The Syndicate

My responses to gleam from a cycle ago:

I'm still here, catching up. Had a long weekend.

You guys ever fiddle with proofs in Geometry class? If a=b and b=c then a=c? That's kinda where my mind is with the potential alignments I'm calling a "trust fund". It's still rather abstract and unfinished but I have a few that I'm toying with in my mind.

Here's a few off the top of my head:
If sig is bad, then Quin is bad.
If sig is good, then golden is probably bad.
If sig is good, then Sloonei is probably bad.
If sig is good, then I am an idiot.
If Silverwolf is bad, then ika is probably bad.
If llama is bad, then DDL is probably good.
If TH is good, then sig is good.
If sig is good, then Quin is probably good.

These are obviously my opinions but just so y'all know, that's where my mind is right now.
I can't shake in the back of my mind that the Don has BTSC with his associate and they would have each other's back. I get nervous in any lynch that the entire thing has been one big ploy (since the cops probably know the identify of at least one don at this point) to get the entire town to rile up a lynch on said Don. It would make sense why the last 2 kills were failed. I think they are Don hunting, and have their target. Now it's just turning the Mafia tide to lynch their own. That's my thought.

Hypothetically- If sig is to be lynched and comes back as the Don (heaven for bid, with how he's played he is the Don lolz), I would look directly at Sloonei and Golden as the perpetrators. And even I would have to answer for a few things I suppose.

The way I see it, I currently trust Golden and Sloonei's lead because it makes sense, and they're so sure of their reads that it's kind of startling.

and anyone looking to tunnel on sig at this point (and to an extent that last lynch) if he is bad, I am inherently going to be suspicious of. I feel sig is grasping at straws here, and if I'm right, this looks worse for DDL, who has gradually started to join the sig train before it gets to the station.
If sig is bad, you know at this point he knows his goose is cooked and would be welcoming any and everyone to ride him like a mechanical bull at closing time.

Black Rock wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Well BR was right about LC, assuming no undercover cop and no cop BR. Apparently people's abilities to read their significant other in mafia is pretty good.

Do you think he'd claim that role as a cop? Where the hell were his friends?

Can we lynch TH now?

No, it is far too dark.

I don't know what to say. My viewpoint hasn't changed.
Quin pushed the LC vote with his vote loan. And even though he said he took the loan for self-preservation, he saved sig.

I mean, it looks pretty blatant. Those 2 are a team. And gleam, I still haven't forgotten about your wall "case" against me. I'll address that at some point in the night I guess.

I'm just pissed because I don't think we learned anything this lynch in regards to the people we have been pressuring over the last day. Like, the LC vote came out of nowhere.

Grrr

You've got to be kidding me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:If Sig is bad I'll ROTFL.

If sig is bad, then I'll actually be sad

There are SO many people screaming that sig looks civ even though he looks SUPER scummy and "just being sig". Makes me really paranoid that some of them KNOW sig is good, and now I'm second guessing the whole thing. Gah...

EBWOP: It wasn't just *both of your* votes that led me to that conclusion of guilt.

sig wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

sig wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I think I'm gonna make sure I don't come during the last hour just in case there is another CFD.

I've had enough of those for 2016.

Why when the last one went so well? Why avoid them?

Just because a russian roulette went good for you once doesn't mean it's wise to keep doing it over and over.

Also I recall you opposing it. Why the 180º?

I'm still agaisnt it, but people are saying that makes me scummy so???

linki: @Scotty I wouldn't do this though even if he was my teammate. If I had voted for him I'd have done so earlier in the phase and not waited until last minute. What do you think of LC's last minute vote

LC vote is also fishy, but it wasn't just his vote that led me to you as bad. Your tone and urgency against the Fuzz vote that last 30 minutes before deadline as well as your huffy responses after the lynch are what brings me to your badness.


Look, if I am wrong about you, I'm gonna have to take a good hard look in the mirror. Because I just had a haircut and you know that feeling when you think you're satisfied with your hair right after the cut, and then the wind ruffles it and you realize it looks more like a flock of seagulls haircut or a troll doll? That's what I'm gonna have to do tomorrow, and I'm not looking forward to it. Especially if I am wrong about you.

Hypothetical- sig sticks his neck out for teammate Fuzz and puts the last vote on- what would be- the clinching vote for ika. Ika is mislynched, Fuzz lives another day, and town gets to talk itself out of why a CFD was a bad idea and led no where. sig and Fuzz get to dance on rainbows and frolic in strawberry fields while the town second guesses everything.

