The Syndicate

Hey BDH- good stuff my man! You are by my count the MVP of this game for the civs.

Cracking that safe and ending up with all those items at once could overwhelm a person, but you meticulously doled out items to pretty awesome results. You also chose to block bwt at the perfect time, so that's great stuff. Thanks for netting me and the rest of the civs a win for this game! I thought we were doomed from day 5 onward, so whoosh this is all surprising.

I can't say Epi was the MVP of the civs, though if he hadn't killed INH in his kamakaze jamboree, I dunno if the game would have continued. So thanks Epi!

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Daisy made you winners some awesome banners! Wear them with pride! Congrats to BigDamnHero, DFaraday, DrWilgy, Elohcin, LoRab, Matt, Russtifinko, Scotty, sig, SokothQultuq, and Quin!!

Cool... how do I put them on?

Quin is this your first win??!

buddy! Welcome to the winners club!

Yay! Good game guys, especially BDH for cracking the code and getting 11 items! Jesus.

I played like dogpoop this game and almost feel as though we won despite my play. So much stuff happening behind the scenes I had no idea who was who towards the end. I definitely wanted timmer dead and didn't think for a sec that Russ was bad, but the others were a crapshoot. The beginning 3 phases of this game was quite demoralizing for me, where I was one of the top vote getters for the first 3 lynches. Then replacing in to rabbit just to be under fire again for similar reasons, I was ready to walk away from the game. So yeah, this was not the most fun game for me, but I'm glad the more well-minded civs saved the day.

LoRab, you asked me to answer you in post game why I killed Russ when I did? I was having a very busy spell, thus reflecting my segmented posts and thought processes early on, so I listed the top 3 people I was suspicious of early on. I knew that the Engagement Ring could make someone die in place of someone else, and while I wanted to use it later on someone else getting lynched that seemed civ and someone that didn't, I just kept getting under fire for whatever reason. So I gave it to whom I thought in that moment looked be fishiest, and it was between Epi, INH, and Russ, none of which were on my suspect list. I was hoping it wouldn't be traced back to me if I was wrong, and I agonized til a little before deadline which I would throw to the fire, and if it had been one of the other 2 it would have been game changing. But I was wrong. Very wrong

Then the host post listed exactly what I did with terrible consequences.
Then Russ immediately switched in to another role, assuming the likeness of someone else, and (rightly so) holding a grudge against me.
I wasn't sure if I could talk about items, so whenever someone asked me about why I used my ring, I didn't want to get in trouble. Plus, I had a pretty hollow reasoning anyway that I was hoping to stay buried. Russ returning and talking about his previous life really fucked me.

DharmaHelper wrote:Scotty don't be the sixth member of the Jackson Five

I'll be the 5th member to round it off and fill the vacancy

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rezz please.

nah, Scotty 3.0 still needs to make an appearance first.

timmer wrote:Seriously.

I'm here! I'm serious!

and dead tired.

If I die, I got nothing on who to lynch next.

Also, wonder who yin and yang are going to kill today. Please be nice and kill a cop.

Scotty out.

Epignosis wrote:I'm not moving. Let this decide who dies.

This would be quite the anticlimactic way to go

DFaraday wrote:I don't see the case on Eloh, and that it came out of nowhere makes me think it's a save attempt. Voting Scotty.

Of course it's a save attempt. IM TRYING TO SAVE MYSELF

Epignosis wrote:So Eloh is going out after all that.

Not my first choice.

Who would you rather vote for? Would you follow BDH down timmer highway?

Anyone wanna CFD to timmer to join BDH?

Fudge nuggets.

Changing to Elo to save myself.

Also @RUSS
you can't vote yourself, Chico. Might as well vote somewhere else instead of inviting a lynch. I know you seem to have given up, but the civs have not lost yet.

I'm completely clueless what's going on.

Some people know things, and can't info dump, but might have provided too much to "help the baddies" which leads me to question if the player in question is actually cleared.

The items? I dunno.

I'm just voting to save myself.

Although, bwt going through the motions of looking at the information that I have provided, is fine standing pat with a vote on me.

Cool, I'll move my vote over to him.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:Also...ro all y'all who are playing mafia on your phones with your outrageously long posts: you are SICK IN THE FRIGGIN' HEAD!!!!!! My wife used to do this from a blackberry when she first began and I even called HER crazy. There's enthusiasm, dedication and enjoyment, but posting some of these long diatribes on an itty bitty screen and even ittier bittier keypad is like crack-addict mafia playing right there, yo!

@INH: I'm old-school mafia, so the fact the we have the ability to change our VOTES has just wrinkled my brains this entire game. I mean, what bigger form of fli-flopping is there than to commit to one verdict and then literally change it when the tides turn or a more prevailing wind blows...

it sucks. My gf just sits there and shooting daggers at the back of my head when I do it, since I type with my fat thumbs and most of my typing is going back to correct the shitty autocorrect.

Is that because she's in the backseat?

nah, she's riding shotgun and I'm currently looking to my left.

BigDamnHero wrote:Also...ro all y'all who are playing mafia on your phones with your outrageously long posts: you are SICK IN THE FRIGGIN' HEAD!!!!!! My wife used to do this from a blackberry when she first began and I even called HER crazy. There's enthusiasm, dedication and enjoyment, but posting some of these long diatribes on an itty bitty screen and even ittier bittier keypad is like crack-addict mafia playing right there, yo!

@INH: I'm old-school mafia, so the fact the we have the ability to change our VOTES has just wrinkled my brains this entire game. I mean, what bigger form of fli-flopping is there than to commit to one verdict and then literally change it when the tides turn or a more prevailing wind blows...

it sucks. My gf just sits there and shooting daggers at the back of my head when I do it, since I type with my fat thumbs and most of my typing is going back to correct the shitty autocorrect.

BigDamnHero wrote:@SCotty: That last question about me thinking Eloh is a certain role comes down to process of elimination. I feel she is civ and so there are only a few civ roles left. No, I don't think she's Shawn. But I know who I am (duh), and I believe I may know who Epi is, which leaves only a couple that Eloh could potentially be. Now granted, if even one assumption is wrong, the whole philosophy falls like a house of cards, but that's the game.

I'm leaning towards voting either BWT or timmer today, tbqh...

Interesting. I have no idea what role anyone is, but if you say so..

Id still look at a timmer vote today. Will look at BWT as well- I haven't looked into him at all, since his tone didn't bother me as much when I was dead.
Though at this point, unless some gentlefellows take their hands off me (those damn dirty apes) I'll probably be saving myself.

