The Syndicate

indiglo wrote:What are everyone's thoughts on Scotty?

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Black Rock do you have any thoughts on Scotty?

No on ever asks me how I feel about Scotty

Scotty how do you feel about Scotty?

finally someone asks! Holy cowlicks!
I think Scotty has big feet, if you know what I mean.

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Just becasue she misjudged YOU (which just about everyone did) does not make her bad.

I know that, like I said it's the timing of everything that concerns me. I admit I have a biased point of view on this.

S~V~S wrote:I think lynching BR would be an EPIC mistake.

S~V~S wrote:I think lynching BR would be an EPIC mistake.

S~V~S wrote:

Scotty wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

indiglo wrote:

sig wrote: Could someone explain the DDL is seemer thing? In theory they could pick a secret role then make it up yes? However, his role seems like alot of thought was put into it.

It's just speculation, and I couldn't really find much to prove or disprove the theory. I think it started because of Scotty's strange, midday affliction of Swedish Chef posting. It makes no sense that it started when it did based on any role we are currently aware of in the game... so he posited the thought that perhaps it has to do with the new people who joined right before he was afflicted.

That perhaps Dom (I think, he replaced Drac, right?) was the actual Secret Role of "Sockface" (not DDL) and that the Swedish Chef posting had to do with the actual Secret Role, which would now be active again after Drac's long absence.

I dun't beleeefe-a thet Dum is zee Suckffece-a rule-a boot rezeer DDL chuse-a thet rule-a es hees seemer rule-a tu shoo. It cuoold hefe-a beee zee oone-a he-a deseegned heemselff. I vuooldn't be-a soorpreesed iff zee Suckffece-a rule-a vesn't in zee geme-a et ell- thet's vhy I'm seyeeng. Bork Bork Bork!

Ooh, ok, I got you. So you're saying, that if Dom is the secret role, then Sockface isn't the secret role? Yes, I agree. If DDL was the seemer, then the secret role is still secret. Did I get that right?

Thet's my theenking! Bork Bork Bork!

I'm gueeng oon a roon elung a rundum treeel oofer here-a in Greet Fells, Muntuna, zeen dueeng a shoo, su I veell nut be-a beck beffure-a ind ooff dey. Gudspeed indeed! Bork Bork Bork!

I lived in Kalispell, MT for many years, up by Glacier Park. Great Falls has one of the best views of the front rising out of the plains. You are not far from the Blackfoot Nation there. Post pictures in one of the Speakeasy threads!! Lots od Swedes there! You can work on your accent.

Althought you DO know there is more than one Swedish Chef generator online, though, right? I somehow got the impression that you are doing this yourself?

Here's one~
http://funtranslations.com/chef

Hopefully nothing crazy happens at the last minute, becasue I will not be around until after the post. Fingers, eyes & toes crossed civvies

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin, chaindeath, and Elohcin votes are all meh.

indiglo wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

indiglo wrote:

sig wrote: Could someone explain the DDL is seemer thing? In theory they could pick a secret role then make it up yes? However, his role seems like alot of thought was put into it.

It's just speculation, and I couldn't really find much to prove or disprove the theory. I think it started because of Scotty's strange, midday affliction of Swedish Chef posting. It makes no sense that it started when it did based on any role we are currently aware of in the game... so he posited the thought that perhaps it has to do with the new people who joined right before he was afflicted.

That perhaps Dom (I think, he replaced Drac, right?) was the actual Secret Role of "Sockface" (not DDL) and that the Swedish Chef posting had to do with the actual Secret Role, which would now be active again after Drac's long absence.

I dun't beleeefe-a thet Dum is zee Suckffece-a rule-a boot rezeer DDL chuse-a thet rule-a es hees seemer rule-a tu shoo. It cuoold hefe-a beee zee oone-a he-a deseegned heemselff. I vuooldn't be-a soorpreesed iff zee Suckffece-a rule-a vesn't in zee geme-a et ell- thet's vhy I'm seyeeng. Bork Bork Bork!

Ooh, ok, I got you. So you're saying, that if Dom is the secret role, then Sockface isn't the secret role? Yes, I agree. If DDL was the seemer, then the secret role is still secret. Did I get that right?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I also think I trust the current TH wagon slightly more than the current Boomslang wagon. Both wagons have strong town reads though so it's not a big difference.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Now their self-preservation votes come into play.