That's what could have happened.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

sig wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I think I'm gonna make sure I don't come during the last hour just in case there is another CFD.

I've had enough of those for 2016.

Why when the last one went so well? Why avoid them?

Just because a russian roulette went good for you once doesn't mean it's wise to keep doing it over and over.

Also I recall you opposing it. Why the 180º?

Isn't it obvious?

Matt wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Matt wrote:I think sig taking his focus off of Golden, but still accusing sloonei, makes me believe ever more that sig is a civvie with no btsc. Haha.

I'm going to hit Marmot up for now.

remind me who you subbed in for again

sprityo, yo

ah k, gotcha.

I'm not all sure what made you take your suspicion off of Golden. I know you presumably can't talk about it, but it's odd how sudden it was.

Matt wrote:I think sig taking his focus off of Golden, but still accusing sloonei, makes me believe ever more that sig is a civvie with no btsc. Haha.

I'm going to hit Marmot up for now.

remind me who you subbed in for again

Woof, gleam. That was a fun read. I'll get to it, but not tonight. I'm finishing a matinee and have to perform in 2 hours so my time will be limited.

Quin wrote:I would like to revisit Scotty, but at this point I don't think the numbers are there.

CFD anyone?

Don't think I don't see what you and gleam are doing. I see you.

Sig/Quin/gleam as a team makes sense to me.

Quin wrote:

indiglo wrote:Ok, that's interesting Scotty. Thanks. I will put that in ye olde pipe.

Linki - Yes I saw that. I would like to hear more from Quin about that, because it did strike me as odd. As someone who doesn't really know either of them, I was wondering if there was some uncomfortable history there... or if it was just avoidance for some other reason.

Nah, this is only my second game with sig. There's nothing there. But more to the point, I said I didn't want anything to do with the discussion because no matter how I went about it it would be twisted and I'd look bad. Before EoD2 I hadn't even considered the fact that sig was even in the game. There's just so many players that I couldn't focus on them all. I'm not going to lie about it to look better.

sig is essentially on the chopping block for almost identical reasons to me, so by suspecting him for that I'm basically saying that their reason for suspecting me has merit, which it does not. If I don't find him scum, I'm distancing myself from the bandwagon and supposedly defending a teammate. I just figure that I'm too biased in my reasoning when it comes to sig to have a worthwhile read.

It's very early, so I don't know if this makes a lot of sense but I can't be bothered fixing it.

Ok.

Gun to head RE:sig.

All you people that get uncomfortable any time a "train" happens- why? Is there any time you would be comfortable with a train? 6 votes does not a train make anyway, so I don't see the reservation here. It's not runaway yet.

Yet.

But so far, literally every time someone gets a lead of 2-3 votes, someone comes out of the woodwork and exclaims that they "feel uncomfortable with the train".

Sometimes, the train is going to the station and it will be right on time.

Scotty wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Scotty wrote:I just did a read of Quin.

He's a cop.

Hey Quin, what is your opinion of sig? Straight up.

I was just thinking the same thing. Some of his posts are pinging me quite a bit.

When (or if) either of you have time to share thoughts on this, please do.

BR, what do you think about going with sig today?

I feel like sig is a good vote, the problem I have with sig is every time I feel this way he's a civ. What do I do with that?

Have you read Quin's posts? I don't know Quins style but I feel he's saying a lot of unnecessary stuff.

I really like a TH lynch, but I'm alone on that one. I have not seen super civvie TH at all this game.

You aren't alone on the TH suspicion. I just can't place why I feel that way.

Quinn's posts are coming directly from a distancing perspective in a scenario where sig is bad. I feel more strongly voting for sig today than I do with Quin.

Sorry, not a distancing perspective. A complete avoidance.
That much is apparent with his response to me recently where he has no read on sig whatsoever and would rather abstain from the discussion entirely.

Black Rock wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

Scotty wrote:I just did a read of Quin.

He's a cop.

Hey Quin, what is your opinion of sig? Straight up.

I was just thinking the same thing. Some of his posts are pinging me quite a bit.

When (or if) either of you have time to share thoughts on this, please do.

BR, what do you think about going with sig today?

I feel like sig is a good vote, the problem I have with sig is every time I feel this way he's a civ. What do I do with that?

