The Syndicate

@golden
For logistical purposes, would it be possible to send one of Matt or Bullz to conduct the kill instead of me? I don't really want to do that because it's moot, but I want to get my ducks in a row.

Also, I don't know if you answered it already, but if the doctor successfully saves a person, will they be alerted to such? I saw you answered regarding typh surviving, but what about the person doing the protecting?

My vote is for LongCon. I am on a plane til 9p tonight so I will be out of the office. If my associates come up with another person, I cede to them. Chau

Got a question for you all.
Maybe not now, but in like 2-3 nights time (the night after we kill Sorsha, which we definitely should do on night 4) if I haven't been lynched by then, and Matt is still alive, or Bullz is slipping (hypothetical), how devious would it be for me to lie about being a civ blocker. Only we know that the civs will be out of power roles. If we don't put a kill in, and I come out saying that I blocked Matt/Bullz....game set and match. No one will want to kill me until I don't die 2 nights in a row after that and they catch on to my lie?

Hmm, I'll keep thinking on it. It's really late and I just feel anxious all the time.

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Matt wrote:Wow, that was incredible. How am I not dead? Happy Birthday Bullz

TheFloyd73 wrote:I'm honestly appaulled. I go away for two days after I make a legitimate vote with reason.

Civs, you're fucked.
Um what? Per the underline, that sounds like he's confirming he picked me Night 1 and that's why he voted me. For real?

Lol I was nervous when I first saw his role power, but then I realized that he could've easily picked a townie Night 1 and that's not why he was voting me. His post pretty much confirms he picked me, though?

Lol ummm what should I do?

Yeah I thought that was patently out of line. I was gonna say something but figured what could Golden do? It does basically confirm to follow his lead. I'm surprised no one has picked up on it.

But it's great to have you at least another night, Matt!

I do think I am going to start going head first into you however. As you agree, it's only a matter of time before the town starts putting 2 and 2 together.

Also Matt, who do you want to kill tonight?

Golden wrote:Scotty, you do realise you are a power role, right?

Blissfully ignorant.

Me? Whaaaaa? Little ole me?

I don't want to start bussing either of you guys but someone is going to bring up Floyd's posts for clues eventually. They will look more civ because of it. I'm wondering if that's even in our best interest to do so at all.

Bullzeye wrote:Well we can't kill Typh tonight. I suggest LC but would be happy for Epi to die too.

Well let's do LC tonight then. He has my vote.

And both you and Matt were the last people Floyd picked up on. I sort of want to bring up Floyd's posts casually, and might include Matt and you, if that's ok. I might do a turn-around on Matt now that his suspicion level is getting muddied among the others.

This means that we should just focus on killing the most civ looking person. Epi could be a good candidate. Or LC.

There's one more power role left to deduce, and it could very well be LC or Typh.

Happy mothafuckin birthday, Bullz

I did NOT expect Hurley to be the cop.

No Heist game has ever allowed the cop to make it past day 2. Isn't that hilari-LOST?

I would like to believe that Sorsha is telling the truth, because I'm not buying someone blocked me D1.

Also, woot woot to Typh for pushing a Zebra lynch. Matt maaaaaybe could get another pass today. Tomorrow it's not looking good, but like previously said, anything can happen in a day.

Bullzeye wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I am not the moon indeed. Epi seems to believe you at least so he might tie the lynch up and help you.
Happy birthday Bullz!

Yes, and Typh seems as likely to change votes as a horny turtle humps shoes. So that right there could swing the vote as well.

As for tonight, it's a bit off, but there are some bad things working for us if the lay observer reads the entire picture.

Sorsha is probably protecting herself tonite. Unless we play Princess Bride WIFOM on repeat, I think we should avoid her tonight.
Sorsha claiming protect on Typh is bad for us. That all but clears him.
SVS claims she would never kill Typh N1. This is a philopshy that I have heard her say before, and am confident that she would follow through with that promise.

So those 3 are in my eyes all confirmed civ. Yeesh.

Whether or not SVS is vanilla or not, that's stil up in the air. It's ways off, but She or LC seem like a good choice. Better to start picking off confirmed civs as much as we can.
Thanks

We kill Sorsha the night after tonight. Kill someone else tonight. Maybe someone like LC or Epi? Zebra's desire to not roleclaim will hopefully work out for us.

Everyone who isn't us should be confirmed civ in your eyes since we know who all the baddies are :P . Yes I think killing SVS or LC would be good, Epi is also making his role super super super obvious so we might benefit from killing him as well.

Yes, everyone in my eyes for sure. But. Objectively, if people look at Sorsha's claim as true, she and Typh are not only safe tonight, but are cleared. We could kill Epi, yes. But I think LC is not giving out his role because he is Locke.

We'll surely talk more, but maybe this could work for us.

