The Syndicate

At work now but will be around in about 4 hours.

S~V~S wrote:It was a beautiful weekend, far too nice to stay in on the computer, Plus I had a fancy restaurant catered birthday for a one year old. I am guessing they will rent the Taj Mahal for her wedding, or maybe her sweet 16.

So sorry away so much; but also I mus say, I also avoided the thread somewhat. Since I came back, I read the whole thread, and have some opinions. But it seems to me that everyone already has their mind made up, and does not want to hear anything different. When I came it it was between Black Rock & Cobalt. I still have no idea why everyone thought Cobalt was suspicious. I read the thread, I read Cobalt in isolation, I reread him. I feel kinda like a voice in the wilderness, and that's not immensely fun, tbh.

I think Sloonei was 100% right. I think Ninjabloop is as bad as they come. I am not feeling the Golden connection that Epi posits, but I think Ninja made one really good post in defense, and the only thing that sets her defense apart from Black Rocks to me is tone. And having played a few games with Ninja, I will say that I admire her ability to keep it light and bantering at all times, civ or bad. Her tone is fairly level & light regardless. So if you remove tone from the equation (as was not done with Cobalt), her defense it not all that.

So I am going to vote for her.

Do you see the validity in the case against Bass as well?

Well my thing is: yes, there's probably other stuff to talk about here, but for now several of my reads rely on knowing the alignment of Bass.

Could there be more said about Epi's ninja v. Golden link? Eh, maybe. but I don't buy it as of now.
Having half the living people absent in some capacity really hurts the variability of candidates.
Bass just seems the most --wait for it-- fishy.

Hi MM. I see you here

AS you can see, JJJ, the game has taken off today. It's really fierce.

A little sidetrack, looking at the MIAs. Gumshoe for instance hasn't posted since Night 1, and has 44 posts.
Splints has 52 posts.


I love how Gumshoe's last post was this:

Gumshoe wrote:I should probably make a note for y'all, I will always put time with loved ones as my top priority (of course) and I get that at weird hours. Especially late at night. Also there will be some days that you hear very little from me and that will typically be why. I know I'm being captain obvious but you guys don't know me so I'm letting you in on how I operate and a glance at what to expect from my "schedule".

Don't worry though. I'll make time to PM Dom and tell him that I choose to kill each and every one of you tonight.

Note, splints, that I've been looking at you through a LC-aligned lens this whole time. I don't intrinsically see you as bad, but there are a lot of question marks when met with the right focus. In general, I can't pin you with LC even through that lens. The BR thing is the big thing. I thought maybe your viewpoint shifted on BR after she was corrupted (safe to say it was Night 3), and your focus of BR changed a bit on Day 2, and didn't really alter much when you brought her up again on Day 6 and were at least semivocal about lynching her. Could be a tactic of gaining civ trust once BR comes out as bad, but I don't think that has a whole lot of merit.

I still want to know what you think of Bass as of now though.

@Splints
I get that you didn't want to be a part of that. It was reluctance, of sorts. Objectively, your opinion of LC is very much indirectly linked to what others think of him. Meaning you don't ever really have an opinion on him one way or the other.

Here you talk about LC in relation to how other people think of him.

fingersplints wrote:So I've been reading from the beginning. I think that of LC vs Cobalt. Cobalt looks worse to me, but I am not sure I am suspicious of either yet earlier. I think that it is understandable for him to be a bit wary of LC because of the 90's game on JTM, but it seemed pretty extreme. Now it seems to be a joke

I also find Bass suspicious. This post here caught my eye on I've read all his posts now.

What bothered me on there is Epi asked him to read LC and tell him if there is anything suspicious. Instead of doing that bass asks a couple questions of Epi: "Is it because there are only six post, 3 of which are fluff posts?"
"Is it the MP/Epi shoving match post?"

Providing reasons it COULD be suspicious without actually committing that he found LC suspicious for those reasons.

Reading through his posts he is asking a lot of questions of others, and I also feel like he is being a bit careful with his wording about LC. Here he mentions feeling bad about LC, but already feeling better about him in the same posts. But then gives excuses why he might be wrong about it.

fingersplints wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I don't like the taunting Cobalt trying to get us to vote him now. Claiming that ability after someone guessed it seems like what you did I a game LC when Juliets said you were indy and you weren't.

