The Syndicate

You better not make a John Locke out of me. I ain’t no John Locke

Ben Linus wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:52 pm Who wants to be the new protect of the island?

Me

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:45 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:21 pm Scotty can you include these in your next update of the pertinent information? I searched for these for an embarrassingly long time and couldn't find them because I was looking for the bright red header and they weren't used on these.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:44 am
Speedchuck's role and affiliation has been revealed. He is:

You are TOWN. You will win if all anti-town factions are eliminated.

You are 59: The Moon (Elemental). Each night, you will PM one element to the hosts (Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust) and one player to be targeted for any effect the element may have. If the Sun is in the game, they will also choose one element out of Light, Darkness, Gas or Dust. When you and the Sun are both in the game, your element choices will combine to form one effect. Each combined effect may only be triggered once. The Sun's target will get the benefit of any positive effect, while your target will suffer any negative effect. You may not choose the same element or the same target on consecutive days. You will not be informed of the effects of your elements.
He is still alive. Carry on.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 9:46 pm
Nijuukyugou's role and affiliation has been revealed. She is:

You are TOWN. You will win if all anti-town factions are eliminated.

You are 5: The Gunslinger (All Fall Down). Once, during a day phase, you may kill a player (by sending a PM to the hosts).
She is still alive. Carry on.

SVS, I'm sorry to go back to a question I've asked multiple times but I wanted to be sure I understood you, you think Speedchuck was bad but looked good both here and in his second lynch because of nutella and LC together? I'm finding this whole fake flip thing confusing and trying to sort through it. Do you right now believe Speedchuck was good and his last lynch flip was authentic or do you think he was bad and his lynch flip was faked to show him as a civ? I know this seems like something that is unimportant since he is dead now, but I'm looking things over and it could actually be pretty relevant for what I am looking at.

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] Yes, on the condition that you don’t lynch me today kthnx

Since the hosts have said it would be a bad idea to ignore Ben for some reason (mouthpiece of Jacob my ass)

Top 5 greatest hits:
5: Spilling red wine on Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon
4: Running from the cops and escaping through the woods with my friend
3: Making a “bomb threat” in school and only getting in-school suspension
2: Forgetting my entrance while performing in a show for a good 20 seconds while my cast mates improvised
1: Meeting and performing with the love of my life on stage

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:32 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:22 am Why would him being s big change your opinion?
It’s not the size of the man, it’s his actions that define him

Sorry, couldn’t resist.

If he’s vig then I’d figure that’s a pretty civ role

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:22 am Why would him being s big change your opinion?

It’s not the size of the man, it’s his actions that define him

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:01 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:40 am Am I just plain wrong with my Sloonei case? Why or why not? Oh, and for those viewers at home that can’t separate the person stating the case from the case itself, go ahead and go grab some cheese puffs and stare at the birds outside for a while to refresh your mind
It hasn’t merit, it definitely got me to reconsider my stance burn in the end it sounded somewhere between almost perfectly placed and paranoia

When’s it came down to it you were asking is “didn’t Sloonei buss his teammates for town cred?”

To which there’s no way we can really confirm especially since he’s been playing pretty town in my opinion

Well no, I didn’t say that at all. I don’t think Sloonei bussed his teammates because I wasn’t making an argument that Sloonei is Strex. I think he has had a terrific track record in destroying Strex, and is using that as civ cred. There is no reason to believe he *isn’t* an Even.

If he is a vig, tho...then I’d feel like reconsidering. I’m not sold on that tho

unvote. Vote LoRab aubergine

Because why not?

Am I just plain wrong with my Sloonei case? Why or why not? Oh, and for those viewers at home that can’t separate the person stating the case from the case itself, go ahead and go grab some cheese puffs and stare at the birds outside for a while to refresh your mind

People I’m making my mind up on:

I BELIEVE ARE CIV—
Nijuu
Epi
Dom
SpaceDaisy
Quin
SVS

I BELIEVE COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT LEANING CIV-
Boomslang

IDK-
cbob
DDL
sprityo

I BELIEVE COULD GO EITHER WAY, BUT LEANING BAD-
Sloonei
Kyle

I BELIEVE TO BE BAD-
INH
LoRab

If I could move my IDK’s out of that category, then my POE will be so much clearer.

I’m comfortable with where we at, fam. Lookin good in either case, even if y’all (SD, Quin, SVS) mislynch me.