Linki @timmer: nah, I was more after you because of your voting pattern and soft defending of Dom

BigDamnHero wrote:If my trust in Epi has been misplaced in this game, then I am well and truly BONED because I'm fairly certain he has deduced my identity. That being said, I do believe I may have been one of the ?????? failed NK attempts. I received no notification/confirmation that I was , but if so, I have NO IDEA how I would have survived it.

I don't understand your relationship with Epi but both of you seem to have a little secret and I hate not knowing secrets.

My aunt is named Chatty Kathy for two reasons: her name is Kathy, and she loves to talk. LOVES it. Which is great when I need to know how many cousins I have this year, and not great when the discussion focuses on her girlfriends' menstrual cycle syncing.

I don't know why I brought that up.

@Russ I know how frustrated you are, and that's why I'm having trouble voting you- you're having a lot of the same frustrations I'm having, which reads genuine to me.

Also Russ, you can't vote yourself. I did that already then looked up the rules. It's illegal

BigDamnHero wrote:I worked from 6pm to 4am yesterday, got 2 hrs sleep and now I'm transferring my mom from one nursing center of another...my day is pretty full...

That's being said, I'm reading the thread and WILL vote before poll closes. Russ' recent pleas kinda strike a chord with me, though. I need to for a bit. We NEED to get this right to get back in this game or have any hope of achieving a civ victory.

Someone earlier, I think Scotty maybe, questioned my gift exchange w/ Elo. I.hope.ots not crossing a line but I'm gonna say it anyway: there's no danger in the gift I'm exchanging. It CAN ONLY HELP if Elon is a civ (and the civ I think she may possibly be) or else do absolutely nothing if she's one of the baddies. I've tried to be active with items but nothing I've done seems to have produced any results, unfortunately.

I'm not questioning your gift exchange. Hell, I gifted you an item last night (this isn't breaking rules afaik) so if anyone wants an item, it's me, should I still be alive.

Rabbit had Multiple items in his possession when I inherited the role. None of them benefited me so I gifted them our to who I thought were civs. Hope y'all use it to your advantage.

And what about Elo strikes you as a certain civ role? Do you think she's Shawn?

timmer wrote:

Scotty wrote: "Still Wilgy"? She hadn't talked about Wilgy but lumping him in with LoRab and Rabbit as having 2 posts on day 2.

But suddenly, she could vote for Wilgy, right after LoRab voted for MM, to put 3 votes on him.




I'm gonna vote Elo. Anyone else see what I'm seeing?

Well, she did have this previous post:

Elohcin wrote:After catching up, I am up for voting for Scotty or Wilgy. Wilgy b/c Sokoth's ISO or whatever you wanna call it was very good and makes him look bad. Scotty b/c he SEEMS like he is very active in the game and trying to be helpful, but he really isn't. He's trying to look civ, but naming players and giving no explanations doesn't help find baddies. In fact, I will go ahead and play my vote on Scotty for now.

Did you not see that one?

I did see that one. I was more referring to any time in that phase, Day 4. She suspected Wilgy in Day 2. The start of her Day 4 entailed her questioning her own abilities and "not having any pings" on anyone. That's like me voting for BDH for something he said on day 1, because I said he smelled funny once.

Except that wouldn't tie the vote up with someone we now know to be bad (MM).

Woah guys, I'm just now looking at Elo's voting record and I don't like what I see.

Day 2- she votes for Scotty1.0 to give me 5 votes. This is right after Quin voted for Dom to bring him to 3.
Day 3- was a wash like I was afraid of. She voted for Scotty1.0 with 8 other people.
Day 4- She TIES UP THE VOTE by voting for Wilgy, bringing it 3-3 Wilgy and MM. This was followed by timmer and bwt.
Day 5- she joins the bandwagon for Sokoth.

Most of her play has been her nodding her agreement with cases. Her most damning vote comes in Day 4 by swaying the vote away from MM.

Elohcin wrote:Okay, so in light of Epi's post, I decided to go back and read Day 2. Then I decided to read individual players on Day 2. And still...I got nuttin'!! I don't know what's wrong with me this game, but I'm having a hard time finding any, what you call, pings.

This was one of her few posts on Day 4. It's not what I would call a confident voter.
But she does spend most of her posting on day 4 contemplating secrets behind the crooked cops kill, which isn't inherently suspicous. She suspects the baddies are inactive. Ok.

Elohcin wrote:

LoRab wrote:OK. Read up.

Thoughts on the names that have come up, because at this moments, I don't have any suspects of my own and I've been wrong about suspicions up until now, so I'm self doubting, and I didn't have time to read back through earlier posts. Also, it's less than 2 hours, and more names would only make it easier for mafia to manipulate the lynch, assuming (like Epi) many missing voters).

MM I could definitely see as bad. Especially after the vote for Sig, with no stated reason for doing so.

Russ I would be very surprised to find out was bad.

Wilgy, I'm unsure. I'm not very good at reading him. My gut tells me he is civ, but my gut could be totally wrong.

Sig, I really don't think is bad. I'm willing to revisit that at some point, but I don't see enough evidence that he's bad at this point to change my thinking.

So, I'm voting MM, because I think that's where I'm seeing the strongest reasoning at this point.

My top suspect is still wilgy. And with no developments today on who could be bad b/c of Night 2's kill, I have to stick with my vote on him. But, this post here doesn't sit well with me. The way Lorab describes wilgy sounds like how a baddie would describe a teammate. I also don;t like how she voted for MM and gave the exact reasoning that a previous player gave. If wilgy is bad, Lorab has my next vote.

"Still Wilgy"? She hadn't talked about Wilgy but lumping him in with LoRab and Rabbit as having 2 posts on day 2.

But suddenly, she could vote for Wilgy, right after LoRab voted for MM, to put 3 votes on him.




I'm gonna vote Elo. Anyone else see what I'm seeing?

Let's change the subject a bit.

What do you think of Elo? She has done nothing this phase but agree with you and make sure she gets that item from BDH.

I took a step back from last night. I don't mean to appeal to emotions or bring the Pity Party on me. I find that cheap. But I am still frustrated. I'm willing to consider that Epi is not all bad.

I was not expecting to be brought back, and had ideas of who was bad before. I was crestfallen to learn Matt was not bad. My strategy going into this new role and persona is finding something I find suspicious and delving further into that. What it's done is create a chasm between those people and the rest. I'm pooling all of my resources into a couple people at a time, and perhaps this step back is helpful. Doesn't help I have 4 votes on me of people convinced cases are "damning" but in stead of giving up, I want to keep fighting for civs.

