as mud does to your clothes. When you sling mud, you say things that are designed to make someone look bad on the surface, but does little real caring about the truth of the matter. In your case, saying that Black Rock casting a vote for me is suspicious as distancing despite our history not supporting that, and suggesting for all that we're being smart baddies and intentionally subverting our game and our meta. Because that's bullshit, it's mudslinging. I don't even think you believe it.
You can use whatever verbs you want to describe what I'm doing, but I believe what I believe. My job is to figure out why people voted the way they voted. Black Rock voted for you late in the Day when you had almost no chance of being lynched. When I asked her if she was okay lynching you, she said she couldn't answer the question. Then she voted me, suggesting that I was trying to save a teammate, which suggests in turn that her suspicion of you wasn't genuine. I think she expected to slip in and vote quietly for you and move on without incident. And she was gravely mistaken.

Regarding history, If it were that easy- to determine who, by their history, is being bad- then we can wrap this up and all go back to shooting grouse. But it isn't that easy, and you know it. That you allude to a history you yourself admit to not remembering is not helping you. That you allude to history at all, which can be easily subverted, wouldn't help you anyway.

Who do you think actually won the American Revolutionary War, if you argue that history is easily subverted?

Hell, I invented the coffee maker! Just don't expect history books to tell you about it!

Sorsha wrote:Sorry I missed the vote. I was sleeping, bad poll end time for me

Yet you had plenty of discussion over bwt and DFaraday just earlier in the day. You know votes are changeable, right? I'm very surprised people miss votes- especially in a 48 hour phase- when votes can be moved around at will.

Epignosis wrote:I want to lynch Black Rock tomorrow. Who is with me in this endeavor?

Nay, said the Walrus.

Long Con wrote:
"Mudslinging." Tell me what that means.
Mudslinging. Mud, in this context, is a substance that makes one look bad on the surface, just as mud does to your clothes. When you sling mud, you say things that are designed to make someone look bad on the surface, but does little real caring about the truth of the matter. In your case, saying that Black Rock casting a vote for me is suspicious as distancing despite our history not supporting that, and suggesting for all that we're being smart baddies and intentionally subverting our game and our meta. Because that's bullshit, it's mudslinging. I don't even think you believe it.

I do believe that Prim and Proper Long Con and I are on the same page on the matter

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