Yeah I’m under the impression that haiku’ing someone is the equivalent of giving CPR: you’ll save them, but at the cost of a few broken ribs and having to make out with a frog

So yeah, I view Epi as civ, sure.

And if people want to lynch LoRab now, Day 2 me is just thrilled inside.

Hear that Sloonei? Other people think she could be bad now!

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 6:31 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 5:06 am I'm not sure. To be honest I don't believe we'll be punished for ignoring Ben, but I don't want to cross you if you're worried about it. That takes Sloonei and DDL off the table. I'm a bit bored with the argument I made against Scotty. I know SVS is keen for that lynch to go down so I'd like her tell me what she's thinking, though I'm pretty sure it's already in her posts.

Of your list, I wouldn't want an INH lynch. I could be swayed to vote Kyle or LoRab. I don't have the time to read into all these people and I'll miss EoD so if a summary or case is thrown at me before tomorrow morning I'd appreciate it. If not I'll just sheep your vote.

So pretty much I'll follow you up with a vote of Scotty, Kyle or LoRab.
I do think he is bad, I suspected him on gut reading his posts, I felt he drove the sig counter-LC wagon, I also think by POE he is a good candidate for Strex. Plus that Wilgy vote business read totally bad to me, which would be another Strex tie in. This game is just beginning to feel like Mass Effect for me. I spent that whole game screaming that a person was bad (whose bad team won the game), and pretty much being ignored. That's cool; I only have 2 modes, "screaming" and "detached" so I am just switching modes.

And when Daisy says "4 baddies on one team" I think she means *original* baddies. I don't think there were more than 3 Original baddies per team.

And re Kyle, he is acting as if he is haikued:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:49 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:28 pmKylemii - Kylemii had nothing to say about nutella or Long Con in Pikachu. sprityo was killed on Night 8, an even Night in which Kylemii was present in Pikachu.
long con was long dead,
nut was dead before I was-
able to bite down

I know exactly how you feel, SVS. I’m feeling more and more detached as the game drags on and no one really validates my cases. And I’ve made a multitude of cases- LoRab, INH, Wilgy, Sloonei, etc that I’m beginning to think I’m just wrong about all of them. Some look at them as ingenuine and/or mudslinging, but I think that’s because they’re just not seeing things from my point of view- I feel like I’m right, and I want to be right, so it makes it that much harder.

You’re wrong about me, but I feel like we at least share this feeling.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:30 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:33 pm Vig, wait you just built a case on him but you think he is a civ vig?
@Scotty pls respond

hi

Sure, he could be.

I’m still voting for him because I have no way of knowing and it’s not as relevant to why I think he’s mafia

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:30 pm One day I want to get a full player list according to scotty's autocorrect.

You be sweet, garden

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:16 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:02 pm But... Nutella died in the middle of Day 8? cbob was lynched on Day 6, so that would mean Nutella had all of Day 7 to try and defuse the bomb. If she failed why wouldn't she have been blown up at the end of Day 7, or even in the N7 post? Instead her death was announced in the middle of Day 8, in the same way all the other mysterious day death's have occurred. I am leaning towards this not being a result of cbob, but I could be wrong here I guess. Thoughts?
Right now xbox and nijuu are the only known roles that could kill. How they kill, how many shots, how they targeted, when they kill, there’s a lot of variables there. I would expect an diametrically opposite role of nijuu’s out there somewhere

Xbox is cbob.

I neglected to talk about Wilgy and sig in there, but sig’s role died before the deaths happened (THOUGH INH did die before then, so maybe that’s another one that could have killed INH, leaving nijuu to shoot LoRab).

Still doesn’t explain nutella, because as far as I know, she wasn’t marked for death with Wilgy’s 1st role

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:02 pm But... Nutella died in the middle of Day 8? cbob was lynched on Day 6, so that would mean Nutella had all of Day 7 to try and defuse the bomb. If she failed why wouldn't she have been blown up at the end of Day 7, or even in the N7 post? Instead her death was announced in the middle of Day 8, in the same way all the other mysterious day death's have occurred. I am leaning towards this not being a result of cbob, but I could be wrong here I guess. Thoughts?

Right now xbox and nijuu are the only known roles that could kill. How they kill, how many shots, how they targeted, when they kill, there’s a lot of variables there. I would expect an diametrically opposite role of nijuu’s out there somewhere

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:36 pm And if he killed nutella, then he can't be an Even...