On each other.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Well barring some serious b/s, someone I want lynched today is going to be lynched today. Cool.

I'm bured. Vunt tu roon a CFD oon Sluuneee, Preesuner? Bork Bork Bork!

Maybe we could CFD you instead, meatball.

Scotty wrote:

indiglo wrote:

sig wrote: Could someone explain the DDL is seemer thing? In theory they could pick a secret role then make it up yes? However, his role seems like alot of thought was put into it.

It's just speculation, and I couldn't really find much to prove or disprove the theory. I think it started because of Scotty's strange, midday affliction of Swedish Chef posting. It makes no sense that it started when it did based on any role we are currently aware of in the game... so he posited the thought that perhaps it has to do with the new people who joined right before he was afflicted.

That perhaps Dom (I think, he replaced Drac, right?) was the actual Secret Role of "Sockface" (not DDL) and that the Swedish Chef posting had to do with the actual Secret Role, which would now be active again after Drac's long absence.

I dun't beleeefe-a thet Dum is zee Suckffece-a rule-a boot rezeer DDL chuse-a thet rule-a es hees seemer rule-a tu shoo. It cuoold hefe-a beee zee oone-a he-a deseegned heemselff. I vuooldn't be-a soorpreesed iff zee Suckffece-a rule-a vesn't in zee geme-a et ell- thet's vhy I'm seyeeng. Bork Bork Bork!

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Well barring some serious b/s, someone I want lynched today is going to be lynched today. Cool.

indiglo wrote:

sig wrote: Could someone explain the DDL is seemer thing? In theory they could pick a secret role then make it up yes? However, his role seems like alot of thought was put into it.

It's just speculation, and I couldn't really find much to prove or disprove the theory. I think it started because of Scotty's strange, midday affliction of Swedish Chef posting. It makes no sense that it started when it did based on any role we are currently aware of in the game... so he posited the thought that perhaps it has to do with the new people who joined right before he was afflicted.

That perhaps Dom (I think, he replaced Drac, right?) was the actual Secret Role of "Sockface" (not DDL) and that the Swedish Chef posting had to do with the actual Secret Role, which would now be active again after Drac's long absence.

chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath thinks a TH lynch would be best since boom has been non-existent this game it would be easy to lynch boom tomorrow.

In regards to the sockface role, chaindeath thinks that it could be the real role. If he remembers correctly there was a night that not much happened in the way of nighttime arrests and perhaps that was the time the rainbow list was used. It seems like that would be more likely than both of the Dons being found in the same night.

Time for lunch!
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Epignosis wrote:Well basketball was horseshit tonight. Thanks for nothing Chris Paul. Time to bet on the PGA.

indiglo wrote:Ok, considering whether or not DDL was the Seemer. So, this is a small sample size, it's just the day 2 lynch.

Role Power: [A dog who is so excited he is just peeing all over everything]: If Sockface thinks he has found a baddie, he will get really excited. Once in the game, he can activate this ability to gain triple vote power for a day.


This was the only lynch that Luffy was a part of where that role power could have come into play and won the lynch. I don't think he used it this day though, because reading back, he was NOT 100% on board the wagon for Fuzz. He said, in fact, my suspicion on you is not strong but he voted there to avoid a throw away vote.


RadicalFuzz
8
Golden (17), ika (18), Silverwolf (19), indiglo (20), S~V~S (21), Dragon D. Luffy (22), Turnip Head (24), Sloonei (25) 28%


ika
9
Quin (5), Nerolunar (6), agleaminranks (11), Soneji (12), Serge (14), RadicalFuzz (16), Enrique (23), Long Con (28), sig (29) 31%


Conclusion - from this evidence alone, I find it impossible to tell if DDL was really Sockface. Were he Sockface, he did not use his special Pee Power votes to kill Fuzz.



Further investigation: Here, he builds a mega case on Golden and explains the EoD2 CFD on Fuzz. At the time (and currently) I found his explanation a bit misleading. He credits TH with the CFD - which is utterly false to anyone in thread at that time, or anyone looking back on it with an honest eye. TH was not involved at ALL in our CFD of Fuzz, which Golden tried to explain to DDL, to no avail. This may have been an attempt to start a discredit of Golden.

