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Nah you're good Sloon. I was looking through his ISO prior to your thorough examination and found that when he put sour reads, he peppers in a conglomerate of things like "maaaaaaybe" and "could be bad?" But especially in regards to me, his voting looks opportunistic. I might be biased (ok I'm biased) but I also don't see the organic nature of some of his reads as they come about.Sloonei wrote:JoH RE: Scotty:
I just quoted these two posts in the above ISO. I am dumb:Scotty is a very early suspect. But then this later rainbow comes along:Spoiler: showScotty is green. I believe this is related to fake slip reactions.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Left off Wigly
Jack
Quin
Golden (deserves iso)
Nut
Silver
Marmot
JTrips (deserves iso)
Scotty
Fred
Sig
*basically everyone else who hasn't posted much* aka Eloh and DFaraday?
Dizzy
Sonjei
Straw
Sorsha
LC (deserves iso)
Nacho
Wigly
Speedchuck (deserves iso)
In this big post he references Scotty as one of Nacho's leading suspects prior to his nightkill, which I suppose lays some framework for a suspicion. But then in this post he provides some analysis that favors Scotty. After this the only mention he makes to Scotty is an indirect reference to Speedchuck's ISO of Scotty, then the vote. I don't see a ton of basis for Jackofhearts to suspect Scotty. This isn't condemning, but it's not terribly inspiring either.
I recognize the irony of me being critical of a player for voting against their stated suspicions in this game.
Well what do we have here?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:vote Scotty
I'd rather lynch Speed but only Dizzy agrees with me on him.
Not convinced by INH on Dizzy at all. Can't read Marmot for crap. Can't read Elih cause she's barely playing but I could see her w/w with Marmot if one of them flips.
So many linkis. If someone has a strong argument, point me to it fast.
nutella wrote:Scotty: ~2-2.5. I think you're civ.
And jjj is clean bc I copped him. It was a one shot ability and I'm already kicking myself for wasting it.Keep those items coming so I can continue to be useful.
speedchuck wrote:4.Scotty wrote:Actually, screw it.
I have an exercise for everyone. I actually want as many people's opinions as possible.
On a scale of 1-6, 1 being civ and 6 being pondscum, where would you rank me? In one sentence, what brings you to that read in particular?
Since that would be bringing my read up, I'd say that you have been much more focused on town-productive things today.
Because I'm bad at single sentence-ing, I'll continue. You definitely don't feel like you're trying to lie low, and you aren't being entirely defensive. Some of your posts (even your analysis of me, which I obviously found to be off the mark) felt a bit more like you trying to profit town than pull pressure off of yourself. There are easier targets for scum than me, at the moment.
Still a 4, though, because I'm seeing SOME of that. Not entirely swayed.
That's my gut at the moment.
Edit before post: Dangit, got ninja'd by a similar score. Curses. I swear I'm not following Sloonei blindly guys.
I appreciate the honesty over the EoD.speedchuck wrote:I feel like I could respond to all of that, but I'll condense it, in random order:
"1. Hey, look at this crazy EOD flipabout that speedchuck is doing, after saying he wasn't moving his vote.
2. Look at how his reads change straight from scum to town and scum again.
3. Look at how my read didn't change, so I must be uber scum in his eyes, despite him never giving a very strong case for that.
4. Look at how it dashes his reads and understanding of the game when Marmot/mM self-votes.
5. Why doesn't he go along with the crowd and lynch mM instead of me if mM is a scumread?"
One by one:
1. I moved my vote maybe 4 times in that whole day. Better than the ten or so that I usually do. Not sure how this would be scummy anyway.
2. Yeah, apparently I'm not used to scum blatantly buddying, self-voting, and fooling around like mM was doing. I found his confidence and general flippant attitude to be genuine, and was certain that he and INH would never act so obviously murderous and buddyable toward Dyslexicon as scum. It was too scummy to be scum, in my eyes.
Is this a weird meta-thing here, or was anybody else blindsided?
3. Scotty, even if my read/case on you hasn't been incredibly strong, it has been consistent. You have been consistent. mM was doing something inconsistent.
4. Yeah, I don't like when people do that.
5. The crowd was voting for you most of that time, or so I thought until votals started popping up late. I actually thought we were going to lynch you, but then things shifted.
A couple more notes, since you said a lot of things:
I haven't been tunneling you. I made a case and then left my vote there for a while, as I had little reason not to. My posts have not overwhelmingly been about you.
As I said a few minutes ago, nobody would have blamed me if I didn't get a mM vote in by dayend. I was trying my best and barely got it in at the literal last minute.
As a note, your outrage over my read changing regarding INH and mM is exactly what I was feeling at the time. "WHAT ON GODS GREEN EARTH" indeed. Glad we're on the same page.