That’s true. Unless the role isn’t a vig exactly. Like how sig only had a 33% chance to kill.

There’s just not a lot of info to know for sure until the role is revealed tho

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:10 pm Can I bring up something I have been wondering about? We know Blooper had a 1 shot kill, but we have seen 3 day kills. Blooper was not in pikachu so who do we think killed nutella?

I’m betting it’s either you or Sloonei.

I think Sloonei has a potential to be a vig for sure.

INH/Marmot Interactions:

Day 5-

Marmot wrote:Hey everyone, sorry for the absence. I'm heading out of town for the weekend, so I've been getting ahead on work and other things.

Putting a vote on inh now, because frankly I shouldn't be lynched.

INH wrote:Turnabout is fair play.

Marmot aubergine

aaaaand that's it.

Let's put this in context. On Day 4, INH made a fancy rainbow list:

Screw it, I'll make my own super-cool rainbow list. What it lacks in visual flair, it makes up for in readability.

JoH
Marmot
Ninja
Boomslang
Sloonei
Lorab
DrWilgy
Kylemii
Scotty
Sig
Spacedaisy

Marmot was solid green, even though INH hadn't mentioned him at all.

When he voted for Marmot, he and Marmot were the only ones with votes. I think it was 2-2 each before INH put it on Marmot.

So this is all speculation, because they basically avoided each other except when they were trying to save themselves. Halfheartedly, mind you, because Day 5 is also the day that INH pushed a thought-out case against sig. Again, the timing of this could have just been because he had heat, but it could also be a reason to move his vote toward sig and away from Marmot entirely. A two-pronged reason.

I see definite possibility of a teamship

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:42 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 2:37 pm I'm also down to lynch INH if no one agrees with me on Sloonei
Which team is he on and what is the evidence?

strex. I laid out a case yesterday. Which got overshadowed by the fact that people wanted to lynch me instead.

I'm also down to lynch INH if no one agrees with me on Sloonei

lol watch Epi be the Even that killed sprityo and fool us all.

I don't think so tho

I promised to look into DDL today. I hope to, knowing he's got a shitton of posts in Pikachu. Quin, I saw you were prodding him. Anything in particular I should look for in my read or any cases you've already made?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:43 pm Based on what I have seen so far, my opinion on this game is that it's imbalanced in town's favor, and the main reason for that is that mafia's number of available night kills is very low.

Not killing people on purpose? That's suicidal. A mafia team that does that will get POE'd into oblivion.

ok then, so are you under the assumption that N10 was quiet on account of inactivity or something else entirely?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:18 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:54 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:52 pm Which mafia team isn't paying attention? I don't hate your suggestion though. The only suspects I've promoted have been DDL, Scotty and Sloonei (to a much lesser degree). If they're all good it's an easy distance kill.
Evens.

Strex is out for blood.
Epi has repeatedly suggested that the Evens are paying insufficient attention to this game.

If this holds true, it would point to Kyle.
maybe, but there's no true way of knowing this. I looked up Kyle's participation during N10- he posted a bevy of times and could have easily been around to submit a kill.

This could be the case, sure. I'm not convinced though.

At the end of the day, the remaining candidates (You, SD, Kyle and Epi) all have 2 lives, so I would very much like to be right here so we don't go through and mislynch everyone until we get to you. Because if kyle's good, then he's a very easy scapegoat here.
To be clear, you think I withheld a kill on Night 10 so that I could implicate wilgy, even though I knew it would be revealed that he was not responsible for the missed kill immediately after, and was more than likely going to be lynched next anyway?
Sure.

Or as I said, other things could have happened and the kill wasn't purposely withheld. Could have been a block or a save or something. But when it didn't go through, in any case, it was an easy next step to continue pushing for wilgy.
I'm insulted that you'd think I'd approach the game this way if I was bad. That is dumb.

