The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:44 pm (Coming from the guy that comes out today making accusations and leading the thread)
Oh, are you leading the thread?

I’m sure throwing a lot of shit at the wall in a short period of time, aren’t I?

I know, I know, leadings a tough job, but someone has to do it

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:42 pm Nah, I think Long Con’s a wolf.
His iso since his tunnel on me is filled with a bunch of nodding and ‘oh yeah’s’ that amount to nothing.

Like, he’s here, and cordial, and isn’t rocking the boat. Beyond that, he seems reticent to make any strong pushes on anyone.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Ok, I literally just accused Manny of being Caesar's Legion, but ok.

And I still separate my plastic for recycling

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:46 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:39 pm One kill. Hmm. That points to a not SK or poisoner, as there aren’t a lot of protects in this game. Mr house is probably an arsonist. That’s an annoying role who can hide anywhere so I guess it’s gonna be hard pressed to 3p hunt this game.

Ok, I see manny claims to have watched falcon visit Seanzie. The weirdest part to me is how only falcon seemed to have visited Seanzie, the counter wagon. Literally blows my mind. But I believe Manny’s claim, and falcon could literally be any of the roles. He could be the mafia poisoner, which would explain Seanzie’s death. Except mafia also get a factional kill so that doesn’t seem likely.

I feel like this is a set up to get Lime Coke yeeted. I don’t feel like falling on those obvious spikes

[VOTE: dunnstral] aubergine let’s start here again.
Third sentence about Lime Coke makes no sense. And voting me after makes no sense either.

Lime and Seanzie had a spat, Lime Coke still had him as a suspect, and Seanzie had Lime as a top suspect for almost the whole game. How does that not make sense?

Voting you is exclusive of the rest of my post, I’ll give you that

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 10:47 pm [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Did the city council finally deny your billboard advertisements?

This is a weird vote

(Coming from the guy that comes out today making accusations and leading the thread)

Why is Mac still alive? That’s fishy. Where did we get with Mac post capping yesterday? And why is that supposed to be towny?

As you can see, I’m growing more paranoid of the big talkers as we fail to get any traction. Gotta start looking at the paper trails

Nah, I think Long Con’s a wolf.
His iso since his tunnel on me is filled with a bunch of nodding and ‘oh yeah’s’ that amount to nothing.

Like, he’s here, and cordial, and isn’t rocking the boat. Beyond that, he seems reticent to make any strong pushes on anyone.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

One kill. Hmm. That points to a not SK or poisoner, as there aren’t a lot of protects in this game. Mr house is probably an arsonist. That’s an annoying role who can hide anywhere so I guess it’s gonna be hard pressed to 3p hunt this game.

Ok, I see manny claims to have watched falcon visit Seanzie. The weirdest part to me is how only falcon seemed to have visited Seanzie, the counter wagon. Literally blows my mind. But I believe Manny’s claim, and falcon could literally be any of the roles. He could be the mafia poisoner, which would explain Seanzie’s death. Except mafia also get a factional kill so that doesn’t seem likely.

I feel like this is a set up to get Lime Coke yeeted. I don’t feel like falling on those obvious spikes

[VOTE: dunnstral] aubergine let’s start here again.

Hi all; sorry I disappeared yesterday. I actually haven’t read any of end of day, and don’t even know what happened with manny claiming. Did anyone else claim?

At a D&D convention. Someone fill me in, I see manny claimed something.

Looks like the vote is between nook and Chelsea. Is that right?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:38 pm The repeated LanMisa/Scotty exchange looks like treading water in spite of there being more like reads and reasoning in those posts than the rest of the thread.

Sorry, I’m looking back at your lanmisa/me thoughts and I come to this from yesterday.

Then I looked at my own posts and I think I only responded/mentioned lanmisa once before this, by putting them into their own category without explanation.

So..,what are you even referring to here?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:58 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 3:54 pm Does his opinion of me being ‘obviously town’ have any bearing?
The last time Brad told me someone was so obviously town they were the last mafia and I never read the slot because I trusted his read there.

However if Brad looked me in the eye and said "yeah Scotty is just town" I'd leave you alone until I couldn't probably.