Have you read Quin's posts? I don't know Quins style but I feel he's saying a lot of unnecessary stuff.

I really like a TH lynch, but I'm alone on that one. I have not seen super civvie TH at all this game.

You aren't alone on the TH suspicion. I just can't place why I feel that way.

Quinn's posts are coming directly from a distancing perspective in a scenario where sig is bad. I feel more strongly voting for sig today than I do with Quin.

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:I realize this is easy for you to just brush off, but if and when sig is lynched and comes up as bad I will go back and use points from your posts if I have to. If he is bad, I see right through you.

I have nothing to say. I look bad if he is maf, I still look bad if he's civ. I've been letting those who suspect sig deal with him on their own. I'm too biased to see anything in him worth lynching.

So you think he is civ?
My point is, combing through your posts, I have not seen you give one opinion one way or another on what you think of sig's alignment.

I realize this is easy for you to just brush off, but if and when sig is lynched and comes up as bad I will go back and use points from your posts if I have to. If he is bad, I see right through you.

I just did a read of Quin.

He's a cop.

Hey Quin, what is your opinion of sig? Straight up.

chaindeath wrote:Nerolunar, chaindeath supposes he should thank you. He has looked back through some of the posts where he was mentioned and involved and has gotten some reads. Quite honestly he finds you quite suspect. You claim that he has only posted defensively however, he's tried to figure things out through postings to no avail. He finds it quite interesting that you restated things that he, although perhaps not as explicitly as he should have, days after the fact.

Tue Mar 08, 2016 3:49 pm

chaindeath wrote:

ika wrote:yawn can we lynch this now?

This statement makes chaindeath uncomfortable.

Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:42 am

Nerolunar wrote:Im still reading Ika as bad. I understand that we are unfamilliar with his playstyle, but I just can´t get around how it looks. Recently he has only posted pictures without words, not really been providing thoughts or reads and previously he would say stuff like "Just lynch this already". It doesn´t look to me like he is really trying. What townstyle exhibits that?

I guess he is working and doesn´t have time to respond properly, but if he doesn´t do it soon I will be voting for him.

Maybe it's a piggy back but to him it seems like a Pingy-back (He tried)

He would also like to state that his initial entry into the game was in a defensive stance since people had voted for chaindeath. Apparently to you, he thinks, not physically having the time to participate is a baddie thing to do. He was out of town with family and to that point he felt his early vote on LC was justified but he didn't want to dwell too long on it. He feels bad saying it but it was more like a "throwaway vote".

Chaindeath would like to conclude with light amount of pingy-ness coming from Scotty also, any interaction with him seems to have been not the friendliest.

D&D night got moved up a day, so he will likely not be on until late or even tomorrow morning

Is your pinginess of me only because I find what you say and do suspicious? Scotty would like to conclude that that is called a NO-U

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

I don't know what you mean.

It means it's harder to find shoes in my size. Some people have narrow feet, and feel it unnecessary to produce shoes in half sizes past US 12

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Welcome back Matt

I'm gonna revisit Gleam. I think it's noteworthy that everyone on his wagon jumped ship for Fuzz while the other two wagons remained more or less intact. Does anyone know if any players who originally voted for Gleam ended up switching to ika?

Hi.

I am lumping you in cop-leaning camp this game, TH. You seem different than what I perceive as your civ game. You will respond with "show me examples" and I won't because I'm lazy this game.

I will do no such thing, because I don't think you know what my civ game looks like and I doubt you can show examples of how my play here is different. I would not even bother to ask you

Why did you underline "everyone" in my post, because I didn't say "almost" before it? I know you stayed on the Gleam wagon, you were the only one. You parked your vote there when he already had 5 and you left it there. As you might have noticed I've been paying attention to that vote of yours, I've brought it up multiple times, though I note this is the first time you engage with me and it's to suss me.

Laziness or not, this suss feels fake to me, especially when you preemptively excuse yourself from having to elaborate on it.

Ah I just went back through your posts and found that you literally did just qualify that my vote was still there. Derp, I missed it. My bad.

Yeah I've been lazy this game when referencing posts. Not gonna lie about it. That probably won't change for a few cycles unless I'm killed for it.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Welcome back Matt

I'm gonna revisit Gleam. I think it's noteworthy that everyone on his wagon jumped ship for Fuzz while the other two wagons remained more or less intact. Does anyone know if any players who originally voted for Gleam ended up switching to ika?

Hi.