Like, Idunno. I was a bit all over the place around end of day, but so were the scumspects that I was all over the place on.
You don't have to give me a free pass. But to call my behavior tunneling, and then returning the favor (There's pretty much never a good reason to tunnel IMO) isn't the greatest.
Anyone else have questions?
Feel free to reply, Scotty, if I didn't address something.
Juliets, don't worry about catching up as in reading the whole thread. Having you around is better than having a no-show person. It's okay, at least where I come from, to have someone in the thread that is reading people based on their current actions rather than the feel-good bias of the previous days.
You're doing fine. Best of luck keeping up from now on, though.
Thanks for coming in Juliets. I basically skimmed most of Day 1 as well, since I was swamped with work. Sometimes skimming can pick out patterns where you're not mired in self-doubt of intense analyses.juliets wrote:I'm feeling overwhelmed by this game this morning. It may have been a mistake for me to replace in as I don't know that I can ever catch up today and provide what I consider to be solid reads. I'm not a nighttime poster so I am really worried about a fast paced EOD tonight that I can't keep up with. I'll give some impressions based on what I read yesterday and the conversation that's taken place since I replaced in.
I have civ reads on Sloonei, nutella and Dyslexicon. Sloonei at EOD yesterday reminded me of myself in the bea vs. soneji lynch in GOC - unsure which way to go and changing his mind as he looked at different aspects of each person - so I empathize with his situation. (Sorry for those of you not in GOC, I know my reference doesn't mean anything to you.). I don't think he was trying to lead and if people looked at him as a leader that was not his fault. I also think it would have been easiest for him to stick with Scotty based on what he had posted.
I haven't read JJJ so I have no opinion but I'll do that this morning. I don't remember having seen angry JJJ before and I don't understand the anger about being suspected. Maybe I will understand better once I read him. I will say I believed his claim when I was reading through because he had asked Quin earlier in the game if anything had interfered with him in the night. But, I know nothing about claiming. It seemed convenient that the claim was of a role that had already used it's power, helping to explain why he wouldn't be a good target for a night kill which would be good if he's bad.
I wasn't reading Scotty positively when I first entered the thread because I didn't feel he was defending himself in a passionate manner like I felt he did in GOC. That has changed however and I have to say when I read his speedchuck post I though "wow, he sounds bad". I got a little nervous though that maybe my comment about Scotty not having enough passion made him think he better do something or risk being read as bad. Also I think it was JJJ that brought up Scotty's anger in Red vs. Blue and I guess he was implying that Scotty was angry there and bad. nutella seems to think he's good because of the hinting but I'm entirely unsure how to read all this blatant hinting and claiming. It's completely foreign to me. I am going to have to read Scotty in ISO again and take a look at Red vs. Blue to come to a conclusion for him as the evidence in my mind seems to cancel out. I know this won't be a popular read as most are reading him as bad and this seems wishy washy. I'll do my best to come down on one side or the other later in the day.
There was competing info about speedchuck yesterday both very good and very bad. I'll add him to my ISO list though I tend to lean toward Sloonei's assessment since I'm viewing Sloonei positively.
Please remember that I'm on day 2 of my day 1. Skimming the thread to loosely follow along is a lot different than reading to retain content and make reads. Everyone around me appears to have a lot of confidence in their reads and I have none other than my good reads. If there is anything you think would help me, anyone else I need to look closely at to help me get to a confident read on someone bad for today's lynch please let me know. Otherwise I ask you to bear with me.
Clean as in just hopped in the bath, or clean in another context? If the latter, how did you reach that conclusion?nutella wrote:Unvote jjj
He's clean.
I agree with this tbh. Jack has been flitting back and forth on my list for a while now, and I think it's time I choose a side. So what the heckJaggedJimmyJay wrote:Note about Jack: he's been willing to change his mind in this game which is generally something I appreciate, but it has happened in ways that strike me as unnatural. His perspectives have consistently started in a unique, personal place and then adapted to more conventional/popular reads. I'd say that about his read on me, his treatment of Sloonei and Quin today, and his suspicion of speedchuck (his enthusiasm for it appears to be declining against Sloonei's town read.