Well, you’d be hard pressed to get someone on forum to look you in the eye unless you’re exactly part of the matrix, but:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:17 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:06 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:47 pm Fuck it Scotty can be town.
So you agree that Michelle is hitting some gnarly notes?
Not yet but obviously I know how to read you and how you play.
{snip}

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:36 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:20 pm Why is it "obviously"?
I wolfed with him a few years ago.

Granted I think I've only played with him when he's been town ever since then.

I feel like that game allowed me to really tell the difference in between his town and wolf games.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:00 pm
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:14 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:11 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:08 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:07 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:06 am Not much, finishing paperwork, eating a brownie.

Mafia sux go find them for me so I can sheep o7
Idk I'd have to read more than broseph and Brad going back and forth while Brad takes potshots at every other dude in the game and that seems like work smhsmh
Brad takes potshots at everyone that isn't a woman.

But good news me and him are both in our town meta come join the towncore baby with Lanmisa <3
Ehhhhh idk brad can be b****y as mafia sometimes too now tbh

Do you think Sean is town
I think there Iso is mid and idm if the slot goes over but if it's a villager we are voting in Mac/Scotty until 1 of them flips red.
You seriously don’t think we could all be town?
Sure there could be a world where Town is just eating each other alive but I have a hard problem thinking the easy route of "wow everyone is town and it's just non-active posters is all wolves" is the right one.

Of course, it has been but you could just say I have paranoia over it.

If Lime Coke hadn’t randomly thrown a shield over you at beginning of day, I’d be hard pressed scumreading you. I think Lime giving that read has to be acknowledged regardless of his alignment and it’s frankly annoying because confidence is magnetic.

I was asking if you could summon up a world where Mac/seanzie/myself are all town, and you respond here with ‘all of the non-active posters’ can’t be wolves. That’s not what we’re talking about, unless you think Mac/sean/i are the only active posters.
Plus here you are voting one of the most inactive posters in the game.

I don’t think town is eating each other alive. Dunno what narrative that is.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:39 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:23 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:07 pm
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:00 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:56 am
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:53 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 7:55 am Okay. So I went from "players I don't explicitly townread" list, to "everyone come on, vote Long Con!!" without a single reason why. It's like you just picked a name from your list and just *decided* to try and get a wagon started.

I think you're done here, other LC. [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
Sure, but even if they did that I don't think that makes them mafia
Heya Dunn. Summarize the day for me. This is not me using you to ketchup. This is me not having a read on you and me wanting to get your pov on events so don’t like ignore me.
Macdougall looked good at the start of the day with long analysis posts, but as the day went on their posts veered more towards short antagonistic posts.
Lime Coke vs Seanzie seems to be motivated by a grudge.
Lanmisa made a lot of posts I considered insightful.
Manny has been making an effort to find mafia.
Chelsea is voting people just for pressure.
Creature popped in once and made a nothing post.
Nanook made several nothing posts.
There is no vs. here. I would agree that it feels to me like Lime has a grudge, but I do not. If you'd like to talk about Lime with me, I am open to that, but this is not a good summary of that specific subplot.

Could you point out where Manny is doing this? I think this is a place that you and I differ, and it would help me sort you (and Manny possibly) if we could find where that difference is.
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Those are all posts, and while I can see why they could be considered evidence for what you said, I find almost every post there shallow and lacking. I'd be remiss if I didn't say that I am worried about you finding this compelling, but perhaps there is some meta between you two? If not, do you have any insight into why you and I are seeing these posts differently?

Just considering these posts, I see that he seemed to be considering a w!Scotty world, but that didn't show up in his later PoE of [Nanook, TSP, Epi, LongCon]. That PoE is essentially those that aren't giving a lot of content, and while sure, these are all worrisome names, I don't think anyone should get town!points for pointing this out. That also covers two other posts you quote - pointing out that TSP and Epi don't have a lot of content isn't bad, but I don't think this is prime wolfhunting. The remaining two posts here are a Brad vs. Seanzie post, which doesn't really seek to solve between me and Brad (Manny seems to townread Brad and scumread me, but we're a diffcheck because "annoying"? Yeah, Brad calling me an idiot is annoying, that doesn't make this a difference check.) The final post is a wagon-analysis, not a bad thing to do, but aside from scotty ending up on bottom, there isn't any reasoning given for the list ordering, and this is essentially a formulaic thing.