Dude, I dunno what you would do as a baddie. Sorry you're insulted. How the kill failed is irrelevant anyway, it's how you framed it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:56 pm A reminder that I was the one who initially introduced this line of thought. I'm not averse to or unfamiliar with it. I'm just hesitant because I read the entire pool of players as town, so I'm exploring possible alternatives where I can.
No you weren't- in my little case against you, I even proved you weren't- and as a matter of fact, after DH did introduce it, you gave some subtle pushback and said:
Sloonei wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Sloonei wrote: It took like 6 nights for anyone from this tribe to be nightkilled.
And you lot turn up and we start dying straight off.
SVS died before we got here
and pushed your idea that Wilgy was then the one to do so, fitting your narrative.
In the current form of the discussion, I was. People were moving past it after we lynched wilgy til I heroically stepped forward and brought order and reason back to our midst. Plus DH's argument was different anyway. He was just arguing that a member of Cerberus killed sprit because it happened when we showed up. I have been arguing that sprit was killed by a member of the Evil Evens who was there with us for days. Why would I perform a kill and then immediately start screaming for everyone to look at me as the culprit?
Easy. Someone else already brought it up, it was a valid argument, so you go along with it to look town. And you weren't screaming about it, man. You were squeaking about it. Sometimes putting things out there and saying 'I could be bad, see?' is a great way to give yourself credibility
Why is it that when I do something you don't like I'm "pushing narratives" but when I do something that might be good I'm "squeaking"?

I'm looking at you under a lens, so pushing narratives is just another way of how it fits my thinking. And I'm not comparing you doing "something good". I'm saying you were hardly screaming for people to start looking at you as a culprit. I think I did a pretty good job of pointing out that you were doing it out of necessity because everyone else was looking that way.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:14 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:54 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:52 pm Which mafia team isn't paying attention? I don't hate your suggestion though. The only suspects I've promoted have been DDL, Scotty and Sloonei (to a much lesser degree). If they're all good it's an easy distance kill.
Evens.

Strex is out for blood.
Epi has repeatedly suggested that the Evens are paying insufficient attention to this game.

If this holds true, it would point to Kyle.
maybe, but there's no true way of knowing this. I looked up Kyle's participation during N10- he posted a bevy of times and could have easily been around to submit a kill.

This could be the case, sure. I'm not convinced though.

At the end of the day, the remaining candidates (You, SD, Kyle and Epi) all have 2 lives, so I would very much like to be right here so we don't go through and mislynch everyone until we get to you. Because if kyle's good, then he's a very easy scapegoat here.
To be clear, you think I withheld a kill on Night 10 so that I could implicate wilgy, even though I knew it would be revealed that he was not responsible for the missed kill immediately after, and was more than likely going to be lynched next anyway?

Sure.

Or as I said, other things could have happened and the kill wasn't purposely withheld. Could have been a block or a save or something. But when it didn't go through, in any case, it was an easy next step to continue pushing for wilgy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:09 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:56 pm A reminder that I was the one who initially introduced this line of thought. I'm not averse to or unfamiliar with it. I'm just hesitant because I read the entire pool of players as town, so I'm exploring possible alternatives where I can.
No you weren't- in my little case against you, I even proved you weren't- and as a matter of fact, after DH did introduce it, you gave some subtle pushback and said:
Sloonei wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Sloonei wrote: It took like 6 nights for anyone from this tribe to be nightkilled.
And you lot turn up and we start dying straight off.
SVS died before we got here
and pushed your idea that Wilgy was then the one to do so, fitting your narrative.
In the current form of the discussion, I was. People were moving past it after we lynched wilgy til I heroically stepped forward and brought order and reason back to our midst. Plus DH's argument was different anyway. He was just arguing that a member of Cerberus killed sprit because it happened when we showed up. I have been arguing that sprit was killed by a member of the Evil Evens who was there with us for days. Why would I perform a kill and then immediately start screaming for everyone to look at me as the culprit?

Easy. Someone else already brought it up, it was a valid argument, so you go along with it to look town. And you weren't screaming about it, man. You were squeaking about it. Sometimes putting things out there and saying 'I could be bad, see?' is a great way to give yourself credibility

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:08 pm Sorry broken quote.

They kill people.

Not killing people means there is one more civ they have to lynch.

You're telling me that a mafia team has never outright held off on a kill in order to incite discussion?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:54 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:52 pm Which mafia team isn't paying attention? I don't hate your suggestion though. The only suspects I've promoted have been DDL, Scotty and Sloonei (to a much lesser degree). If they're all good it's an easy distance kill.
Evens.

Strex is out for blood.
Epi has repeatedly suggested that the Evens are paying insufficient attention to this game.

If this holds true, it would point to Kyle.

maybe, but there's no true way of knowing this. I looked up Kyle's participation during N10- he posted a bevy of times and could have easily been around to submit a kill.