I am almost inclined to leave the LC-Cobalt thing for another day, but there have been so many questions raised between these two. I still have 4-5 pages to read before the last lynch,

Why would you want to leave those two for another day? I'm inclined to vote for cobalt more for the sake of moving the game along than anything else. We're all gonna stay hung up on this case for as long as it remains open and I feel it's turned into a big distraction. The sooner it's dealt with, the better.

This. I feel like this is dominating the thread and we have other baddies to catch as well.

fingersplints wrote:I'm not convinced LC is a civvie, but I can't see Gman being one at all. I don't have a lot of time tonight and am not sure I will be around much more before the lynch

That's all you say in reference to LC before we kill him. It is very standoffish, and again, as you've said- it doesn't look good, but it doesn't automatically mean you're bad. But baddie hunting for the other team and looking the other way on some key suspicions is pretty suspicious looking.

fingersplints wrote:I have been reevaluating my suspicion of bass. a lot of my suspicion was based of him being careful about his mentioning LC, but since that team seemed to try and kill him last night I feel a bit better about him. I second (or third or what not) the questioning if he knows how he survived.

Do you still feel a bit better about Bass? That was Day 6. Between him, BR and GMan, Bass was on your radar the most early game.

fingersplints wrote: a lot of my suspicion of him had to do with my theory that he was on team Wildhorn, and I was a bit paranoid I was reading him wrong due to the LC/Cobalt situation. Later, I dropped my suspicion of him entirely due to him seeming to survive a kill from a member of that team

So can Bass not be on Team Webber? What if you looked at him through that lens?

Wtf? Sorry MM I'm not sure how I mixed that up.
I'm sure Epi will bring attention to it though and say it's a conspiracy for MM to be mafia.

And yes, thank you for making the votes changeable again, Dom!

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:on Day 2 as splints was still working to acclimate herself with the game, she selected Cobalt as the more suspicious party in the Cobalt/LC dynamic. i am not inclined to lambaste her for this primarily because she might not have been wrong about Cobalt. however, it still does stand as a soft defense of LC and if that becomes a trend it'll be more troubling.

The thing about the LC/Cobalt drama was that it started from another game, and it involved me too. (I can reiterate what happened again, but I am pretty sure it's been said many times so) What stood out most to me about that at the time was that Cobalt had said it started as a joke suspicion that progressed into an actual suspicion. The whole thing felt very attacky. I can't be the only one who felt really uncomfortable there.

Also, for the record. I have been mafia with LC a couple times. If we were teammates, he wouldn't have wanted me to defend him. That is the opposite of how he plays. In the game we played on JTM (the one where Cobalt defended him all game and I went after him) LC had this to say in his mafia chat: (I'm posting both the link and quote because you might have to be added to that area to see it.)

baddie Long Con in 90's JTM game wrote:
linki MM- Oh cool! That sounds like fun
I'm totally up for planning my own sacrifice from the beginning with someone. Like, set up an adversarial relationship and eventually I "slip up" and get lynched. Maybe two teammate could come after me. *shrug* Unless you guys don't dig that kind of play.

Well that's interesting. Didn't Golden suggest that may have been a thing LC/Cobalt were doing early on? I don't remember how well that worked for LC in the JTM game. I also don't remember LC being too attacky with anyone except....Golden. Actually they did have a pretty adversarial relationship for a bit...

hmm...that would be hilariously evil- hypothetically- if Golden was also sacrificed by his team to give him cred, though that doesn't really fit with LC's JTM strategy.

" If we were teammates, he wouldn't have wanted me to defend him. That is the opposite of how he plays. "
Not necessarily. Could be how he played the previous times. I understand mafia would want to mix it up, eh?

fingersplints wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:this is probably the most interesting period of splints' post history. on Day 4 when eventually LC was lynched and flipped mafia, splints lent him significant aid in the tally. she didn't speak in his favor, but she tied the vote 5-5 between LC and G-Man. it would seem it was quite plausible at this point for G-Man to be lynched instead. this lends further support to the notion that splints is unlikely to be a member of Team Webber, but it could also tie her more closely with Team Wildhorn. she actually said nothing whatsoever about LC during this phase, and very little about him prior to it. this is something she is going to have to talk about, because it's not a great look.