I'm very sorry, but I have a hard time looking at these posts and objectively saying that Manny is doing a good enough job wolfhunting to warrant an entire line in your summary of the thread. I'd love to hear from you why I'm wrong though.

@Epignosis get your courier ass #5 off Seanzie. This guy is town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:23 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:17 pm Out of date rainbow for Seanzie

TOWN
LC
Epi (not gonna explain this one til it matters for reasons)

TOWNISH
Seanzie
Lime
Mac

NO CLUE
Dunn
Tony
Manny
Nook
Falcon
Chelsea
Creature

SCUMISH
Scotty
LanMisa

Don’t take anything but the LC and Epi reads to the bank just yet.
Even if I don't take it to the bank, can you say something about Scotty and LanMisa? These are reads that are pretty far removed from what I'd consider the thread consensus (especially the LanMisa read).
I didn’t like their long running D1 interaction. Looked fake. Looked like they weren’t trying to read each other. Don’t take it to the bank cause like they have a lot of other content I haven’t looked at.

Wait, you’re calling us scummish because we didn’t really interact D1?

The hell kinda read is that? I think I didn’t interact with you either. By that logic, you should be in the same pile

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 12:17 pm Out of date rainbow for Seanzie

TOWN
LC
Epi (not gonna explain this one til it matters for reasons)

TOWNISH
Seanzie
Lime
Mac

NO CLUE
Dunn
Tony
Manny
Nook
Falcon
Chelsea
Creature

SCUMISH
Scotty
LanMisa

Don’t take anything but the LC and Epi reads to the bank just yet.

Talk to me about why your SCUMISH reads and TOWN reads are backwards.

LanMila is my top town lol

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:42 am Nanook has 3 votes and he probably deserves it because I can’t recall a single post he’s made all game.

Spoiler: show
Thats a joke.

Why is that a joke?

Here’s my favorite joke: what did one snowman say to the other snowman?

Spoiler: show

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 11:34 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:00 am Dunn feels like they're posting EXACTLY the way they described their town meta, so much so it feels scripted
I'm not sure if this is a real opinion. What are you expecting from me if I am town?

That’s exactly what a wolf Dunnstral would say to appear town!

No but you’re right, and the existing presumption is self fulfilling. I just can’t put my finger on it, but the *flow* of your posts is lacking, while the content and the direction is there. Shit, I can’t explain it

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:47 am He's post capped but what the fuck ever.

If I die he should go next 100%.

Don't let him talk his way out of it.

My dude, what are we even talking about

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:45 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:56 am Ur mafia because when I dropped my poe Brad decided to go immediately into wifom antispew townreading you which is how wolf mac treats wolf teammates.

Wait hold the fucking phone.

Where the fuck did this come from?

Where in the blue hell did I townread Long Con?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:42 am I literally checked my iso to make sure because I actually don't remember townreading him, and I'm right I never expressed a townread.

Mac legit is lying out of his ass.

This dude's fucking mafia.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
@Chelsea @Manny @LanMisa @Scotty @Jackofhearts2005

Get on let's fucking go.

I don’t understand the assignment.

Isn’t Mac responding to Chelsea? You did indeed hard defend her. I don’t see any mention of LC, unless you’re just talking about yourself

Yeahhhh I dunno how I feel about LC going over.

Are we sure there has to be a difference check in Seanzie/Lime?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:56 am Ur mafia because when I dropped my poe Brad decided to go immediately into wifom antispew townreading you which is how wolf mac treats wolf teammates.

Wait hold the fucking phone.

Where the fuck did this come from?

Where in the blue hell did I townread Long Con?

Why are you asking me? I don’t know man, I don’t know!?

I’m holding the phone with baited breath tho

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:27 am I love how the same 4 person wagon is just stuck on me.

Love this game.

What hath Chelsea wrought that besworn yourself to her?