Because once again, I'm good. This game has been messy all around for me, as I would feel pretty bad at myself if we lost because I was mislynched...twice.

Epignosis wrote:Scotty has come back and said nothing about Russtifinko, a situation I've been monitoring.

Perhaps people have forgotten, but Russtifinko replaced in calling for Scotty1's head.

Try rereading these exchanges:

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Russtifinko wrote:

Scotty wrote:

BackFromTheDead wrote:

Error404 wrote:

GoneButNotForgotten wrote:........aaaaaaand I missed the poll. Rats.

Good luck civs! Glad I got to play, even though my time was short.

You were taken so soon. You were so young!

But it's ok because I'm back!

Things I now believe (though I could in fact be wrong):

1) Scotty is Bad News Bears.
2) He was probably saved on D1, so Matt and/or Epi look pretty darn bad too.

Thoughts?

So I know there must be rules in place for this, but I'm assuming you can't talk about your precious self life.

I'm wondering what led you to this conclusion in your current role.
Is #2 a separate thought from #1? Or is #1 a conclusion from #2?


Anyone wanna talk about my 9 person train from yesterday ...or start the Scotty-is-bad locomotive again?

Well, I don't see any rules about discussing you previous life - just items. However, you made it pretty clear what happened in a previous post, so I'll let people use that to figure it out for themselves. What happened doesn't make you look any better to me.

#2 does follow from #1, so #1 seems like a good place to start. In addition to probably nabbing a baddie, lynching you will also get us the most info, since then we'll know for sure if it was a save and how to take the late votes that saved you D1.

So I say ALL ABOOOOOOOOOARD! CHOO CHOO!

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Russtifinko wrote:

Epignosis wrote:One of the earliest reasons civilians get hosed is the ever-present assumption that someone was being saved.

Russ, explain to me why I would save Scotty Day 1 only to turn against him Day 2. Detail your theory as much as you can. What makes it "probable" that Scotty was saved?

If it looked like he was going down regardless, makes sense to hop on the bandwagon as unobtrusively as possible. And given how many votes he got, another vote save waspretty improbable. Add to that, that it was likely any teammates he had knew he would survive anyway, and why the hell not pile on and hide in the crowd?

As you say, you turned against Scotty D2. Are you still against him? Because this reads to me as a soft defense. Which would make perfect sense if in fact you are both bad and Scotty can now be lynched, if you think you have a chance of getting me first and delaying his death another day.

Scotty wrote:If sig is good, then Day 1 voting is basically a wash. If I am lynched and come back as town, how would that skew your "he was saved" idea?

I don't like the cut of your jib, Russ 2.0.

Of course you don't, lol. You're trying to live, and I'm trying to get you killed.

Not sure how to respond to your question....clearly if you were good, you weren't saved by baddie teammates. Duh.

Regardless, we can't confirm or deny the theory without lynching you.

Linki: Yeah I don't understand that post either. Who are you referring to, Scotty?

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Russtifinko wrote:

Scotty wrote:Oh nm INH is arrested.

I could vote Russ 2.0 just based on TH's behavior yesterday of asking to be arrested. It's not like he had alot of traction for a lynch today.

Russ 2.0: what do you make of your predecessor's desire to be arrested last night?

Well, being off the poll is always nice. TH was also replaced because of "host error", so maybe it had something to do with that?

Nice NO U, by the way. You're doing a decent job of pretending you have reasons for wanting me dead besides that I want you dead.

Russ2 was keen on lynching Scotty, and one of his main reasons was that doing so would "give us the most info." Scotty1 got lynched. What did Russtifinko do with the information he gleaned from Scotty1's lynch? I looked. The answer is "Nothing of note."

Now Scotty is back, and not once does Scotty2 even so much as express any curiosity about Russ2' alignment after that fiasco. And now they are voting together without questioning each other at all. This means that, even without saying so, Scotty has revealed that he believes a leader in his former life's lynch is good to the extent that he is willing to support Russtifinko's case against timmer.

Even though...

You know what? I'm just going to take the spoiler tags off this:

Russtifinko wrote:

Scotty wrote:Oh nm INH is arrested.

I could vote Russ 2.0 just based on TH's behavior yesterday of asking to be arrested. It's not like he had alot of traction for a lynch today.

Russ 2.0: what do you make of your predecessor's desire to be arrested last night?

Well, being off the poll is always nice. TH was also replaced because of "host error", so maybe it had something to do with that?

Nice NO U, by the way. You're doing a decent job of pretending you have reasons for wanting me dead besides that I want you dead.

Good Scotty expressed suspicion of Russ2, but is now supporting him without breathing a word about his opinion of a guy who voted for him.

Nobody is fooling me.

Ugh, I don't have time to format on my phone.

Epi, it's hard for me to separate baddies from that lynch. I know baddies votes for me. Timmer started the vote for me early on day 2, and you followed. Russ continued the same sentiment a lot of the town said: "we'll learn something". Did you? Nah, because everyone and their mother hopped on that train but I hoped anyway.

I found Russ 2.0's actions indicative of someone who thought the info was right there and obvious. I felt the same about Matt. So Russ 2.0 wasn't someone I was focusing on. LoRab suspected me for similar reasons and I didn't suspect her, until Sokoth's reveal, in which I followed that to its end. Was I wrong on LoRab? Yes. Was I right on LoRab? Most likely.

So could Russ 2.0 be bad for wanting me lynched? Yea, sure. I'll go there. I could vote there. Voting in the same block of someone who I previously suspected for Yin does not a crooked cop make.

What do you expect me to say about someone who's been passionately after my head all game?
I'm referring to you, by the way.

Epignosis wrote:I want you all to look at Russ' post up there toward me. "So unless you can convince me there's incontrovertible proof 2 replacements are bad, then I think you're oversimplifying and ignoring a lot of useful stuff by limiting yourself to looking only at replacements."

Am I looking only at replacements? Am I ignoring a lot of "useful stuff?" What useful stuff is Russ talking about? He doesn't say. What useful stuff, Russ?

I saw this post, and happened to agree with Russ here, because I didn't trust you. I still don't, but am working on changing my viewpoint and fast before you get me mislynched again.

Are you looking only at replacements? Well, that's not quite true, but is mostly. You are only voting for Replacements today, based on the math in your head. Russ probably could have phrased that better, but then again I could have phrased most things better this game. The "ignoring useful stuff" I even echoed in my posts.

The whole reason you're after replacements, Epi, is that you strongly believe BDH to be good, and sig to be good. And that's assuming you're good.