I will agree that this is not a great look, but it doesn't make me bad either. I don't mind talking about LC if you have more questions after what I said up there ^ I don't think it's likely with the attention he was receiving for days that LC's teammates voted to save him.

I don't remember you defending him at all. You referenced other games, and equated that to how he was playing now. But that was the extent of what I remember you doing. My suspicion arises from how standoffish you were from LC up until he was voted out.

splints, who do you currently suspect after Bass, and why?

Dom wrote:Question for you all:

I had planned Night 9 to be the night where I give anyone who wants the chance to compete for a prize. It would be trivia based. I want to ensure there's enough interest before I put it together. Is there interest? There would be three prizes available-- all are good-- and the first place winner would have first pick, the second would have second, and the third-- third.

What is the format like? Is it it a set time kind of thing? PM based? I should be around except for a 4 hour block of time, and you know I love me some Broadway trivia.

Oh. Mine is too

Golden wrote:Welcome back scotty! I'm glad you didn't die. Now you know what it is like to be me!

I was reading through and saw that I died (I'm surprised it took them so long) and was about to go to bed but then kept reading for shits. lol what a rollercoaster!

We're like zombies, Golden. I just want some brains these days.

linki- thanks nutella. Def want to hear from our London cronie.

I'm still sticking to Bass.

Also, it still reads Day 8.

Hey @Dom ! Could you please change that when you get a chance?

Also I love how Epi came to life swingin immediately after I was out of the picture. I'm still not sure what to think of his reads thus far, let alone the Golden v ninja thing. I actually agree with Golden in that ninja did defend herself pretty well against Sloonei's advances. I do not think that Golden and ninja are conspiring together right now.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:Which team am I on with ninja, epi?

One of the bad ones.

Golden wrote:I'm not sure that scotty was the singer. He just theorised the singer was dead.

I am. His culture is one of blatant hints. Such as these:

Scotty wrote:Oh never, don't go! We need your input!

If you do, it would be a shame for sure

In other news, it would appear the singer may have been killed or just forgot to submit their thoughts last night.

And

Scotty wrote:Oh, and I know Webber kills tonight, but please don't kill me. I'll sing a little ditty if you let me live. kthnx

Obvious.

What you need to question is how I figured out you and nijuu are teammates.

I wish I were the singer. I only made my singing comment because I'm conforming to the theme. Thought the singer was dead because I lost track of the timestamp, since it still read Day 8, and I thought for some reason offhand that the last lynch was the night kill.

No coffee and no sleep makes Jack a dull boy.

You know what I have noticed from Epi 2.0? And I apologize if this is just the normal Epi- I don't know how he normally styles his plays- but he one is the biggest nitpicker I've ever seen in one of these games.

It's very interesting, because he sometimes has some thoughtful and thorough posts explaining his suspicions, with evidence in posts and behaviors.

But then he sometimes has vague shotgun posts. Jumping on the word "interesting". Formatting for ninja about quoting Day 0. Formatting ninja again about...well, I don't even know what she formatted wrong. Does that really matter? It seems like he's McCarthying certain points in order to frame a bigger, irrelevant picture. He'll just kind of...say absolute statements as if they're fact, and usually won't back them up with anything particularly tangible.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:The best part of this part of the day is waiting to see who bandwagons and why.

I already know why I plan to bandwagon.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:Linki- why, Epi? Of all the MIAs, why Devin?

I think I need Devin dead to win. I don't KNOW that. But I think it.

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:epi - do you think it could be sig/cobalt/TGG/LC?

I do.

Not suspecting you Epi, because your reads on GMan and BR make it hard to put you on a mafia team. But I can't be behind you on stuff when it appears that you're playing darts in the dark.

mafia stahp.

also thanks whoever did that

lol

Er, day 9. Dom hasn't updated anything and these phases are so bloody long that I lose track

Oh. Right. My bad, for some reason I thought it was Day 8 already.