I’m just realizing there’s no cops or BTSC chat in this game in the civ side, just a bunch of happenstance tracking and watching.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2024 4:26 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:57 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 7:03 am Townread:
Michelle
Chelsea
Scotty

Townlean:
Manny
Dunnstral

I added Dunnstral to townleans because I think...whatever he's doing is towny.

What are your actual scum reads? I saw you implore Mac not to vote Chelsea, which is passively giving Mac a TR as well...so who aren't you TRing?
You,
Creature
TSP
Nanook
Long Con
Epi
Seanzie

I think that's it?

That's probably it.
Gotta check vote count hold on.

Holy hell Batman, that’s a lot of scum reads.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:07 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:26 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:10 am I haven't read the whole game but I read enough to get to confidence with these reads. I also actually think Epignosis has kind of softed himself as the Courierrole but I'm not really 3p hunting because frankly it does not comply with how I read games in that I sort people by the level of believability in the choices they make.

Which now that I have articulated, kind of ... makes me see Chelsea ever so slightly more favourably. And also Creature. So I suppose I could call them upper POE, with Jack, Bradley and Falcon as the lower POE.
Okay, so imagine me being on page 21, seeing you make more reasonable posts, playing much more akin to how I'd expect you to play as town, having a take on Chelsea that got me thinking (alongside Scotty's take the page before)... and then you drop the bolded and I'm back to shaking my head. Like, what is this kind of post going to achieve here? Are you wolfing or are you just intentionally trying to stay alive longer by acting wolfy between solving?

Trying to figure you out is most likely going to be the most frustrating experience in this game. You switch so hard between extremely wolfy and very towny, sometimes between pages... I really have no idea where I should sort you.

Gonna leave the vote for now while I read more posts but... I feel like I need to see your flip this game before I feel safe to put you into any category this time.
Going against the grain Mac hunting feels towny. I think you’re town.

Mac doesn’t come off as wolfy to me atm. Granted, I feel like I’ve only played a few games with wolf Mac and he seemed more chaotic, but that was a bit ago now.
I'll...not go there today(this phase), I am clearly biased at that point, but getting bullied in broad daylight does that to you.

A bit unfortunate that we seem to have missed each other this phase so far, I was looking forward to do some solving together in real-time.

It’s ok, I’m sure we’ll have a chance to talk tomorrow

Unless we die

But nah, that would be too easy

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:55 pm Good afternoon

How are we doing?

Good, we yeeted your partner sig yesterday!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:38 pm

I wanna keep this around, if only because I want to hear more about Scotty brand toilet paper.

Summarizing Epi’s reads:
-he trusts LanMila and we should sheep that
-Lime Coke had his spats with Seanzie and I and we should keep Lime Coke around
-War never changes

At least that’s what I got out of it

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:44 pm
Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:16 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:14 am Refresh me on your Epi wolfread Manny?
They have a grand total of 0 townie or productive posts.
ngl i wouldnt be shocked if they still flip town anyways but i see no point in not resolving the slot.

All right, now I KNOW Epi’s wolfing. He has a typo on his billboard. Wolf.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:33 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:24 pm
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:24 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:14 pm @Scotty give me your top 3 town please.

@Seanzie yours too please.
I should mention because I was thinking of Seanzie- he would’ve been a GREAT vig target.

If we had a vig, I would have assumed they would’ve shot yesterday. I do not think we have a vig (this is all based on how I would play of course)

Anyway, 3 town? Hmmmmm

So I did some thinking in the night and Dunnstral should be town, but I’m actually thinking they could be exactly a deepwolf in the making. The way they were pocketing me was very smooth and I chalked it up to me just being town as shit yesterday (I know, I know, only a few groupies agreed) but I think I might be getting it all wrong. Might be. Too scared to vote there tho.

That didn’t answer your question.

LanMila had some good back and forth. Not tooo blendy, and not scared to make reads.
Ironically, I think you came out of yesterday being pretty towny. I’ve flip flopped on you in my head and will probably do so as the day goes on, but for now you’re town to me.