This could be the case, sure. I'm not convinced though.

At the end of the day, the remaining candidates (You, SD, Kyle and Epi) all have 2 lives, so I would very much like to be right here so we don't go through and mislynch everyone until we get to you. Because if kyle's good, then he's a very easy scapegoat here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:58 pm Scotty, mafia doesn't decide not to kill a player just to push some wifom narrative people may or may not adopt.

Praytell then, what does mafia do?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:56 pm A reminder that I was the one who initially introduced this line of thought. I'm not averse to or unfamiliar with it. I'm just hesitant because I read the entire pool of players as town, so I'm exploring possible alternatives where I can.

No you weren't- in my little case against you, I even proved you weren't- and as a matter of fact, after DH did introduce it, you gave some subtle pushback and said:

Sloonei wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Sloonei wrote: It took like 6 nights for anyone from this tribe to be nightkilled.
And you lot turn up and we start dying straight off.
SVS died before we got here

and pushed your idea that Wilgy was then the one to do so, fitting your narrative.

But like Sloonei, even you must admit, one of the 4 of us, not counting Epi, has to be an Even, right?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:33 pmNope

unvote. Vote Sloonei tangerine

Ok, I think I've got a silkworm making a nest in my brain and he's telling me Sloonei is bad. Let me take you on a journey, like that conveyor-belt 70's ride in the ball of Epcot.

In identifying Marmot, Sloonei gains that town cred and can take it a little easier on the backburner the rest of the game. He susses out Wilgy because he's been buddying Daisy and views her as strong town. He also viewed me as strong town too, but when people started coming after me, he didn't so much call me town as he used to- instead it was more of a 'i'd rather not lynch him now'. Subtle. More on this in a sec.

So he's firmly in the non-strex camp, because of his marmot sniffing. Then he goes after Wilgy, an inactive, and another Strex. goodie on him in hindsight.

But let's cut to the swap.

When we come over to Pikachu, there are 3 original Pikachus there- DH, sprityo, and Epi. We discover sprityo is a "townfirm" and DH keeps harping on that on D9. Then Boom, he dead that night. Why would mafia want to kill him? Well, for one, it's as anonymous as you can get- killing a townfirm doesn't technically implicate anyone, because people generally view him as confirmed town. BUT. DH then immediately calls that out and says one of the new guys killed him. Makes sense.

Now I'm not sure mafia was planning on the connection being made. And if they were, then they're in a not bad position, because now all they have to do is go along with it and agree. Because if you do start mechanically lynching Wilgy, Me, Kyle, Daisy and Sloonei in a line, you're probably going to find the mafia, but not before you get some mislynches in. If you're a betting man (or woman).

So Wilgy is lynched (-1 life) when we merge on D9, and on D10, speedchuck is lynched over Wilgy. This lynch is great if you don't want to take sides.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:07 pm I'm not quite fully on board the speedchuck train right now. I've got ny boarding pass and I'm standing on the platform, but I'm hesitating there. Many signs point to him as bad. I take his effort in recent phases with a grain of salt for two reasons: first, he is speedchuck, and second, scum have about as much incentive to hunt as do civilians in a game with multiple scum teams. If the prevailing assumption about nutella flipping him is true then there's no question. But there could be mechanics we don't know of, somethin else could have prompted his flip, and it could be true. I don't know.

But the mystery of some unknown hypothetical isn't really good enough to move him to a town read for me. His lynch feels more or less inevitable and I think we'd be right to do it. But I'm not certain and I don't want to do it carelessly.

Also I feel plenty good about wilgy too. I don't mind lynching him first. I might be more confident about him.

I don't like the case against INH at all. His vote for wilgy yesterday was not really suspect and it would be the dumbest and most unnecessary slip up ever if that's really what it was. It's not.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:39 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:31 pm @Sloonei I also believe speed looks very townie atm.

It’s what I would do if I wanted the town to trust me when all signs proverbially pointed to me being bad. I’d want to pick it up a notch and put forth my best effort.

He could be town, and in that case I’m super sorry that things are panning out this way.

If he’s good and we lynch him, the best thing he can do in any situation is leave us a legacy, like my uncle.
speedchuck is one of the best fakers i've ever played with. For what it is worth

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 24, 2018 11:53 pm Hey why are we all on wilgy now? This thread seems just be barreling down the path of least resistance right now. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, but there's not a whole lot of critical discussion going on here. What's more fun and exciting than sound critical discussion?