I am lumping you in cop-leaning camp this game, TH. You seem different than what I perceive as your civ game. You will respond with "show me examples" and I won't because I'm lazy this game.


Also if both Sloonei and golden are both Scum this game, they're doing a great job. And I commend them. I find it hard to believe that is the case.

There are probably 5 cops left in the game. Who do you think they are, and maybe why?

How can there "probably" be 5 cops left? You think a cop may have NK'd his own? There's definitely 5 left.

I'm pinged by sig and Enrique. I believe that it may just be that easy, as Golden as commented. Their malaise after the Fuzz lynch seemingly came from a place of frustration. Why get mad when you get Glad(R) ?

I'm pinged by chaindeath for the same reasons Nero just pointed out: he's only here to defend himself and not so much offer anything else. Also I can't stop imagining he is actually William Shatner with how often he speaks of himself.

agleam is still on my radar for gut read. I don't think I ever left that train to begin with.

Quin could be a candidate, though I'm not totally sold on that. He has been on my ass for (imo) benign reasons for a few days though, so maybe his scumminess isn't unfounded. But I'm holding off for now.

I think some cops are hanging out in the wings and I'm monitoring that too.

Turnip Head wrote:Welcome back Matt

I'm gonna revisit Gleam. I think it's noteworthy that everyone on his wagon jumped ship for Fuzz while the other two wagons remained more or less intact. Does anyone know if any players who originally voted for Gleam ended up switching to ika?

Hi.

I am lumping you in cop-leaning camp this game, TH. You seem different than what I perceive as your civ game. You will respond with "show me examples" and I won't because I'm lazy this game.


Also if both Sloonei and golden are both Scum this game, they're doing a great job. And I commend them. I find it hard to believe that is the case.

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath has been night killed before and it haunts him to this day. Kinda. He just lives knowing that he could die at any moment. #tragicbuttrue

I have been night killed before too, chaindeath, but what have you done this game that you think would warrant being night killed? #civlivesmatter

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is unsure of the board state at this point. He has a few civi reads on a few people and a few on who the baddies might be. Scum seems like a mean word to him and he prefers baddies. If he was forced to vote right now it would likely be for either DDL or maybe SW.

Luckily he made it though the night safely and can look at people more closely. He had exams this past week that made keeping up really quite stressful and he plans to be more up and active. Hopefully.

Do you think you really were a candidate to be killed last night? I mean, anything is possible, but like, really?

Did you guys know that "sig" spelled backward is "cop"?

sig

Noting that sig and Enrique both find serge suspicious and support MM's case on golden.
Keeping that in my back pocket for later.

Gotta be honest. Sig and Enrique's scrambling after that lunch is more enjoyable than the eggs I had this morning. and those eggs were damn tasty.

I don't know what just happened, but I like it.

Goes to show we should always lynch Fuzz day 1 in every game.

Good job team!

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Quin wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.

I actually disagree with you on all 3 of these vote prospects. I haven't seen anything from SVS yet that reads scummy, Epi's response to my questions has satisfied me for now, and I won't be voting ika because I think it's mean.



I was actually leaning towards perhaps a Matt vote, but then he posted this:

Matt wrote:'Sides Golden, Quin is reading funny to me. Can't put my finger on it. Perhaps an ISO is in order!

And actually Quin read funny to me too. I just ISO'd (oh man, it feels weird to type that and not say I did a Quin re-read) and something felt funny. He kind of jumped around from suspicion to suspicion, not really holding on to any of them, and deciding to change his vote when his previous suspicion didn't gain any traction. Quin, I'm not sure have a concrete question to ask you, but I'd like to hear anything you can provide as to your thinking or developing of suspicions.

Then as I think about it, I wonder if my weirdness meter is actually tweaked because you changed your vote so many times. And that all goes back to my old school ways - one vote and you're done for the day. And I gather that with changeable votes, it seems to be encouraged to move them as many times as you can, making your first few changes null and void. In that case, my not voting yet may look strange to someone used to changeable votes.


I did notice Quin mentioned Enrique, so I'm happy to check there to see if I see what Quin saw. Ah, there I do have my first concrete question for you - How are you feeling about Enrique now? And what changed/affected your mind?

I also think it's a little strange to see the Tranq NA (Night Arrest) and then immediately assume Scotty did it and is a cop, and try to push that idea. Maybe it seems a little opportunistic? Do you still believe that to be the case Quin? (That Scotty NA'd Tranq, that is.)