I was coming around on Creature. He has emerged in the back half of the day as someone I wouldn’t mind borrowing my sugar
Hi, Scotty, I think I asked you yesterday already but I'd like your help in building a stance on Dunnstral who flies a bit under my personal radar. I see that you read him off of personal interactions, which is something I tend to do as well, but do you have experience with Dunn? Like, you are afraid of a potential deep wolf but have you seen Dunn take such strategies before or is that a general "I don't want to be snowed" stance?

Like, I get the aspect of questioning everything but being too paranoid can destroy town cohesiveness.
Yeah, I getcha.

I’ve never played with Dunn (or you for that matter) so personal feeling is all I’ve got.

Dunnstral is hitting all the right notes. Isn’t afraid to ask pointed questions. In some ways, has been parroting my thought process in their own way. All of that rings town to me.
On the other hand, because I don’t know them as a player I’m putting up a shield because of how smooth they are. I’m putting up this tinfoil now because I think if they’re town, and we start producing I’ll feel better. But if they’re still alive after a couple phases, it might be time to reassess
My perception of Dunnstral changed actually because of something you just said ... kind of "Isn't afraid to ask pointed questions"... I felt like they did ask a lot of questions, but many of them seemed like softballs , and I didn't really see what they did with them. Did they synthesize the answers into anything, or are they just asking questions to look engaged? I had a hard time saying they did the first thing, and I looked at ONE of their quoted town games, and at least early game, they didn't look anything like this.

Ugh yeah I didn’t check for a followup

Feeling spicy

[VOTE: Dunnstral] aubergine

On the Lime Coke front…what are you guys doing?

If Lime Coke is the yeet today and flips wolf, I think Chelsea looks GREAT. Am I wrong?

I think it’s suspect of Nook to be voting there- I don’t get the impression he’s fully into the game yet, and is part of the leading wagon. Throws red flags to me

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:15 am also scotty fell off today and i dislike that cuz it makes me think of worlds of w!Scotty and thats harder than worlds of "the shrug people being wolves"

My activity level is not AI. If anything, lately, my wolf rands have = top poster status.

I’m just busy

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:12 am hmmm chelsea/mac is prolly either w/v or v/v.
if v/v then brad is also V
i dont really feel like resolving this today either way though

Kinda where I’m at

Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:07 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:00 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:57 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)

I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.
While I do feel okay with your catchup that I saw so far I don't see a Scotty wolf world here and I think that basing a read off of pre-flip associations is iffy.

I agree with Long Con's approach to me being towny though.

Also, the post after you went "TSP or Falcon, then Scotty or Sean" and I cannot follow that kind of logic. Would you do that regardless of who dies D2 and regardless of their alignment or...?
I think TSP and Falcon need to post more to get any sort of read on them (although others think they've posted enough take it as you will)

I think Sean and Scotty have had bad posts in general. Does that explain it?
Which posts from Scotty are bad? I see nothing but forward-thinking and solving posts from Scotty and I disagree hard with that stance.

I agree with Sean (talked about that yesterday enough) but got a more neutral feeling at the end of yesterday.

What makes TSP/Falcon different from Sean (not Scotty) with regards how you want to tackle them phase-wise?
I don't think solving posts in and of themselves are towny, and they certainly aren't where I play from. I've seen this statement tossed out by more than just you but unless a player is extremely polarized the amount of solving posts they make has nothing when actions and results also need to be taken account for. Let us just assume for example I am getting snowed by wolf!Lime (and that's giving a lot of BTOD) I think a lot of Scotty's posting has been very wolf-agenda coded. Esp early posting.

i find it hard to find the stances they've taken this game believable considering the 2 main wagons yall ended up on and then now are deciding "ah yes we must simply follow the same outlook." There's almost no sense of what feels to me genuine reflection or town trying to figure out the game. If you have really good reasons to TR them I'd like to hear it.

You can have low posts and still be wolfy and while I feel TSP/Falcon had next to 0 AI posts Sean's posting clearly had some attempts to them. I need more from TSP/Falcon to general to get a read on them, I don't with Sean.

ah k, I see your reasoning.

I just think all things considered, even if Lime is wolf, I don’t believe he would nakedly defend you, his partner, coming into the day. I can’t deny the level of confidence he has in calling you and I both town.