Oh never, don't go! We need your input!

If you do, it would be a shame for sure

In other news, it would appear the singer may have been killed or just forgot to submit their thoughts last night.

I mean come on. This is Bass' only post in Day 5, when GMan already had 12 votes on him.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:G-man why didnt you try to defend yourself? Instead you just asked people to keep voting for you so you could use some kind of role power that might have helped the civs later down the road. This comes off bad to me and for that reason I'm voting for you .

That's his only criticism of GMan all game.

He votes himself Day 3 b/c of "internet issues" which I guess was supposed to be a nice gesture knowing that he wasn't going to be around. Yet he continued to be around later, putting those bandwagon votes and occasionally voicing his distaste of cobalt and nutella. Very snippy and awfully revealing if you ask me.

GMan doing his best used car salesman impression. For the 3rd time.

I'm deadset right now on voting Bass Day 9. Nothing is going to change that for me. Not even because he's usually last to vote on everything, but because of his defense in the last few posts, and his demeanor in general. Every vote screams team Webber to me.

If he flips bad, yay! I'll need to do more digging for a solid #2 suspect and see if my other current suspects can fit the bill.
If he flips good, I vote nutella (or splints). It's as cut and dry for me as that.

Golden, did you learn anything from the past few days?

Well that sucks. I'm legitimately surprised. Maybe there was merit to Cobalt's power.

That was not what I was expecting at all. I'm sorry Cobalt

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:one thing i know about splints is that when she is town, she has an awesome skill for self-defense. and i want to give her that chance. because while there are some interesting points against her, i don't think there are damning points. and the interactive dynamics that might link her to Team Wildhorn could also be asserted to exist for some other players (links to either mafia team).

i do like that you're conscious of the night kill schedule though nutella. that's a good mindset to have in this setup.

I think nutella has responded well to my heat of her, and right now her mindset does seem more civ-like than splints, but I agree- I also want to hear from her before just flat out voting her. (I know she's in the UK and is probably sleeping right now, which is unfair)

We did hear from Bass, though, and his comments didn't do anything for me.

8/18 votes an hour before deadline. This is just sad, people

Posting this again for reference later:

Cobalt wrote:Tbh I don't sound civvy cuz I'm being lazy and I don't know you guys.

@Niijukysuajxjdudjsjaj: you make good points, but I don't know what else to say while I'm at work and unable to formulate a long response other than that I'm civilian.

Also, guys, if you lynch me today, Long Con will be lynched and I won't be. That's a hard fact. Either vote for him, or for someone else besides me. This is a civ ability.

@LC I actually thought that whole "interesting" argument was dumb. I had other reasons if you look back in my posts.

tell y'all what - if you don't lynch me today, I'll post a super huge legacy post of how I view every single player in the game so far. I know I agreed to do this if I decided to eat a lynch, but that was to bait votes onto me so that Long Con would die. Up to you if you want me to do that or not.

He never did do that legacy post. Shame.

I often feel like Epi 2.0 is that dude selling watches on his person. Who knows what he's wearing under that trenchcoat? I do want to know, but I also...don't know if I'm ready for that kind of relationship yet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:scotty, what are your thoughts on splints?

I followed splints' votes primarily and read your posting on her. I agree with most points. And just looking on the surface at the voting records doesn't really paint her in a negative light.
Actually you jogged my memory on her posts on Cobalt vs. LC, where she didn't really defend or accuse LC or Cobalt. It's just "silly jokes".
Yesterday she put an insurance vote on BlackRock instead of adding to a potential Cobalt train. When (and if) Cobalt is lynched it will give me more info on their relationship.
Looking through a lens where she is team Wildhorn, we can see some interesting things.

She discussed sig in a sig vs. bubbles post, at a point where sig had borderline given up. Her bandwagoning of sig late and calling him out does nothing of favor imo.
That BR vote sounds most incongruent, since she would have known BR was corrupted. But I'm gonna look more into that if Cobalt flips good.
And while I do think it is a possibility that she could be Team Webber, I do not think this is the case.

fingersplints wrote:I'm not convinced LC is a civvie, but I can't see Gman being one at all. I don't have a lot of time tonight and am not sure I will be around much more before the lynch

Saying "I think A, but I REALLY think B more." She avoided voting or really fingering LC as a baddie, voting GMan. Her voting isn't Team Webber friendly, like you discussed in your post.
And then she makes a tie on Day 4 with her GMan vote away from LC.