WHO DO YOU WANT TO VOTE FOR???

When speed is mislynched:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:21 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:13 pm svs said this would happen
svs said a lot of things. Are you placing blame here or just lamenting?
Neither. Why would it have to be one of those two things?

THEN WHY BRING IT UP AT ALL?!

This is textbook playing both sides. If the lynch feels more or less inevitable, why not just vote for him? He even responds to me, calling speedchuck one of the best fakers he's ever played with. But it's safer, and looks better in the interim, if Sloonei instead does a continuation vote for Wilgy. No one will fault him for that, and if speed is good, that looks even better for him. If Wilgy is bad, then fan-fucking-tastic. It's a win-win.

But I am arguing that he took no strong stance at all in that lynch. Wishy-washy. Like eating a tide pod and wishing for death wishy washy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 1:15 am I've been less engaged with this game since the merge happened for a handful of RL reasons. I'll come back to it soon, but I've also been feeling a bit complacent since that one day I was in Pikachu. we still have lost more mafia than civilians in this game.

Fast forward to N10. Nothing happened! ooooooo 2spooky4me. It could be that no one submitted a NK, which would doubly increase Sloonei's narrative that a bad Wilgy inactive was Even, and would probably get Wilgy killed. It could also mean some other powers were at play, but who knows.

Sloonei knows.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:38 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:45 pm Host post may suggest an inactive baddie team.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm The host post mentions a mafia team failing to show up. I'm just tryna point that out, y'all.

Way to push the narrative.

But Wilgy is lynched D11 and ohhhh he's not an even. Back to the drawing board, though Sloonei now has caught TWO baddies! He must be super town now.

But there's still pushback about the whole Even's killing sprityo from people. Time to push that narrative:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 29, 2018 1:07 am I'll ask this again: what evidence is there that the Evens kill on even nights and strex on odd?

Nice and subtle, but it's a look-the-other-way and see if anyone looks with you. Maybe that can get the town off systematically lynching the only 4 real candidates of Kyle, Me, Daisy or Sloonei.

Nope, Daisy even wants to see it out. So Sloonei goes along.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:06 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 10:01 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 9:50 am This is totally subjective on my part.

Let's start tossing out theories and punching holes in them, or finding things that back them up.
Here’s another one- Sloonei is an evil even.

We do still need to figure out who killed sprityo. I'm starting to think it might have been kyle.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 12:07 pm But I say that with extreme hesitation and uncertainty. How do people feel about kyle?

"Could be Kyle, but it could also not be kyle. Someone else take the lead, because I don't want to go down this path"

He makes some comments that make me want to chuckle out loud (col) on account of the blatant hypocrisy:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 12:00 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:28 am ebwop, also Sloonei has said I was his on;y bad read from when he watched us. But this is his first mention of it, or me (other than in passing about the Speed lynch) since the tribes merged.

Wonder why supaciv did not mention his one bad read in front of me? This was his one mention of it, when he got to Pikachu, but he did not say why and he did not bring it up again.
Am I suspicious for not mentioning it to you earlier?

Also I have not been supaciv in this thread.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 1:13 pm I am glad I'm not alone in disliking that comment. Not only because it's directed toward me, but because of how unsubstantiated it is. Sig first states that he wants to "even the playing field" (what?) by lynching me (what?), and then after that vaguely alludes to a suspicion against me which has existed all game long but never been substantiated in any meaningful way. I get that that's kind of sig's thing, but he's been making comments like that about me all game without ever backing them up.

That said, I have no interest in defending myself because, in my own humble opinion, I think I look town as fuck and any suspicion against me is paranoid tinfoiling or a blatant fabrication. Lynching me might help some people, but I'd rather not lose a life over that.

Someone really doesn't want to go down this path of lynching.

Right out of the gate on D12, he votes DDL. Why? I dunno, and neither does Sloonei. But it's putting focus away from the whole Pikachu 2.0 Even conspiracy and not taking any firm stances.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 2:02 pm Commander Sloonei
What brought about your idea
That Mii is evil?
It's not a fully assured idea yet, but it stems from process of elimination when looking at the Pikachu 2.0 crew. Same as what brought me to suspect wilgy earlier. If we assume that the Evil Evens killed sprityo, then there must have been an Even in Pikachu with us.