Planning to look over Golden's posts now to see if anything feels funny. Also cannot wait to see how much linki there will be...

Yep, tons. Will post then read.

I feel as though all of my votes thus far have been pretty well reasoned. With ika on Day 1, I made it clear that I found the initial vote for Silverwolf was suspicious, given the context of the whole traitor/don situation, but I did take Silverwolfs word for it that it was not atypical behaviour for him. My current vote is all about his tight-lippedness. Withholding information like this isn't a town-move.

I am not entirely sure how I think about Enrique, now. His actions in the thread were very fishy to me, from his vote to his justifications, but the way he responded to me when I questioned him felt good to me. I think if I ran out of options I'd return to him, but there are currently better candidates out there at the moment.

I do still have that suspicion for Scotty. People keep saying they disagree, but nobody is presenting any viable alternatives. I can't agree with things like 'too opportunistic' or 'too convenient'. There is a reason why Tranq was the target over somebody else, y'no? I've changed my vote from him on account of this, but I am still adamant on the fact that I believe him to be a good lynch. If you wonder why I'm voting ika instead of Scotty, I'd answer that it's because I don't support a gleam lynch, and I am sufficiently suspicious of ika to warrant hopping on a bandwagon. Well, since Sloonei jumped off I guess that means I'm leading it?

Careful Quin, or I might name you my biggest suspicion heading into the next day.

We all know what happens when I name someone as my biggest suspicion...

You take me out to lunch and we talk about the weather?

As long as we're both drunk, there's always rain in the forecast.

let it be known if gleam flips bad, I'm calling Serge as a teammate.

Silverwolf wrote:If ika flips town, I'm gonna lose a lot of motivation to play. I mean at this point serge coming in here and voting him for no reason is annoying enough, but I feel a lot of the reasoning on ika has to do with his overall playstyle and the fact that he plays differently, and that just looks like policy to me which is not a good way to welcome new players on the site. I'm very demoralized by this.

Let me just say that my very first game -ever- I was night killed on the very first day. As the newbie. Everyone knew I was the newbie.
But that didn't seem to matter- they thought I was too flamboyant a personality for the town and so mafia killed me for how I played. It was frankly a shock, but I went back and kicked ass the next game. Sometimes you get killed for being different. I try not to take anything on forum mafia seriously.

It's nothing personal, and I feel like opting out of a game because your significant other gets voted out is something you should always consider when playing cohesively with another person you know.

Quin wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Depending on how SVS responds to my earilier questions, my vote today seems like it will be coming down to her, Epignosis, or ika.

I actually disagree with you on all 3 of these vote prospects. I haven't seen anything from SVS yet that reads scummy, Epi's response to my questions has satisfied me for now, and I won't be voting ika because I think it's mean.



I was actually leaning towards perhaps a Matt vote, but then he posted this:

Matt wrote:'Sides Golden, Quin is reading funny to me. Can't put my finger on it. Perhaps an ISO is in order!

And actually Quin read funny to me too. I just ISO'd (oh man, it feels weird to type that and not say I did a Quin re-read) and something felt funny. He kind of jumped around from suspicion to suspicion, not really holding on to any of them, and deciding to change his vote when his previous suspicion didn't gain any traction. Quin, I'm not sure have a concrete question to ask you, but I'd like to hear anything you can provide as to your thinking or developing of suspicions.

Then as I think about it, I wonder if my weirdness meter is actually tweaked because you changed your vote so many times. And that all goes back to my old school ways - one vote and you're done for the day. And I gather that with changeable votes, it seems to be encouraged to move them as many times as you can, making your first few changes null and void. In that case, my not voting yet may look strange to someone used to changeable votes.


I did notice Quin mentioned Enrique, so I'm happy to check there to see if I see what Quin saw. Ah, there I do have my first concrete question for you - How are you feeling about Enrique now? And what changed/affected your mind?

I also think it's a little strange to see the Tranq NA (Night Arrest) and then immediately assume Scotty did it and is a cop, and try to push that idea. Maybe it seems a little opportunistic? Do you still believe that to be the case Quin? (That Scotty NA'd Tranq, that is.)



Planning to look over Golden's posts now to see if anything feels funny. Also cannot wait to see how much linki there will be...

Yep, tons. Will post then read.