Just look at those votes pile up.

Eerily reminiscent of early game, ain't it?

No one finds that suspicious that I'm having no resistance, once again? Timmer got resistance.

I mean, you can't all be bad, but apparently you can be lazy.

I'm done putting up a resistance. Once again, I'm trying too hard in the game and it's making me irritable. Next time I replace in, I'm just gonna pop in every now and then and say "hey, I agree with the majority, that person is bad". Sounds like a winning strategy.

No, I'm not gonna talk to the mods. I've got it out in my past life and over the past day. It's just a game, I know, but it just sucks. Someone just tell me who to vote, I'm over making cases right now, it's just not worth it.

I'm getting very worked up this game. More so because I was wrongfully exploited on the first go round, and here I am again. Im honestly trying to lynch baddies. I don't care what rabbit did before me. I'm good, I'm pissed and I'm slowly losing my patience.

Sorry I'm getting snippy. I just don't like losing, and once again, I seem to be at the center of the vote.

Elohcin wrote:That there is enough for me to place a vote on Scotty. I'll hear him out if he has a defense, but the facts are pretty damning.

Which points do you agree with?

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:And Epi continues to disregard my questions. Then votes me, because.........

Uh, I'm actually unsure. Because my previous self suspected rabbit and since I no longer think rabbit is suspicious because I am rabbit, that's suspicious?

Unsure? That's how you summarize my opinion of you? Thats how I summarize my opinion of your opinion of me.

Scotty wrote: You say it's mathematically impossible for all replacements to be civ. To back yourself up, you say that sig is Shawn and BDH is civ.

Oh wait, that's not confirmed. Neither of those are confirmed. As a matter of fact, I think sig is Yang, but that doesn't matter because he's not a mathematic part of the equation. He is a variable, not the rule. And BDH? Where is he confirmed civ? How do you know he is civ? I mean, you must KNOW he is civ based on some info, or else that wouldn't be mathematically confirmed.

When someone uses what information is available to him to figure things out, I would expect other civilians to appreciate the effort and the direction. You are indignant about it. Why?

You say sig is Yang, which isn't based on anything but his escape of the Day 1 lynch. I provided a logically sound analysis regarding sig.

BDH voted you the previous Day along with sig. I would have expected you to come into this probing BDH and sig for their votes, but you haven't said anything about BDH other than to complain about my perspective of him. Don't crap on my perspective when you haven't offered an alternative.

I do appreciate the effort of using info, if you actually are civ. That's why I felt like voting you would be a mistake since no one else if really taking the time to do that. The problem is, you are usually really good at framing a certain viewpoint, so I'm hesitant to say a civ Epi or a Mafia Epi would be different in the aspect of information framing. And I am harping on the wording, since you are so intent on harping of my wording. Mathematically eliminating? Hardly. That implies concrete info. You're framing it as if your opinion is objective and canon, which it is not. That's my point here.

RE: BDH- yeah, being dead had me only doing cursory glances at the thread and getting tone reads, which is slightly different for me. I found BDH had a positive tone while I was dead, and I actually don't see him as bad. So I mean I can agree with you on that point. And I'm not crapping on your perspective, ok? That's your opinion, not fact. That's, again, the point I was making. I think we both agree that BDH looks civ.

Scotty wrote:Why did you stop suspecting INH? Or do you? You continue to ignore my prodding to talk about one of the people you said you would vote for. Why is that?

I stopped suspecting INH? i dunno, that's why I was asking.

Epignosis wrote:Were I to vote right now, it would be one of three people: Russ, Scotty, or INH.

Damn.

And I'm ignoring your "prodding?" Yes. You are. I still don't know WHY you suspect him. It's like choosing pants to wear that day, but forgetting you laid them out, and finding them 3 weeks later and being like 'oh hey, I should wear those some day'"

Epignosis wrote:The site is behaving itself now. I am cooking though, and then eating. When I return, I'm going to read through INH and birdwithteeth and report. After that, I am going to complete my analysis of the replacements. One of you bad.

I only got through half of bwt because I decided to do other things with my time last night, like kick ass in Settlers of Catan.

Why is my opinion of INH so urgent for you? i don't like you leaving things open ended.

Scotty wrote:Hey Epi, awesome that all BDH had to do was 'hey, what does everyone think of BWT" and you do a full analysis on page 1 of his posts. Cool beans. I actually agree with your sleuthing and that bwt does look better for it.

BDH has more credibility with me than you do. He controls a vote I can trust. I can't say the same about yours. I can also trust that BDH is earnestly seeking my input and isn't attempting to sway my focus.

Because he's loyal to you, you mean? Sorry I'm not a lapdog

Scotty wrote:What do you think of timmer, who has had 2 votes for some time? I can't remember the last time you have mentioned him, let alone comment on a case.

I don't have an opinion of timmer. How is timmer having two votes "for some time" relevant to my opinion of him? Curious of your opinion of him. Thought that you would at least take to that case, at least a little, instead of just sticking to Replacementville.

Scotty wrote:Now do that for timmer and INH pretty please. I'm putting my feelers out and all that. I'll buy you a metaphoric beer. But domestic draft only, I'm not the captain of the Enterprise for gods sake

If I get to it. You gunning for Lorab on the basis of "info" and then trying to discredit my view of sig and BDH as though I have some kind of info in their favor does not improve my opinion of you. You're wrong and you came right back with "Hey, what do you think of INH?" It gives me the impression that you are looking for any place to stick your vote. That you've voted alongside my other main suspect also doesn't help. More on that in a moment.

ah, but even though LoRab wasn't bad, my analysis was correct. Info did lead Sokoth to concluding she was bad, and it was just a matter of not trusting that his check could have been bad.

My vote is pliable. But you're being indignant in marching to your own drum, which is nothing new for you, however it's really taking a toll on me this game.

Scotty wrote: Oh, out of all the living people you've looked at, you pick me.

Wah.

You haven't given me a compelling reason to move my vote to Russtifinko.

Scotty wrote:Is it because I'm voting for your teammate and this is your way of defending him?

No. I said I was voting you, Russ, or INH today before anybody voted.

SO WHY ARE YOU CONTEMPLATING VOTING INH? Jeez, I'm sorry I sound like a broken French horn, but you're being purposefully vague.

Eh, voting Epi.

timmer wrote:I've got to head to bed, man. As time permits tomorrow I will try to find my own cases but if I see something that makes sense, even if isn't my own thought, I may follow it. If it makes sense, it makes sense.

Fair enough man. Look forward to it!