It is possible that we've been on the wrong path about this and that strex kills on even nights while the Evens kill on odd nights. It is counter-intuitive, but that might be the point. If it weren't for the theory about evens killing sprit, I'd probably not suspect anyone from Pikachu 2.0.

I should look back and see if there was any resistance to the nutella suspicion before she got blown up.

Again, pushing this narrative.

He tried, but many people are looking to go down that path. He eventually caves and starts posting like he's doing work again:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 3:45 pm So we can assume there is an Even among these people:
Epginosis
Kylemii
Scotty
Sloonei
Spacedaisy

excluded sprityo because I don't think he killed himself.

This would also mean that the configuration of Pikachu 2.0 was 2 evens vs 2 strex vs 6 townies. (or x-number of townies vs x-number of indies, if we wanna go down that rabbit hole). And we still managed to eliminate two baddies in one day.

and then votes kyle. But the thing is, no one is really biting on kyle- they all want me dead.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:17 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:01 am
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 11:40 pm Feel worse about [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine than DDL now.
tell me why.
and what's kyle got that scotty doesn't?
I think Scotty used his interaction post as a means to lynch INH, not as an actual attempt to develop an informed read.

i dunno about kyle. he's not been on my radar. Should I be more worried about him than Scotty?
Maybe. Maybe not. Scotty would be my second choice among that group.

"but guyyysss, Scotty is my 2nd choice, let's stick the firrrrst choice, Kyle, who is maybe bad probably?"

Now see this is where I should be #grateful because he stuck his neck out for me here. But did he, really? He did, after all, say I was the 2nd choice. Not really a soaring recommendation. You know what else this reminds me of? speedchuck/wilgy lynch of D11. Verrrry similar, aint it?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 1:10 pm I don't really want to lynch scotty

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:51 pm [VOTE: sig] aubergine

i'm doing thangs today. don't want to lynch scotty.

awww. He doesn't really want to lynch me -> doesn't want to lynch me. I think this is genuine. You know why? Because the longer he can delay one of Kyle, Me, Daisy or himself, the longer he won't have to be put on the gallows himself when it goes mislynch after mislynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:42 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:34 pm I'm kind of confused as to why you are trying so hard to force the Evens to kill on odd nights. All of the evidence points to otherwise.
It's mostly due to me struggling to find either Scotty or Kyle seriously suspicious.

Now I would be remiss and hypocritical if I didn't mention that I also was attempting to steer away from the Pikachu 2.0 sprityo theory yesterday. I did, absolutely, because I felt more thread-based evidence was to be gained from linking Wilgy and Marmot to someone else. If Strex was all on Bidoof 1.0, then we're bound to find at least another Strex on that tribe. Which I think is INH, but that's for another time.

I think today, to nip this in the bud, and because I'm feeling very strongly this case, I'd push for a Sloonei lynch today.

Vote Sloonei aubergine

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:00 am When did Ben start appearing?

He came in on the 2nd half of Day 12, which means this was activated via an unknown ability or it is timed. If someone has been sitting on this power, then it's been for some time now. The last person to gain a 2nd role and still be alive is LoRab back in D9.

funny side note: LoRab and Ben both have the same number of posts in this thread, which is also almost twice as many as Boomslang.

fark, D13 and N13 should be D12 and N12. I can't even get one simple thing right

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 4:38 pm Im just gonna try to post this once a phase until I die or the hosts put up a comparable list on the front page, cuz my memory ain’t what it used to be and it's a pain to search for this shit. I’ll do this one with only the facts as we know it:

DEATHS:

Color key:
Out of game, mafia team Evil Evens
Out of game, mafia team Strexcorp
Out of game, Civilian
Out of game, alignment unknown

D1 - Quin (no lynch) (link)
N1 - nijuu (link)
D2 - speedchuck (link)
N2 - Scotty (link)
D3 - nutella (changed from DDL) (link)
N3 - JackofHearts (link)
insertnamehere dies (link)
D4 - Long Con (link)
N4 - No kill (link)
D5 - Long Con (link)
N5 - Sig (link)
D6 - Colonialbob (link)
N6 - SVS (link)
D7 - Marmot (link)

BUTTON

N7 - JackofHearts (link)
Nutella dies (link)
D8 - Marmot (link)
N8 - Sprityo (link)
LoRab Dies (link)