That looks not good on her.

Then when LC is lynched, she does a little GMan redirection in the same breath as her group congratulations on lynching LC:

fingersplints wrote:Glad we got a baddie! I still think that Gman would have been a good lynch too

At first I thought that she looked pretty neutral/slight civ based on votes, but after reading into it, I actually am leaning moderate mafia.

There's a slight chain here for several people for me. Cobalt's alignment will help me dictate what I think about splints' alignment, as well as like 3 other people. Flipping Bass will do that as well for both splints and nutella.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:gonna assume then that Devin is irrelevant to your role and the vote was motivated by other things -- maybe alcohol. maybe boredom. maybe an excuse to skate out of meaningful conversation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWeJ9p42ufg

I think it makes sense to vote Cobalt today. Even if he isn't a baddie, I'm willing to bet my left butt cheek that he won't be an important civ, but instead most likely independent.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:i think much of Bass's most suspicious content is related to Long Con, suggesting a connection to the other mafia team. so it's not out of the question that both answers are right here. of course we shouldn't narrow our focus solely to Bass and Cobalt.

Well the fact that Long Con's team tried to kill him was a pretty big indicator that he's not on team Wildhorn.

Have you had a chance to look into splints yet, JJJ? I've made some notes at home but want to know hat you think.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Between Bass and Cobalt i'd vote Bass. i honestly don't understand why Cobalt is being regarded with such suspicion.

I think it's mostly his attitude and lying early game that gave him that reputation. He's been rather aggressive but I'm attributing it to his play style. It's a messy one

the attitude i don't much care about. could you briefly describe his lie to me though? i recall him surviving the lynch, but it's still hard to keep the context straight without having been through it myself.

I'm not at home so I'm not combing through his post history but basically the gist was:
Day 2 as votes start piling on him he brags that he doesn't care because Long Con is going to die instead, as if his ability could transfer a lynch.
End of day, no one is lynched.
He starts freaking out and saying that LC should've died, but something happened to block him.
Then the next day after people called it an info dump, he says that he did indeed lie about the lynch change. And as far as I remember that wasn't really talked about again. Hope I'm not butchering that too much

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Between Bass and Cobalt i'd vote Bass. i honestly don't understand why Cobalt is being regarded with such suspicion.

I think it's mostly his attitude and lying early game that gave him that reputation. He's been rather aggressive but I'm attributing it to his play style. It's a messy one

Well DFaraday, if history has any merit, Bass may not likely respond or make a voting decision til late. I'll wait as well, but I'm not holding my breath

nutella wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:I actually think that was a pretty great defense by Ninjigglypuff.
But now I don't know who to vote for.

IM SO CONFLICTED

Same yo. Niju's defense is definitely giving me pause, but I don't know who I even suspect anymore :\

Sounds to me like Epig is an indie with his own win condition. o_O

My mafia list has grown very narrow and changed a lot over the course of the last few days too, and guess who's on my suspect list right now that wasn't before- speciically because BR and you were interested in him?

Bass.

I don't have time before work to break down his 60 (wow, he's posted that much?) posts, but looking exclusively at his voting patterns is VERY fishy. The MOST fishy.

I'm looking through the viewpoint that he is possibly team Webber, since team Wildhorn tried to kill him.
He normally swoops in with one of the last votes every day, which is
Day 1 and Day 6 he doesn't vote.
Day 2- bandwagon votes Cobalt.
Day 3- Votes himself, and not sig, who, at that point, was basically giving up. That's right after TGG quit. Would it be a stretch to say team Webber is having some confidence problems here....?
Day 4- last to vote, and instead of putting it on either LC or GMan as the leaders in votes, votes nutella. Inconclusive.
Day 5- One of the last to vote again. this time for GMan. He was the 13th person to vote for GMan. GMan seemed pretty dead anyway, so why not put your vote there.
Day 6- Welp, GMan is gone, and Bass goes MIA for a day cycle
Day 7- He's back and voting for Cobalt again.