Bullzeye wrote:I am not the moon indeed. Epi seems to believe you at least so he might tie the lynch up and help you.

Happy birthday Bullz!

Yes, and Typh seems as likely to change votes as a horny turtle humps shoes. So that right there could swing the vote as well.

As for tonight, it's a bit off, but there are some bad things working for us if the lay observer reads the entire picture.

Sorsha is probably protecting herself tonite. Unless we play Princess Bride WIFOM on repeat, I think we should avoid her tonight.
Sorsha claiming protect on Typh is bad for us. That all but clears him.
SVS claims she would never kill Typh N1. This is a philopshy that I have heard her say before, and am confident that she would follow through with that promise.

So those 3 are in my eyes all confirmed civ. Yeesh.

Whether or not SVS is vanilla or not, that's stil up in the air. It's ways off, but She or LC seem like a good choice. Better to start picking off confirmed civs as much as we can.

I'm not sure if I should get a bucket of popcorn or a colonic irrigation after that entire 2-page exchange.

Sorsha doesn't seem to me like the deceiving type as a civilian. It would make sense for the doc to be low-profile.

Uh.

Sorsha and Epi. Sawyer and Jack squabbling like they did in the show. Incredible.

Well.

That happened.

Bullzeye wrote:I think SVS is the doctor and protected Typh and that's why she made a comment earlier about wanting to trust him.

OK. So do you think that Typh knew he was saved?

@Golden
are people informed if they were unsuccessfully killed?

Which of the following scenarios do you think is more likely?

-There is no blocker, and the doctor protected Typh.
-There is no blocker, and the doctor is Typh.
-A blocker blocked me and now knows that I am bad.

If it is the 1st one, I would expect Typh to have shown some sort of hint that he was attacked last night.
If it is the 2nd one, I also would expect Typh to have dropped that as well. Because then it would look as if he was protected by someone else.
If it is the 3rd one, then I would expect someone to come for my nuts. AND DADDY LIKES HIS NUTS THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

What are your thoughts on the potential PRs, Bullz? I tend to just spew thoughts.

Also nevermind, Ethan dies first, and then like 5 episodes later Boone dies. But it's pretty close.

nutella, Epi and Sorsha still have to vote. And who knows? Maybe Typh will change his vote.

Matt's back in it. Maybe. Depends on if we can repel zebra's confidence. It looks to me, unfortunately, that because she has pledged herself to be a martyr should Matt be bad, why WOULDN'T people just vote for Matt at this point?

I don't like it, and I still feel like she's got to have info. Because I'm going back to her faulty logic that one of the 2 trains day 1 have to be bad and I'm left scratching my head.

Ah.

No. I did not.

Wtf did we have a 48 hr day 1 cycle too?

RIP Matt. You know what's funny? Ethan dies right after Boone. If I recall.

Come on, the coincidence is pretty awe-some, but in the worst way.

If someone did indeed block me, they're doing a good job of hiding. The only person that has given me flak so far is zebra, but that could very well be a defense because I am voting for her.

Boone: DFaraday
Locke: SVS/LC/zebra?
Sawyer: Epi?
Kate: Bullz.
Jack: (Doc?) Typh? SVS?
Hurley: ???
Sayyid: ???
Jin: nutella
Sun: Matt
Claire: SVS?
Charlie: Scotty
Shannon: ???
Michael: ???

I am still much more confident in killing SVS tonight. What say you all?

Golden wrote:
Matt wrote:There'd be no reason for anyone to protect Typh so Typh has gotta be a protect role, right? Who covered himself night 1?

It can't be a block, because we never "sent" a PM. No one to block!
Blocking applies to abilities, not PMs. The kill comes from your highest ranked living team member, which at the moment is Scotty.

Oh.

Well, that changes things.

Who would have had to gall to block me D1?

Typhoony wrote:Zebra do you have info that Matt is bad?

That would be interesting. But doesn't make sense to me.

I think Typh is trying to lead us astray here.

Also, I do believe that someone could have protected Typh besides himself. Improbable, but possible.

SVS, LC and Zebra now are my candidates for Locke.

BUT. SVS said she returned back to the beach today, even though it doesn't fit with her storyline. If I recall, I know that Claire is kidnapped and comes back to the beach. OR one of the factions like Locke/Jack,etc.

I think she could very much be Claire. And still dont think the doc/investigator would be so brash about their role hints.

Well Matt...looks like you're pretty much baked today. Bummer sauce. I think I can turn your lynch against Zebra, who so effortlessly changed her mind. At first it would appear that she caught you! But, that can also be used against her I feel.

Also. I changed my mind. I want SVS dead next. Her civ reads, her thinking all the time. I think she is being very careful and has already gotten a read on one of Epi or Typh as good.

Oh man oh man, I wanna kill LC.