He rails on Golden quite a bit more, then gloms onto Sloon's mention of Gleam

Next he backs off Golden almost completely and finds it odd that anyone agreed with him about Golden being bad & wanting to lynch him

And so forth. I remember this though, there was pretty much only 1 post all game that made me pause and consider he could be civ. Just one.

Conclusion - it is possible he was the Seemer, but I can't see anyway to be sure of that until end game. I would not find it a totally unbelievable or ridiculous thing to consider.




Linki~ ACK! Stop that! They're is no place in this game for poor grammar.
Further conclusion - I just wasted a bunch of time doing this, but I got my brain gears moving, so that part is kind of nice.

Scotty wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I get the vibe that if something has happened to Scotty, it was perpetrated by Quin. I also don't necessarily think that should be seen as a reason to suspect Quin.

Perheps. Boot iff sumetheeng hypuzeeteecelly heppened tu me-a (I hefee't zee sleeghtest idea vhet yuoo cuoold meun) vhy vuooldn't Qooeen hefe-a dune-a thees theeng suuner? Vhy hesn't unyune-a hypuzeeteecelly dune-a sumetheeng tu unyune-a suuner? Bork Bork Bork!

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I get the vibe that if something has happened to Scotty, it was perpetrated by Quin. I also don't necessarily think that should be seen as a reason to suspect Quin.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Scotty is now Chekov.

Sloonei wrote:Matt 1.0, you mean? And what makes you think a secret role is still in play?

Quin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Cell me-a crezy boot I hefe-a zee strungest feeleeng thet oone-a ooff zee secret rules ere-a steell in pley. Boot I cun't poot my feenger oon vhy... Bork Bork Bork!

Are you okay, Scotty? You seem different...somehow.

Sloonei wrote:

Scotty wrote:Cell me-a crezy boot I hefe-a zee strungest feeleeng thet oone-a ooff zee secret rules ere-a steell in pley. Boot I cun't poot my feenger oon vhy... Bork Bork Bork!

First of all let's not be potty mouths, but secondly: What & why? Elaborate as much as the rules allow.

Dom wrote:Thank you for that Prisoner.

Other people's input would be appreciated as well.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Effective immediately, Dom is replacing Draconus.

Effective immediately, Elohcin is replacing Serge.

One... two...

One fish, two fish.

Serge wrote:Thanks for the game everyone!

MovingPictures07 wrote:Effective immediately, Dom is replacing Draconus.

Effective immediately, Elohcin is replacing Serge.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:So now chaindeath, who I have as my #3-4, wants TH lynched first.

Hmm.

Hmm what?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hi Boomslang. Nice chaindeath vote. Why?

Sloonei wrote:I feel most confident about Boomslang's badness right now, so I am most inclined to vote for him. After that it is a toss up between Turnip and chaindeath.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:I'm going to be mad if I have to answer chain's question for him.

Keep in mind he did the same thing for DDL until we lynched him.

thellama73 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote: Please illustrate the early game near-lynch scenario you referenced that makes you feel chaindeath is a scapegoat.

This string of posts/votes looked suspicious to me, and were largely based on the fact that he hadn't checked in yet, which is not na terribly good predictor of baddieness. They all came within two hours of each other.

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sig wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:@SVS Zodiac meta reasons

See I disagree with this, she was inactive in Zodiac and I don't think it has anything to do with alignment. Can you explain to me why you think she is showing this meta a bit more?


@Nero did you role mafia again? I mean 3/3 would be a bit odd.

chaindeath Current thoughts?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Scotty wrote:Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Everyone except Chaindeath.

He is lurking, but no posts yet.

Scotty wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Scotty wrote:Wow. Everyone checked in. I'm impressed.

Everyone except Chaindeath.

He is lurking, but no posts yet.

Oh! Damn, I missed him. Good catch!

Voting chaindeath

Nerolunar wrote:

chaindeath wrote:He is so good at typing.... He didn't do it properly and he offers his sincerest apologies. Long Con

This looks somewhat sheepish to me.

Why does typing mistakes and then apologising for it indicate baddie alignment? Chain I would like you to explain too. I see nothing scummy in LC´s behavior so far.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I find it unlikely llama takes this stand as a baddie regardless of chaindeath's alignment.

I'm going to be mad if I have to answer chain's question for him.

Epignosis wrote:Seems like we're divided today.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:Quin is town.