I'm inclined to link Bass's alignment indirectly to that of nutella's. IF Bass is lynched, and flips bad, I'm inclined to look the other way on nutella. AND it looks better for Cobalt too. IF Bass flips good, I'm certain nutella is bad, and then maybe Cobalt.

Anyone have any thoughts on this? I need togo to work

I'm sorry there are *18 alive.

Tally:
15/19 people voted yesterday.
Of the 4 that didn't vote yesterday (Gumshoe, Neverwhere, Devin and DREAM), Neverwhere is the only active one since Day 1.

Neverwhere wrote:Apologies for my lengthy absence. I am back.

Doesn't surprise me Sloonei was killed, but I also doubt that he was converted to mafia. He was perceived as too high profile good guy to have mafia convert him imo. It would have been the obvious thing to do. Too obvious.

Give me some time to work out who's not dead yet

This was her last post. That was in the beginning of Day 6. I hope she's ok, or else she has just been REALLY working out who is still alive.
17 players are still alive btw.

This means that unless the MIAs come back, only 13 people are voting today. Could be down to 11, what with JJJ going to Swedetown and Hedge going to Cheesetown.

Can someone contact any of the MIAs to make sure they're ok and cognizant? Having little over half of the players participating is making this rather hard for me. I dunno about anyone else.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:God it's dead in here. I'm assuming MM is voting for Cobalt. Thats what he's been saying for a few days anyway. And that's how I'm leaning right now too.
I've been on the fence with him on and off over the past few days, and his responses to heat was both adequate and aggressive at times.
His beleaguered attempts at seeming MvP in reads come off as advantageous. I mean, I had the first inclination that sig was bad but I'm not boasting about it. I think of it as a collective success, not individual. Also that doesn't mean I'm good by default.

Linki- why, Epi? Of all the MIAs, why Devin?

Not really anymore. I changed my mind about Cobalt.

So now I need a new suspect.

@MM- What swayed you? Anything in particular?

What's sticking out to me is that saved lynch Day 2. Someone saved him, and his fake infodump/lying still seems pretty fishy to me, even as a civ. I was putting him off because I think Cobalt is actually independent, but Golden's early vote has me really looking back at Cobalt.

My BIGGEST concern is that he is Gypsy. But even if he is that role, his early play had been so scattered and he looked so fishy that I am resigned to the fact that he is the shakiest good guy here.

Hedgeowl wrote:I officially endorse your analysis, although that of course means diddlysquat. I am just too busy irl and at night so tired that it's no longer fun to catch up constantly, so eventually I give up and go to sleep. I am going on vacation for 10 days tomorrow in rural Wisconsin. I have been told we have internet, but will be with a ton of family. Granted my participation cant get much worse at this point. As for suspects, I still have nutella on my list, but saw JJJ say she defended herself well, so need to check that out. Otherwise, I havent taken the time to anayze the votes as I like to do, not that we have lynched several baddies, but thats where I like to start in my analsysis usually.

I understand it can be frustrating catching up, however these past few days honestly have been rather sparse, (what with the bigger posters either silenced or killed) so I was hoping more discussion would be spurred from people like you, who feel constantly behind.

I do think that nutella defended herself well to JJJ's points. Yet she still looks rather bad-like in my points. Namely her voting log. I didn't feel her answers to my points exactly inspired confidence.

Ah. Well that's vague as shit. And what is your win condition?

God it's dead in here. I'm assuming MM is voting for Cobalt. Thats what he's been saying for a few days anyway. And that's how I'm leaning right now too.
I've been on the fence with him on and off over the past few days, and his responses to heat was both adequate and aggressive at times.
His beleaguered attempts at seeming MvP in reads come off as advantageous. I mean, I had the first inclination that sig was bad but I'm not boasting about it. I think of it as a collective success, not individual. Also that doesn't mean I'm good by default.

Linki- why, Epi? Of all the MIAs, why Devin?