Does his opinion of me being ‘obviously town’ have any bearing?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:00 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:30 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:23 am
Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:22 am I think falcon is way more likely than not villa btw.
I still think Lan is an IC
Mac and Creature can still be town

I kinda wanna kill Chels but im too much of a coward to actually push that today so i'd settle for TSP or Epi ig.
Thoughts on Mac and Chelsea?

Also I see falcon being floated around, falcon completely fell below my radar so far, but then again so did TSP and (for a long time) Sig and... too many others.

You can find me on sonar or lidar, but I am immune to radio waves
Okay, but what's your stances on the game? Where is your head at? What do you think about your wagon, and why?

I don't think I've seen you post much content I found meaningful and I'd rather see more.

I don't care if folks vote for me, it's happened before and it'll happen again

I can't see any reason to find Epi town

Dunn feels like they're posting EXACTLY the way they described their town meta, so much so it feels scripted

I'm undecided if LC's anger is towny self-righteousness or snared wolf

Dammit falcon, I agree with all those points. Like all of them. GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:57 am
LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 10:28 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 4:51 am Falcon I just want to play more, it's the slot you probably want to vig shoot over exeing because there's just nothing in it. The can't make lylo player until they post well. . .any opinion. (Curious as I wasn't expecting Lime and Dunnstral to also be on here. Did Dunn's LHF clause only count for D1?)

I have Longcon as a villager because they're not wolf with Mac or Scotty and if both those slots are a villager with how high volume of their. . .confidence we're in trouble. (I think Scotty's wolf equality is pretty high though) Independent of that the convo with Lanmisa felt pretty good so yeah.
While I do feel okay with your catchup that I saw so far I don't see a Scotty wolf world here and I think that basing a read off of pre-flip associations is iffy.

I agree with Long Con's approach to me being towny though.

Also, the post after you went "TSP or Falcon, then Scotty or Sean" and I cannot follow that kind of logic. Would you do that regardless of who dies D2 and regardless of their alignment or...?
I think TSP and Falcon need to post more to get any sort of read on them (although others think they've posted enough take it as you will)

I think Sean and Scotty have had bad posts in general. Does that explain it?

Please point on the doll to where the bad posts are?

LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:10 am I haven't read the whole game but I read enough to get to confidence with these reads. I also actually think Epignosis has kind of softed himself as the Courierrole but I'm not really 3p hunting because frankly it does not comply with how I read games in that I sort people by the level of believability in the choices they make.

Which now that I have articulated, kind of ... makes me see Chelsea ever so slightly more favourably. And also Creature. So I suppose I could call them upper POE, with Jack, Bradley and Falcon as the lower POE.
Okay, so imagine me being on page 21, seeing you make more reasonable posts, playing much more akin to how I'd expect you to play as town, having a take on Chelsea that got me thinking (alongside Scotty's take the page before)... and then you drop the bolded and I'm back to shaking my head. Like, what is this kind of post going to achieve here? Are you wolfing or are you just intentionally trying to stay alive longer by acting wolfy between solving?

Trying to figure you out is most likely going to be the most frustrating experience in this game. You switch so hard between extremely wolfy and very towny, sometimes between pages... I really have no idea where I should sort you.

Gonna leave the vote for now while I read more posts but... I feel like I need to see your flip this game before I feel safe to put you into any category this time.

Going against the grain Mac hunting feels towny. I think you’re town.

Mac doesn’t come off as wolfy to me atm. Granted, I feel like I’ve only played a few games with wolf Mac and he seemed more chaotic, but that was a bit ago now.

LanMisa wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:24 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:14 pm @Scotty give me your top 3 town please.

@Seanzie yours too please.
I should mention because I was thinking of Seanzie- he would’ve been a GREAT vig target.

If we had a vig, I would have assumed they would’ve shot yesterday. I do not think we have a vig (this is all based on how I would play of course)

Anyway, 3 town? Hmmmmm

So I did some thinking in the night and Dunnstral should be town, but I’m actually thinking they could be exactly a deepwolf in the making. The way they were pocketing me was very smooth and I chalked it up to me just being town as shit yesterday (I know, I know, only a few groupies agreed) but I think I might be getting it all wrong. Might be. Too scared to vote there tho.