My concern is that he is finding comfort zones and that his reads aren't developing within a personal mindset -- they're shifting with public opinion.
vote Jackofhearts
For what it's worth, I'm feeling better about LC lately. I realize there really wasn't much in terms of Marmot interaction to substantiate my feelings; most of it had to do with other players' mentions of him and I'm getting enough of a town feel from the man himself to dismiss them at the moment. If Jack ends up bad I might review their possible connection but
when Sloonei voted me, so what's the haps?lol you didn't answer the question, but cheers nonetheless, old chap!JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You being pissed off means nothing to me after RED vs BLUE. I read some of what you said about speedchuck and it warrants a response from him (if that hasn't come yet). I don't find your read agreeable though. I also don't expect you or anyone else to "follow me blindly", for you to even ask that makes me want to hang you. That's a leading and discrediting question that has no chance of helping you read into my behavior. Good day, sir.Scotty wrote:That's fair, except...did you read anything I've posted RE: speedchuck today? What would make me look civ in your eyes?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have no reason to town read him. I don't know that a blank interactive analysis necessarily means he's evil since I do see those often with civilians when I take on the same workload.Sloonei wrote:I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.
But there's nothing in his posts that I have seen that say to me "oh, there's civilian Scotty". I'd lynch him. He actually just gave me shit for my tracker claim not being accountable when I believe he soft claimed exactly something very early in the game. I don't know what it was. Did that ever become a hard claim? I haven't read everything.
Guys I don't wanna bring discussion all about me again today. I can. But that Sloonei has declared martial law on the thread in my name makes me pissed off more than anything.
Is it because I'm not following you blindly?
You're mixing up the order. My normal meta is to vote low posters because I suck at identifying baddies early.Sloonei wrote:And you also expressed a desire to vote for a low-poster because you couldn't identify any baddies?Scotty wrote:Yes.Spoiler: show
Sloonei wrote:In defense of speedchuck, he is in a game with a bunh of strangers. He can correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think he's ever played with any of us before. With that in mind, I have no problem with his uncertainty ("flip-flop") yesterday or at any other point in this game. He mentioned this directly in his Scotty suspicion. He provided his own investigative work and came out with a legitimate case, but backed off it when I said things about Scotty's meta. So then when I later came back with my own suspicion of Scotty, it restored his confidence in his own read.
We can apply the same line of thinking to his read on metalmarsh, or anyone else in the game.
Understandable.Sloonei wrote:I do not wish for you to reveal your role unless you want to reveal your role.Scotty wrote:Correct.Sloonei wrote:I just started scrolling through Scotty's Day 3 posts. He said this initially:And then went on a tirade against the two people who hammered on metalmarsh.Scotty wrote:Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by
Well done on catching him y'all
And actually, speedchuck was one of my top town reads going into the day. It wasn't until I started dissecting the EoD THAT I WASNT EVEN AROUND FOR that I picked up on a few inconsistencies.
I feel very alone and isolated in this game. This isn't a pity post, I don't do that shit. But I'm also clawing my way from a ditch while you guys throw rocks at me from above.
Would it help you if I just told you what my role is? Probably wouldn't believe me. It sure wouldn't help me reveal because I haven't been able to activate it. I chose not to activate it night 1 because I didn't think I'd be able to utilie it. I couldn't activate it last night.
And I apologize if you feel discouraged. I can't help that I find you suspicious, and I am going to bring that up as much as I can. It does not mean that my mind is made up. My mind is never made up.
That said, I've been similarly frustrated at the suspicion I have received. I felt like we just caught a huge break wit yesterday's lynch and then immediatwlg started moving backwards today.
I do not agree with your speedchuck case and I know that I am town. Who else do you suspect?
You're leading discussion today. It's like the beaches of Normandy all over again.Sloonei wrote:What does yesterday have to do with today?Scotty wrote:What were you saying about not leading discussion yesterday?Sloonei wrote:I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.
Nah dude you're demanding they talk about me. There's a difference.Sloonei wrote:is this not what we're supposed to do when we suspect players? I'm not telling everyone they have to suspect you. I'm telling then I want to talk about you, because maybe you're town and someone can convince me and others of it.Scotty wrote:That's fair, except...did you read anything I've posted RE: speedchuck today? What would make me look civ in your eyes?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have no reason to town read him. I don't know that a blank interactive analysis necessarily means he's evil since I do see those often with civilians when I take on the same workload.Sloonei wrote:I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.
But there's nothing in his posts that I have seen that say to me "oh, there's civilian Scotty". I'd lynch him. He actually just gave me shit for my tracker claim not being accountable when I believe he soft claimed exactly something very early in the game. I don't know what it was. Did that ever become a hard claim? I haven't read everything.
Guys I don't wanna bring discussion all about me again today. I can. But that Sloonei has declared martial law on the thread in my name makes me pissed off more than anything.
Is it because I'm not following you blindly?
I do not mean to frustrate you.
Ah I gotcha.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Fishing, mostly. Scotty made a fair accusatory post against him but since I don't trust Scotty.Sloonei wrote:What reason is there to read speedchuck as bad? He's in my top tier of town reads at this point.