I'm on a plane about to take off but I will recommend that we all look into Cobalt and ninja today- they seem to be the hottest suspects going in, and should be the most scrutinized. Yes, talk about other reads as well, but especially those 2.

Grr I just did a whole analysis post about Hedgeowl and it got deleted. I'm too tired to do it again.
It's ok though, because here's the short gist of her:
-She has only 37 posts, which is quite minimal for someone still [actively] playing the game.
-but she has been constantly "catching up". I legit feel her frustration of continually having to comb through 10 pages every day for the past few gamedays, and how she's felt absent.
-She has voted not terribly so far. She did miss Day 2 vote, even though she was around and could have voted. I don't think it's that suspicious, since she picked it back up every day thereafter (except for the Tiny night). She missed a few night polls as well, so this also seems like a genuine busy-ness. Her vote off the G-man lynch felt justified with her self-proclaimed ideology of players bandwagoning only if they has a reason.
-I feel like she reads as a backdoor civ- she hasn't shared a lot of original suspicions, but also doesn't always go with the crowd on voting.

Hedge, I hope as the thread gets lighter that you come around more.
Can you give me 3 people you might suspect right now and maybe a little bit why?

OK, timmer made sense. Sorry bud I wish he could have stuck around longer seeing as he just started showing up with reads. (Though I don't see any legacy reads in the past few days. He pretty much got BR killed and so it's hard to draw conclusions of who actually killed him, which made him a solid target)

It's gonna be a lot more confined in here in a bit. JJJ is about to leave for a while, DREAM, Devin and Gumshoe are still MIA.

I really want to nail either Jekyll/Hyde or Bonnie/Clyde today. Webber would be cool too, but right now it's a safe assumption that no more than 1 of the MIAs are in a team together. Could just be one person manning both sides at this point. I want to test that this night. Because if one of the MIAs arent around and are bad, then that's good for us.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I was not insanified. And considering what the roles do, I do doubt that the insanifier would be on the Wildhorn team and the same team as the Silencer. Also, insanifying the obvious lynch target of G-Man the other day would be a waste of time for Mafia 2. Instead, I think the Insanifier is on Mafia 1.

But I do believe the Insanifier and Jekyll and Hide are working in tandem. Would you agree? Any idea? I notice that not only was timmer "supposed" to be silenced, but his vote was "accidentally" place on Epignosis.

Oh, and with BR being the most suspicious player going into today, it makes sense that someone would target her with a redirect.

It would make sense that a civ would redirect the silencing. And since timmer really wasn't talking much leading up into Day 6 (His only post was about him being hungover and that he thought BR was scum), that little bit he did say COULD be BR. Seems benign enough before timmer has a chance to lay his suspicions on her again. It will be interesting come Day 7 whether or not silencing is still around.

"But I do believe the Insanifier and Jekyll and Hide are working in tandem." On the surface it would appear that way, but if you think it's on team Webber, how can they work in tandem if not for coincidence?

Actually, I'm very confident after looking at the history that insanity only works on even days. Cobalt Day 2, GMan Day 4, Me Day 6. I don't think that it's a particularly mafia-aligned ability. I'm still thinking it's an independent role doing it.

nutella wrote:Linki: How did my claiming to be a clueless civ cause Bubbles to be lynched? What?
I'm honestly not sure who I suspect most right now. I'm afraid the baddies are hiding in the people who don't stand out as much, like Niju and Hedge, maybe splints. Going to look at them again.

Sorry I guess I phrased that weirdly. I meant that Tiny kept calling herself a lowly and humble civ to seem as forcibly good, and that was at least a factor in getting her lynched.

I agree with you that this is an ideal time for baddies to be hiding in the haystack. I'm interested in Niju because that was the last suspect Sloonei was begging for closure on. And def nutella, hedge and fingersplints. All 4 of your ladies have been in the shadows for a while, and I'm willing to bet that at least 1 of you has a hankering for murder. I'm gonna do an ISO on Hedge in a bit, since she only has 36 posts and just recently jumped on nutella's case in one post and voted for her.

But I have a sneaking suspicion that you are still the elephant in the room, my dear Watsonutella.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:Well I got lynched. Timmer was talking today which means he can't be trusted. I can't explain further but it's true. Thanks for a great game Dom.