I feel as though all of my votes thus far have been pretty well reasoned. With ika on Day 1, I made it clear that I found the initial vote for Silverwolf was suspicious, given the context of the whole traitor/don situation, but I did take Silverwolfs word for it that it was not atypical behaviour for him. My current vote is all about his tight-lippedness. Withholding information like this isn't a town-move.

I am not entirely sure how I think about Enrique, now. His actions in the thread were very fishy to me, from his vote to his justifications, but the way he responded to me when I questioned him felt good to me. I think if I ran out of options I'd return to him, but there are currently better candidates out there at the moment.

I do still have that suspicion for Scotty. People keep saying they disagree, but nobody is presenting any viable alternatives. I can't agree with things like 'too opportunistic' or 'too convenient'. There is a reason why Tranq was the target over somebody else, y'no? I've changed my vote from him on account of this, but I am still adamant on the fact that I believe him to be a good lynch. If you wonder why I'm voting ika instead of Scotty, I'd answer that it's because I don't support a gleam lynch, and I am sufficiently suspicious of ika to warrant hopping on a bandwagon. Well, since Sloonei jumped off I guess that means I'm leading it?

Careful Quin, or I might name you my biggest suspicion heading into the next day.

We all know what happens when I name someone as my biggest suspicion...

Nerolunar wrote:Thanks. Im doing my best, but sometimes I have trouble coming up with words that fit. Im glad to hear that you understand what Im trying to say.

that nevar stoiped mee

Too many votes spread out still, and some people haven't voted at all.

I go back and forth with the different factions of suspicion. I see legitimate cases that I feel like I want to gravitate to (llama's on DDL comes to mind) but I am all torn up with who I suspect more out of everyone.

Did ika just up and quit? I saw Silver coming back to defend herself, but no ika.

I'm gonna be honest and say I haven't had the inkling to ISO particular people because of timing on my part, and because this game is still so big and spread out.

I have a feeling Wilgy is good, I think that gleam has been pretty calm under circumstances, but then moved his vote around multiple times to essentially save himself without saying that he was saving himself. I'm still fine keeping it where it is and hope whatever comes of the lynch tonight is fruitful for mafia (that's so weird to say)

Serge wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Serge wrote:Hello everyone, sorry for missing out on the last day. I've read up until page 15, hopefully I'll catch up tomorrow.

I'm quite surprised at the number of new players in this specific game. The thread is going so fast and references on other games flash by here and there. Let us be civil(no pun intended), it seems some sparks are flying.

Who/what is a linki? When I catch up hopefully I'll be able to form a clearer picture. If it doesn't come in that form, I'll make that investigation board instead. No matter what happens, I'll cast a vote this day phase.

Hello again Serge, "linki" refers to when a new post pops up during the time you are typing your own new post.

What would you say is your general strategy on Days 1 & 2 of a Mafia game? Has this game been busier than what you are accustomed to?

Hullo Sloonei, I have just arrived at your post. Thanks to you and that other person that explained linki.

I don't like 0s and 1s as they usually revolve around random guessing and nitpicking the tiniest bits of text that may be construed as scummy. An example would be llama saying that Luffy complaining that the game is hard for cops is scummy is an example.

For Day 2, I generally put who got lynched and nightkilled front and center, using the posts from the previous day to try and find any links as to how both these things transpire.

I'm going to resume reading now, see you when I catch up.

I like this dude. I think he is town, mostly because we have similar philosophies.
Though night kills I'm starting to rely less and less on as crutches for suspicions.

Nothing personal is being thrown around here. It's the nature of the game to banter and question motives. I know I mean nothing personal, and Quinn means nothing personal.

I take it personal that anyone would think as such.

Silverwolf wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Scotty wrote: I don't like the love affair that comes with Silverwolf, however. I could see myself voting their way come tomorrow, if not today.

Why do people keep saying this? It's really starting to annoy me to be honest. Is it not this site's culture to interact with people you are friendly with, without being scumread for it. Or is it just policy because you guys don't like the personal nature of it?

Because this is at least the second person to want to lynch me because of what ika is saying to me and I still do not understand what the issue is.

I am not one of the people who has expressed this sentiment, but the way you two have been so strongly focused on one another has been hard not to notice, and unusual behavior like that is always going to attract attention in this game.