Matt wrote:Btw wtf is up with Zeebs? She can't possibly believe that there has to be a baddie in one of two lynch wagons, so I don't even know how to defend against that haha.

I'm honestly not sure why others don't objectively see how sketch her turn-around was. I mean, why is she so convinced? There is nothing to back her up.

I also really want to kill LC. I think he is Locke.

Matt wrote:Typh not dying...sucks. But hey, he's defending me so yay.

Also, I've never felt this bad as a baddie before. Epi and SVS goin' at it over me feels effed up. I want to scream at both of them "just stop! I'm bad okay? I'm bad!"

I'm not sure where SVS thinks I was accusing her of being personal? Maybe when I said she does this to me every game? I think I was exaggerating by saying that, I wasn't tryin' to hurt her feelings. But yeah, I do feel that at some point in every game we play, she accuses me of being bad lol. So maybe I wasn't exaggerating haha. Derp. Anyway SVS, if you read this after the game, know I think you're awesome dudette. For reals!

Anyway, wow, Epignosis is never going to trust or defend me again after this game lol.

I know that feel bro

Yeah I was looking through your posts to figure out where your "personal attacks" were, and that example is the best I could come up with as well, and that was a bit of a stretch as a 'personal attack'. I know what it feels like to be lashed out against for taking a stance, and I just don't know if she handles it well.

And yeah, Epi will never trust you after this.

I'm just hoping more people will "come to their senses" and jump on the zebra train or lynch SVS. I see both as possibilities. We might be able to get LC and nutella. Sorsha might be a bit of a hard cookie, but she's been looking more unsure about you today.

Bullz just keep doing what he's doing. His continual bombardment/tunneling of you, IMO, will be washed out over the din of all the people that have come out to defend you.

We're gonna getchu out of this hole Matt..

Well, maybe not Bullzeye, but we have some help from Epi and Typh. So there's that.

Yesssss Sorsha my little puppet...agree with my suspicions and trust Matt....yess.....

TheFloyd73 wrote: I also wonder wether Matt is using the same technique on Bullz that Epi used on me in that Tree game.

Ruh-roh. I don't know what he's talking about. But I don't like where this is going...

This day is already not going how i wanted it

wtf. Really? Did he self-protect or get protected? I thought for sure Typh was a safe pick.

SVS commented that she is on Team Juliet. Which could mean she is either representative of Juliet's ideals IRL or her character is on team juliet. I'm guessing the former, because Juliet wasn't on the plane. Jack was on team Juliet for a time, but I think that would be a bit of a stretch.

Sorsha, Wilgy, Floyd and Zebra have dropped no hints about their roles thus far. We still have Jack, Claire, Hurley, Sayyid, and Michael to figure out. And out of those, I would only see Sayyid and Jack as having a chance of being a PR.

Something to keep monitoring.

Do you think that LC or Typh helps us more? Typh is poking in all the wrong places for town. Both he and LC are contributors.

Let's look at a list of characters and break down who we think they are assigned to, or if they're even notable enough to be used in this abbreviated game...based on hints players have already given.

Boone: DFaraday
Locke: LC?
Sawyer: Epi
Kate: Bullz.
Jack: (Doc?) ???
Hurley: ???
Sayyid: ???
Jin: nutella
Sun: Matt
Claire: ???
Charlie: Scotty
Shannon:
Michael:

Left off Walt because...Walt. What's he gonna do, look demented and shout out DAD every few seconds?

Now I would half expect the PRs to not claim a role, because that would be...a poor choice.

Typh actually seems to me like he is hiding his role. The only hint he has given is his "Guys, where are we?" Which is what Charlie says. But I am Charlie. So...

I dunno. I think Typh is a good choice. What say you all?

Holy cow, [name omitted], you are correct. That's more of a Locke thing. And of all the people, wouldn't he be the best candidate to be the detective? I mean Locke actively searches for the meaning of everything.

The other question is: would LC really be so blunt as to make that hint if he were the detective?

LC has just hinted that he is Mr. Eko by saying he is only doing what the island wants. But so does Ben. And Ben is hardly a good guy. Mr. Eko would not be a power role, methinks.

I'm having more doubts that if SVS were the detective she would be so vocal early on. I think she might be harmless.

Matt wrote:
Scotty wrote:My thought on SVS is that she is a pretty talkative person. Are we not nervous that Doctor Jack will save her tonight, if a doctor is in this game at all?

Is she not the obvious choice?

IF we're comfortable with her possibly not being saved, then I'm down with her lynch tonight.
Yeah, was thinkin' the same.

How about Sorsha? Destroy all of the Matt voters!

Well all Sorsha has done is criticize you. What kind of message does that push?

What about Typhoony? He's voted for me, LC and then DFaraday. Nothing that looks suspicious, and yet he has been under-the-radar kind of active.
Thoughts?