I think the amount of culture clash I'm having with him makes my brain want him to be scum. I don't even remember Scotty's arguement that well.
Ah ok. So you're not a fan of speed's, who is my top scum read right now, and you're willing to jump on Sloonei's bag and join the Scotty lynch circus?Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@JJJ
I can go over it again but I'd rather not. Doesn't seem worth discussing.
It's damn near impossible for Marmot to have been behind Golden being misdirected from you to Fred.
I don't think you needed to claim but since you're now (assuming you are telling the truth) vanilla, I don't see much harm in it. I already assumed you were some sort of tracker but you could have maintained the illusion of still having a power, which is probably how I would have played it. You'd be surprised how many players will admit to targeting deaders if they think they were tracked.
I could Vote Scotty
Having to do a full reset on Quin and JJJ. Too many assumptions were made today. They'd be good ISO targets.
Still not a fan of Speed's. Don't like Marmot defending Eloh from me, earlier. Not a bunch of reason to weigh in on her if she's town. Might be reaching.
Would love to hear from INH on someone besides Sloonei.
Hey JJJ!!JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Gotta go again, and I may not have any chances to vote tomorrow. I haven't felt good about Scotty all game so I'll do that now:
Vote Scotty
I encourage y'all to maintain a productive dialogue though; no hammers allowed.
Correct.Sloonei wrote:I just started scrolling through Scotty's Day 3 posts. He said this initially:And then went on a tirade against the two people who hammered on metalmarsh.Scotty wrote:Them MM voters lookin real good right now by the by
Well done on catching him y'all
That's fair, except...did you read anything I've posted RE: speedchuck today? What would make me look civ in your eyes?JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have no reason to town read him. I don't know that a blank interactive analysis necessarily means he's evil since I do see those often with civilians when I take on the same workload.Sloonei wrote:I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.
But there's nothing in his posts that I have seen that say to me "oh, there's civilian Scotty". I'd lynch him. He actually just gave me shit for my tracker claim not being accountable when I believe he soft claimed exactly something very early in the game. I don't know what it was. Did that ever become a hard claim? I haven't read everything.
What were you saying about not leading discussion yesterday?Sloonei wrote:I want to shift the focus of all the discussion onto Scotty. Everyone talk about Scotty. I command it.
Yeah I've explained it but that's ok, I'll explain again. I'm grown into a tree since making this post.Sloonei wrote:What do you have to say to this, Scotty? I'm interested in hearing what your thought process was when you made this post, if that's something your memory even has access to. You've dismissed it, I think, but not in a way that actually addresses it, unless I'm misremembering things.Sloonei wrote:Assignment #2 is complete.
Remember when I said this?:Well...Sloonei wrote:A note: When I've caught Scotty as scum before, it's been for contradictions and inconsistencies in his behavior.
I'll reiterate an initial part of my beef with Scotty because I don't know if he's given it a proper response yet:If Scotty earnestly believes that Dyslexicon slipped on Day 1, why is he also lamenting the problem that he can never tell who's bad on Day 1? If that was a slip, isn't it plain as day that Dyslexicon is bad?Scotty wrote:I see I missed a lot in being gone from the thread. I'm real busy y'all, Donny participation is highly dragging on all fronts going forward.
I'm caught up, and realize that this is why I prefer to vote no-shows on day 1. I'm not sure who's bad. I thought Nutella was playing the fences early on with her first few posts, but I like her recent posts. The golden thing seems like a pretty good place to continue down I guess.
Not liking Wilgy's entrance. Any time he plays the WIFOM card my eyebrow twitches. Both he and MM.
I see the slip as what it was: a slip. Going to continue to defend me voting Dys. Could be difference in culture, but I don't like the bait tactics and choose to believe it were really that easy to bait a response out of someone with an "obvious" fakeslip, it's just as easy to scumslip.
Oh fuck no not this shit againSloonei wrote:The following is a complete compilation of all interactions between Metalmarsh and Scotty in the game of Phenom Mafia:So um.Spoiler: show
unvote jackofhearts, I think? Am I still voting for him?
vote Scotty
Did you even read what I posted? (That's rhetorical I guess since you refuse take off your rose-colored glasses). I already went through that post and said why I thought it was a bullshit "case" on MM.Sloonei wrote:speedchuck:Early scum read. I like this. I'll be a little nervous and say it's possible a new player to our community wanted to take a bold stance and come out bussing one of their teammates Day 1, but that's a tinfoil theory.Spoiler: show
I believe he is being critical of metalmarsh's vote for Dyslexicon here, as part of a larger post. I like this whole post and the discussion it is a part of from speedchuck. He puts some good thoughts into the thread, stands up for what he believes in (Dyslexicon's slip was intentional), and gets some reads out of it. Big positive marks for speedchuck here.Spoiler: show
A big list of common suspects which includes a marmot. Nothing to see here.