Just looking at some INH points:
Day 1: he votes Scotty1.0 for being goofy
Day 2: He votes me again, but this time after agreeing with timmer.
Day 3: He is in jail
Day 4: he votes sig, because he is convinced sig is bad:

insertnamehere wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Sig could also be Shawn, so I'm really not liking that INH and MM are so blithe about voting him. The most likely options to a Sig lynch I see are A) He's Yang and nothing happens again, or B) He's Shawn and we just lost a major civvie.

My case for voting Sig really rests in Sig's posting history. He seems to be trying so hard to pass himself off as invulnerable that it seems hollow to me. There's a very good chance he's bluffing, and Timmer provided an example of a time in the past when he did the same thing.

This mindset of "Sig must be either A or B." is reductive and limiting.

I'd ask you to read his posts and maybe try to think outside of the box.

It isn't reductive. Explain what is outside the box. Who is sig, and why are you voting for him?

Sig is a person who I think has said and done some shady stuff this game. People are giving him a pass because he wasn't lynched on Day 1. I think doing so is incorrect and playing directly into his hand. I think he's purposefully bluffing, and attempting to get through this game scot-free. A Crooked Cop would have a much better chance of having access to a lynch stop item. Plus, there are the infamous secret descriptions in their roles, which could theoretically have something to do with lynches. Thinking that Sig has to either be Shawn or Yang because he survived a lynch is reductive. I'm trying to get people to free their minds, dude.

Don't know the logic behind the underlined, but ok. He really wants sig dead.

Day 5: he votes bwt. This is the oddest one.
His suspicion of sig? That throwaway vote to lynch sig on day 4? Yeah, guess that was a wash. Did he just realize no one would pick up on the fact that trying to lynch sig was just a bad idea? Conveniently, he started broadening his scope on the player field right after MM was killed. Very timely time to start coming alive. Very Thriller-esque!


So I guess my question to you, INH: what is your perception of sig now? What made you change your game plan to looking elsewhere? Would you still vote sig if you got support from the rest of the town?

timmer wrote:Scotty do you know what one of the most fun things I like to do as a baddie is? Make someone defend himself, over and over again, and then say "you aren't even making cases, you're just defending yourself".

You want me to make a case but simultaneously ate forcing me to defend a vote I made in good faith. And you are smart enough to know that defending isn't just for people with current votes in a poll

Again, who would I be defending? Any specifics? Because no one else is jumping out to me.
Who do you find suspicous?

I'm going to lay off grilling you from here on, and hope other people weigh in, like INH who I saw popped in multiple times during the past hour but didn't post.

timmer wrote:Wow. If I were holding to some kind of persona, and bad, I'd have not stuck my head out on day 2.But I do, rarely, get a day off. So now you ate attempting to use the fact that I had a day off and used it to get more caught up than usual and actually think for myself against me.

Scotty, you need to take off thy blinders.

I'm not using your day off against you.

You led the case on me day 2. You were the first person to place a vote on me, followed by Epi. After several long posts building a case.

I'm not talking about having time, I'm talking about your philosophy in that last post talking about "who you are" as a Mafia player and showing you the exception.

timmer wrote:Once you have blinders on, anything, ANYTHING, can seem like a baddie at work. Hell we've even got Epig called out for being a vocal civ, lol. Take a second. Look at this from a safe remove. You have either convinced yourself that I am bad and are now unwilling to consider the alternative out of some kind of pride? Or you are bad and trying to save someone. If you are civ, you should be stepping back and THINKING.

Yes, I am aware it is possible I am completely wrong. I'll take a step back.

Let's say we're friends in this game.

Who do you think is suspicious? And why?

I don't mean to bully you, timmer. And of course I would feel very bad if you are a tired civ. In the game context, I see compounding reasons that you are bad. But I will consider the alternative. I will.

timmer wrote:Scotty why are you disregarding the other suspicions other while ignoring the simple fact that civs change their minds all of the time and often end up voting the wrong way. It's like you ate determined to push this Trumpian notion that you and only you know the truth and everyone else is wrong.

Look at it from both sides.

Or is it that your teammate is one of the others being looked at today, and this is your attempt at saving them? Honestly, why won't you consider the flip to your case? It smells of something.

You're the only one with votes (except for me). Who exactly would I be defending?

I'm all ears, mate. I specifically asked you to give me a case on someone, and I'll start looking elsewhere. Meanwhile, you're still defending yourself by telling me I'm tunneling.

Ok I'm tunneling, what else is new

Epignosis wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:Epi, what is your take on BWT? I can't seem to get a read on him. It's like I send feelers out and get NO RESPONSE back...

What feelers have you sent out? If you have questions, I will answer them.

That last part was more metaphorical, than literal...cuz I really haven't asked you anything directly. I just read through your posts and can't infer/decipher/pick-up-on anything. You just read as a complete blank to me and I've never realy had that happen before. I usually get SOME glimpse (whether correctly or incorrectly) about something. And I should make it clear, this is more about ME reading you than anything directed at you/your actions. But since we are having this discourse, what are your thoughts about our inability to seek out baddies in this game? Are we being manipulated?...Do we just suck at it?...Are the civs just more active making it harder to find the mafia crews?

Given the numbers, we're fucked, but that doesn't mean we can't go down swinging.

No we're not.

Hey Epi, awesome that all BDH had to do was 'hey, what does everyone think of BWT" and you do a full analysis on page 1 of his posts. Cool beans. I actually agree with your sleuthing and that bwt does look better for it.

Now do that for timmer and INH pretty please. I'm putting my feelers out and all that. I'll buy you a metaphoric beer. But domestic draft only, I'm not the captain of the Enterprise for gods sake

timmer wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

timmer wrote:Considering that mm voted for Sig, I'd think that my choosing not to vote for him yesterday would be seen in a good light, not a bad one.

It does in hindsight, but I'm not sure about that moment in time. To me, it looks more like you did a 180 rather than changed your mind due to new evidence. Unless I missed something where you had suspected MM previously.

Not at all, I jumped on the case. Look, you know how much time I have to play mafia these days. I cannot and will never any time soon, be a lead player. I can't follow every post, that's just not my game, and it hasn't been for some time.

So people should realize that this is who I am now; a player who picks up other people's cases and evaluates them. So if I seem to have swerved a few times, that's why.

So should we not hold you accountable for your actions then? You might not have the time you wish you had to play and build cases, and excuse yourself with the type of persona that drives in the backseat, but tell that to the timmer of Day 2 who started the vote train for my previous self. You helped mislynch me, and sure showed that "lead player" to me.