S~V~S wrote:*Fixed*
Of this group

Quin (8), Silverwolf (9), sig (10), Soneji (12), Boomslang (15), chaindeath (18), Black Rock (19), Turnip Head (20)

This is who I think is probably bad:

Quin
sig
Boomrique
chaindeath
Turnip Head.

Of these, I feel that Turnip head is the most dangerous.

So my best order would be (in order of perceived threat based on participation, persuasiveness, etc):

TH
Quin
sig
Boomrique
chaindeath

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Scotty wrote:This might also be controversial, and I've been avoiding it because I don't feel like I want to attract her ire, but why is Silver considered civ again?

I've seen many players over the years who have shown this level of frustration when they feel their reads/contributions aren't being given the time of day (whether that's accurate or not). Nearly all of them have been town. I also think her current perspective of ika shows a healthy amount of town paranoia, and I don't think she'd have become quite so animated if she were attempting to pull wool over our eyes. Finding sincerity in her posts is perhaps the single easiest thing to do in this game.

Is there a reason you think she should be given more scrutiny?

Finding badness in her votes is the second easiest thing to do in this game. I had not realized just how bad until I started reading back on her more when she abandoned her suspish of ika in order to try to catch that evil guy Draconus (who was only on one of the civ wagons, DDLs), then came back to him, and started getting mad at us for not listening to her.

I am deeply conflicted on Silver. Rereading her today did not help. I am not taking frustration into account; people get frustrated whether civ or bad. Going back, the timeline was different that I thought it was. She posted about Fuzz' bad vote before TH brought up the CFD (and when it formed on Fuzz, he was pretty reluctant to go that way at first).

Based on that, I have problems seeing her as bad, just like based on that I had problems seeing ika as bad. But almost everything she has done since then sets offmy alarms, and I think I do pretty well at Mafia because I pay attention to my alarms. So maybe paranoia on my part. I still lean civ on her in a GTH scenario, but I waffle.

The fact that she & sig virtually simultaneously brought up the seemer issue concerned me.

When I am bad, when me & my team are talking about who we are going to kill, pretty much anyone who has given one of us the pass is off the table. And I have Silver the pass hard & often in the days following the Fuzzwagon. I can't hlp but wonder if that has anything to do with my still being alive.

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Sloonei wrote:ISOing Scotty and he's looking pretty good early on.

Scotty wrote:

Serge wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Serge wrote:Hello everyone, sorry for missing out on the last day. I've read up until page 15, hopefully I'll catch up tomorrow.

I'm quite surprised at the number of new players in this specific game. The thread is going so fast and references on other games flash by here and there. Let us be civil(no pun intended), it seems some sparks are flying.

Who/what is a linki? When I catch up hopefully I'll be able to form a clearer picture. If it doesn't come in that form, I'll make that investigation board instead. No matter what happens, I'll cast a vote this day phase.

Hello again Serge, "linki" refers to when a new post pops up during the time you are typing your own new post.

What would you say is your general strategy on Days 1 & 2 of a Mafia game? Has this game been busier than what you are accustomed to?

Hullo Sloonei, I have just arrived at your post. Thanks to you and that other person that explained linki.

I don't like 0s and 1s as they usually revolve around random guessing and nitpicking the tiniest bits of text that may be construed as scummy. An example would be llama saying that Luffy complaining that the game is hard for cops is scummy is an example.

For Day 2, I generally put who got lynched and nightkilled front and center, using the posts from the previous day to try and find any links as to how both these things transpire.

I'm going to resume reading now, see you when I catch up.

I like this dude. I think he is town, mostly because we have similar philosophies.
Though night kills I'm starting to rely less and less on as crutches for suspicions.

Scotty wrote:let it be known if gleam flips bad, I'm calling Serge as a teammate.

I would like to know what happened between these two posts to prompt Serge being a hypothetical teammate of agleaminranks. Obviously we were wrong about gleam, but I'd like to know what your thought process was in calling Serge a potential bad guy here. And how do you feel about him now?

Scotty wrote:I'm still here, catching up. Had a long weekend.

You guys ever fiddle with proofs in Geometry class? If a=b and b=c then a=c? That's kinda where my mind is with the potential alignments I'm calling a "trust fund". It's still rather abstract and unfinished but I have a few that I'm toying with in my mind.