Speedchuck was one of the first people to engage with me when I entered the thread and started hurling questions at everything. I liked his tone from the start. He was relaxed and open and his accounts of things appear to have been as objective as a person is able to be. He names metalmarsh as one of his top suspects (along with Scotty) in this post and also offers a comment on him regarding the Dyslexicon slip. His suspicion is looking consistent and genuine to me at this point.
More of the same. I'm gonna go ahead and slap a town read on speedchuck now, and also note that I believe Scotty criticized him earlier for never following through on his promise to ISO metalmarsh, to which I say... this post exists, Scotty.speedchuck wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 78#p335178
This post is interesting because it contradicts itself? It, at the beginning of the post, says that logic points to Dizzy doing an on-purpose fakeslip.
Then says later in the thread that it is an accident.
Then I think they ended the day on Dizzy, despite saying they felt good about Diz in the same post.
Maybe Marmot just didn't want to be on SIG?
I don't know. Most of what bothers me about marmot's posts probably have to do with their playstyle/his low activity thanks to other games. Nothing particularly useful, I think. Would lynch scotty over marmot. Unless contradicting themselves in order to seem agreeable and unsure is a Meta-Marmot-Metal-Marsh-Mafia-Move.
speedchuck is town or your money back.
Yeah...lol wat.Quin wrote:You have absolutely no reason to share that information.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Thanks for taking on the workload, Sloonbeard. I understand your trepidation with my Marmot stuff. You look very town in the assessment. My read on Marmot hinged a bit on his map claim. I thought it quite plausible he had the map since I was lying in part to cover him (and the little campaign with INH on Day 0 allowed him to have at least one vote I could identify). I didn't go after him since I thought he might have the map, and I didn't give him credit either since his map claim was first. When I gave Nacho that vague "might not be a town read" comment, I had the map in mind. Of the claimants to the map, I thought Marmot was the more likely to be a mafia gambit if untrue -- just because of his personality and style.
Anyway I am a 2-shot tracker and already used both. I thought my mappiness and my JJJness might get me killed early.
Player X targeted Quin on Night 1. I'll reveal who if given a good reason. This was what I was poking Quin about before.
Player Y targeted nobody last night. I'll again witthold the name for the time being. I don't know whether it's an unused shot or a passive role, and the distinction may be best kept quiet.
It's ok. My defense was pretty lackluster yesterday because I got lynched in GoC along the same lines of not being around to defend myself. And still wasn't around to really defend myself when the same thing was seemingly happening over here. So I was just like "fuck it".juliets wrote:Ok great. Don't bother to pull up specifics - I can look for the connections. I have not reviewed JJJ yet so missed that he had a related observation.nutella wrote:A lot of it has to do with connections to other players, including Marmot. When I looked at LC's ISO I got the feeling he's a likely teammate of Marmot's based a few things, and JJJ got the same feeling from Marmot's mentions of LC. I could look back and see if I can pull up specific places that support this feeling, but it's also kind of a general vibe, and also has a lot to do with connections I see to other players who I think could be marmot buddies -- there are several I have considered, but sketchy interactional reads re: LC have been the common denominator between all of them. To be fair, I flip-flopped on LC a fair amount for the first couple days as well, so it might just be that he looks ambiguous and so people have ambiguous feelings toward him, but that's easy for a teammate to hide in, so in my mind it increases the likelihood that I'm right about at least one or two of these possible connections I'm seeing.juliets wrote:nutella, when you are finished with your speedchuck research could you talk about your suspicion of LC? I am a notoriously bad reader of him - I once handed him the game when I was a civ and he was a baddie. I did skim through his posts and saw he changed to Marmot seemingly on your recommendation which I thought was a good thing but obviously you are seeing something else in him.
Scotty, I take back what I said about you not having any passion. I guess I'm going to have to suck it up and read yesterday's EOD to get the full flavor.
Reads to me as someone who probably didn't mind getting the hatchet. I wouldn't excuse anyone on MM as civ.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Thanks for the lynch! I can relax a little more easily now.
Thanks for the game sprityo!