You might very well not have as much time to play, which is perfectly acceptable in and of itself. But that's not what you're arguing. You're arguing that you are inherently not someone who leads.

Which is bullsuit

And Epi continues to disregard my questions. Then votes me, because.........

Uh, I'm actually unsure. Because my previous self suspected rabbit and since I no longer think rabbit is suspicious because I am rabbit, that's suspicious?

Epi, your logic trains are spaghetti this game.

You say it's mathematically impossible for all replacements to be civ. To back yourself up, you say that sig is Shawn and BDH is civ.

Oh wait, that's not confirmed. Neither of those are confirmed. As a matter of fact, I think sig is Yang, but that doesn't matter because he's not a mathematic part of the equation. He is a variable, not the rule. And BDH? Where is he confirmed civ? How do you know he is civ? I mean, you must KNOW he is civ based on some info, or else that wouldn't be mathematically confirmed.

Why did you stop suspecting INH? Or do you? You continue to ignore my prodding to talk about one of the people you said you would vote for. Why is that?

What do you think of timmer, who has had 2 votes for some time? I can't remember the last time you have mentioned him, let alone comment on a case.

Oh, out of all the living people you've looked at, you pick me.





Is it because I'm voting for your teammate and this is your way of defending him?

Russtifinko wrote:Sorry everyone. Busiest week I've had at work since I took the job. Not much energy left over for mental/computer work like mafia.

timmer wrote:

LoRab wrote:Also, Mr. Klingon, in your big post where you list all of the players and your thoughts on them, every player is in alphabetical order except for INH. Is that because his name is in a different place in your own list of players because he's your teammate?

Because it's really strange to me that everyone else would be in alpha order except that one.

That's an excellent catch, right there. And the fact that he is an "undecided" is classic baddie teammate.... throw a bit of shade, but not enough that you'd be voting there.

I suppose it's possible, but I would think the one thing a baddie would want to do in a post like that is avoid making their teammate stick out in any way, and checking alphabetical order like that is super easy. It's possible Sokoth was trying to do that and failed, but to me it seems more likely something a civ would do because they're more carefree. I disagree with LoRab's point, here. More importantly, though, this feels opportunistic from timmer, to me, and it got me looking into him.....

timmer wrote:I'm going to vote Sokoth now. Epig's and LoRab's thoughts have me convinced, and I believe INH is bad, as well. He was reading very sensible to me, but his voting with MM against Sig, and Sokoth's putting him last on her list... nope.

Also, in terms of LoRab's game play, this feels like her civvie game. When she's called out as bad she tends, imo, to post less and get more defensive. Here she's much more activelty defending herself and calling people out which fits civ lorab.

I don't like this, either. timmer thought INH was super reasonable and trustworthy, but one medium-sized case from Epi and he's completely sold that INH is bad? He also criticizes INH's vote with MM against sig, which is fair, except that timmer has probably been the most anti-sig person in the game.

I get it - timmer's Zodac experience gies him a different lens through which to view sig's play, so I can see him being more skeptical of sig than most. timmer switched his read on a player from "top X civs" to "top 2 baddies", and having your reasons be
1) Epi said so.
2) He voted for a person (sig) whom I have suspected for days and whom I said was possibly bad as recently as D4, and a confirmed baddie made the same vote.
quote="timmer"]I've put a vote on Wilgy.

Looking back through, I feel like both Wilgy and Sig could be bad, while I'm less sold on the MM case. I trust INH in this game, and haven't trusted Sig all game, however I also see the Wilgy logic, and Eloh is exactly right about the pingy tone of lorab's post, and so it makes more sense for me to vote him and put him ahead than to vote Sig and create a three-way tie that could be open to shenanigans and cause a dead MM instead.

3) A player whose alignment we don't know yet listed INH out of order on their earlier rainbow read. All of these reasons are astonishingly weak and more or less incoherent, and timmer should be getting scrutiny over this.

Note also that timmer had a chance to tie the lynch vote yesterday and refused to do so. Instead he voted Wilgy on the rationale "I also see the Wilgy logic", and specifically cited not wanting to risk MM dying as a reason for his vote!! This is only the second time all game that timmer mentioned Wilgy, the first being on D2:

timmer wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I say we end our hosts search for a replacement via lynch. Aren't I the nicest?

Wilgy, looking back it seems like your Dom suspicion began with this: "Dom is bad.

He's poking at Lorabbit's twirlibirdimarks after I already inqured about them. While not being directly opportunistic, he's looking for reasons to vote."

Where are you at, now? Obviously still focused on him, but is there more to your thoughts now that a day has passed? How do you feel the lynch went?

timmer essentially defends Dom here. This made sense when Dom was inactive, but I am arguing it makes way more sense knowing that Dom was in fact bad.

All that is far from a defense of INH. I actually would have preferred lynching INH over Sokoth today, and maybe I should have said so sooner. However, I realize that my judgement on INH may be skewed this game since he's been after me since I replaced in this role, so I held off.

This feels like hindsight now with the Day's end so close, but the Sokoth case worries me. There's similarly little resistance to when I went after Scotty, and a number of people (timmer and BWT come to mind, but possibly others) are saying "Sokoth today, INH next!" like it's a foregone conclusion Sokoth will flip bad. Anytime people do that, it makes me think that they probably won't.

This post took quite a turn from where I thought it would go. I've convinced myself to vote timmer, and to keep doing so until he or I is killed.[/quote]

I really like this case.
Timmer has been in my periphery for a bit, and while he led the brigade on me on day 2, which got us nowhere, I didn't necessarily fault him for that.
But his attitude of the past few days after MM flipped bad has me doubling back. I thought timmer thrived after catching a bad guy. Instead, he indeed soft defends Dom/MM and stays rather inactive in regards to building any cases from it.

Since Dom was killed by YingYang twins, he has done nothing in terms of establishing cases. There's this post: where he says he is going to concentrate on relevant cases, and not just defend himself.

Well, OK. He agreed with Epi's "case" on Sokoth and INH. Doesn't really put up any other thoughts. When Russ confronts him, it's just been a "nah, I'm not bad bro" kind of attitude. I feel like he's concentrating on the sun, and if he concentrates too hard, he might be blind in a phase.

Yo timmer, I'm voting you with Russ. Let's see if you can build your own cases, and let's see if anyone comes out of the woodwork to defend you.

sig wrote:I've been a civ with BTSC a few times, I usually leave little unnoticeable hints, and I wouldn't be surprised if Lorab was killed for having BTSC. If she trusted the player and told them who she was they'd kill her at the first chance they got.