That didn’t answer your question.

LanMila had some good back and forth. Not tooo blendy, and not scared to make reads.
Ironically, I think you came out of yesterday being pretty towny. I’ve flip flopped on you in my head and will probably do so as the day goes on, but for now you’re town to me.

I was coming around on Creature. He has emerged in the back half of the day as someone I wouldn’t mind borrowing my sugar
Hi, Scotty, I think I asked you yesterday already but I'd like your help in building a stance on Dunnstral who flies a bit under my personal radar. I see that you read him off of personal interactions, which is something I tend to do as well, but do you have experience with Dunn? Like, you are afraid of a potential deep wolf but have you seen Dunn take such strategies before or is that a general "I don't want to be snowed" stance?

Like, I get the aspect of questioning everything but being too paranoid can destroy town cohesiveness.

Yeah, I getcha.

I’ve never played with Dunn (or you for that matter) so personal feeling is all I’ve got.

Dunnstral is hitting all the right notes. Isn’t afraid to ask pointed questions. In some ways, has been parroting my thought process in their own way. All of that rings town to me.
On the other hand, because I don’t know them as a player I’m putting up a shield because of how smooth they are. I’m putting up this tinfoil now because I think if they’re town, and we start producing I’ll feel better. But if they’re still alive after a couple phases, it might be time to reassess

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:22 am Probably dying but whatever.

Like I said if I die then never vote out Chelsea.

Oh! Right, I forgot about this.

Probably a good look for Chelsea regardless.

And me too, right? Wondering why I’m also not someone we should never vote out

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:14 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:11 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:08 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:07 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:06 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:04 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 6:04 am NANOOK IS HERE?

MY GOAT.

HIIIIIII IT'S BEEN TOO LONG <3333
Ayyyyyy

Sup?? <3
Not much, finishing paperwork, eating a brownie.

Mafia sux go find them for me so I can sheep o7
Idk I'd have to read more than broseph and Brad going back and forth while Brad takes potshots at every other dude in the game and that seems like work smhsmh
Brad takes potshots at everyone that isn't a woman.

But good news me and him are both in our town meta come join the towncore baby with Lanmisa <3
Ehhhhh idk brad can be b****y as mafia sometimes too now tbh

Do you think Sean is town
I think there Iso is mid and idm if the slot goes over but if it's a villager we are voting in Mac/Scotty until 1 of them flips red.

You seriously don’t think we could all be town?

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:47 am Also i saw Mac earlier saying wolves doing 2 nk's but both nk's arent necessarily wolves, could be 3p for one of them.

That was me

Indies verifiably can’t have made a kill last night, and town vig should not have made any of those kills unless they were going for unsubstantiated hero shot.

Its either the courier or that Three legged white lotus in mafia

Manny wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:45 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 5:44 am What in Falcon or tony's iso makes them not rand to you and why is Mac town?
Ill wait for Falcon to start postting to re-confirm my read or back off from it.
Mac just reminds me of me my semifinals champs game and he was V there.

It doesnt really have to do with us being pals and moreso that if im wrong and i actually get u killed is probably some degree of gamelosing and if you are actually a wolf i can /probably/ get around to it later.

Sounds like you’re hesitant to vote anyone because you could be wrong. But, you’re gonna be wrong on things. Happens. But waiting and seeing how things progress is…unproductive on the long run.

What does wolf Chelsea look like that we aren’t currently seeing, as you seem to know them more than me?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 1:58 pm Will catch up a few hours before EoD because I was banned from mafia for the holiday :^)

Were you wanted by the Seminole nation too?

[VOTE: Chelsea] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:27 pm As a life update I am now wanted by the Seminole Nation

And he was never heard from again.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:50 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:46 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:39 am This actually feels like backed up town Brad tbh. Which surprises me, I was fairly confident he was mafia here. But this is not how he reacts to being pressured by me usually.
Feels like overly cross and frustrated Brad. Caught for flimsy reasons
No, it feels like pissed off town Brad. Wolf Brad is not usually remotely as surly. His first post there when he said its okay to push him but please dont push precious Chelsea is right out of his wolf playbook but then he got stroppy and started slangin insults. Brad tries very hard not to line cross because he loves mafia and the community and hates getting banned and he has a lot easier time controlling his emotions as a wolf than he does as a townie I think. Also I think his values mean he actually outright refuses to be salty and obnoxious as mafia on purpose ie. he doesn't weaponise ATE, so when he has it it's genuine.