It was quite enlightening reading back. I was like 2 hours behind when I read back at 10:40p and I was more or less focused on whether or not I got lynched to focus on the specifics. But his motivation makes absolutely no sense. To have a red read on 3 people, vote one, and then fully abandon the other 2, and in fact question whether or not they are TOP TOwN reads leaves me flabbergasted.nutella wrote:Just finished looking through speedchuck's posts and I am seeing some of the same things that Scotty mentions above. Definitely some weird waffling on MM. He quickly follows me in voting for him, only to switch back to Scotty. Then comes a lot of confusing flip-flopping: before those votes, he had done his Scotty ISO and then a quick one on MM, after which he seemed to have a pretty null read on MM. After he follows my vote, he says Marmot and INH are tied for his second-place scum read/lynch preference after Scotty, and puts them as red in his rainbow. He then switches his vote back to Scotty, says he likes INH's criticism of the MM train, and then suddenly makes that weird post saying he thinks MM and INH are town out of almost nowhere, and says he thinks it's very unlikely that MM and INH are scum. But then at the last minute he puts the finishing vote on MM. I don't really understand what happened in his mind there.
Part of me wants to feel the same way about him that I feel about Sloonei, that he was honestly changing his mind and was flip-flopping with good intentions. But part of me finds it pretty suspicious -- and it goes along with his flip-flopping in reads of LC as well. Early in the game he mentions several times how he could see LC as bad but leans slight town on him nonetheless. Then he goes back to a slight scumread of him after Strawhenge posts a case, but never follows that up. On Day 2 he says "LC gradually made more sense" and later that he's "looking better" and "I'm at a slight town read on him where I was once light scum." Next mention of LC is in the orange section of a rainbow with no explanation. WTF?? Like, I understand having trouble making up your mind on LC because that's how I felt for a while too, but saying you have a town read of him and then suddenly placing him at a solid orange without explaining why... that's textbook teammate behavior.
I know about the last point. You keep bringing that up.Sloonei wrote:You think I was steering things? That's remarkable. I had absolutely no idea what I was doing. A reminder once again that I had just subbed into this game during Day 2.Scotty wrote:Hi.Sloonei wrote:I also have to ask Scotty to elaborate on his scum read against me.
In light of rereading the last 7 pages of the EoD, you made bold decisions to turn the tide against Mm and onto me. Speed followed you around like a puppy.
In a way, that makes Speed look worse than you, but I'm not gonna lie: both of you made a joint effort to steer that lynch away from Mm from my perusal and when there was significant backlash to my lynch, only then did you both basically give up on me and seal the fate for MM.
I'd say you guys are looking pretty solidly bad as potential savers for MM.
Hi.Sloonei wrote:I also have to ask Scotty to elaborate on his scum read against me.
Why? No you didn't. They wereSpeedchuck wrote:7. I had opinions on Marmot. They were bad. They've been pacified by people who know him. If it weren't for their assurance, he'd be in my top three to lynch
Remembering this.speedchuck wrote:I gave 80% of this list, but it was spread over my posts today.
Fredwood
Golden
Nutella
Sloonei
Dyslexicon
Quin - I disagree a lot with Quin's reads. They don't seem like shade, though. D2 much higher than D1
Soneji
Silver Lantern
Strawhenge
JJJ
JackofHearts
LongCon
MM (marmot)
Scotty - My whole case from earlier. Also, when he responded, he said I was tunnelling, told me to ISO marmot. 1 post later, said marmot was town. Only read he gave was on INH.
insertnamehere - posted a huge thing against Dys, and I only agreed with one point on it. The rest looked like a scum filter over earnest attempts to help the town and one blunder. wasn't a huge fan beforehand, either.
The one point I did agree with on it is that Dizzy seems to go after people that considered him neutral. I don't really consider that scummy, but...
Dizzy has said like five times that they are suspicious of me, and haven't sent a vote or an explanation my way. Calling you out, Dizzybro. Put er up.
Might be voting INH in another few posts, or I might keep scotty or marmot. The culture here says not to throw your vote around every other post, so I won't.
Quite. As we would find out, the last 30 minutes was a cluster fuck.speedchuck wrote:Ah. I take that back.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:^Here's you saying you don't want to switch off that four person group, Speed.speedchuck wrote:I have no issue with any of those four lynches, though the idea of a Chinese Fire Drill scares me.
Am I misinterpreting that? You said I was lying...
No, you weren't intentionally lying.
Yes, you were misinterpreting it. The Chinese fire drill referred to switching off of SIG and onto another of those four people: sig, Elohcin, Sorsha/replacement, and DrWilgy. With the JJJ question in context, and as close to the end of the day as we were, I thought that was pretty clear. Just because I have no issue with the four lynches, doesn't mean I wasn't happy with others (though I'd have to look at my opinions at the time to tell you which ones). The CFD applied to those four, and to JJJ's question.
So I didn't want to switch in the four person group, in context.
You can still consider that scummy, if you want, though. I, being used to week-long cycles, am normally quite upset if there's no clear lynch by 5 hours till deadline. CFD in a 48 hour day is frightening.