Matt wrote:No. Let's not kill SVS. If half the thread thinks I'm bad, and there is a protector in that group, they may protect SVS.

Honestly I'm not even sure who all is playing. I'll go check in a sec.

Well, I guess we were thinking along the same lines.

I'll keep looking for cause and effect of killing peeps.

Matt wrote:I keep getting worried that I'm going to post something in the game thread thinking it's this thread. Lol

Dude, I was so close to posting in the wrong thread today on my phone. I just know if I don't watch it I'm gonna blow all of our covers.

My thought on SVS is that she is a pretty talkative person. Are we not nervous that Doctor Jack will save her tonight, if a doctor is in this game at all?

Is she not the obvious choice?

IF we're comfortable with her possibly not being saved, then I'm down with her lynch tonight.

If you were to lead the charge against Matt, that would probably be good, right? Keeping zebra a prime candidate as well?

This isn't to say Matt will be gone in tomorrow's lynch, but it will probably give you max cred if you're continuing to push his lynch ad infinitum.

Matt, how ya doin buddy?

Bullzeye wrote:
Scotty wrote:
Scotty wrote:So DFaraday claims he is Boone, eh? How fitting for him to die first.

So I'm about ready to accept the inevitability that Matt is a stuffed pinata and will burst soon. You has enough detractors and when DFaraday falls, I see everyone jumping on you. LC will be fleeting and non-commital which will give us a chance to jump on him.

Matt will probably engage in a civil war with SVS all night, cluttering the thread and making people annoyed with both of them.

Epi will probably write a redneck masterpiece and call everyone four-eyes.

Zebra will do a complete 180 and lead the charge on Matt

I'm probably going to have to bus you at some point, Matt. The question is when.
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Scotty wrote:So DFaraday claims he is Boone, eh? How fitting for him to die first.

So I'm about ready to accept the inevitability that Matt is a stuffed pinata and will burst soon. You has enough detractors and when DFaraday falls, I see everyone jumping on you. LC will be fleeting and non-commital which will give us a chance to jump on him.

Matt will probably engage in a civil war with SVS all night, cluttering the thread and making people annoyed with both of them.

Epi will probably write a redneck masterpiece and call everyone four-eyes.

Zebra will do a complete 180 and lead the charge on Matt

I'm probably going to have to bus you at some point, Matt. The question is when.

So DFaraday claims he is Boone, eh?

How fitting for him to die first.

So I'm about ready to accept the inevitability that Matt is a stuffed pinata and will burst soon. You has enough detractors and when DFaraday falls, I see everyone jumping on you. LC will be fleeting and non-commital which will give us a chance to jump on him.

Matt will probably engage in a civil war with SVS all night, cluttering the thread and making people annoyed with both of them.

Epi will probably write a redneck masterpiece and call everyone four-eyes.

Zebra will prance around Rah-Rah'ing over Matt's innocence, but will go unheard in the ears of men.

I'm probably going to have to bus you at some point, Matt. The question is when.

Matt wrote:LC, Typh, and Zeebs are all definitely my teammates.

Lol I love how 100 % sure and how 100% wrong Zebra is about you.

Oh sweet mercy. LC just gave us some good ammo with his "sorry DF" vote and sentiment. I think in the next phase we can keep pushing how all over the place he has been this day 1 and essentially and egregiously just saved you, Matt.

Oh, but SVS is just begging to be NK'd...

I do agree that the cap may have peeked before today, but then also keep in mind there has only been 1 today. There was never a day 0. So for SVS to come out and gun for you seems pretty sketch from one standpoint.

But if we were to kill her tonight and you live past the day, that would look very bad for you.

We'll see how this lynch shakes out with reactions and such, but right now, if you were to die,
-zebra looks bad
-typh looks bad
-I could look bad, but not as much as those 2.
-Bullz looks great.

If you are to live, it would not be a Greg idea to kill Floyd, Sorsha or SVS. But I'll keep weighting options.
I don't think you're playing it horribly. Really, if anything, you look more civ for your scrambling defense. Maybe.

Day's not over, gents.
But yea Matt, I think you would've been okay with changing tactics. But it does look a bit weird, as I just posted, to come out with evidential reasoning for voting someone that initially looked to be a joke.

But eh, lets see if we can change the tide.

You know what would be funny? If this 5-way tie were to hold and lynch Matt.

Hi-lost-rious

Shit, how this is going to play out is:
I come back into thread, harp on DFaraday for being away and jumping on Wilgy early, but DFaraday will look ok. Sorsha will probably add to SVS' vote for Matt and LC will probably change his vote to Matt as well. I'm not liking that turn of events.

Who should I direct my vote towards then? Because I've already shown I don't find Matt suspicious. Maybe nutella? I dunno. I need to think some more.

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