You may be right and he's genuinely pissed about being pushed by Seanzie as a wolf, that's plausible. But I've been quite reasonable and giving him some olive branches that I think wolf Brad would have taken the opportunity to grasp onto and he kinda didn't, kinda spat at me.

I’ll take it into consideration.

I just generally try not to let AtE get in the way of suspecting someone.
If it really is just an out of character admission for wolf, then sure, I could move.

I don’t think Seanzie and Lime Coke are teamed at least

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:39 am This actually feels like backed up town Brad tbh. Which surprises me, I was fairly confident he was mafia here. But this is not how he reacts to being pressured by me usually.

Feels like overly cross and frustrated Brad. Caught for flimsy reasons

Dunnstral wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:39 am For those who missed it, Sig's role was guaranteed to be in the game for the town alignment as per the opening posts, which is a stronger ability than what their role actually did. So if they had claimed their role/flavor I'd have pointed that out and motioned for us to eliminate elsewhere. Us eliminating them probably wasn't considered in the balance of the setup so we are at a stronger disadvantage than usual, mafia effectively had three night kills while we killed nobody.

I’m optimistic, personally.

Because often times on the site if we eliminate mafia D1, town loses. Dunno why that seems to happen, but

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:26 am [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Either kill him now or kill him after me.

Dude's an idiot so he can die..

Idiot denied.

Don’t call someone else an idiot please.

Should be self evident

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2024 11:15 pm @Lime Coke do you have any suspects here? Any thoughts on anything?
I've been getting sick since Tuesday night, mostly was in denial of it until now, but yeah I'm kinda fucked.

Sooooo I don't have actual scumreads.

I could vote Seanzie since the dude decided to spread lies yesterday and teach him a lesson.

Do you still think I’m the towniest town to ever town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 1:10 am I haven't read the whole game but I read enough to get to confidence with these reads. I also actually think Epignosis has kind of softed himself as the Courier role but I'm not really 3p hunting because frankly it does not comply with how I read games in that I sort people by the level of believability in the choices they make.

Which now that I have articulated, kind of ... makes me see Chelsea ever so slightly more favourably. And also Creature. So I suppose I could call them upper POE, with Jack, Bradley and Falcon as the lower POE.

I’ll need to delve into Jack’s iso but aside from that I think this looks solid.

I don’t mind sheeping your takes today

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:46 am
Dunnstral wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:17 am
Chelsea wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:21 am Thanks for the fish.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 10:47 pm Fuck it Scotty can be town.
Do you base this on the mech post? I find that a tad odd because anyone can speak on mech, especially considering it's basically truth-talk and busy work Day 1. It's probably the most irrelevant line of conversation you can go down. Now, given it's RVS at that point, sure talk away on a matter I consider unimportant but out of all of Scotty's early posts, why that one?

I can't decipher whether your reaction is over-eager or just premature. Even with your later answer just doesn’t feel like you should be this set.
Lots of incorrect assumptions in this post.
@Scotty can you add Dunnstral to towncore lol.

Dunnstral is either towniest of towns or deepwolf, as I’ve said.

I don’t think there’s a middle ground. And I’m afraid to commit to either

Mac, Seanzie, Scotty. Let’s form a posse and pour one {Lime Coke} out for the homies.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:14 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:40 pm Something something, Brad, something.
Seanzie was this you disliking Brad's page 1? Cuz I'm in catch up and just got to this post and was pretty much about to highlight I think I'm looking at wolf Brad.

I think that is one of the reasons at the time drunken me was like ‘YEAH SEANZIE BE TOWNIN’ because LC was weirdly adamant of my town game in such a TMI way that I think maybe I shouldn’t have dropped that vibe check

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine this feels right

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