This post was made right after Sloonei votes for me.speedchuck wrote:That post was the main reason I wasn't trying to push Scotty. I'd be happy to vote Scotty, honestly happier than with Marmot.Sloonei wrote:Assignment #2 is complete.
Remember when I said this?:Well...Sloonei wrote:A note: When I've caught Scotty as scum before, it's been for contradictions and inconsistencies in his behavior.
If most of the active players would give reads of Scotty and Marmot, that'd be fantastic. Maybe throw some INH vs Dizzy in there, which most of you are already doing.
I think we have many better options for a lynch than Eloh, if anyone is still on them.
My preference of lynch, in order:
1. Scotty
2. Marmot/INH (Tie, really)
Oh, so that's all it took? Remember that post he made an hour ago saying he wouldn't throw his post around? Yeah, here we are.speedchuck wrote:Because you meta-readers shut me down when I originally advocated for it.Sloonei wrote: I'm gonna start advocating for a Scotty lynch. Hey everyone, why aren't you voting for Scotty?
Vote Scotty
Wtf? What the actual fuck? What happened to the red MM/INH/Scotty being your biggest scum reads? Now the first two are TOWN?speedchuck wrote:What is I think you're all three town ATMinsertnamehere wrote: What about if we just go ahead and lynch Dys, then you can figure out me and Marmot's alignment?
WOW is anyone else seeing this? Mm even calls him out on it, which in and of itself is pure WIFOM, but he's all but dropped his suspicion of anyone else except me. I'd bet on him if he were a horse, because he's got LAZER FOCUS.speedchuck wrote:Some things have changes since my last rainbow.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't understand.speedchuck wrote:What is I think you're all three town ATMinsertnamehere wrote: What about if we just go ahead and lynch Dys, then you can figure out me and Marmot's alignment?
Your last rainbow says otherwise.
If you two are scum (yes you are lumped together), you have GIGANTIC BALLS to be pulling all of this. TBH, I almost think I'm wrong about Dizzy now. Almost. Not quite.
I can hardly keep up with the posts right now.
Scotty is my most confident read too.
SL, I believe you now because of the reveal that you have more vigs. Falsifiable and unbalanced as scum. Good for my read, bad for your survivability. Protectives take note. Wish you hadn't said that.
Are...are you saying INH and MM moved into your SUPER DUPER town list? WHAT ON GODS GREEN EARTH.speedchuck wrote:I honestly can't see INH and Marmot being scum at this point. Mostly because of how blatant everything right now is with them trying to kill Dys.nutella wrote: I went over this in a post soon after INH's big ISO. I see heavy connections between INH and Marmot (there were some soft defenses in that iso post, for one thing), and I feel an anti-alignment between that pair and between Dys and JJJ because most of INH's ISO was promoting the idea that Dys and JJJ could be baddie teammates. So, if Marmot flips civ, I'd be more inclined to trust INH, and thus more inclined to entertain the notion that Dys/JJJ are bad.
But I thought all this time that Dys was town.
I do see that same thing though, yeah.
Disclaimer for me: I WILL literally vote for anyone that isn't in my SUPER DUPER town list to secure a lynch.
My SUPER DUPER town list is being shaken up.
Why do you guys post so much this close to deadline? Agh post earlier so we can sort things out
Oops. He forgot his scum mate.speedchuck wrote:My bad. Meant metalmarshinsertnamehere wrote:speedchuck wrote: I'm ballsy/stupid enough to do so, but Sloonei usually isn't.
The final and locking vote for a lynch. Thanks to Sloonei and chuck for actually bringing a lynch today. It sure sounds like speed isn't happy about it, but HEY! It didn't end in a no-lynch, so that's good right?speedchuck wrote:Dammit
Vote mM
That's beneficial to both parties and you know it.speedchuck wrote:I'm fishing for Wilgy's role. You know, the dead guy. I feel like that much info would be valuable to town, should it be provided.Jackofhearts2005 wrote:If you believe Silver, why are you fishing for more info about his role?speedchuck wrote:There goes the pants.Silver Lantern wrote:Okay I've sat on this long enough that we've seen people comment on Wigly and others avoid doing so, despite my request.
I killed Wigly, and unfortunately he was town. Sorry Wigly, but there was really nothing constructive at all from you on D1 when I ISOed you and i figured after Sig turned up town that taking out another suspicious D1 player would give us the most info on the reads of others towards you D1 as I was really hoping I was right about you being scum.
I don't know exactly what you are claiming, but would you please clarify:
Did you get Wigly's entire role, or just alignment?
I would ask, if this is a one-shot ability (a question on its own), why did you use it on day one? But I feel like any answer to that question would provide more value to mafia than town. I say this as a person used to power-claims. Please don't answer these latter questions unless you have a very good reason for doing so.