That's fine, then I'd like an explanation about why this makes me scum because it really should not be alignment indicative in the least. Especially considering we have played together a lot and know each other on a personal level. All I'm seeing is people want to lynch us and vote us for it and I'm starting to get annoyed. I do not, and never have, interacted with a scum buddy in this manner. It would be stupid play. I'm not an idiot. Otherwise, it just looks like a policy lynch because we don't play the same way the rest of you do which is also annoying.

Ok see I assumed you had some sort of RL connection.
But you are aware that what he was doing was buddying since you outright asked him to stop buddying up to you. So obviously you think buddying could be a suspicious concept, surely.

So I could be swayed to change my vote over the next 24 hours, but now I'm actually really curious as to whether or not gleam is scum or not. Because if he is, then we've got some definite steering away from a baddie lynch on multiple fronts.
But.
I am concerned that people are steering away genuinely because having a wagon on someone early without furthering discussion and not having incontrovertible proof that that player is bad is...a mistake.

I don't think that ika's answers in particular are necessarily shit posting, but they are rather curt and simple. I believe it is carried over from the community he comes from and might just be a disagreement in forum philosophies.

I don't like the love affair that comes with Silverwolf, however. I could see myself voting their way come tomorrow, if not today.

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

sig wrote:I don't like this huge bandwagon on gleam, espacilly since nobody has ever actually explained their suspicion of him, or if they have I don't remember it.

I've got a slight mafia gut read on Wilgy.

Also I find it odd how quite Zebra/LC seem to be this game.

I agree with this. I am mostly caught up and I really don't understand how Gleam has so many votes so early in the day. I understand votes are changeable but with this level it's making a statement and I don't understand the case.

This is where I'm at. Scotty's vote seems questionable to me, I haven't looked at the other votes in depth yet. Scotty said he was voting for Gleam "Because", and then when asked to elaborate, he said:

Scotty wrote:As for me voting gleam: it's mostly a continuation suspicion of my night 1 eyeing of him for being a floppy pancake. But I'm far too lazy to look it up right now. About to enter a poker tournament.

This isn't just. Throwaway vote on a wagon. It's just gut, and he happens to have a bunch of votes piles on as well, so there's that.

So idk, but putting the sixth vote on a wagon more than 24 hours before the lynch deadline, when it doesn't look like a "pressure vote" or like it's furthering the read, well it looks like it's just there. I feel like I can't judge Scotty's motives until the Day is over and I see what else he does with his vote, but right now I feel like he's just gonna keep it parked there until deadline and that feels weird to me for reasons I can't really articulate.

Sometimes I feel like I'm closer to those I don't know, and end up pushing away friends as a side effect.

This is called Mauerbauertraurigkeit.

i placed 18th in the poker tournament. Not bad.

Quin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

ika wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Also, if ika doesn't do anything D2, he should be lynched.

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Scotty wrote:And lol. If I were a cop, why on earth would I arrest Tranq? I was probably his main detractor! This kill seems totally random, or switched via Daisy power.

Agreed. The Tranq kill actually elevates Scotty's Civvishness to me.

This was exactly the point I was trying to make. Under normal circumstances people would take Tranq's arrest as a civ-tell for Scotty. There is no good reason why Tranq would be the target if it was anybody but Scotty doing the arrest. I don't think we should be relying on daisy's intervention as an excuse because we have no idea as to what it did.

you just won't let this go, will you?

Silverwolf wrote:OK, ika stop buddying me now.

What made you start to pry ika off your back now as opposed to before? Because I was going to say something earlier yesterday about your little love affair going on, but didnt know your background. Are you guys dating IRL?

Sloonei wrote:@ Quirinius: I don't agree with your vote on Scotty. I don't see a clear connection between him suspecting Tranq and Tranq getting thrown in the slammer last night. It doesn't add up for that to be the Police strategy. Also, and take this for what it's worth, I just nabbed Scotty as scum on Day 1 in Rocky & Bullsinkle, and I'm not getting the same vibes from him in this game. He hasn't done anything to earn himself a town read, but he's not a scum read either. Not to toot my own horn or anything, but uh, toot toot.

thanks for the Cred, man!

As for me voting gleam: it's mostly a continuation suspicion of my night 1 eyeing of him for being a floppy pancake. But I'm far too lazy to look it up right now. About to enter a poker tournament.

This isn't just. Throwaway vote on a wagon. It's just gut, and he happens to have a bunch of votes piles on as well, so there's that.

Scotty wrote:Putting a vote on Gleam for now. Because.

Oops: Gleam

Putting a vote on Gleam for now. Because.