Here's a few off the top of my head:
If sig is bad, then Quin is bad.
If sig is good, then golden is probably bad.
If sig is good, then Sloonei is probably bad.
If sig is good, then I am an idiot.
If Silverwolf is bad, then ika is probably bad.
If llama is bad, then DDL is probably good.
If TH is good, then sig is good.
If sig is good, then Quin is probably good.

These are obviously my opinions but just so y'all know, that's where my mind is right now.
I can't shake in the back of my mind that the Don has BTSC with his associate and they would have each other's back. I get nervous in any lynch that the entire thing has been one big ploy (since the cops probably know the identify of at least one don at this point) to get the entire town to rile up a lynch on said Don. It would make sense why the last 2 kills were failed. I think they are Don hunting, and have their target. Now it's just turning the Mafia tide to lynch their own. That's my thought.

Hypothetically- If sig is to be lynched and comes back as the Don (heaven for bid, with how he's played he is the Don lolz), I would look directly at Sloonei and Golden as the perpetrators. And even I would have to answer for a few things I suppose.

The way I see it, I currently trust Golden and Sloonei's lead because it makes sense, and they're so sure of their reads that it's kind of startling.

and anyone looking to tunnel on sig at this point (and to an extent that last lynch) if he is bad, I am inherently going to be suspicious of. I feel sig is grasping at straws here, and if I'm right, this looks worse for DDL, who has gradually started to join the sig train before it gets to the station.
If sig is bad, you know at this point he knows his goose is cooked and would be welcoming any and everyone to ride him like a mechanical bull at closing time.

This post stood out to me at the time because Scotty shared a lot of "if, then" suspicions that I didn't necessarily agree with and I believe I asked him to follow up on it then. It caught my eye this time around, though, because of the weird suggestion that sig could be the Don and that for some reason that implicate Golden and myself. I do not follow any of this, Scotty. Could you elaborate on this week old thought process?

4 pages into Scotty's post history and I'm leaning much more town than I was before. Outside of those couple points of confusion I am reading him as consistently trying to solve the game. His thought process tends to make sense to me and he's exhibited a healthy amount of paranoia, throwing suspicions and reads around all over the place. I would say he's sharing too many reads to be bad, in a way.

The point about which I was most suspicious of Scotty for was his vote history, but after looking at it again I can't fault him for much:
Day 1: chaindeath (1st of 2 voters)
Day 2: agleaminranks (only voter)
Day 3: sig (Earliest vote on the Sig wagon)
Day 4: agleaminranks (7th of 9)
Day 5: Dragon D. Luffy (4 of 13)
Day 6: Boomslang (3 of 6)


The first couple votes don't look great in that he was not really a part of the lynches. Without knowing sig's role we can't really know for sure how to read everyone's reactions to him after Day 2. Scotty and I voted the same people each day from 4-6.

I feel better about Scotty than I did before doing this ISO, and I was already leaning town on him.

indiglo wrote:

Scotty wrote:

indiglo wrote:EBWOP -

I meant to preview rather than submit.

There are also multiple Scotty's. (which should make any universe tremble at the mere thought)

I'll check the teleporter and get that fixed, cap'n

*Scottish accent* We can't take much more sir!!!!!




Actually, I think you only appeared on the list twice... which to me doesn't really a pattern make, since there were 6 lynches on it.


Also, just out of curiosity, is your moniker Scotty really from Star Trek?

indiglo wrote:EBWOP -

I meant to preview rather than submit.

There are also multiple Scotty's. (which should make any universe tremble at the mere thought)

sig wrote:

indiglo wrote:

Epignosis wrote:indiglo, my amusing friend. Who do you want to lynch tomorrow? I feel comfortable supporting you if it comes down to it again.

Well, I certainly don't have any special knowledge, so let me put that out there. But I'd feel ok with Boomrique again. And I'm also interested in looking Quin's way. I'm more comfortable looking at sig again too. (Ain't that a shocker?)

Beyond that, I am also totally open to listening to anyone in the Fantastic Four (not necessarily accurate in number, but you catch my drift) and who they would like to go after.

nooooo sig is nice, sig believes he shouldn't be lynched. Lynching sig won't send a Message to anyone.

Quin wrote:Would everyone be so kind as to name one player who at this point, you would 100 oppose a lynch for?

I pick indiglo.