Scotty brings up a good point on Ying/Yang and riddles. If Shawn is bad at puzzles or inactvie then it doesn't matter, but if the riddles are really that hard perhaps that can help clue us in to who Ying/Yang are?

Who do you think is Shawn, sig?

I don't feel bad tracking him down right now openly. I don't know what his role entails with protections as the game goes on, but I'd like to eliminate our Shawn from the suspect pool at our earliest convenience before we start meandering closer to LYLO

Linki: I thought maybe he was a green check from Soko, but the more I think about it, bwt has not been a contributor to throwing Tabasco in the soup this game.

It's timmer, BWT and INH on my head.

Epi STILL hasn't weighed in on what he thinks of INH this phase except to say that he would vote for him.

I also must say, Epi, you really started to get the ball rolling right after MM was lynched. As if to say "we're doing great gang, let's work together to finish this," yet otherwise possibly determining, "shit, we need to fan flames and get people talking every which way. Shaggy and Scooby, you go down that dark hallway with ghostly clanking, and I'll go with Daphne over here to this finely lit motel room"

Epi, why did you vote Sokoth over INH yesterday?

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:I think focusing on replacements being alignment indicative is a mistake. So far, it's Russ, DF and me that have come back. We were all announced as civ at death. We replaced into roles from players that went MIa. That's all. I know I can't help what rabbit has done before me.

That's true...in the early phases. It is no longer the early phases. It is now numerically impossible for all three replaced persons to be civilian. Impossible. So there is good reason to scrutinize the replacements at this stage.

I've given very little attention to DFaraday. I will now remedy that.

Explain like I'm 5 about that point. Why is it impossible with 5 civilians still alive?

And I'm not saying replacements shouldn't be scrutinized, but the fact that they are replacements is not an alignment indicator.

Why are you misconstruing what I'm saying, Epi?

Going back to Shawn.

Either Shawn is very bad at solving puzzles or Yin/Yang are throwing Stephen Hawking-level equations at him.

Aight Russ, I'll look at timmer, since you seem to think tour case is pretty airtight

BigDamnHero wrote:Ok, so there's a lot I wanna comment on, but don't really have the time/energy to do any sort of epic linki quote-back post so I'm just freestylin' this...most of which is just gonna be rhetorical thoughts I need to get out of my brain so as to free up space for more meaningful contemplations...so here goes...

First off, all these 2.0 players has my mind reeling. I've never really seen this happen before and it's causing me to make me wonder (aside from a lack of replacement players) why they are coming back in which leads me to ponder the hosts motives/rationalizations for allowing them to return in new roles. That in turn leads me down the WIFM road and consider whether they would then assign them to a contrary allignment or keep them civ (as most of them had been in their first incarnation). It also makes reading them harder since we have heard their voices before (potentially laying credibility) but now have to reevaluate those same people under a new light.

Secondly, to Scotty's point. Epi has been very vocal (though he always seems to have been in what I know of his overll play style). I've statd before I thought Epi was civ, so I really don't get the "Scotty baddie slip-up" accusations. If he thought Epi was civ, why is it a slip-up to call him "the most vocal civ?" That being said, I would put Epi in a very rare and exclusive category of mafia players who can convince anybody of anything all the while twisting the knife he stabbed in your back but making you smile as he does it I still believe 99% that Epi is civ, but that remaining 1% makes me wonder if he isn't just playing us all...after all, his theories haven't came remotely close to netting us any baddies yet...

I think focusing on replacements being alignment indicative is a mistake. So far, it's Russ, DF and me that have come back. We were all announced as civ at death. We replaced into roles from players that went MIa. That's all. I know I can't help what rabbit has done before me.

I would say to your Epi pout that I, again, feel as though Epi is a quandary, and is bringing cases forward, which is what the civs need. Is he a civ bringing discussion, or a Mafia steering the thread?

As for his theories not netting any baddies yet...see...this is my biggest delimma. Epi and I sorta sparred all Downton Abbey until the end: I waffled on whether or not he was bad because he was vocal and putting out arguments and they were almost all wrong. And I was convinced he was steering the thread then.
But we were both civ and we both survived til the end. Somehow.

So even if Epi is Mafia leading us astray, I want to keep looking around, there's still 2 baddies, so it would be nice to eliminate from the slew of other people before Epi. Thass how i see it.

Epi, what do you think of your other suspect from yesterday, INH and his response to his accusations?

Elohcin wrote:So Lorab was killed (RIP). Why would they kill her when she was being suspected by some?

Yeah I have no idea, except maybe to make me look bad.

Again.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:Well for one thing, my new top suspicions are LoRab and Epi.

Epi is one person who I've been going back and forth on- for one, I agreed with his views on INH. For two, he's actually been the most vocal civ in the last phase, and when everyone started piling on Sokoth, it was pretty clear from an outside perspective that Sokoth was definitely a mislynch. Trust me, I was screaming. INH's voting pattern is pretty shit. But then again, so is Epi's. Why include Sokoth in talks with INH? I think INH looked much more damning, and if LoRab were to be bad, your choice to put the hammer down on Sokoth looks like someone that chose to vote there when a baddie teammate LoRab nervously exclaimed in the chat "Sokoth is onto me, let's take him down". This one is reaching possibly, but that's a scenario I want to look at the next day.

Do you suspect me or am I a civilian?

Whoopsadoodle.

Scotty wrote:INH's voting pattern is pretty shit. But then again, so is Epi's.

Tell me who does have good voting record. I'll wait.

Better yet, I'll go grab the only meaningful data regarding the voting records of living people for you:

Metalmarsh89
3
Quin (7), DFaraday (8), LoRab (10) 23%

That's it. What do you make of it?

What do you think of the case I laid out Epi? Instead of laughing over a potential "slip", Mr. 'My Keyboard must have a mind of its own this game'.

That should read as the most vocally civ. You sound civ, you really do. That was my reservation.

I'm not laughing, and there was nothing potential about that. You called me one of your "new top suspicions" and then called me "the most vocal civ."

For the sake of argument, let's accept your rephrasing. You say you meant I "read as the most vocally civ." That implies there exists such a thing as "the most vocally bad." Who, in your opinion, fits that description? If you contend that no one does or that there is no such thing, then what you claim you meant to say is inherently meaningless.

Great. It's meaningless. You will always win the game of attrition when it comes to nitpicky semantics here.

what do you think of my case on LoRab (since I am not planning on voting for you tomorrow anyway with someone who looks so bad)?

LoRab wrote:Why are you patently ignoring my response to you, Scotty, and the question that it contained?