So it would seem that "Bonnie and Clyde" or "Merrily We Roll Along" is the silencer, and that the silencer is on the Wildhorn team.

It looks like Black Rock is saying that they targeted timmer. Scotty came in and said he was silenced. Looks like a redirect to me.

Good catch, MM. I wrote that off as just an aside since this is the busiest timmer has been all game. But that would make sense.
It would also make sense thematically if Bonnie and Clyde is the silencer.
Also it is not public knowledge who, if anyone, was insanified 2 days ago. I'd like to think both parties are working in tandem, or else it's coincidence they're matching their targets. I don't like coincidence. You were silenced, MM. Did it say you were also insanified?

Qualifying yourself by saying you're a civ that just doesn't know anything is one of the things that led us to lynching TinyBubbles. Granted, she was good (barring she wasn't Jekyll) but it was still a thing that had multiple people pulling out our guns, if you recall.

@nutella Who do you find most suspicious right now, since BR is gone? I'm just curious. Bass still?

Golden wrote:Actually, the hooded figure in the death post for BR suggests to me that the scene with the hooded figures was, in fact, BR being recruited on night 3.

Which probably means (given the lack of any similar event on night one) that there is only one person corrupted, since those were the only opportunities wildhorn had to do it. Just my thinking. Obviously it's hard to know for sure.

I really don't like the fact that Jekyll & Hyde is a seemer. It's possible that it is even bubbles.

Ah right, that makes sense. You had said earlier today that it was probably Company so I thought that made sense at the time, but the corruption does make more sense.

I'm actually confused with the wording of Jekyll and Hyde. Can someone break that down? And Golden, what is a seemer? When appearing civ, does Jekyll and Hyde take on a random role, making Sweeney Todd still out and alive?

Cobalt wrote:HOW MANY MORE OF MY SCUM READS NEED TO FLIP BAD BEFORE Y'ALL QUIT ACTING LIKE I'M SOME KIND OF CRIMINAL SLIPPING THROUGH THE CRACKS OR SOME SHIT.

Literally eat me. Not the best case scenario but I was still right.

This doesn't mean you are good. I actually thought BR played formidably, and I don't necessarily think you come off as more civ for flaunting this in our faces.

Golden wrote:And also, the random attempt on Bass from Bonnie and Clyde has me thinking of BR too, since she was the one who seemed most convinced he was bad.

I don't know why we weren't talking more about Bass's murder attempt this past day. Now moreso, since he and TurnipHead were BR's main suspicions.
I'm not sure which night LC corrupted his wife, (besides his wedding night HEYO ) but it isn't a stretch to assume it was early on.

In Night 1, BR is "watching Bass" on top of her suspicion of TH. Then this post referring to the PM pretty much out of the gate in Day 2:

Black Rock wrote: I think I have it solved basically, some of the flavour text I haven't but it is a baddie role. I think there is a possibility of a civvie being corrupted. Now my dear host wouldn't confirm this to me but I think it might be a recruitment possibility. If one team has it the other team might as well.

Either she was hiding her corruption or put this post put crosshairs on her for Night 2 corruption.

Either way, she really lays into Bass in Day 2, and doesn't really let up all game. I mean that to say she never noticably switches viewpoints Is that her civvie suspicion of a baddie lingering, or is the fact that she was corrupted giving her more incentive to place blame on an innocent? I'm thinking the latter.

Black Rock wrote:Well I got lynched. Timmer was talking today which means he can't be trusted. I can't explain further but it's true. Thanks for a great game Dom.

Again, is she trying to actually be helpful by casting a shadow of doubt on Timmer or being a corrupted little witch? I take any extra suspicions from her in these late stages with a grain of salt.

Also in my notes as having been suspicious of Bass are nutella and fingersplints. Could one of them be Mr. Clyde and Miss Bonnie? I THINK SO.


Timmer: I legit never figured out why both Golden and Sloonei (among others) have thought so highly of him. He's never pinged me, per se, and I do feel like he's been pretty forthright with his opinions, but forthright does not equal civ... It's something I will look into but for right now I see him as slightly civ at +5.