MERGE

D9 - Wilgy (link)
N9 - DharmaHelper (link)
D10 - speedchuck (link)
N10 - No kill (link)
D11- Wilgy (link)
N11 - Dharma Helper (link)
D13 - sig (link)
N13 - Quin (link)

—————————————————————————
Current Lives Left (as of D13)

Boomslang - 2
colonialbob - 1
Dom - 2
Dragon D Luffy - 2
Epignosis - 2
insertnamehere - 1
Kylemii - 2
LoRab - 1
Nijuu - 1
Quin - 1
Scotty - 1
Sloonei - 2
SpaceDaisy - 2
sprityo - 1
SVS - 1

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:09 pm I have no opinion of my own on colonialbob. I would like to hear whatever thoughts you guys have about him so that I may have a point of entry and we can organically work our way into a conversation about him and other possible suspects.

Pretend I am a new player just wandering into this game right now.

If you have no opinion, then how did you get his name out of your magician’s hat?

And you’re not a new player. You’ve been around as long as I have. You’re not catching up like Kyle

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 10:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:59 pm You want to lead lynches without being tuned into the game?
No. I want to talk about things so that I can become tuned in. I just have an aggressive way of pushing conversation.

How do you feel about cbob?

Honestly man, this isn’t aggressive. It’s quite the opposite in fact

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:52 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:50 pm I'm voting for Kyle. I would prefer to vote for Kyle over Scotty. Let's fight over them.
Let’s not go that route since it would appear he’s haiku’d today.
BUT! the haiku restriction isn't as severe as other posting restrictions, and it's not even mandatory. I have no moral objection to voting for him today if he's the player I think is most likely to net us a scum lynch.

That said, I'm not sure he's our best chance. Tell me what you think of him, ignoring the haiku business.

So...vote for him even though he might be immune to a lynch?

“Not sure he’s our best chance” but you just said you wanted to vote for Kyle over me, as if those are the only options.

I’ve already told you what I think of him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:57 pm [quote=S~V~S post_id=427857 time=<a href="tel:1522634090">1522634090</a> user_id=54]
[quote=Sloonei post_id=427855 time=<a href="tel:1522633823">1522633823</a> user_id=405]
I'm voting for Kyle. I would prefer to vote for Kyle over Scotty. Let's fight over them.

Looks like you need to make a different decision.

With Kyle off the table, which he appears to be, who is your second choice?
[/quote]

I'm not tuned in enough to this game to have a second choice right now. colonialbob is a name that keeps coming up. How do we all feel about him?
[/quote]
No no, what do you think of him. Don’t put this on other people

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:50 pm I'm voting for Kyle. I would prefer to vote for Kyle over Scotty. Let's fight over them.

Let’s not go that route since it would appear he’s haiku’d today.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:25 pm So is refrigerator the same person who is removing people from the poll?

I thought it was just they wouldn’t receive votes if they posted 10 qualifying haikus

no, you are correct. I keep thinking that role is one and the same.

I have no idea who the removing from the poll is. Could have been a pizza effect via sig? Or something else? Haven't seen it happen since speed was removed. Has it happened any other time?

I mean, hell, someone is obviously wearing a skin suit of Ben- don't know why he started showing up now.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:12 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:04 pm 4. Nailing the assistant principle with a mini-muffin throw from the opposite side of the cafeteria.

5. Wondering aloud which principle Jay hit with a baked good. Was it Maupertuis's principle? Or perhaps Harnack's principle?

Oh and thanks, Dom, for [what looks like] keeping Kyle off the poll today. How generous of you

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:22 pm Hey everybody, sorry I disappeared all weekend. I was traveling for a buddy's birthday and was busy pretty much the entire time. I've read over the thread but I'll probably need to reread to help my absorption.

Also I'm not bad just fyi

oh good

thanks for letting us know

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:44 pm Scotty how did you know the handcuff thing before Ben announced it?

Ben Linus wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:36 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 30, 2018 8:34 pm Well hello Ben.
Hello, number 9.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Apr 01, 2018 6:38 pm I was saying his answer would be pointless once he was revealed; that is why he didn't answer you.

So by me asking for an expansion- without any follow up on my part- that makes me look bad?

link: bye quin 1.0

Guess we know who refrigerator is, then

wait, did ben just handcuff Spacedaisy and someone without an assigned number?

What is going on.

Search found 460 matches