For the record, I tentatively believe Silver Lantern on this one.
I feel like info related to the one-shottedness of SL's role or role-related reasons for killing D1 (which I wouldn't do as a vig) would be of negative value to town. This is the conclusion I came to, based on my time playing. I can further explain my reasoning, should it be required, but I don't think that's your point.
If you disagree, please say so before he replies, and explain why. And if SL disagrees (having more information than I do), then he can ignore me. Edit before posting: As he (apparently) did.
Wait, that's it? You linked to one post, and said it was "interesting"? With a Question Mark??speedchuck wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 78#p335178
This post is interesting because it contradicts itself? It, at the beginning of the post, says that logic points to Dizzy doing an on-purpose fakeslip.
Then says later in the thread that it is an accident.
Then I think they ended the day on Dizzy, despite saying they felt good about Diz in the same post.
Maybe Marmot just didn't want to be on SIG?
I don't know. Most of what bothers me about marmot's posts probably have to do with their playstyle/his low activity thanks to other games. Nothing particularly useful, I think. Would lynch scotty over marmot. Unless contradicting themselves in order to seem agreeable and unsure is a Meta-Marmot-Metal-Marsh-Mafia-Move.
Where was I? Not in other games? Oh right, marmot and I were in the same game of champions and both of us had stuff on our plates. But why does he get a pass? Did you even ISO his post history? 1) as cliche as it sounds, time constraints. It's been quite the exhausting week here in Canada and the only time I have service are during shows and at the hotel, where I have commitments. So during the show as t is, I'm doing less responding and more initial thoughts.juliets wrote:I read Scotty's posts and speedchucks case on him. Scotty, I'm not loving that you didn't put a good defense out there to what speedchuck posted. It seemed like you addressed all things that were thrown out there about you in GOC, in fact even showed anger at some (the fake peak issue) but in this case you kind of just skipped right over the accusations and didn't show any passion about there being a case. What's the reason you didn't put on a defense here?
That you took the time to back up your feelings here actually make me feel better about you and that you are coming from a genuine suspicion. Yeah, this is what I do when I'm getting lynched. It's not really alignment indicative, regardless of what people seem to be so smug about when they catch me in those positions.Sloonei wrote:The tone of this post resonated vaguely for me back to Rocky and Bullwinkle, in which Scotty was bad almost exactly 1 year ago to the day. He was caught early by a certain valiant townie and responded with a similar tone when he was going down. Here's a comparable post. Tells us not to vote for him and such without doing much to actually respond to the cases being made.Scotty wrote:Stop voting me. I'd rather not be lynched at the same time as I was lynched in GoC while being incapacitatwd by no cell plAn
I see speedchuck still hasn't let go of my case, thAts ok fine.
Sloon, that post you were referencing has no contradiction. I prefer to vote no posters or no shows on Day 1, but it really looked like he slipped. I'm gonna reference a similar case in GoC because I'm dead there but a similar thing caught my attention when Wilgy dropped "info" on Golden in that game. I took it as a fact. This looked similar, in the sense that it looked plain as day.
I'm sorry you don't like friendly Scotty. I've been in a pretty happy place recently so whatevs.
Just lynch me. That's fine.
If I am more suspicious for doing little drop ins that you people don't call helpful, that's fine. Let Elo, who it's admitted her head isn't in the game, continue to play. That's perfectly fine.
Granted, this might just be how he responds to things. I'll go look for townie Scotty lynches. They're not hard to find.
Sloonei wrote:EBWOP: *goodSloonei wrote:I never dropped any such "why not" on you, and I'm not voicing any confidence that Elohcin is *bad*. I just think I've found more evidence to suggest you are town.Scotty wrote:Sloonei, while you're busy advocating do my lynch because "why not?" I ask, why not Elo?
Sloonei wrote:I am compelled to yell and scream and tell everyone to get their votes away from there.Quin wrote:I don't, but I think that marmot is in soft lynch territory at the moment.Sloonei wrote:Who's got a tally?
One thing to note is that, while I suspect Scotty a bit for the way he stated his suspicion against Elohcin, I would not rule out the possibility that that was a bus attempt (assuming Scotty is bad). Elohcin would be a prime bus candidate right now.
I'm gonna start advocating for a Scotty lynch. Hey everyone, why aren't you voting for Scotty?
Why not dump some info, Quin? Got some junk in your trunk?Quin wrote:I want Sloonei to say more about how I should be familiar with info-dumping setups.
Yeah man I've been acting for years.Golden wrote:Where is lc? He was here.
Hey, you went all epi on me, but I was the only kiwi at the twble lol all my wife's family are here it's so Aussie I need a Canadian or two. Scotty you count as a Canadian today you're there.
What are you acting?