My opinion of you is mostly (if not solely) hinging on Sokoth's and Quin's interactions with you, and even though I didn't see you as bad until yesterday, my race horse blinders are on. You could give me a bunch of money and tell me I've won the mega lottery and I still wouldn't not suspect you.

Linki: well shit. Sokoth prolly got that red check, and LoRab really was good.

Dammit I'm sorry LoRab

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:Well for one thing, my new top suspicions are LoRab and Epi.

Epi is one person who I've been going back and forth on- for one, I agreed with his views on INH. For two, he's actually been the most vocal civ in the last phase, and when everyone started piling on Sokoth, it was pretty clear from an outside perspective that Sokoth was definitely a mislynch. Trust me, I was screaming. INH's voting pattern is pretty shit. But then again, so is Epi's. Why include Sokoth in talks with INH? I think INH looked much more damning, and if LoRab were to be bad, your choice to put the hammer down on Sokoth looks like someone that chose to vote there when a baddie teammate LoRab nervously exclaimed in the chat "Sokoth is onto me, let's take him down". This one is reaching possibly, but that's a scenario I want to look at the next day.

Do you suspect me or am I a civilian?

Whoopsadoodle.

Scotty wrote:INH's voting pattern is pretty shit. But then again, so is Epi's.

Tell me who does have good voting record. I'll wait.

Better yet, I'll go grab the only meaningful data regarding the voting records of living people for you:

Metalmarsh89
3
Quin (7), DFaraday (8), LoRab (10) 23%

That's it. What do you make of it?

What do you think of the case I laid out Epi? Instead of laughing over a potential "slip", Mr. 'My Keyboard must have a mind of its own this game'.

That should read as the most vocally civ. You sound civ, you really do. That was my reservation.

Elohcin wrote:

Scotty wrote:Well for one thing, my new top suspicions are LoRab and Epi.

Epi is one person who I've been going back and forth on- for one, I agreed with his views on INH. For two, he's actually been the most vocal civ in the last phase, and when everyone started piling on Sokoth, it was pretty clear from an outside perspective that Sokoth was definitely a mislynch. Trust me, I was screaming. INH's voting pattern is pretty shit. But then again, so is Epi's. Why include Sokoth in talks with INH? I think INH looked much more damning, and if LoRab were to be bad, your choice to put the hammer down on Sokoth looks like someone that chose to vote there when a baddie teammate LoRab nervously exclaimed in the chat "Sokoth is onto me, let's take him down". This one is reaching possibly, but that's a scenario I want to look at the next day.

This seems like a genuine baddie skip. What say you, scotty?

Why are you patently ignoring my case and piggybacking on Epi's semantics over a word.
What say you over the damn information I've laid out before you? You were just bemoaning you can't figure out the baddies.

Do you really want to find the baddies? Do you?

timmer wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:
I think their votes are better justified than yours. How is "other people did it too" a defense?

I'll be honest - I probably was going to continue to suspect you regardless of how you responded to my case, because the case itself struck me so hard. But your reponses are doing even less to change my opinion than I imagined they would.

How about you compare your blinkered thinking on me with what Scotty just threw down on LoRab? Because that's a great reentry into the game. Your thoughts on me, on the other hand, are completely ignoring the fact that civs make bad calls all of the time. I've followed the cases I thought were best and voted accordingly.

Uhh thanks.

Is this you agreeing with my case? Or just that I painted some pretty clouds in my landscape drawing?

Well for one thing, my new top suspicions are LoRab and Epi.

Epi is one person who I've been going back and forth on- for one, I agreed with his views on INH. For two, he's actually been the most vocal civ in the last phase, and when everyone started piling on Sokoth, it was pretty clear from an outside perspective that Sokoth was definitely a mislynch. Trust me, I was screaming. INH's voting pattern is pretty shit. But then again, so is Epi's. Why include Sokoth in talks with INH? I think INH looked much more damning, and if LoRab were to be bad, your choice to put the hammer down on Sokoth looks like someone that chose to vote there when a baddie teammate LoRab nervously exclaimed in the chat "Sokoth is onto me, let's take him down". This one is reaching possibly, but that's a scenario I want to look at the next day.

BUT

The big elephant in the room is that Sokoth- the role checker- had only one suspicion: LoRab. As soon as he flips, LoRab is quick to shoot that down:

LoRab wrote:Ugh. That was frustrating. An allignment checker who defends mafia and accuses civs. Sigh. Moving on.

insertnamehere wrote:

LoRab wrote:Also, you don't give another explanation for why every name was alpha except for one? How did INH's name end up being the only one not listed in order?

When stuff like this is what people focus on, this is what happens.

I'm not focusing on it--but it's a question that I had and was never answered. It was not my reasoning for suspecting the Klingon, that was based on his behavior, which presented as suspicious. But being wrong about 1 player does not negate noticing small things and breaks in patterns. It also doesn't clear you from suspicion.

He hardly defended Dom. But he definitely made clear that he suspected you. Why you, of all people? The case seemed flimsy because it was. Hell, I didn't believe it either. How could he suspect you for seeming off, and not rabbit (me) or timmer? They were my primary suspects before subbing in. Timmer could still be bad, but I'm more suspicious of the info we have.

The info is there.
Guess who voted LoRab on Day 3 without a seeming reason?
Quin.
Guess what Quin got to do?
Send a role check to Sokoth on anyone that voted for a lynched civ. Guess who did that?
LoRab.

I think Quin was deliberately expressing who he was checking every night. Sokoth got a red check on LoRab, and didn't know how to say it without dumping info in the thread (such is the case with these types of games).

I will be certainly voting for LoRab tomorrow regardless of what she has to say. There's always the off chance that Sokoth is giving a blind sus of someone after getting civ reads but nahhhhh

hey everybody!

Got a lot on my plate today, and entering in a night phase, so I'll try to make the best of it.

Haven't looked at my new role yet
Jk I'm good.

Be back with some reads

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I am keen on lynching INH or SokothQultuq. Speak now or forever hold onto your butts.

the dead can't speak, so I guess I'll hold my butt...

whose hands are those on my butt?!

I may be dead but I still have rights to my own butt thank you!

BigDamnHero wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also (sorry for spamming), note that Matt's role is in fact revealed. For some reason I didn't notice that right away.

Who (if anybody) won yesterday's contest?

The impartial third party in the sky has selected Epignosis, hence why he isn't on today's poll.

...and why is Scotty on the poll???

hahahahahaha I'm back bitches!


Wait, why am I still in dead red